| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/10/2006 4:45:37 PM | | I have to agree... life brings it's problems but it falls on us all no matter who we are or should I dare to say who's we are. To me knowing the Lord and having a relationship with him makes life more interesting and easier to handle when things go wrong. However the last thing you will see this guy do is blame those ever day occurrences on J.C. or my father in heaven. Life is better and easier with them at my side. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/10/2006 4:48:52 PM |
However the last thing you will see this guy do is blame those ever day occurrences on J.C. or my father in heaven.
Amen to that buddy. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/11/2006 3:40:17 AM | Hey, my friends, I've been wrapped up in some duties that kept me away from this place for a while. Given the posts that referred to my "burning ears" and "my deadly views of salvation (and) twisted reality..." (I can't even find that last one -- deleted due to it's possible inflammatory effects on my ears? If so, thank God ...I'm a musician and I need my ears!), I assume I've been mercilessly attacked in my absence. Well, you know what they say: "Nobody ever kicks a dead dog." At least, I'm alive even if some do think I'm a dog!
Interestingly, this relates to the latest controversy in this thread. I think that often you'll know you're alive as a Christian when people do start kicking you for it. Thanks to Never and Blueberry for coming to my defence and backing up this point. Jesus said "consider yourselves blessed when you are persecuted for My sake". We're sorry to burst the bubble of all those who want to believe in "easy Christianity" but it doesn't jive with the actual teaching of Jesus. Nor, as Never has so ably pointed out, does it correspond with the actual experience of Jesus Himself. "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" He cried out on the cross as evil men, "fierce dogs of Bashan", jeered at His pain and wagged their heads at Him. That doesn't sound like a man having the time of His life or finding things "easy". Neither should His followers expect an easy road. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/11/2006 3:15:03 PM | I'm sorry but I'm nobodies fool... and I don't get mocked like Art has described herein.
You may be "nobodies fool", as you say. I wasn't saying that Christians are fools -- though some of them undoubtedly are. I was saying that the world often considers them to be fools. You don't have to look any further than these forums to see that. Christians are routinely mocked for their beliefs in what many consider to be "fairy tales" such as the resurrection of Christ. If you believe in that so called fairy tale, you're being mocked here daily. In fact, many of the mockers circle like vultures waiting for a Christian -- or a sincere believer of any religious faith -- that they can pounce on.
In addition, Christians are often mocked, either to their faces or behind their backs, for their views on various moral issues. As a small example, at a company I used to work for, following the advice of St. Paul re doing one's job in a conscientious manner "as unto the Lord", I was frequently ridiculed by those who felt that they were entitled to do as little as they could get away with doing. I was accused of being a "brown-noser" -- even though I never did anything of the kind and, in fact, frequently stood up to the company on issues such as plant safety -- because I felt it my duty to give my employer a fair day's work. It seems that I was making my accusers look bad by actually doing what I was being paid to do while they never missed an opportunity to loaf. This kind of thing doesn't happen only to Christians, of course, but it is an example of the way that people who march to a different drummer than the rest of the world have to pay a price for it. Would it be incorrect to suggest that if one has never been mocked for one's religious beliefs, such beliefs are probably very well hidden?
Just because I love Jesus doesn't mean I have to subscribe to Art's deadly
views of salvation or his twisted reality between him and his maker!!!
OK, I found the post that some said might set my ears on fire. My "deadly views of salvation"? "Twisted reality"? Thanks to Flyguy, Never and Blueberry for pointing out in their usual insightful manners that it's not always a picnic to be a true Christian. Also, thanks to StrangeFiction for her comments re the disciples' question "to where shall we go, Lord?" when the ants, wasps and other pests start making the picnic less than pleasant.
If believing that to be a Christian involves actually obeying the commandments of Jesus -- and DOING something about it as opposed to merely believing in some theory about Him and saying "Lord, Lord..." to Him -- is to hold a "deadly view of salvation", I'll gladly plead guilty to that one.
