| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 5:27:27 PM | Can witches heal through laying on of hands? Just wondering....
was discussing Rikki (sp) today and found that it is actually not touching but really hovering. I have attempted in my past to transfer my health to someone who had pain by touching, but never thought to hover. Somehow that just doesn't sound like it would be as affective. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 5:31:00 PM | Rikki healing can be very effective, and there are a lot of distance Rikki healers that can actually help over the phone.
How successful were you with laying on of hands? | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 5:41:47 PM | Pretty much works, though I don't ever get rave standing reviews - ah, the unglamour of being me. I'm a hot lady. I just attempt to pass on thoughts through my hands and push in the heat and good vibes. Sort of from the gut. Hold in one spot until I quit thinking about it. Sorry for the lame description.
funny thing is that I don't discuss it. Just do it. The only couple I have done it to never asked what I was doing other than just rubbing message. When I get home from my trip, the bf is getting lots of heat; he just had a knee operation. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 5:50:19 PM | Reiki can work fairly well
Yes it is possible to do it over long distances
Lots of schools teaching it in most places
Usually actual Reiki involves no=zero physical contact
The combination of Reiki with massage often gives the best results
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 5:54:30 PM | | Ashley I am really glad to see you exploring your gifts, I think you are one of the truly blessed people and need to continue to explore what you have and educate yourself. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 5:58:44 PM | Pretty much works, though I don't ever get rave standing reviews - ah, the unglamour of being me. I'm a hot lady. I just attempt to pass on thoughts through my hands and push in the heat and good vibes. Sort of from the gut. Hold in one spot until I quit thinking about it. Sorry for the lame description.
funny thing is that I don't discuss it. Just do it. The only couple I have done it to never asked what I was doing other than just rubbing message. When I get home from my trip, the bf is getting lots of heat; he just had a knee operation.
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 6:11:12 PM | SFL: awww, now my face is getting hot. Not used to such attentions. Good vibes going your way, sweetie; and to hero son. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 8:56:56 PM |
Please dont confuse evil for good.
While I don't agree with the original statement that "Satanists are Christians," I believe the emphasis was on them potentially being "believers" in Christianity to accept the Christian devil. Luciferians and some Diabolists are like this, true, but not all Satanists subscribe to the Christian cosmology. As for "evil" and "good" and any confusion caused, I think it all tends to depend on one's starting point for the particular value of these concepts.
Can witches heal through laying on of hands? Just wondering....
Reiki is some interesting stuff. Mostly the "hovering" is to attempt to consciously regulate bioelectromagnetic fields, and it's the whole "mixing of chi" kind of thing. Interesting, but I've never really gotten into it, myself. Not a specifically "witchy" thing, but I've known a lot of witches that were fairly good at it.
Didn't know it worked at a distance, but I can see it. Interesting, maybe I will have to study up on the particulars... | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/14/2006 11:50:18 PM | Feral I was interested in what you ment in that post about shango.. Plz explain. TY :) | |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 6:06:44 AM | Hi all, just came accross some very interesting forums, but this one really struck a tune....
Reikki is a form a natural healing and is not only by the touch of a person but the touch of one's soul. A Reikki Master or practitioner must be attuned before beginning a session, otherwise the effect would not be the same or as effective. Same as for healing touch and other methods of Holistic Healing.
As for the 'witch' thing, people in general are scared of so called "witches". They don't realize there are many of us that are witches, but are not aware of it.... Only thru reflection and searching from within we can find out. I tend to beleive it is more of a gift than being thought... Basically, either you are or you're not! It doesn't mean that if you're a witch, you possesse a cauldron, a staff and a wand with potion books!!!!
It is more of an intuition than anything... Long live the witches!!!! | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/15/2006 6:42:53 AM | Feral I was interested in what you ment in that post about shango.. Plz explain.
Sorry, forgot to get to that. Shango (Chango - sp~?) = Orisha in Santeria. I assumed there would be a counterpart in Palo or Candomble, although I'll admit I haven't yet done the research. At any rate, I was wondering if anyone has developed any crossover between the dance styles used to worship in some of the rituals and Capoeira. It just seems (from an anthropological view - probably also because I see syncretic effects everywhere) that the two would eventually converge in some fashion. And I considered Shango (or a counterpart) to be the most likely candidate. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/15/2006 7:21:32 AM | Definition of witch:
NOUN
1 a female sorceror or magician
2 a being (usually) female imagined to have special powers derived from the devil
3 an ugly evil looking old woman
VERB
1 cast a spell over someone or something: put a hex on someone or something | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/15/2006 8:44:32 AM | ^^
But you see
Sometimes words change their meanings
Here we have gone a lot deeper than what is seen in some dictionaries
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/15/2006 8:47:41 AM | Then why not call it something else.
