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| What is a witch?
Posted: 5/14/2006 6:13:07 PM | | also.......the Rom(gypsies) were killed too....besides; how would anyone who was a witch..or christian back then?? you don't....witches didn't exactly brag about it. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2006 6:50:46 PM | I think maybe people are getting side tracked, this really isn't about ancient times, it is about now.
As with all things, words change meanings. If you read the original post it is about what Pagans are trying to achieve in the here and now with an attempt to relate to Earth Based religons. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 8:22:36 AM | I prety much agrea with the OT. It makes no alusions to witches folowing particular paths or doing specific things or even dating back thousands of years. It simply sais that witches are people who worship a power greater than themselves and often see dualities and triplicates in this power. (ie, god/goddess, maiden/mother/crone, ect)
However I do disagrea with parts of the OT. Worship of the earth mother is not universal amongst witches, now is lunar observance, in fact it is quiet rare. Most witches observe the solar cycle rather than the lunar cycle. (beltain and such are solar dates).
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I do believe though, that the Gods and Goddess of old are probably relieved that we are finally remembering them no matter what handle we put on it.
I feel the same way. I don't think the universe cares how we show our love and respect, be it through goddess worship, pan worship, belife in jesus or mohamed (PBAH), so long as we show our respect.
I am of Scottish decent, so would love for you to post more as all my Grandparents, both from my mother and fathers side were born in Scotland. I would really like to know more about what and who were actually worshiped during ancient times.
To be honest, I don't know much about how they worshiped either. the chances are, that if your family left scotland within the last 400 years, they would be protestant, before that up to 1600 years ago, they would most likely have been catholic.
It was only before 600AD that anyone from scotland would have been anything other that, christian or athiest. there were a few people who worshiped other dieties, but these were generaly unique paths, and were most comonly just derivations of the catholic traditions.
Most non-christian, Witches and Heathens, were actualy sub sects of the Catholic traditions such as the Cathars. They praciced Pagan traditions in a Catholic way, mixing the old nordic traditions with the new Christian ones. substituting gods for saints and goddess for deamons or angels, this can be seen in the very name of Britain. From Bride, or Bridget, to St. Bridget, to St. Britania.
Before scotland was christianised, it was largely nordic in its traditions, which is why christmas was moved to yuletime and such likes. The Druids that cesar spoke of are almost identical to the Nordic Shamans. But even the nordic traditions were a newcomer to our isles in terms of religion. The religion of the anchient people of scotland is almost unknown and very little understood because they had no form of language that we know of and left behind scant remains, making interpretation of them very dificult.
We do know that water was hugely important to them, all of thier settlments, thier burials, thier ritual sites and thier roads are on or beside water. They made vast deposits of extreamly valuable resources in lakes and streams, and made human sacrifeces in bogs and wells. It is even posible that they built the late henge monuments to look like ripples on a pond.
There also seems to be a slight association with animal fetishes as well. Millions of eagles claws have been found at one site, millions of dear atler at another, millions bears tooth at another, millions of bears claws at another, ect ect. Sugwesting that the people of those areas identified themselves with a particular totem animal.
Other than that, there is not much we can realy say about the anchients. Thier language is completely dead and forgoten, all of our modern toungue comes from other sources and our writen language dates back to only about 1 AD at the most. (not including the writings of visiting romans like Cesar.) | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 11:02:19 AM | tenaka that is new for me!
i have never heard that the our Inquisition burned people because of "political disadvantage".
are you sure??? i think that only witches were burned at the stake,you know witches,do you not??? | |
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Joined: 10/26/2005
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 5/15/2006 12:53:10 PM |
There also seems to be a slight association with animal fetishes as well. Millions of eagles claws have been found at one site, millions of dear atler at another, millions bears tooth at another, millions of bears claws at another, ect ect. Sugwesting that the people of those areas identified themselves with a particular totem animal.
Personally, if I were to come across "millions" of animal remains I would think it more of a cleaning area for hunts not a worship site. Where did you get this inforamtion from?
As well, a keen interest in decorative stones was left behind by the ancient Scots. There is some information online about the later Pictish royalty.