Don't call me a Christian and band me together with those types please!!!
Huh? Where exactly are you coming from? Interestingly, I myself am often loath to call myself a Christian because I often fall so far short of the standards set by Jesus that I hate to bring disgrace upon His name in the eyes of "the world". | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/11/2006 6:55:06 PM | Apparently a Christian is a guy that can't take criticism from people that don't share his beliefs.
Jesus Christ taught us to turn the other cheek, you or anyone else may so kill the body of a true Christian. Our Service to Christ is as a Servant unto others, if all Christians do not do this basic Christian principle, we are lacking in humility and the Christian way. How many times shall I forgive you, Peter asked Jesus, as an example, Jesus replied 7 times 70 times. A Christian is still a sinner in need of daily repentance and then receives forgivness. But we should be striving for rightousness and perfection, to surpass that of the Pharasees, for if we do not, Jesus tells us that we shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/11/2006 7:03:30 PM | A Christian is many things . One who turns the other cheek, one who forgives all everything, one who does not go back on their word, To not do any of those would be spiritual death.
*****A Christian is still a sinner in need a daily repentance and then receives forgivness. But we should be sriving for rightousness and perfection, to surpass that of the Pharasees, even though we may not abtain it until this fleshly sinful, lustful body is discarded and our new body has been received. *****************************************************************
Thank you for bringing that to the light. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/11/2006 9:35:36 PM | I'm a christian...not good one.Let's say I'm one the Lords problem children.But that is between me and God.I start everyday with a little prayer,"I'm gonna get thru this day with or without You." Am I christian enough?...nope.And after reading this thread it confirms that I don't want to be.Who cares if I get into Heaven by a hair or 48 miles,so long as I get in.And I'm in. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 2:01:09 AM |
Who cares if I get into Heaven by a hair or 48 miles, so long as I get in. And I'm in.
According to who? Perhaps you should check the entry requirements again -- personally -- before you make such assumptions. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 12:16:04 PM | Who's list of entry requirements...yours or His?I hope God appreciates his man art and soul running around doing his job for him...judging who gets in...who doesn't...Last time I checked believing in my heart and confessing with my mouth that Jesus is Lord gets me in."I'm in!"You spend you life being christian enough.My FAITH has made me whole. Marilyn (I'm in  ) | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 12:52:24 PM |
judging who gets in...who doesn't
You are quite right... no one should be assuming that job. But I really don't think anybody was, which was your assumption.
believing in my heart and confessing with my mouth that Jesus is Lord gets me in
Sounds pretty scriptural to me, but that belief is inconsistent with your daily prayer: "I'm gonna get thru this day with or without You." Is God dispensable to you? How would you feel if your child or husband said that to you everyday? Hopefully the pre-nup would be signed and legal ;) | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 1:00:46 PM | | you are assuming...that i was assuming...that he was assuming.... | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 1:36:57 PM |
My boyfriend broke up with me because I'm not Christian enough. Although I was happy to go to church with him and made every effort to learn more and get involved.
Now I find him on this website trying to get women he has never met to have random sex with him.
And I'm the one who isn't Christian enough?!?!? Then what is a Christian?
I think he thinks it's ok to do things like that, because he's a christian and will be forgiven for his sins.
I may not know everything, but I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works.
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. | |
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| A Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 2:13:36 PM | | has pretty good beliefs. I dont believe in everything but generally pretty good teachings. Sometimes religions tend to sexually oppressive... | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:43:38 PM | I hope God appreciates his man art and soul running around doing his job for him...judging who gets in...who doesn't...Last time I checked believing in my heart and confessing with my mouth that Jesus is Lord gets me in."I'm in!"You spend you life being christian enough.My FAITH has made me whole.
