| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/26/2006 7:03:33 PM |
I would venture to guess that neither kabiosile or feral spend much time shaking their fists at the sky in defiance of gods that don't cater to their every whim.
Well, maybe Murphy... | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/26/2006 8:16:28 PM | [I would venture to guess that neither kabiosile or feral spend much time shaking their fists at the sky in defiance of gods that don't cater to their every whim.]
MMMMMMMM I have whim right now that will be comming down the pipe line REAL soon as we say in spanish Prepara TE! (get ready!)
Quando yo mando gallo dices cocoroco gallo dice cocoroco!
Ve pa creir! | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/26/2006 9:14:05 PM | | Just don't aim that at me. I already do, dig? | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/27/2006 6:26:59 AM | ----------------"Just don't aim that at me. I already do, dig?"------------------
hehehe
Feral that was aimed at Lafortuna...
Theres's an old saying, "sometimes when you go digging for worms you might find a snake."
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/27/2006 9:52:54 PM | | My bad. At least I said it in Spanish. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/27/2006 10:12:13 PM | You folks sure are making it harder for me to follow...  | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/28/2006 2:24:19 AM | ---------"Deseo acariciar su gallo. "------------
como yo dijo.... It's comming down the pipeline LOL
*tease feral* and he thought it was aimed at him LOL
I only aim that at the ladies :P | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/28/2006 2:48:04 AM | | Who says I thought that? I was just trying to keep it from degenerating further. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/28/2006 10:48:01 AM | | Sorry Feral. You know how us women are, always wanting to pluck fruit from the forbidden trees and stuff. The Devil made me do it. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 2/28/2006 10:57:33 AM | --------------"Who says I thought that? I was just trying to keep it from degenerating further. "---------------
Why would you want to do that feral? you dont even have an ounce of voyeur in ya? LOL
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/6/2006 5:36:32 AM | It is part of human nature to want to label and pigeon hole things.
To me a witch is somebody who identifies with being a witch. Though not the same witch as a witch of earlier times, as the nature of things is change. There is no heirarchy in witchcraft and no law, except the law of nature.
Others who identify as witches may disagree. I have heard many of them say 'Do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law, yet harm none'. But not everything is black and white (except a guinness!). Sometimes it might be necessary to harm one to help another or even the whole group. It is a worthy cause to aspire to, but has no connection to witchcraft, other than the fact that many witches aspire to it, and that it was first said by a one who considered himself to be a witch.
If there were heirarchy over all witches, and that heirarchy became corrupt, the whole of witchcraft would become corrupt. Therefore, it is better that witchcraft remain an anarchical religeon which encompasses a great variety of beliefs and practices, without dogma, definition or leadership. There are many shades of grey in witchcraft, just as there are in nature. Nobody is completely good, and nobody is completely evil. Nobody goes to heaven, nobody goes to hell.
There are witches all over the world, but one group of witches I particularly admire as examples of what witches are, the Witch Doctors of Africa. Healing is another skill that many witches aspire to. Especially through natural or supernatural methods. There is so much to learn in the craft, far too much for one single lifetime. And too little space to mention everything that being a witch means to me. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/6/2006 8:46:09 AM |
Therefore, it is better that witchcraft remain an anarchical religeon which encompasses a great variety of beliefs and practices, without dogma, definition or leadership. There are many shades of grey in witchcraft, just as there are in nature. Nobody is completely good, and nobody is completely evil. Nobody goes to heaven, nobody goes to hell.
Wonderfully said!  | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/6/2006 3:34:33 PM |
Wonderfully said!
I don't think I can agree enough. Well done.  | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/6/2006 11:27:10 PM | Spirit Guide
It is because the many varieties of Witchcraft, the no single Hierachy could ever hope to even try to control them from within the system
For example most adherents to Celtic Witchcraft, would avoid Voodun, although they are both classed as Witchcraft
The number of very different 'Beliefs' that can be called Witchcraft is its biggest protection against ever having any real Hierachy
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/8/2006 11:09:34 AM |
For example most adherents to Celtic Witchcraft, would avoid Voodun, although they are both classed as Witchcraft
Keep in mind that "All Wiccans are Pagan but not all Pagans are Wiccan".
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/8/2006 10:04:56 PM |
"All Wiccans are Pagan but not all Pagans are Wiccan".
I have to agree to disagree with that comment. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/8/2006 10:25:01 PM | ---------------"For example most adherents to Celtic Witchcraft, would avoid Voodun, although they are both classed as Witchcraft"---------------------
HEHE would have to disagree with you here met a few people into both. It's not all that big of a jump really. They hold more things in common than different really. Most tribal practices while not the same have WAY more simularities than differences. This is very interesting to me that the same themes stretch beyond distance, languages, cultures, and political lines. In a time when the world was a much bigger place. It is important to find where you belong and study/train/practice to become what it is you are destined to become in that said tradition. At the same time I don't believe its a good idea to close the "book" and not aknowledge the things that lie outside of your said culture. This is what leads to misunderstanding, intolerance, hate, a our way is the only way mentality. As a race (human) we have suffered enough of this. Not saying you were trying to go there but, just trying to point out that this may be the cause of our problems...