This is a really interesting thread. If I had time today I'd fetch that info for you however, I'm in the middle of packing (heading to Gaia Gathering tonight). | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 1:06:47 PM | Good point Bright,
I did go out and research just a little bit. No where near what kind of studying you have done. But did find a lot to back up what you are saying.
I do believe though, that the Gods and Goddess of old are probably relieved that we are finally remembering them no matter what handle we put on it.
I am of Scottish decent, so would love for you to post more as all my Grandparents, both from my mother and fathers side were born in Scotland. I would really like to know more about what and who were actually worshiped during ancient times.
Thank you so much for your input.
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The ancient Celts/Britons and druids worship a whole host og gods/godesses.
But you may want to start here:
Cernunos (sp): The horned god, the god of the hunt
Bridgid (sp): The was a celtic goddess but was hijacked by the Roman catholic chutch
as a "Saint Bridget",,, maybe there was an actual Bridget.
Cuchulain: a celtic demigod hero (kinda sorta ended up like Hercules..a tragic hero)
he was Irish though.
Bythe way, there is quite a bit of jewish and middle eastern thread in the Irish Scottish History. Per Laurenece Gardner, according to the Irish stories, Jeremiah and a princess Tamar fled Israel and the proncess wed a High King of Ireland, and the Stone of Destiny. usd to crown Jewish kings wound up in Ireland and then in Scotland.
Note also a Scythian Egyptian descendant of Easu (he of the Jacob and Esau sibling)
was named Scota, who was said to wed to a Scots Gaels king and may have been the person who Scotland may have been named after.
Please, do not just read Laurence Gardners books only, read other material to cross reference and verify the data. You will have a much more full and rich database to review..
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Posted: 5/15/2006 1:11:45 PM |
The Spanish Inquisition, however, properly begins with the reign of Ferdinand the Catholic and Isabella. The Catholic faith was then endangered by pseudo converts from Judaism (Marranos) and Mohammedanism (Moriscos).
Inquisition:
By this term is usually meant a special ecclesiastical institutional for combating or suppressing heresy. Its characteristic mark seems to be the bestowal on special judges of judicial powers in matters of faith, and this by supreme ecclesiastical authority, not temporal or for individual cases, but as a universal and permanent office. Moderns experience difficulty in understanding this institution, because they have, to no small extent, lost sight of two facts.
On the one hand they have ceased to grasp religious belief as something objective, as the gift of God, and therefore outside the realm of free private judgment; on the other they no longer see in the Church a society perfect and sovereign, based substantially on a pure and authentic Revelation, whose first most important duty must naturally be to retain unsullied this original deposit of faith. Before the religious revolution of the sixteenth century these views were still common to all Christians; that orthodoxy should be maintained at any cost seemed self-evident.
However, while the positive suppression of heresy by ecclesiastical and civil authority in Christian society is as old as the Church, the Inquisition as a distinct ecclesiastical tribunal is of much later origin. Historically it is a phase in the growth of ecclesiastical legislation, whose distinctive traits can be fully understood only by a careful study of the conditions amid which it grew up. Our subject may, therefore, be conveniently treated as follows:
Sources: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm
Heresy differs from apostasy. The apostate a fide abandons wholly the faith of Christ either by embracing Judaism, Islamism, Paganism, or simply by falling into naturalism and complete neglect of religion; the heretic always retains faith in Christ.
Source: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
This is what I've been able to find so far, however I will continue my research and post my findings. So far it would appear that the Spanish Inquisition was geared more towards converting those of the Jewish and Muslim faiths to Catholic and Protastant(sp?), or more specifically finding those that supposedly 'converted' from those faiths but were actually continuing to practice their old beliefs.
Aye I know what I consider to be a witch, however I don't doubt that my deffinition is different than yours.
And I wish to thank you Realpedro for giving me an interesting subject to research. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2006 5:03:22 PM | tenaka_khan and REalpedro,
You guys maybe want to start your own thread and quit hi-jacking mine?
This really isn't about the inquistion!!