Does it mean the original, still?
The concept of witch is well... | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/15/2006 2:14:48 PM | -----------------"Sorry, forgot to get to that. Shango (Chango - sp~?) = Orisha in Santeria. I assumed there would be a counterpart in Palo or Candomble, although I'll admit I haven't yet done the research. At any rate, I was wondering if anyone has developed any crossover between the dance styles used to worship in some of the rituals and Capoeira. It just seems (from an anthropological view - probably also because I see syncretic effects everywhere) that the two would eventually converge in some fashion. And I considered Shango (or a counterpart) to be the most likely candidate. "-----------------------Quote from feral
Ok Feral..............
Chango 'Cuban spelling' (also spelled shango in nigeria and Xango in brazil) None of these spellings are wrong! originally yoruba is a phonetic unwritten language. The english colonized nigeria for a short time and made a written version yet, many of the african decendants that were taken into slavery had made their own versions based on their new languages adopted from the slave days. (spanish or portuguese) So we have 3 very distinct forms of spelling the same language. Again I say they are all right as long as we understand what the other is saying. I have met people who sit and argue over the spelling of it and I think it is rediculous.
To go deeper into your question......
The word Candomble (what many african religions in Brazil are called) comes from the bantu people. The word is interchangable for bantu (angola), yoruba(nago), and even sometimes dahomey (jeje)practices. Refered to in Brazil as nago, bantu, and jeje. (there are also other tribes religious practices sometimes less frequently refered to as candomble.) So the word is used generally to refer to the actual religion but, also can be a noun for the place in which it is practiced. The place usually is called a terreiro but, one might say I am going to the candomble. (this is what I am refering to.) Since we are talking about brazil right now I will answer two questions at once. Candomble of the yoruba nation (nago) has Xango just like all other forms of orixa worship throughout the world. (that I know of.) The part you speak about capoeira is slightly trickier answer(surprise surprise) Capoeira is not a religious activity persay... There are elements of religion that have shaped it there are rituals there are rules there is a scaredness there are magics/sorceries that are involved but, it remains as a secular activity in the eyes of the majority of practictioners. (One brings the power that one has into the capoeira IE If you are a christian you will invoke jesus to protect you before you go into the roda. If you are a priest or son of xango you would maybe wear his amulet and ask for his protection still yet, if you are a witch you may make a symbol on the floor asking the spirits of the dead to look over you etc.) It is OPEN to all belief systems and even to those who believe in nothing yet, at the same time to call capoeira completely devoid of philosophy and religion would be an error too. It definately has its own very UNIQUE philosophy which has its base in many african religions as well as some from christianity and yes even islam (from the hausa people)
In the old days Capoeira was the protector of the Candomble. It would be practiced on the floor of the terreiros and when the police would come to raid the african temples due to the religous persecusion and opression going on. the capoeiristas would take on the cops. (there are many such stories in the circles of capoeira where the people of this art would take on the cops and win against whole squads of them. At that time many if not all forms of african expression were illegal including the capoeira so, cops and capoeiristas were battling it out with razors and clubs. This changed in the 1930s when the first "Schools" of capoeira officially recognized by the government opened. This is after the change of government for those that know brazilian history. (they had a military dictatorship with fascist connections that for a time was imprisoning artists, and once again oppressing the african people and being VERY fascist like in general.) Lets remember that Brazil was the largest slave owning country in the new world. (There are more african people in Brazil than any other country in the world exept Nigeria!) One must go there to get a "feel" for what I am talking about you will see the african presence in Brazil is seen in almost every thing esp in the north east where the largest concentration of people are. (bahia)
As far as for the other part of your question... Palo etc.
Yes the bantu have something like chango,shango,xango but, the bantu dont have orisha they have nkisi. Nkisi is a bit different than orisha but, instead of getting into this I will tell you what he is called because it would take too long to explain. In palo chango is called Siete Rayos (spanish) or Nsasi (ki-kongo) there are other names for him as well among the "Branches" of palo. In the dahomey religion (arara) there exists a diety known as ebioso (Aslo chango) All of these religions have in africa as well as in the new world simularities. (just like the orishas are very simular to the ancient greek and roman gods as well as the countless other pagan gods that exist.) Man always has devinities of virility, war, love etc. in what ever faith and culture. Even christianity does this with the saints and the trinity. (christianity is not mono theistic really) This is for another thread though so I shall stop.
Hope this helps alittle.... | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/15/2006 3:55:24 PM | Fiction,
Because the definition is derived from a Christian stand point, and Pagans are busy reclaiming that which was taken away from them.
