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Posted: 3/17/2009 6:51:46 AM | Finally, this is what I've been waiting for....
"however my opinion is my opinion.if you dont like it too bad"
There is such a misconception regarding opinion and the nature of what you believe. 99% of what you're barfing out on forums isn't opinion, it's misinformation. There have been like a million examples of your ignorance getting in the way of truth and yet you still keep pounding out the nonsense hiding behind the "it's my opionion" banner. You're more than welcome to have opinions on aesthetics and well thought out philosophical points, but when you say stuff like, we don't need a military today because in 1812 when we weren't even a single country yet we didn't need a military and so therefore 200 years later, when the world is so completely different, we still don't need one, is in fact completely out of touch with reality. If you don't get that we'd all be speaking German without heroic militaries and huge, unimaginable sacrifices, you've missed a massive chunk of history. Then calling these veterans morons with machine guns is actually kind of evil. The reason we haven't ever had to worry about invasion is because we live next to the greatest army in history and any foreign invasion would be unthinkable.
"hmm do you respect the deaths of the greeks? how bout the soldiers of napoleons army? or the huns etc"
No one is even remotely talking about historical armies and invaders. Gawd, we're talking about our citizens in our military which is so comepletely different than Atilla's hoards. To say that Napoleon was evil and war mongering therefore our military is too, is kind of a stretch.
You know what the sad thing is...Trubble is actually, fundamentally correct. If no country in the world had a taste for war and blood and violence and greed, we'd all be much better off. It's just that this valid opinion is totally and completely out of touch with any reality.
"armies arent created to walk old ladies across the street. wake up to reality"
I think maybe to illustrate the other side of your "opinion", you're going to have to wear a bag over your head for a while. Don't worry, we'll cut some eye holes for you and let you take it off only when you're in the company of your wife who you were forced to marry and who owns you (god how scary is that). Unfortunately, if you take the bag off in public, we're all going to whip the sh't out of you, throw acid in your face and maybe stone you to death. Fair enough? | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 7:42:06 AM | hmm omg well heck why dont we just enlist the entire country, then wed all be in the military . apprently your the onlyinformed person around ,maybe i should just wait for you to tell me everything i need to know
a standing army in a time of peace. is a burden and a waste of resources, even i ww2 ost of the military got conscriptedout of the farmers fields, they werent pre trained for 20 yrs prior , they got handed a gun and shipped out to war.
now adays , they train to kill for years prior to any actual warsure this makes them better killing machines, however, the people they are set against are usually poor nations and these nations are using weapons the other nation just sold them in order to create a problem
you and others like to use ww2 as your basis , always saying craplike " oh wedall be speaking german and stuff.
If you don't get that we'd all be speaking German without heroic militaries and huge, unimaginable sacrifices, you've missed a massive chunk of history. Then calling these veterans morons with machine guns is actually kind of evil. The reason we haven't ever had to worry about invasion is because we live next to the greatest army in history and any foreign invasion would be unthinkable.
No one is even remotely talking about historical armies and invaders. Gawd, we're talking about our citizens in our military which is so comepletely different than Atilla's hoards. To say that Napoleon was evil and war mongering therefore our military is too, is kind of a stretch.
hmm ok so we can only go as far back in history as you and the other war preachers choose to allow us ,ok i get it.
attillas army felt they were justified and acting good as well, thats the funny thing about armies tho, they all believe what theyve been brainwashed to believe
The reason we haven't ever had to worry about invasion is because we live next to the greatest army in history and any foreign invasion would be unthinkable.
oh yes of courselol
we live next to the only nation that started out as TERRORISTS . this great army actually supportedand aided hitler for many yrs during ww2 , but lets forget the past tho , this army was led by guys that think the middle east is where" jesus will be returning to and he wont wanna see all that fighting over ther so lets clean up the arabs"
oh yes , these wars are valid and justifiable
these arepeople that use a gas attack that killed 3000? to justify planting over a million innocent iraquis in the ground.
sorry war is war,modern soldiers only difference,is that at least the old soldiers fought and plundered and brought riches back
these ones go off, murder all the civilians let the bad guys go free so that they can build a bigger force next time and therefore they create job security.
the only actual point we are going to get here by arguing,is that you promote war , and i dont
i dont like war, i dont like to hear about it and i will never support the efforts they go to to justify killing for money.
so ,im not insulting guys that choose to go join the war machine, however dont expect me anytime soon to be throwing confetti in the streets as they parade down it
cause to be honest i really could care less about the drama | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:29:01 AM | more recently than 1812....