Thanks guys | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 10:24:02 AM | The Spanish Inquisition, however, properly begins with the reign of Ferdinand the Catholic and Isabella. The Catholic faith was then endangered by pseudo converts from Judaism (Marranos) and Mohammedanism (Moriscos).
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Can we refrain calling the Jews the name of Marranos (pigs/filthy ones)?
In my book, it is the A-rabs who arethe pigs, especially after what happened in 9/11.
Also of the continued plots the A-rabs have, (see Steve Lance's web site).
If one wanted to find out about the old Celt gods, there are books at BORDERS that
have an encyclopeadia of those deities. They will be listed together as Scot, Welsh and Irish gods...those people are all one and the same. The English are Germanic Anglo-Saxon invaders who made themselves at home while disturbing and making ill the Britons and the Celts that were already there.
Then you have the Scandinavians who came over.
There seems to be a freindly attitude between the Scots and the Vikings.
The Jarl of Trondheim also got to be the Earl of Orkney.
The St. Claires (now Sinclair) were Normans that always provided the Scottish kings support.
If anyone ever goes to Scotland, check Rosslyn Chapel. It has all kinds of symbolism.
It was never really a church (maybe a Temple of some sort) and the Kirks had desecrated the place, much to the Sinclair's dismay. Pagan/celtic artwork...images of the Green Man. Being a Freemason, (yes, the Sinclairs are Freemasons too) I definately want to gaze in awe of the stonework.
There is a riddle or a proverb, written in stone: Wine is strong, the King is stronger, Women appear to be stronger yet, but the TRUTH is strongest over all...This is in latin I beleive.
From what i have been reading, this place, Rosslyn chapel, holds so many secrets.
The Sinclairs themselves have been trying to harmlessly try to either lightly excavate
or probe into the deeper chambers. Hmmm, I wonder if the Templars hid the Ark of the Covenant here.
Heck I would love to tour Ireland and Scotland out the ancient sites (check out the Templar graves).
Hey, do you all know that Chartres cathedral in France stands over an ancient pagan holy site. To this day, there is no king, holy person or Cardinal buried there. It is said there is a grotto there, and that is why the place is called by the pagans, the Womb of the Earth. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 11:49:13 AM | Sorry MysticRogue but Rosslyn chapel has no secret chambers nor was it built by templars, nor was it ussed as anything but a chapel. It was built in 1446 by Sir William St Clair, third Earl of Orkney and Lord of Rosslyn, abd whislt there are chambers under the chapel, they have been explored but not fully excavated for fear of colapsing the chapel above.
Personally, if I were to come across "millions" of animal remains I would think it more of a cleaning area for hunts not a worship site. Where did you get this inforamtion from?
Sorry, squeezing lots of information into a tiny spce is very dificult to do. I should have made it clearer that the collection often contained ONLY one type of sceltal remain, such as the index claw of a white sea-eagle, in vast quanitieis. (Thousands was a spur of the moment exageration i'm sorry to say.)
I got my information from Dr Vicci Cummins and Dr Richard Peterson of University central lancashire, but here are a few intresting links that might help you and give you some valuble information to aid your future research.
General info on the Tomb of the Eagles in Orkney.
http://www.tomboftheeagles.co.uk/
http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/isbister/index.html
http://www.stonepages.com/scotland/isbister.html
More indepth information on the Bronze age ritual beharior of scotlands past.
http://archaeology.about.com/od/mummies/a/parkerpearson.htm
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/BA/ba64/news.shtml
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/001749.html
http://www.scotlandspast.org/bronze.cfm
There are numerous books on the subject as well that are well worth looking into.
Neolithic and Bronze Age Scotland (Historic Scotland S.)
P.J. Ashmore
B.T. Batsford Ltd
Scotland in Ancient Europe: The Neolithic and Early Bronze Age of Scotland in Their European Context
Ian A.G. Shepherd (Editor), Gordon J Barclay (Editor)
Society of Antiquaries of Scotland
Ancient Shetland (Historic Scotland S.)