Did you read the Original Post? and see what it means to be a witch? Or for that matter, did you read the rest of the posts that have gone into great detail on definitions of different names that are used in more Earth Based religions?
The word Pagan in itself use to mean country dweller, untill Christians put a negative spin on the word, so again it is not coming back to the close to the original meaning.
In some of the forms of Paganism there are 3 aspects of the Goddess:
The Maiden or the Virgin,
The Mother: among her names by which she is called are the Great Mother and Mother Nature which signifies her worshippers believe her to be the Mother, creator and life-giver to all of nature and to every thing within.
The Crone. Representing death, or the ending of a cycle, just as Earth goes through cycles.
Yet now looking up the word Crone this is what you get:
Noun 1. crone - an ugly evil-looking old woman
beldam, beldame, hag, witch
old woman - a woman who is old
With a lovely picture of a nasty looking witch riding a broom.
So I am sure you can see where through a constant tainting of the word Pagan, and Witch people have come to think of it as something totally different then what it truly is.
If you lived in a country that thought the word Christian meant Infidel dog, would you change what you called yourself?
So the Earth Based religions are making a great push towards educating people. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/15/2006 7:36:47 PM | Thanks, Kabiosile. I really am going to have to read that book. You could also email me with any others you think would be good reference material.
Fiction and SFL, the use and interpretation of words (especially in English) tend to be rather subjective at times, and many words change their meanings in different subcultures. The thing with the dictionary definitions of the words we use in the many branches of Paganism is that Webster (or whoever's doing the recording) tends only to use the most general mainstream concepts as applicable to culture at large. Thus, you wind up with definitions for "witch" and "crone" that fit in a general sense, but don't take into account specific definitions of smaller portions of the culture. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 4:47:00 AM | Feral,
I agree with you completely, my response was more directed to Fiction asking why we didn't just call witches something else.
I went out and looked up the word Gay, now I am old enough to remember it being included in songs even studied some while in school..."My Fair Lady" there is a line in one song that says " I feel, pretty and witty and gay" now we all know she wan't refering to being a homosexual, yet that is what the word means now.
When you look up the definition for it, the top definition is about homosexuality, yet I bet if someone had an old dictionary that wouldnt' even be part of it. I know I have used the word GAY before as an example, but it is one of the really outstanding words that has changed it's meaning. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/16/2006 6:42:37 AM |
Luciferians and some Diabolists are like this, true, but not all Satanists subscribe to the Christian cosmology.
Just thought I would give you a heads up Feral, that not all Luciferians and Diabloists are Bible haters either, some are Torah haters and some Koran haters. I gues it may even be posible for some to be Celtic, what with Lugh Fhada (pronounced Loo Sha-fa) being god of light and the Star of the Morning (sun). As he was not asociated with Satan untill the 5th century it would be posible for them to belive that in Lucifer as the prebiblical asociation (and it is only an asociation as he is not actualy mentioned in the bible). | |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 7:01:23 AM | | Just as a side comment , Star of the morning,, twig twig..I never had the books to check this out and seemed so weird from a Christian perspective, Over the mercy seat was two cherubin...star of morning....lucifer was..was covering cherub...never could figger that out., maybe someone has more information ?? | |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 7:53:37 AM | | My mother actually practices Reiki, both inwardly and outwardly on my brother, myself, and even our animals. Then though, the cat is supposed to have its own form of Reiki. Actually I believe it does, as my little guy always purs on my chest when I am sad. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/16/2006 9:31:18 AM | ah... yes ... words do change their meanings and will change again as the bling-bling gets its place in our new dictionaries. Still.... for sake of ease and clarity ... it is best to literarily use the common definitions of words for a base ... and only expand if truely necessary.
I take it you feel its is so necessary that you now need a paragraph or two to describe a simple word like ... witch ... which to my thinking is excessive and complicates the issue instead of clarifying it.
I do believe simple explanations are better than compound complex solutions that need equasions and experts to think you have the picture correct. We all are simple humans trying to get along with eachother and the natural forces of this universe.
I do believe though as soon as you bring Satan into the picture you have conceptually entered the realm of Judiasm and Christianity and Muslim beliefs which all actually come out of Judiasm from out of the Sumarian civilization of Abraham.
Pagens, Wicca, Druids, the old shamans of Europe are so not understood because of the centuries of opression and destruction of artifacts and word of mouth passing on of information that is oh so distorting. [It has been proven over and over that word of mouth distorts information and fact into nicely embellished stories and misunderstandings of the original so live with it]
White witches and Black witches are just racism disguised in a good and evil form of vernacular. east west north south makes more sense like in the Wizard of Oz.
The Universe is dimensional so witches should reflect this in their opposing positions, well at least in my semi scientific approach to it anyway that doesn't matter either.