On June 20, 1942, the Japanese submarine I-26, under the command of Yokota Minoru, fired 25-30 rounds of 5.5" shells at the Estevan Point lighthouse on Vancouver Island in British Columbia, but failed to hit its target. This marked the first enemy shelling of Canadian soil since the War of 1812. Though no casualties were reported, the subsequent decision to turn off the lights of outer stations was disastrous for shipping activity.
In November, the German U-518 sank two iron ore freighters and damaged another off Bell Island in Conception Bay, Newfoundland, en route to the Gaspé Peninsula where, despite an attack by a Royal Canadian Air Force aircraft, it successfully landed a spy, Werner von Janowski, at New Carlisle, Quebec on November 9, 1942.
Although not crippling to the Canadian war effort, given the country's rail network to the east coast ports, but possibly more destructive to the morale of the Canadian public, was the Battle of the St. Lawrence, when U-boats began to attack domestic coastal shipping along Canada's east coast in the St. Lawrence River and Gulf of St. Lawrence from spring 1942 through to the end of the shipping season in late fall 1944.
Three significant attacks took place in 1942 when German U-boats attacked four iron ore carriers serving the DOSCO iron mine at Wabana on Bell Island in Newfoundland's Conception Bay. The ships S.S. Saganaga and the S.S. Lord Strathcona were sunk by U-513 on September 5, 1942, while the S.S. Rosecastle and P.L.M 27 were sunk by U-518 on November 2 with the loss of 69 lives. However, one of the most dramatic incidents of the attack occurred after the sinkings when the submarine fired a torpedo that missed its target, the 3000 ton collier Anna T, and struck the DOSCO loading pier and exploded. As a result of the torpedo missing its target, Bell Island became the only location in North America to be subject to direct attack by German forces during World War II. On October 14, 1942, the Newfoundland Railway ferry SS Caribou was torpedoed by the German U-boat U-69 and sunk in the Cabot Strait south of Port aux Basques. Caribou was carrying 45 crew and 206 civilian and military passengers. 137 lost their lives, many of them Newfoundlanders.
yes, i can google.
On a lighter note, as Canadians, we have been subjected to visual bombardment from south of the border on many occasions. The Facts of Life, an American sitcom that originally ran on the NBC television network from August 24, 1979 to September 13, 1988, was forced upon us by a nation clearly intent on our destuction.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 10:37:51 AM | ^^ Yeah, but didn't you like that little Tootie? lol
War is, unfortunately, a terrible "fact of life." Yes, it's awful, evil....as many other things in the world are awful and evil. I'm not nearly intelligent enough to go into all the complexities of it but I'm smart enough to know that it IS complex. To call war "violence" is incredibly simplistic. Because people join the military and people respect them for what they do, does not mean they or we "glorify" war or are proponents of violence.
Oh yeah, as Jennafur says....Military - good. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 11:27:07 AM | well the topic of this thread is "Is there a thing out there against military people in general.?'"
so since i voiced my opinion,and you all jumped to insult and attack my point
the answer to the question is still yes, because by their participation and cooperation they keep the wars continuing. one day it has to stop.however, if people keep thinking with closed minds that we as humans must continue to wipe each other out, and we blindly accept war as a necessary evil, then we truly are going to be doomed to continue along that path.
(i would like one of them religious people to point out in what koran or bible these truths are made self evident tho, or when jesus told his followers to continue to kill in his name, or an evolutonist to explain how war is an evolutionary achievement. if we are evolving, then how does it benefit the species to eradicate itself?)
you are either part of the problem or part of the solution, if everyone thinks wars are unnecessary and decided to put an end to it, it could be over just that easily
however, the more people that believe its natural and necessary, the longer the mindset will continue
i suppose i could have just agreed and gone along with he rest of the crowd but, i dont lie to myself and i dont lie to anyone else just to be popular.
