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Posted: 1/5/2006 7:16:16 AM | | ... Right. While you are correct in pointing out that associating the people of today with a specific region and translating that to 2,000 years into the past is a bit of a stretch, I would like to say that the kingdoms of the middle east have stood, as far as I know, for thousands of years. The Native Americans were conqured and killed by Europeans while the arab nations, though had lots of warfare, were never had a nation from far away come in and perminately conquer and occupy the area. Atleast as far as I know. But then again does anyone really know what happened 2,000+ years ago in that great of detail? History is, as always, written by the victor. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 7:34:22 AM | Sparda,
I think from the responses that you have recieved here, your theory is disproved.
Yes after slavery was abolished there were issues, and probably today there are still issues.
But I really don't think that doing an *in your face* type posting does anything to do away with those problems, if anything it escalates them.
Instead of being accepted as a man, you want him to be accepted as a *BLACK* man. As others have said, what's the difference? Who cares?
If you have a belief in Jesus then spread the love that he tried to spread, instead of spreading discent and trying to cause a rift with a racial agenda. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 9:27:58 AM | Feral, excellent post! 
Ah sparda, the man with the biggest chip on his shoulder that I have ever seen. Man, it is time to grow up and stop playing the victim! You live in one of the greatest (if not the greatest) countries in the world. You have the freedom to be and do anything you want. Embrace it already! If you see racism in your world, get out there and do something about it! Remember that guy named Martin Luthor King Jr.? Take a page from his book. Be proactive. Whining and accusing people of being racist, whether they are racist or not only discredits you, and accomplishes nothing.
I have to point out as well that Ethiopia was a different land area in Biblical days than it is now. So although there could well be African people in Chist's blood lineage, your particular arguement holds no water. Also, Arab and white are no more the same than Arab and black are. Please get your facts strait.
"This is because the people have a desperate need to see black people as leaches on world society and not huge contributors"
What people?! All people? Chinese people? Arab people? Swedish people? All people? What is your source for that kind of accusation? Your lables and gross generalizations are extremely offensive, insulting, and plainly unfair. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 9:53:27 AM | Ok, so now all of a sudden Ethiopia was different back then that it is today, yet the other "arab nations" are the same? Arabs didn't come to that part of the world conquering with their Islam junk until around 7 A.D. Most of them are Semites. Semi coming from the world half. Half what? Half white and half black. Arabs, like modern day hispanics, come from the hostile invasions of nothern white invaders on black lands.
And yes, people do have a desperate need to view blacks in a negative light. They will say that black Africans had NO advanced civilizations whatsoever and will admit that about all other races. Have you people never heard of the "Black Madonna"? Those are icons of a black Mary (mother of Jesus) scattered around throughout Europe and they are 'older' than the white-washed versions that came after the European renaissance that promoted white supremacy. This is because before race came to be such an issue, those Europeans accepted the truth for what it really was..... the one known as "Jesus Christ" was a black African and they did not care. But after the transatlantic slave trade, Europeans had to "justify" the actions and so had to deem blacks as inferior. In order to do so, they had to "change" the true images of the biblical characters being black people. The assault of white supremacy/black inferiority continues to this very day.... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 10:00:32 AM | I'll tell you what I always found interesting. Jesus was a carpenter, worked hard with some really heavy duty materials sans power equipment. Every single pic you see of him, down to the little crucifixes depict him as being long, lean - almost anorexic. Yes I know the record indicates he went through some horrific abuse prior to, which would account for some loss of fluids, but wouldn't he have had a more manly appearance (a bit more bulk) if he were a carpenter by trade?
I mean, the man looks downright effeminate. And, according to the Biblical accounts, he was no wuss. Just my little bitty opinion.
Oh topic. He might well have been black, but then he could also have been quite dusky, a bit dark and most likely did not have those blue eyes he is shown with. Doesn't that bother anyone? I mean we are talking color here. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 11:30:34 AM | What bothers me is the amount of criticism that Sprada gets for being passionate about race and racisim. Ironically, the vast majority of people who would critisize Sprada are, like myself, white.
I used to think that racism was an issue that society had dealt with, and people 'playing the race card' were making excuses etc. Then I started dating my fiance and I got quite the eye opener. As Kanye West says in one of his songs "Racism is still alive..." and he is right. It shocked me to see the stares that white people and black people directed our way. Not to mention the comments, which the majority of which were from white people, along the lines of "I hate mixed couples"..."He's a traitor"...etc.
It also shocked me to see the way that my fiance was treated when she was out and about, shopping, or at the movie theatre, etc. For example, we were in a clothing store, and about 3 or 4 women who were white (35 - 40 years old) were trying some stuff on and took other bags into the changeroom with them. My fiance was about to do the same thing, when she was told that she would have to leave her bags at the counter. First she was told it was store policy, then she was told that they have had trouble with people like her. This was the manager saying this. Suffice it to say we left the store.
