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Posted: 12/30/2005 4:16:27 PM | | I heard that you can bring someone to the alberta hospital and theyll give you 50 bucks for doing it - might be an idea lol | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 4:17:58 PM | | IF THE COPS CAN'T HELP HER WHAT MAKE ANYONE THINK A LAWYER CAN. ALL A LAWYER IS GOING TO DO IS GIVE HER ADVICE AND TELL HER TO GET A RESTRAINING ORDER. THERE IS NOTHING THE COPS OR A LAWYER CAN DO UNTIL SHE HAS BEEN HURT OR HARM. AND THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS B/C I HAS A FRIEND IN THE SAME BOAT AND NOW SHE IS DEAD B/C THERE WAS NOTHING ANYONE COULD DO UNTIL SHE WAS HARM. AND THE REASON IS B/C A THREAT IS NOT A CRIME AND HAVING A LOADED GUN IS NOT A CRIME. SO SHE JUST NEEDS TO GET OUT. HERE ARE SOME QUESTION TO THINK ABOUT 1) DID HE HIT HER? 2) AND IF SHE IS SCARED FOR HER LIFE THEN WHY IS SHE STILL THERE? YES I KNOW IT IS HER HOUSE BUT ASK YOURSELF THIS IF YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE WHO AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAVE FIRST? YOUR FAMILY AND YOU OR ALL YOUR STUFF. YOU CAN GET MORE STUFF BUT YOU ONLY GET ONE LIFE. SORRY TO SAY BUT THAT IS HOW COPS AND LAWYERS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT. UNTIL HE COMMIT A CRIME THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO. THINK ABOUT THIS ALSO IF COPS AND LAWYERS PUT EVERYONE WHO THREATEN SOMEONE OR EVERYONE WHO HAS A LOADED GUN IN JAIL WHO END UP PAYING FOR IT IN THE LONG RUN? WE DO | |
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Rhett1
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Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 53 | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 4:21:22 PM | "Dont do the "self injury " as suggested. The doc will know it wasnt from a punch if its a clean cut from a razor. You dont need to creat false charges againt this guy. That can go against you in later legal wranglings."
Marilynized, that WAS bad advice...this makes HER look bad if it's discovered that she is creating false evidence. It also makes it harder for women who ARE getting smacked around to make people listen.
To the OP, a lot of people have given you good advice. I think I have to agree with Pandy on this one. Go to a lawyer, if nothing else, the lawyer may be able to make the cops take you seriously. If it is possible to hide the gun, or remove it from the house, DO IT!!!
I wish you luck, take care of yourself.
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Posted: 12/30/2005 4:52:05 PM | | Keyser, I almost hate to break it to you, but a person isn't required to wait until they're dead to obtain help. Threats, even implied threats, are not to be tolerated or taken lightly. His actions were threatening in nature. Therefore, she has legal grounds to stand upon. She should contact her attorney and the police. An injunction will be applied. Everything is documented. He is required to leave and break off all contact. If he violates the injunction, she is within her rights to subdue him by any means necessary. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:04:33 PM | | I would honestly say screw getting him out and i would get out myself. Seriously, unless you want to be killed..Alot of domestic murder happens when the abused party tries to leave. I would take that an extreme death threat and if the stupid friggen cops cannot take your side on the matter (it doesnt sound like you own the home) leave. Is your life worth your home??? HOnestly??? | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:05:34 PM | | also in response to kloey, if his name is on the lease or even both of their names then no the pigs cannot kick him out of his own home. That is for sure. I know. so i suggest that she get out. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:06:07 PM | | Move to Australia - its illegal to own guns here | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:09:39 PM | I am an attorney.
Laws vary from state to state of course, but many states now have "stalker" laws. This means that you do NOT have to be harmed before you can convince a judge to take action. This does not mean the police, I have every respect for law enforcement, but they do not always know the law.