this thread isnt about defending them or their criminal behaviour,it isnt for glorifying the realities of war or the actual things these people do out there fully armed
the question wasnt how much do you love them , it wasnt do you worship the ground they walk on. the title was pretty specific
justifying your adoration for them isnt part of the topic
the question wasnt directed at any generation or age of military ,it wasnt specific to a year or military force
im sure most people would cringe and hide if some armored barbarians with 4 ft broadswords came crashing into their homes in the middle of the night, grabbed the women and children, raped them and took them as slaves and then murdered all the men over the age of 8.
how has warfare changed? men still break into the homes of civilians, rape the women and shoot the men. they still steal the belongings of the butchered.
usually tho the modern soldier shoots from quite a few feet away , they dont get the blood and gore on themselves. they use missiles that are a modern alternative to suicide bombers.(then the hypocrites cry foul because poor people have to actually strap bombs to themselves in order to retalliate)
you can dress them up in pretty outfits. portray them as family men.women, as your brothers and sisters etc all you want, by the time they come back after participating and being witness to all the attrocities and disgusting things that go on in the process of the massacres, they arent the same anymore, you can try to counsel them all you want to , they arent ever going to be able to forget or blend back into their old lives.
war by its nature is a glorification and an orgy of blood and violence. it doesnt matter if you say your just going there to peacekeep.
i guess if you dont mind your family members coming home from some war all drugged up and mentally wacked out and you dont mind watching him/her in mental anguish for the rest of his/her days . then i guess your a stp up on the restof us
funny how peace only starts after the so called peacekeepers leave
then the lives and daily routines of the people can return to normal | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 11:48:32 AM | Voila! A little thought goes a long way. People were upset because you called wwII vets morons with guns and because you think that our soldiers are too stupid and lazy to do anything else but murder innocent people over seas 'cause it's fun. You can't expect that sort of thing to put you in the good graces of anybody but ex-Nazis living in Argentina, skin heads and Yoko Ono. And if you read your thread carefully, it's still full of contradictions. Like...
"men still break into the homes of civilians, rape the women and shoot the men. they still steal the belongings of the butchered."
That's part of the reason we go to war these days. But whatever. What it comes down to is if we both have guns pointed at each other's head, you're going to have to put your's down first because I am never going to trust another human being to do the right thing, nor should you. Hence the varied and wonderful fifty thousand year history of war.
I'd love it if you could drop the tuff guy..."I say what I want" attitude like all those sh'tty teenagers on Maury Povich that end up in boot camp for bratty sunzab'tches and get to the point. No one's going to bash you for your last couple postings.
Thanks Lime! I had no idea we'd been f'cked with like that before. Spooky. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 12:33:00 PM | ****comes into thread, sniffs around, smells too much testosterone - and leaves****
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Posted: 3/17/2009 2:08:25 PM |
with the way you type.one would think you got off your butt and actually did something to secure those rights. you know who got us any rights.it was the war protestors. the people that stood up against their governments and demanded to end the war. if it wasnt for these brave people this world would be in a constant state of war due to the clowns continuously signing up to go kill abroadin the name of death ,not peace
Yes i did serve, so i did more than you did for those rights.... Can you say the same?
Yeah...keep telling yourself that, there wasnt much protestation during WW1 and WW2.... and they FAR from stop the war. You want to know what stop wars? Enough blood shed or a weapon so powerful it make the other side give in.
Protesters stoping wars? beside Vietnam there really isnt many wars that were stop by protesting nice try, come again. Yeah ok, you really are delusional and believe what you write do you?
If you cant respect them for what they did, respect them in their deaths
hmm do you respect the deaths of the greeks? how bout the soldiers of napoleons army? or the huns etc
Your point was adressed by WTF and frankly your logic there is simply pathetic.
as far as the russians invading us. gimme a break what a ridiculous comment to make.
No more ridiculous then yours above regarding the Huns.....at least mine was funny!
The BS mantra? Why is it not necessary?
hmmwhy isnt it necessary? well because its a lame attempt to make someone feel like they owe someone something, when you cant actually argue something,thats the resort the weak minded use
Because we DO owe them, you just dont want to argue that point. Matter of fact you cant. It's the simple truth. Calling them gun totting morons is pretty weak minded and very insulting.... So keettle meet pot!
its actually funny, your whole attack was made of insults directed ,not at my comment but at me
Show some respect for the folks who died for this country, for democracy in the past, present and future and maybe i will show respect to you.
peace cannot be bought with blood .who's the moron?
your thinking is obtuse and brutish.