I realize that my experience is limited to where I live, and is not reflective of everybody in America and Canada. However, merely because you do not know someone who is racist, or you yourself are not racist does not equate to racism being a non-issue.
More on the topic of the forum, it should not be terribly shocking in a relegion that is dominated by prodomenantly white men, that the son of God would also be white.
I am not Christian, so I would have no issue with Jesus being an alien, let alone black. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:09:50 PM | I for one don't believe that racism is all over with, my objection is to the in your face style.
It's like coming up and saying to someone .........*you don't like me because I'm _______ (fill in the blank with whatever ethniticity you want). It puts people on the defensive. And also will make some want to bend over backwards to prove otherwise...when really they just plain don't like the person race having nothing to do with it.
I do agree that there are probably many that would have real issues with a Black or even an Arab looking Jesus. Some of the White Supremists would really filp out. Yet on a whole I believe, and again is only my opinion, that most Christians really don't care.
As for people being judgemental, I do understand that, I actually had a man tell me that no self respecting white man would date a woman who had been with a black man. ^raised eyebrows^ I have to say the attitude shocked me in this day and age. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:12:13 PM | Brain, I agree with you that racism is still very much around today. But I do not take kindly to people who don't even knowing me accusing me of such a thing. It's plainly offensive and ignorant. It's really it's own form or racism. I'm sorry you and your fiancé ran into those kinds of problems. I agree, it's really sad. As far as Christianity being mainly white, I'm not so sure that's really true. Consider the huge black Christian population in the Southern States, and in Africa. And there is a very large, and growing population of Christians in China as well.
The bottom line is that racism is still alive and well in our world, and it's terrible. But accusedly assuming that every race in the world hates blacks is just as bad. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/5/2006 12:17:23 PM | New card.. and better question, what if jesus was/is a woman!!! This thread is hillarious.. jesus could have been anything and is anything you make him/her/it to be.. does it really matter? To me, what matters is what he/she/it did to cuase such a huge influence on humanity.. actions, mirracles, teachings, brilliance, enlightenment. A true role model..
Jesus is/was a being... a brilliant being connected to something no one has since been...
We all cry clear, we all bleed red. We are all the same.
be well all! | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:22:43 PM | Um...lets have a look at the Vatican, and the history of the who has been Pope, and Cardinals...etc...that was my point with the Christianity having a white jesus...
All the big time power players in Christianity have been, and are currently white, thus it is no surprise that Jesus is 'white'. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:35:17 PM | I think I'll concern myself more with what Jesus taught about rascism.
The second great commandment was "Love thy neighbor as thyself".
When asked "Who then is thy neighbor" He illustrated with an outcast of society, the half-breed Good Samaritan). If the love of God is in you it will not be hindered by the race or social position of the those on the receiving end.
Sadly, Christianity, like any religion, can be used to purport a superior race.
It can be done in the name of Christ, but not in the Spirit of Christ. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:39:54 PM | No, not just the pope...but pretty much every power player (Cardinals / Bishops...etc.) in the Christian relegion.
Note that they are, by the vast majority, white, and I do not think it is coincidence that Jesus would also be seen as white based on this history. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:50:33 PM | | Racism is a people issue not a religious issue...and yes its alive and well today, just goes to show how advanced we are.... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 1:09:48 PM | | Jesus Christ is a decendant of Adam... not the 1st man but the first Adamic man. What does Adamic mean? All races were created on the 6th day, Adam was created after God rested on the 7th day. Some say adamic means ruddy complected(sp?)....sounds like it could be a Indian. Who knows. I believe Jesus was light skinned because of this. If proof came to light that he was black I would have no problem with it...But I really doubt anyone could talk me out of what the bible says. Color doesn't mean anything, it's whats in your heart and mind. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 1:16:39 PM | You know if everyone weren't worried about the color of one another's skin it wouldn't make a whole hell of a lot of difference, would it; what color Jesus was/is/might have been? We are all aware of differences. Even to Sparda, so he is also very color conscious. Some species will kill one of their own that is greatly different from the norm physically. We, for the most part, have managed to rise above that.
But wasn't this question about whether Jesus was black or white? Then it is a historical question? | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 1:47:50 PM | Re the "Black Madonna" and other icons and art.
Artists who were rendering artistic depictions of Jesus or Mary painted according to thier cultural preferences. European artists made Jesus look European, since that is what "People" looked like to them.
Black Christians no doubt painted Jesus to look Black, since that is what people looked like, and the early Indian Christians painted Jesus to look *Gasp* Indian. No doubt all made him look like an idealised version of what thier society thought looked good. This would have been done as a matter of habit, and not in a conscious effort to detract from Jesus's Jewishness. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 1:52:34 PM |
Jesus was a member of any race we know on this earth. He was the supernaturally created son of God Almighty. He was born of a woman, but he was the son of God, created like Adam without a mother. He was created an embryo and placed in Mary's womb to grow.