Why would these people choose to avoid voodun? why also would the voodun practicioners choose to avoid celtic practice? In fact they don't they often use a kardecian form of spiritism in some groups which is derived from a frenchman who is said to have channeled spirits comming from druidic tradtions teaching him how to communicate with the dead (ancestors) voodun is an amalgamation of many religions actually. a combination of catholic, fon, yoruba, bantu, and european traditions. It was made so that the haitians could worship together even though they often came from different places with distinct cultures. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/9/2006 2:10:26 AM | Kabiosile
I agree that there are many similarities
But there are also huge differences between Guinea Coast Voodun and the more gentle forms of Celtic Witchcraft
In Haiti and the Dominican Republic many of the Old Gods were transposed with Christian Saints to avoid persecution
When you get into Beliefs such as Baron Samedi/Necromancy, most Celtic Witches would start to draw a line there
Where they would welcome someone like Erzuli and possibly Coatrichy [Please forgive my spelling as I am guessing at that]
Even the most important Vodun Rite in Haiti was the Bose Kayeman 1790? which included the sacrifice of a pig but led to the revolution
Blood is something fairly commonly used in Voodun
Whereas to the more gentle side of Celtic Witchcraft it is not encouraged
In saying that I am not suggesting for one moment that All Celtic witchcraft is Blood Free
Most Celtic Witches following the Basic Belief of no bloodshed would not be attracted to Voodun, whereas Voodun Practioners could easily adopt many Celtic Practices
It was just an example of how the many types of Witchcraft are aligned in many ways, yet cannot ever be controlled because their guidlines are actually so different
The Aboriginee Tribes often use Blood Sacrifice and would combine with Voodun fairly easily
But most followers of 'Wicca' would not
In saying this I am not denigrating or lauding either Belief
What works for one individual may not work for another
I totally agree that we should investigate at every opportunity to find what works best for us as individuals
The End Result is what counts
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/9/2006 3:03:14 AM | Tammi,
What part of that statement don't you agree with? | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/24/2006 5:19:11 PM | "Witches are regular people like everybody else, we laugh, we cry, we feel pain and pleasure just like any other human being. What sets us apart is that we understand that we are all connected, derived from the same Source*, and that we must be responsible for our own actions."
May I ask the op to elaborate on the "Source*".... if you would kindly define, if you will the nature of this Entity.
If it is the same Entity that I asked favours from and often received as a farmer, rain for my crops, a dry spell to make hay in, then it must be God. Doesn't this sort of disqualify what you practise from being actual witchcraft where the object is to summon Evil to do evil. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/24/2006 7:25:37 PM |
May I ask the op to elaborate on the "Source*".... if you would kindly define, if you will the nature of this Entity.
If it is the same Entity that I asked favours from and often received as a farmer, rain for my crops, a dry spell to make hay in, then it must be God. Doesn't this sort of disqualify what you practise from being actual witchcraft where the object is to summon Evil to do evil.
So, in effect, what you're saying is that, without actually knowing the true meaning of the term "witchcraft," and believing it to be evil, you've been practicing it, anyway? Good on ya!
If a person robs another
person he deserves justice(punishment) right? A person
who robs is a robber, one who lies is a liar, one who
hates is a hater.
The question is, what do we call someone who hijacks a thread? | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/25/2006 4:29:38 AM |
May I ask the op to elaborate on the "Source*".... if you would kindly define, if you will the nature of this Entity.
If it is the same Entity that I asked favours from and often received as a farmer, rain for my crops, a dry spell to make hay in, then it must be God. Doesn't this sort of disqualify what you practise from being actual witchcraft where the object is to summon Evil to do evil.
I am not sure you actually understood the original post. Witchcraft in itself is not evil, except by Biblical definition. Are you sure you weren't praying to one of my Gods or Goddess'?
Feral,
I think someone edited their post, or I missed this posting.
If a person robs another person he deserves justice(punishment) right? A person who robs is a robber, one who lies is a liar, one who hates is a hater. The question is, what do we call someone who hijacks a thread? | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 3/26/2006 9:52:31 AM | ----------------May I ask the op to elaborate on the "Source*".... if you would kindly define, if you will the nature of this Entity.
If it is the same Entity that I asked favours from and often received as a farmer, rain for my crops, a dry spell to make hay in, then it must be God. Doesn't this sort of disqualify what you practise from being actual witchcraft where the object is to summon Evil to do evil."-----------------
when I read this my first reaction was to laugh. Then, after I thought about it for a minute I stopped laughing. One of two things is happening here. Either you didnt read any of the previous posts explaining this stuff. Or you are looking at this from a perspective that anything other than my belief is automatically evil. I stopped laughing because this is SAD.
Let me rant a little so that you may understand some things about this subject. Just because someone practices something that falls under the classification of witchcraft does not mean they worship evil entities. In fact some forms of witches worship nothing at all. Futhermore, Just because a person "uses" an entity that may be considered or classified as evil does not mean that they are using it for evil ends. One can work with malevolent spirits to do good seen it done many times. What will determine the "good" or "evil" classification of a person is not their beliefs or what they choose to work with. It is their character and very nature of the person. Something that cannot be judged so easily. Just like you cannot blame a gun or bombs for killing people. It is the people who use them for good or bad (if you must think dualistically.) It is very possible for a very powerful witch to use what you consider the most evil of evil etities to heal someone or stop a war or to crush their enemies without them becoming evil in the process. They learn how to deal with such things in a certain way so that they are "dogs" they work for them not the other way around. As long as the said person does not become a slave to such things (which is possible with everything in life) the use of good or evil is not important to the results. To many, good and evil are part of the same thing GOD! for those who think dualistically good and evil become seperate this is where the confussion is comming from inside your belief system nhot from the witches themselves. You may never understand how people can do these things and not be evil. Because you are stuck thinking that evil is outside of god. for many, God is everything the good the bad and the ugly.
hope this helps although, it will probably only serve to confuse you more.. | |
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