Val Turner
B.T. Batsford Ltd
Look up information on Bronze Age Scotland, Iron Age Scotland, Crannogs, Cairns, Brochs and Wheelhouses and you shoud gain a great deal of insite into our pre-christian ancestors.
Sadly everything other than archaeological evidence is either romantic idealising, or simply poorly informed. We know nothing of our bronze age ancestors beliefs because there was no form of recording in britain until Christianity came along in the late Iron Age, by which time our bronze age ancestors had been replaced by later emerging cultures such as the Caledonians (originaly a Germanic tribe), the Silures (originaly Iberian settlers), and the Britannia (originaly a Gaulish tribe). So it is from these places that our known religious pagan roots come from, whilst the true native roots of our pre-invasion ancestor remain unexplored and unkown to us all. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 3:01:55 PM | Gerald Gardner "founded" Wicca as we know it today back in the 50's so it's a fairly new belief system (I'm referring to the rituals we are familiar with today). The belief in the God and Goddess, honoring the changing seasons, etc, are old as time itself. No one knows the "authentic" ways that a witch worshipped or practiced because no official writings exist describing rituals as we know them today. Witches were encouraged to memorize everything, or use "codes" written in a recipe book or family Bible (I DON'T want to hear from all the Christians saying I'm being blasphemous about using the Bible as a spellbook, so save all the hot air, as I am a former Baptist-turned-Witch myself). So, we're pretty much just guessing at the rituals. If you read the multitude of Witchcraft/Wicca books on the market, they all say something along the lines of, "here's a sample ritual but feel free to make up your own." I consider myself a Witch even though I don't do the rituals on a regular basis. Blessed Be! | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 4:43:55 AM | You can get pretty close in trying to reconstruct ritual if you look at the Recon groups.
I know that for many Recon groups the word "witch" isn't something they use and try to distance themselves from it.
I know that with Baltic Recons (I am one) the preferred word is "senmeldis" which means "old believer"...the word for witch is "ragana" and she tended to be someone who lived in the wilderness and was outside of society/the community.
I don't consider myself a witch, as the connotation is someone who does magic. I don't do magic, I follow the practices (to the best of my abilities) of the pre-Christian Balts which includes ritual, beliefs and reverences. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 6:48:28 AM | Sorry MysticRogue but Rosslyn chapel has no secret chambers nor was it built by templars, nor was it ussed as anything but a chapel. It was built in 1446 by Sir William St Clair, third Earl of Orkney and Lord of Rosslyn, abd whislt there are chambers under the chapel, they have been explored but not fully excavated for fear of colapsing the chapel above.
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Bright1Raziel,
You are VERY correct.
That was a detail I left out in haste.
You are also right about the excavation(s).
I read somewhere that they did use some kind of "sonar"
and detected a large metal object. No one knows what is underneath.
I guess what ever is under will remain under for all time.
I heard back in the 50' or 60's that the chapel was under going some cleaining and
poor cleaning agents were used. Sharp edeges got smoothed out and fine details got
a washed out look. Then some plastic coating was used that is somewhat porous.
In all I heard is what a disaster with ghastly affects on the temple's stone work.
Still, I would love to gaze at the chapel. I heard the stain glass used in the French Cathedrals and maybe in this temple had ingredients that were awesome.
Bright rich colors that stand the test of time, so I read and heard. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 7:00:13 AM | Besdes A.E. Waite, S.L. M. Mathers, any one here read Cicero's work on the Golden Dawn or Israel Regardie. I found Aleister Crowley to much a mind player to be of any use.
To do any pagan work, one has to meet persons from an OLD and LONG line of pagan practitioners. I heard Ms. Pagaini ( an Italian witch) who is a guest on Coast to Coast has her own web site. For those that may want to explore that avenue that is a start.
To do this kind of work, seeking out those individuals is almost like a task in itself.
Not all have a web site like Ms. Paglini. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 11:45:40 AM |
To do any pagan work, one has to meet persons from an OLD and LONG line of pagan practitioners.
And this is your educated opinion as someone who lists themselves as a Catholic in their profile? | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 12:18:18 PM | To do any pagan work, one has to meet persons from an OLD and LONG line of pagan practitioners.