Best of luck with your revival of something that is vertually unknown and has since been developed out of various fantasies and fiction and dreams and desires of people in need of comfort in this sometime seemingly cruel and heartless world.
If Witches could come up with a simple understandable catch phrase like I did noticed the Christians had; then maybe they would be able to expand their influence a bit easier.
Until then.... Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
and remember the Christians coined it first. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/16/2006 9:31:36 AM | ah... yes ... words do change their meanings and will change again as the bling-bling gets its place in our new dictionaries. Still.... for sake of ease and clarity ... it is best to literarily use the common definitions of words for a base ... and only expand if truely necessary.
I take it you feel its is so necessary that you now need a paragraph or two to describe a simple word like ... witch ... which to my thinking is excessive and complicates the issue instead of clarifying it.
I do believe simple explanations are better than compound complex solutions that need equasions and experts to think you have the picture correct. We all are simple humans trying to get along with eachother and the natural forces of this universe.
I do believe though as soon as you bring Satan into the picture you have conceptually entered the realm of Judiasm and Christianity and Muslim beliefs which all actually come out of Judiasm from out of the Sumarian civilization of Abraham.
Pagens, Wicca, Druids, the old shamans of Europe are so not understood because of the centuries of opression and destruction of artifacts and word of mouth passing on of information that is oh so distorting. [It has been proven over and over that word of mouth distorts information and fact into nicely embellished stories and misunderstandings of the original so live with it]
White witches and Black witches are just racism disguised in a good and evil form of vernacular. east west north south makes more sense like in the Wizard of Oz.
The Universe is dimensional so witches should reflect this in their opposing positions, well at least in my semi scientific approach to it anyway that doesn't matter either.
Best of luck with your revival of something that is vertually unknown and has since been developed out of various fantasies and fiction and dreams and desires of people in need of comfort in this sometime seemingly cruel and heartless world.
If Witches could come up with a simple understandable catch phrase like I did noticed the Christians had; then maybe they would be able to expand their influence a bit easier.
Until then.... Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
and remember the Christians coined it first.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 12:49:18 PM | --------------------"[It has been proven over and over that word of mouth distorts information and fact into nicely embellished stories and misunderstandings of the original so live with it]"-------------------------
Interesting thought I highly disagree with you but, I can see how this may be true with some traditions. In the african traditions I have noticed that this is one of the main reasons their culture survived the persecusion and destructive desires of the christian oppressors. IE books can be burned but it is not cost effective to kill (purge) all of your slaves where the knowledge is really kept (in their heads) Also, passing things on by word of mouth also limits who gets the real information and who gets the shit for the "tourists" as it is called now a days. Many of the nice embelishments and misunderstandings may often come from purposeful misinformation. Not saying this is a fool proof method but, it is actually much less susepitable to change let me show you how.
Say you made a book and kept it sacred and secret so that it dont fall into the wrong hands you died and now the only holder of this holy truth is the book. Now say a few generations later a group of priests of this holy book decide to take out portions they dont see as fitting. (just like was done with the bible) Through the 4 translations it goes through it takes on a whole different meaning and the old "Holy" text that said that to lend money and expect interest is a sin now reads to lend money without expecting interest is a sin. Got it? Where in a word of mouth tradtion (Father passing a sacred story to his son) Will often tell it just the way his father did if it is truely sacred. Now if you are talking about non-sacred word of mouth I agree 100% people will always change these stories and embelish etc. However in the realm of the sacred I think people are not as quick to change the stories for simple enjoyment factors. There exist among the yoruba people of cuba brazil and nigeria the same stories (patakis) They survived not through the aid of books but, the passing of this ancient wisdom from father to son godfather to godchild god mother to godchild etc. This knowledge is far more ancient than any of the desert religions whom all used books to get their message across. My question for you is how many of them still read as they origanally did? How many of them in their translation are being correctly read? (esp the bible king james version LOL loaded with its false information and mistranslations.) I learned of this from some christian scholars and some jewish scholars as well. No method is fool proof but, those who want to see the end of oral traditions are often afriad of the people holding the power they wish to see your mind controled by their books (and their version of the book of course). (my opinion of course)
Much of the rest of your post I agree with. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/16/2006 5:40:46 PM |
I take it you feel its is so necessary that you now need a paragraph or two to describe a simple word like ... witch ... which to my thinking is excessive and complicates the issue instead of clarifying it.
I do believe simple explanations are better than compound complex solutions that need equasions and experts to think you have the picture correct. We all are simple humans trying to get along with eachother and the natural forces of this universe.
On some things I am sure you are right, but obviously since the discussion has gone on for 8 pages, with more and more clarifications thrown in, apparently my paragraph wasnt' enough. | |
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