A good attorney WILL know all the local resources to help, the names and addresses of shelters, women's advocacy groups, etc. They can also help you set up a plan to deal with the situation. He/she will be able to advise you of the precise laws of your state that pertain to your situation.
They can also file a motion to appear before a judge, and get the 30 day notice requirement lifted if you can convince that you have a reasonable fear for your safety. Many will do this work for you pro bono if you cannot afford it, and your safety is threatened.
A practical question? Do you know if his weapon is legally registered? Having an unregistered or illegally acquired weapon in his possession is reason enough to get law enforcement involved and it might actually result in unrelated jail time for him, effectively giving you time to regroup. If it is possible to do so without putting yourself in danger, get the serial number from the weapon, it can be traced for legitimate ownership. But please take all due caution, if you aren't familiar with weapons, you might discharge it accidentally.
Feel free to email me if I can help in any way.
I'll also add, that to file a false police report, or fake injury in any way would be a very bad idea. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:10:16 PM | Contact the nearest Women's Shelter, and have them hide you out. I'm not too surprised that the cops wouldn't remove this nut from your home! Then, again, I never had any luck with the cops removing my ex from the home. They either refused to come, or threatened to toss me into jail.
This man is dangerous. No kidding! Get as far away from him as you can. He has to leave your house sometime, so when he does, get the lock smith over there to change the locks, and put bars on your windows. Get a vicious huge dog!
Get away and stay away from this dangerous man!  | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:16:56 PM | Hi, Buff! Australia sounds great! 
Jenny, the OP has used certain certain words such as "my" which leads me to believe it is her home or her residence. If it isn't her house, she can get the heck out of Dodge. If it's her house and she refuses to leave it for whatever reason, she can make him leave. I'm a spiteful wench, though. If a man gets brave enough to threaten my life, he needs to be prepared to deal with the consequences of his actions. Said consequences are not going to be to his liking. I'm fairly dern persistent when the situation calls for it. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:22:47 PM | http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=DB_People196
^^^^an online resource and help center for stalking victims in North Carolina (which your profile states you are from, ,OP).
also, from NC civil code:
From NC code on stalking, see number 2.
ยง 14-277.1. Communicating threats. 1973. Amended 1999.
(a) A person is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor if without lawful authority:
(1) He willfully threatens to physically injure the person or that person's child, sibling, spouse, or dependent or willfully threatens to damage the property of another;
(2) The threat is communicated to the other person, orally, in writing, or by any other means;
(3) The threat is made in a manner and under circumstances which would cause a reasonable person to believe that the threat is likely to be carried out; and
(4) The person threatened believes that the threat will be carried out.
(b) A violation of this section is a Class 1 misdemeanor. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:29:40 PM | My sister is a Domestic Violence counselor and I've worked in social services before. The best resource I could find for you is:
www.nccadv.org
North Carolina Coalition Against Violence
Call the toll-free number and get some help. A Domestic Violence advocate can help you with shelter, finding an attorney and in filing a protective order/restraining order. Let the professionals help you; they know the quickest and easiest ways to get you the help you need.
Good luck to you. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:31:57 PM | Hey babe... Ive known you for a long time, and you know better than this! I only read a few reply's... but what I did read was right. Do not wait on the cops. Get out of there! Get a motel room if need be, get an attorney and get this future most wanted A-Hole out of your life.
With everything else you have going on, this is the last pile of shit you need dumped on an already full plate!!! Lose this chump in the quickest of ways. Find friends, local ones, that can come and help you. Hes not going to do anything stupid with you and 8 of your closest friends there... theoretically.
If you need more help... call me Missie!!!!
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:33:29 PM | | u should leave him an move out if u can.good luck | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:40:15 PM | | I f you have any friends that know guns have one of them come over and remove the firing pin or file it down, or remove the gun yourself. You can also buy a trigger lock for it. Filling down the firring pin is a good one ,because it will take him forever to realise what is wrong with his rifle.I would have said he pointed it at me,,,and then record the police saying they can't do anything about it,,,once they see that taperecorder,I bet they will arrest him. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:43:53 PM | Why can't you remove and hide the gun yourself?