THIS is where all those myths started about women being abducted by space aliens and being impregnanted by them!!! Jesus is an Alien!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. But then again......  | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 4:37:10 PM |
Jesus Christ is a decendant of Adam... not the 1st man but the first Adamic man.
Genetics show that the first modern human would have had to have been black. This is because you could not get modern black people from any of the other races on Earth, but you 'could' get the other races on Earth today from black people.
Now, while many Semites (such as Jews & gypsies) have mixed so much with whites that they've forgotten or deny their African roots, racism (white supremacy) will never let them forget this no matter how light-skinned they become! This was proven by Hitler, who mandated their destruction because they were classified by whites as "non-white" people originating in Africa. The very word gypsy means "out of Egypt.
Many people hate the idea of a "black Messiah". When asked by Whites what difference does it make whether Jesus was black or White...I simply smile & reply... If it doesn't make any difference, why did you make Him white? Can YOU handle the Truth? 
If this wasn't bad enough, there is the "theological teaching" of Noahs curse. Basically what this teaching says is that Noah cursed the descendants of Ham. According to white theologians, this curse manifested itself in the creation of black (cursed) people! The teaching of Noah's curse is a 'literary tool' used to make Blacks feel, believe and think we are 'not human'. Because we were deemed 'not human' and 'uncivilized' Christianity taught it's followers that we needed to BE SAVED from ourselves thus JUSTIFYING SLAVERY, AND THE CURRENT TREATMENT OF BLACKS BY VARIOUS PARTS OF GOVERNMENT (THE POLICE).
Now, I already mentioned that Nubia or Cush means Ethiopia. The Biblical table of nations in Genesis 10 says that Cush and Canaan were brothers (sons of Ham), and that Sumer (Shina) is descended from Cush. Old Testament compilers assign Ham (father of Africans) to Egypt, Canaan, Cush and Phut (Libya). The Bible refers to Egypt as Ham! Now since the Bible would relegate Egyptians to be Hamites (blacks), white theologians have a problem. They want to consider blacks sub-human and say we are a curse of Ham, but at the same time, they don't want to consider one of the greatest ancient civilizations in the world (Egypt) to have been from black people. So they say it was formed from Arabs, which still deviates from the truth of the Bible that they so trust in.
Little things like this is what makes black people SOOO angry, and until such issues as these are dealt with properly and TRUTHFULLY (which would mean giving black people their due credit instead of saying blacks were nothing but half-naked tribesman living in mud huts and swinging from trees.....) blacks will continue to be angry and hateful against the white supremacy of modern-day society all across the globe!  | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 5:00:51 PM | Well sparda,
I suggest you go right ahead being angry and hateful, I'm not sure how the spirit of Jesus will come through all of that bitterness.
Did you happen to notice the only ones having a dialog with you in here are White, even continuting with the discussion after your insults and attacks.
You make statements as if they were fact, yet quote no sources to back up your statements.
As I said before I really couldn't care less what color he was, nor do I care if all our origins were black. And as has been mentioned on this site by myself and others.
Yes we need to know where we came from, but we really have to get past some of the pointing of fingers and saying *Your people made my people slaves* Or *Christians burned Pagans* or *Pagans did blood sacrifices.* Move towards the future you want. If you believe Jesus is black then go out find artists and promote the sale and eduction of people. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 5:10:41 PM | | I'm sorry sparda, but who is that comment for? And how does it relate to anything discussed? | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 5:48:27 PM | That comment relates to everything said because the world seeks to hide or distort black peoples history to make it seem like we ain't sh*t! They will say "Oh look at how advanced Chinese civilization was!" Or "Oh look at Rome and Greece!" Or "Oh, look at the Aztecs and the Mayans". But when they see Egypt or any other great Black African achievement, they will white-wash it in some way to give the credit to ANYBODY but black people.
Same goes with religion. Moses was portrayed as being black in ancient tradition. Hell, even the Bible says his hand would turn white and then turn back to his "original flesh" when God wished to show him a sign.
But the people expect black people to be proud of the history (his story... the white mans story) that has been given to us. Namely that we were primitive savages like in some sort of Tarzan movie and were "civilized" by the great white man after slavery. I am a defender of truth, but many non-blacks cannot 'see' the truth because of the anti-black prejudice that has been created.
Now, everybody knows that black people are very spiritual. Look at any black church and look at how much soul and feeling black people put into it. I am not being racist, but the fact remains that blacks were generally the originators of many major modern-day religions and many of the prophets of the Old Testament were no doubt black men. Why is it such a big deal to accept that? | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/5/2006 5:53:57 PM | | Its doesnt matter whether people are black or white. Crediting people just because they are black is positive discrimination and thats as racist as any other form of discrimination | |
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