And this is your educated opinion as someone who lists themselves as a Catholic in their profile?
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Being born catholic does not mean i have to be a quiet obedient sheep.
That is a family I was born into in this incarnation.
I am a free thinking/critical thinking person who has a very open mind.
I have friends who are witches, wiccans, pagans, druid wannabess,
and toss in a devil worshiper (yeah, really, no lie).
I was born curious and I want to explore ALL of what life has to offer.
By the way, Moses was raised as an Egyptian prince and was taught the
Black Magic of Egypt before he became a servant of God.
Jesus of Nazareth very likely grew up in Heliopolis, Egypt (City of On to the Egyptians, Annu to the Hrebrews), and he very likely was taught healing by the Therapeutates (aka Great White Brotherhood/ Brotherhood of the Serpents?), the mystic arts by the MAGI (hmm we get the word magic from them), and the Kabala, the mystic arts from the Jews.
Please do not say I am a closed minded catholic.
I even question some of the tenets of the Roman Catholic church (RC).
Small wonder I have not been branded a heretic, excommunicated and possibly burnt at the stake. Ever read the horrible history of the RC church? MAkes you want to change the denomination.
Being a freemason has me listed by Benedict XV1 as someone living in the state of sin and not allowed to take communion.. see what a silly crock of sh!t that is.
The RC church should not see Masons as bad guys...our rules say worship God (the Supreme being) any way you like: as a Christian, Moslem, Jew, Hindu, Zorostrian, Native Indian.
We have charity fund raisers, all I see is the RC church take, and take, AND take.
Closing inner city scools and abondoning those kids while it opens scools in affluent neighborhoods. That is why I call Cardinal Adam Maida the name Cardinal Midas.
Actually the RC's competition is Islam and the protestant denominations.
Freemasonry is all about discovery, finding truth, finding what everything is all about.
This is following the path of the Scottish bretheren forebearers (excellent alchemist tradition)
and founders of England's Royal Society (the precursor was called the Invisible College during the Cromwell years..read and find out why).
I really follow a spritual path. The RC faith is what I was born into.
As a young kid I was basically its biggest cheerleader.
As I grew older became better informed, I really started getting very angry at the horrors the RC perpetuated on humanity... Note also that RC was not fond of scientist and scientific discovery.
I have a mindset more akin to a much well informed person. I can have healthy discources with scholars... among them historian/anthropologist/archaeologist and some mathematicians and scientists.
I really hate to have to explain myself, this post is not about me.
This is about those who want to follow the 'magical path'
If I want to dabble in this path...it should also be my birth right.
After all, was it not a Roman Catholic pope who wrote the most blatantly black magic grimoire: Pope Honorious III (the book is called THE SWORN BOOK OF HONORIUS) .
Beleive it or not Excorcists are modern day magicians.
After all an excorcist is he/she who summons and banishes spirits.
I Just may have a library that potentially may dwarf yours. HMMM!!
My acqaintences, discourses, exposure to the esoteric have me exposed to a LOT more than most people.
I really hate to give you an "eyeful" but you woke a hornets nest!
So there!!
Instead of questioning me...if you are interested in this path....
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Posted: 5/17/2006 1:45:23 PM | I Just may have a library that potentially may dwarf yours. HMMM!!
How typically male -- "Mine's bigger than yours is!"
Well, some folks prefer quality over quantity, and know that it's not the size but how you use it that counts.
So there!!
Oooh, that just oozes maturity and wisdom.
Being born into a Catholic family does not mean one has to stay that way. Take King Henry the Eighth as a prime example.
Perhaps you can reply to this in a way which demonstrates your ability to "have healthy discources(sic) with scholars..." | |
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Posted: 5/18/2006 3:48:46 AM | I Just may have a library that potentially may dwarf yours. HMMM!!
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How typically male -- "Mine's bigger than yours is!"
Well, some folks prefer quality over quantity, and know that it's not the size but how you use it that counts.
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So there!!
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Oooh, that just oozes maturity and wisdom.