It's not up to me to judge who "gets in" -- nor did I. I have my own entry requirements to fulfill. Perhaps one of my duties, given your blithe assumptions that you are "in" regardless of what you actually DO about your faith, is to point out that you seem to have missed some important details along the way. "Believing in your heart" that Jesus is Lord means a lot more than just intellectually accepting some theory about Him. If what you call your "faith" does not involve taking notice of His commandments and trying to observe them, in what meaningful way can you be said to believe in Him as your Lord? As for "confessing with your mouth", don't forget what the Bible says about people who have the name of God on their lips but whose hearts are far from Him -- or the words of Jesus: "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven but rather those who DO the will of my Father..."
In a certain sense, we are all supposed to be God's people "running around doing His job for Him", aren't we? Doesn't God work through people? If you think I'm full of it, fine, pay me no mind. You might, however, want to pay attention to the words of God's man, the apostle James: "You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe -- and shudder. Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren?... For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead." Maybe you should check again. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:59:36 PM | Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin
James 2:
17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
19 You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
I'm a christian...not good one.Let's say I'm one the Lords problem children.But that is between me and God.I start everyday with a little prayer,"I'm gonna get thru this day with or without You." Am I christian enough?...nope.And after reading this thread it confirms that I don't want to be.Who cares if I get into Heaven by a hair or 48 miles,so long as I get in.And I'm in.
spincycle1963, I don't know if you're saved or not, and I'm going to assume you are. That is something only God knows. But what I do know is that a spiteful, willful attitude such as this is a mockery of Christ and all he has done for us. "I'm gonna get thru this day with or without You" sounds more like contempt for God than a willing, serving heart. Please understand, I'm not condemning you, and neither is Art. But it is a Christian's responsibility to reprove our brothers and sisters when we see them openly sinning. You may hate me for it, and that's fine. But it is the most loving thing I can do for you. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 3:14:19 AM | | LOL, Blueberry ... re your response to Spincycle: for two people that disagree rather substantially on some issues, we nevertheless think a lot alike, don't we? Has it occurred to you that we might be the victims of a hoax -- that, in fact, we're responding to someone who's not really coming from a viewpoint at all sympathetic to or in tune with Christianity but who is just mocking a certain type of so called "Christian"? | |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 4:12:00 AM | do do dod do and who does the hoax really entail?
Satan has his couterfit Christians everywhere and I think if he didn`t Christian bashing would be a lost art. no pun intended.  | |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:47:04 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We are not attacking you ART we just don’t agree with your views of what defines a Christian. Don’t take it to heart and keep an open mind maybe you can learn something if that is possible.
I assume I've been mercilessly attacked in my absence.
You should never assume your being attacked… A man with integrity would just simply address the questions he raised from his statements. Do I have to point out that this is a forum where when you leave we continue to talk about your view and we discuss our view, perspective or opinion??? No “one” was deleted from this thread for attacking you so it is very safe assumption (on my part) that you’re safe here! Why would you go on about somebody getting deleted when it never happened.
Art… judge not less you be judged and it seems you do that a lot with your assumptions... you should try using discernment with the aid of the Holy Spirit... but that may only come between cigarette brakes... if it comes at all. Oh and don't you know that smoking affects your singing ability???
Christianity but who is just mocking a certain type of so called "Christian"?
I agree that so-called-Christian’s get mocked!! For example so-called-Christian’s who are hypocritical in nature like the ones who think there walking with the Lord but have to stop to smoke a cigarette every five minutes. Talk about grieving the Holy Spirit... Addiction is spiritual idolatry and those who do that deserve to be mocked.
Jesus came to set the captives free and to give us life more abundantly.
It is written that if you are luke warm God will spit you out of his mouth... (no grace)!
It is true that there are certain refiner fires and growth pains and that we all have to bare a cross from time to time but Jesus came to set the captives free. A real Christian is not under oppression and does not get mocked as Art has described here in. Jesus is coming for a bride without spot and that includes cigarette stains.