Funny you say peace canot be bought with blood? I've got at least 2000 years of recorded human history that proves me right.... You may think and YES you are RIGHT that it's a shame we need blood to buy peace but until we evolve as species....this is the price we have to pay. What you think and what the reality is, are two different things. Maybe you shouldnt be so obtuse?
Knowing your logic you're gona say we have no business spending Canadian dollars in foreign countries and that we should let other countries deal with their own problem
foreign countries are just that, leave them alone. if it wasnt for war mongering parasites with your attitude, they wouldnt ever have been at war.
its the year 2000 grow up , there is no need to wipeout civilians just to keep the population down,not when the yanks can distribute and sell chemical weapons and disease strains on the black market to small terrorists cells set up by the people that love to make money off the suffering of others. the only terrorists that are out there are funded by countries with standing armies and a need to keep them employed, via creating terrorist cells and causing conflict. armies create war and thats the bottom line, armies arent created to walk old ladies across the street. wake up to reality
soldiers are paid to kill,not to make pancakes
Yes the primary role of soldier is to kill, However only a small portion of the military are actually trained to kill. An even smaller portion of the Canadian military will. A lot of elements of the Canadian Forces, DART for examples are tasked to go in countries ravaged by war or natural disaster and give assistance. Members of that special team are medics and engineers who can help with medical relief and aid such as drinkable water. They are not killers.... if you look a bit you will find that the Canadian Forces do a lot of good, even in places like Khabul and other conflict areas. But no....you would probably rather ignore all those facts. The Canadian Army isnt a butcherArmy. Yes they can and are good at it but the same folks you label as killers can also help kids, help communities get thru those tough times. But no...keep thinking they are merciless brutal killers with a thirst for blood!
maybe you can actually make a point, tell us one place these"peace keepers have gone and actually created peace............
ill wait for that answer
Cyprus!
Canada has been on this Island nation for Years and Years! Lately talks about reuniting the divided Island have come to fruition. Not done yet but if it wasnt for this peace keeping mission, it could be a hell of a lot worse and engulfed the middle east even further.
Honestly there's quite a few areas were our soldiers have made a difference. See you think that by staying out of regional conflicts you stay out of trouble. It isnt quite true. Ask the Americans about it. We dont live in a bubble, when trouble start somewhere it affects us all eventually. Opting to stay out of it at best of time is a bad idea. Not always, but often it is. Again, look at history, dont take my words for it.
Bottom line is you may think it is not necessary, but it is what you THINK and doesnt make it a reality, no matter how bad you want it or how strong your belief is. I dont think, i use facts and history, that's a bit different than calling Vets, gun totting morons..... | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 3:10:07 PM |
i suppose i could have just agreed and gone along with he rest of the crowd but, i dont lie to myself and i dont lie to anyone else just to be popular.
Trubble, do you really find it so hard to believe people don't share your viewpoint? We all have differing opinions and we're stating them. I hardly think anyone is out to "be popular".
this thread isnt about defending them or their criminal behaviour,it isnt for glorifying the realities of war or the actual things these people do out there fully armed
the question wasnt how much do you love them , it wasnt do you worship the ground they walk on. the title was pretty specific
justifying your adoration for them isnt part of the topic
the question wasnt directed at any generation or age of military, it wasnt specific to a year or military force
You're right. The question in the OP from 3 years ago was "Is there a thing against military people in general?"
People gave their opinions. You gave your's. Just because as of now, your opinion is outnumbered, it doesn't mean there aren't people who think like you do, hence the need to pose such a question in the first place. However, I think the question was actually in regards to dating military personnel and not about our thoughts on war.
Feeling bad for the lady who resurrected this thread. She was just looking for a nice military guy, not all this! | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 4:11:19 PM |
However, I think the question was actually in regards to dating military personnel and not about our thoughts on war.
My answer is no.
Too many uncles who were military men and behind closed doors were control freaks and brutes commanding their families like they were troops.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:31:14 PM | To that question, i gota say i dont know. Sure some have a bad rep, but i dont think it's just too easy to bunch them all together.
I would consider it, at the same rate as anyone else. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 10:30:13 PM | I tend to disagree with how the government uses the people in the military. I personally have liked most of the people I have met who are in or have been in the military.
I might hesitate before considering a relationship with someone in the military. How can you know they are faithful to you when out of town? | |
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