Being born into a Catholic family does not mean one has to stay that way. Take King Henry the Eighth as a prime example.
Perhaps you can reply to this in a way which demonstrates your ability to "have healthy discources(sic) with scholars..."
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Name the title and I may have the book....
Agreed, I do beleive in QUALITY and I do single out certain authors
for their clarity and great knowledge content.
Yes, I have Gardner's book sitting next to Mathers, Crowley, Kraig,
Konstantinos, Israel Regardie.....
It is a drag to change religions for changes sake.
I prefer to just go to the church and pray a one on one with GOD. Spiritual path?
If I disgree with the church I keep those comments to myself.
By the way, I like the magicians philosophy: Be Silent, have the will to do, and just do it!
I like the SILENT part. I like to be low key and fly below every ones radar.
Does the word(s) blend in or INCOGNITO mean anything to you.
I generally share this info with like minded people.
And I do not like to attract attention...not too many people know that I read up on the esoteric arts. Am I secretive? Yes and No.
Yes, because people are closed minded and also the Church greatly frowns on people following the magical path...still today it is persecution but minus the "FLAMES".
No, I have frinds who successfully dabble in the occult but are very responsible with it.
I have a friend that used to do excorcisms, as in kick the demons out of a person, but not anymore. Excorscism is a very draining practice only the strong and the brave should and can do.
So I have my feet planted in two worlds, the scientific and mystical realm.
I am an engineer by profession.
But I have always had the curiousity of what the ancients & moderns were up to:
From the Egyptians to Moses to the Kabalists to the Druids to the Wiccans
to modern day practicioners.
Even today, the US government has a military-occult complex: Project Stargate
The use of remote viewing.
The UK's MI6 used Aliester Crowley, but did not get much out of his services.
So far I have an erudite knowldege of things.
Sometime down the road I would like to do the the practice.
Magic is really about the force of will and envisioning.
The rest is just details. Does one really need Cernunos or Isis?
Those are things one dredges up from their psyche to make things happen.
Perhaps an aid or a tool. No one really knows till they do it.
But I prefer to be on the caution side.
Just do the CRAFT just like the predessors.
Do not cut corners. Cutting corners almost got an author killed.
She tried summing ArchAngel Raphael but wound up summoning the darker side,
the angel of death.
You sounded like you came across as combative.
So what if I am catholic, I am inquisitive by nature.
I would rather honor the ancients by following and respecting their footsteps.
I am at home talking to a christian as I am with a shaman.
By the way, wearing robes do not a witch make.
The knowledge is all contained in your head. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2006 6:00:31 AM | You sounded like you came across as combative.
Simply trying to understand how a Catholic feels he has the right to tell any pagan what they "have" to do before they can practice their faith. (Please refer to original quoted comment in post 365.)
I do find it intriguing that you go on about the number of books you have and then state
The knowledge is all contained in your head.
Then again you also say:
I like the SILENT part. I like to be low key and fly below every ones radar.
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And I do not like to attract attention...
and yet you are inevitably one of the most vocal posters in these threads.
Just trying to sort out the dichotomy.
By the way, wearing robes do not a witch make.
Nor does reading a book by Crowley, Gardner, or Regardie. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2006 7:26:08 AM | I'm a guppy! There! I've said it!
Discuss.
(hopefully this will veer the conversation towards something more productive and pleasant) | |
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Posted: 5/18/2006 9:21:13 AM | Then again you also say:
I like the SILENT part. I like to be low key and fly below every ones radar.
and
And I do not like to attract attention...
and yet you are inevitably one of the most vocal posters in these threads.
Just trying to sort out the dichotomy.
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Ever notice I use an icon and never share my photo.
I enjoy anonymity. If you ran into a magician, he will agree on the same.
I enjoy contributing. I enjoy intellectual discourse.
And I have MANY interests, the occult is one of them.
Now, if you have questions, or want to question some one, ask the right party.
I am NOT qualified to lead any magician. I can only SUGGEST.
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I'm a guppy! There! I've said it!
Discuss.
(hopefully this will veer the conversation towards
something more productive and pleasant)
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I agree with you maryte!