Can't you dispose of the ammunition?? | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:47:43 PM | | I do believe legal wise she can get herself in deep trouble by messing with his things, even with the best intent she may have. As de-bene-esse stated, its best to look at the legal options. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 6:11:10 PM | | WEll it may be different there, but i have had no problems first hand removing an unwanted jerk who wasnt on the lease....no thirty days requirement. But then again with this jerk i had problems removing him from my home when his name was on the lease...if the guy has no right to the home he has no right to be there which means they can kick his ass out without a problem. So i do indeed believe he has some rights to the property or else he would not still be there...with rights. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 6:52:38 PM | I think you should follow the legal procedure adopted by the state in which you live and if the law requires the man to receive 30 days notice then you must comply with that requirement.
I have read the NC Code as provided by de-bene-ese and respectfully accept the definition of stalking as also provided by him.
The facts indicate firstly that there was a fight and secondly that the man loaded his gun in your presence and stood there holding the loaded gun before putting it back in the closet.
However, there is a major gap in the facts. And, even if his conduct did constitute a threat and that is not a certainty, you may still be unable to rely on the NC Code if during the fight you had acted or threatened to use immediate deadly force before he acted to obtain and to load his gun.
I would advise you to resist the temptation to undertake any self-help measures and also strongly advise you against getting any family or friends involved in trying to force him to leave the house. And ,finally, I would also advise you to leave the house immediately and to stay with a family member or friend if you cannot afford to stay at a hotel during the notice period.
Good Luck
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Ldygmr
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Joined: 12/19/2005
Msg: 70 | |
| I need help PLEASE
Posted: 12/30/2005 7:43:35 PM | | Remove the arms from the home when he is at work. At the end of the thirty days, call the cops again. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 8:08:21 PM | With all due respect Ldygmr, that sounds like it's setting the stage for a "whad you do with My freakin' gun beat fest". She needs to either remove him from the home with all due haste within legal means, and/or get out herself until the home is secure.
Staying with a potential abuser is playing Russian roulette. I'm hoping that there are no minor children living in this home. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 8:20:16 PM | This guy that she is with sounds like a time bomb and she does need to end and move forward with the least amount of drama and conflicts. Just as he pulled out the gun and loaded it - Im sure he did it with the intent to intimidate her and did some quick thinking by putting it away however if he didnt have that thought cross his mind he might have shot her, than figured out later it wasnt a good idea. Again, is she removes his things without his permission she can get into a lot of trouble for it unless she knows the laws that would protect her from that.
My point about all of this is basically this issue can esculate to the point she wont be able to be in control, she is still in the point of being able to handle what happens and needs to look at all the legal options she has available to her and have a back up plan to go with until all of this gets subsided. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 10:37:03 AM | | Hi...Missie? is it? You've got three pages of forum replys now... What did you do... If you made it out then hopefully you are safe and smart enough to stay gone for as long as it takes to get this situation under control. Find some friends to hang with for awhile and get some GOOD advice from the local sheriff(not a deputy) and also a good local attorney(the one everyone thinks is an SOB but always has more cases than he can handle)... This advice should be specific to your individual situation. There are many variables to consider... The most important, however, is YOUR SAFETY! | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 8:44:56 AM | | If a man scared me with his loaded gun and I knew where he kept it. I would make nice with him, have a few drinks, he would go to sleep and I would solve his attitude problem with no regrets at all. Girls, get tough on the macho bulls**t psycho creeps. | |
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joesch
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Joined: 4/21/2003
Msg: 75 | |
| I need help PLEASE
Posted: 1/2/2006 8:47:20 AM | | Well get the hell out of there go see a attorney and go from there | |
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