Baring the cross and growing pains do not define "What is a Christain?" There for I fined this topic used herin, to discribe Christians... off base.
Honestly how can somebody witness to somebody who is oppressed and needs Jesus by talking all the time about how hard it is to be oppressed as a Christian? That is the wrong perspective. You will never convince me that the unsaved will respond to somebody who says "my oppression is better then yours and you should try it."
I could go on and on but lets just see how Art continues to dig a hole and then I will pull out my sword… “God’s word on the subject of oppressed Christianity”. Hopefully we can spare him from being mocked and difine what a REAL CHRISTIAN is since there seems to be a lot of goats and wolves in sheeps colthing out there.
Art don't get me wrong... this is a debate... a good one. Some times a little tough love is what we need to get us back on track!! I will not condem you but I will stand up to you and point out your errors (sin). I can't love your sin or uneducated statements. I think God has his hand on you and that you could take off with the Lord but you may need another ounce of humility. You have some leadership skills and you would make a very good black sheep and I'm sure God could make good use of your musical gifts. I don't know your situation with the smoking but I'm sure everybody including you have to agree that it's not good for your temple or those around you that have to breath your second hand smoke. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 7:12:36 AM | On second thought!
Baring the cross and growing pains do not define "What is a Christian?" There for I fined this topic used herein, to describe "real Christians"... off base. However it does describe the majority of those who call them selves Christians when you study REV. since there is only a remnant of true believers who God fines worthy. Again I must point out Jesus is returning for a bride without spot... (The remnant).
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Posted: 1/13/2006 8:28:21 AM | | Are you professing that smoking can tar your soul? This is nothing but the propaganda of church establishments. The same man made laws that proclaim those who drink, dance, watch movies, play cards are not a Christian .... rubbish!!!! Do you think that Christ has marked those who do so off his list as being lost? What a small minded Christ, Christians judge him to be! To judge those who will be part of a small remnant of true believers who God finds worthy is unworthy. Jesus will find no bride without a spot upon his arrival ... | |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 8:36:12 AM | R u actually trying to make a point... The truth of the matter is that smoking is deadly. Further more addiction is considered idolatry and GOD condemns these actions.
I'm not professing... I'm stating the truth... something that is far from you!
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/13/2006 8:42:32 AM | Jesus will find no bride without a spot upon his arrival ...
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The bride will be wearing the white robe of His righteousness. Check out the armour;
The helmet of his salvation
Breastplate of His righteousness
Loins girded with truth
Shoes made of the preparation of the gospel of peace,
Shield of faith
And the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God
The sword is the only offensive weapon, the rest are defensive.
So, all the dirty people will have been washed clean in the blood of His accomplishment. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 8:44:38 AM | TDR: Why would you go on about somebody getting deleted when it never happened. Check the numbers after post #95. Somebody did get deleted. I believe that is what Art was referring to. And regarding your response to Art, I would like to point out, that if you have indeed looked at his profile, you've seen that he does not profess to be a Christian in the first place.
Art, yes, I know what you mean! We do have some substantial dissagreements regarding Christian doctrine. But we often do agree in these situations. You have an excellent point about people who claim to be Christian and then behave poorly specifically to make all of Christianity look bad. I can't judge the heart of the poster we were responding to, though, so I will give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she is genuine. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/13/2006 9:14:24 AM |
Art, yes, I know what you mean! We do have some substantial dissagreements regarding Christian doctrine.
I agree with this statement... and then some.
Check the numbers after post #95.
I see that now... thanks for pointing it out... However...
It was not my post so I was confused when ART who was
addressing my post made an asumption about it having
something to do with me and him and my point about how
his ears must have been burning. Just one of the many
asumptions Art has made in this thread so far.
My Question stands: why would art asume it has something
to do with how I disagree with his uneducated opinions.
OP... the best way to make sence of todays Christians is to
study Rev. chapter 3 I will get back to this later when I have
more time. | |
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