I thought I was being helpful in thise discourse of threads.
I never claimed I am an expert, only well informed.
My approach was to contribute and be objective.
I will admit, I am not even in the Novice stage YET.
There will come a time when Yes, I will start the practice.
I hate being told: YOU are Catholic, what do you know of Magic.
For one, what you are born into, should not dictate your path.
For two, magic is in EVERYONE. Every one has the gift and it can be tapped.
(ie. Army men beuing used for their remote-viewing/clairavoyance--Operation Stargate)
(ie. there are Western authors that embrace the shamanic or magical path
and they are Jewish, catholic, etc......).
Again, let us return to the intention of this thread. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2006 11:45:33 AM |
I hate being told: YOU are Catholic, what do you know of Magic.
Did it cross your mind that perhaps pagans hate being told (by someone not even of their faith):
To do any pagan work, one has to meet persons from an OLD and LONG line of pagan practitioners.
It's nice that you have now realized you are not qualified to lead, though.
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I'm a guppy! There! I've said it!
Carefully keeping my kitties away from Maryte!
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Posted: 5/18/2006 12:34:08 PM | What is a witch? hmm...i think a better question would be, what is NOT a witch. i think that question may clear up a few misconceptions about the Pagan, and more specific, Wiccan religion(s).
A Witch is not:
always a Woman (and male Witches are not called Warlocks, nor Wizards)
always a practitioner of Black Magicks (An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will)
a hermit, nor a recluse (most of the time)
a servant of satan
someone who rides on a broom at night
an old person
someone with ratty old hair and a wart on her nose
a mean spirit
now, a witch is many things. but not all witches are all things, so I can say another better question is, what can a witch be?
a Witch can be:
a healer
a lover
someone very close to you
your brother
your sister
your mother
a teacher
a co-worker
a witch can be many things. Witches are people too, and there are more around you than you know.
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Posted: 5/18/2006 12:55:22 PM | I hate being told: YOU are Catholic, what do you know of Magic.
Did it cross your mind that perhaps pagans hate being told (by someone not even of their faith):
To do any pagan work, one has to meet persons from an OLD and LONG line of pagan practitioners.
It's nice that you have now realized you are not qualified to lead, though.
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I'm a guppy! There! I've said it!
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OH MY GOD!
What an immature pain in the @ss you are.
You must never ever have read my previous posts.
It seems like you only high-light what you want and just name call.
I never claimed to be a pagan or practiced their ways.
I just happen to have a broad swath of interests and absorb info
like a black hole. I just like to observe and learn.
Ok, so part of my heritage is Native Indian (pagan Chichimec ancestors?),
at least I have an idea what their language sounds like and what the
words mean (a book on Nahuatl provided to me by an Aztec/Mexica person).
Though I would like to get more volumes and attend a lecture(s) on the lanuguage.
And so I know something of their ancient deities:
Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, Coatlique, Tezcatlipoca...etc.
Though I am not familiar with the Indian practices...I just have recently
acquired a book that has a few of their ancient rites.
And I am familiar with some of their myths, etc....
Pretty bloody baggage if you ask me.
And of the pagan belief. I AGREE with Raziel.
Especially those of the celts and druids, those are long gone and dead religions.
You almost have to be an archaeologist/anthropologist/linguist
to even break the code of the long dead language barriers.
If you can read RUNES in their OLD form than share.
The Roman empire and then the Roman Church has pretty much wiped
out any traces of the OLD ways. Blame your ancestors for that.
It would be nice if there was a "Rosetta Stone" of the Druid/Celt and
ancient Norse languages.
There are some people who claim a legacy of the old ways.
And like Raziel suggests, they are most likely a mishmash of Regurgitated christian (Cathar) or Greaco-Egyptian Western Rituals. More likely MODERN rituals.
If there are people who claim a pagan heritage, find out.
Todays pagans would be the Native Aborigines of the Americas, Australia and
the Asians.
You come across as a pretentious know it all. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 5/18/2006 2:10:45 PM | Will you two please take your bickering private?
This is NOT the place for it. | |
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