| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/5/2006 5:56:25 PM | | sparda, I believe that black people are every bit as significant, important, capable, talented, worthy, gifted, spiritual and intelligent as every other race on earth. Does that work for you? What else do you want us to say? | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/5/2006 5:57:30 PM | | You seem to be the angry one sparda. Ham was a son of Noah and Noah was from the adamic race...he did sleep with his own mother and had a child.....that doesn't change a persons race...if I am white and sleep with a white man in sin and have a child do you think the child will be a different race.....come on. I don't know where you are getting your info but it is wrong. The good and bad that are in the bible have nothing to do with race. You really need to find another way to look at the world. We are all his kids black blue or purple. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/5/2006 6:13:30 PM | Sparda,
Jesus was white, and blacks have not done anything during their existance on earth.
Happy now?
Thats what you were looking for, wasn't it? A reason to hate the white folks? There I just gave it to you. Now be a good little boy and start beating up some white kids as your outlet for the oppression you have received.
- PS. Egypt was not a great black nation, it was middle eastern. Sheesh. It still is today. Unfortunately they had to babysit the black nation next door the Nubian's which did absolutely nothing but life off of Egypt welfare. Sound familiar? | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/5/2006 6:17:08 PM | | Maybe Ham and his decendents have been cursed. Africa has produced people such as Bishop Desmond Tutu, Idi Amin, Nelson Mandella and Robert Mugabe..Who really is to blame for Africas plight?? | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/5/2006 6:21:13 PM | Scooby,
I could care less if your comments were made tongue in cheek, they are not very appropriate.
Well Sprada is more extreme in his thoughts and beliefs, to the point of being offensive to people like myself who are aware of the problems that minorities still face, it does not justify you making comments like that.
I don't agree with the vast majority of the positions that Sprada takes, but the fact remains that history has been dictated and written (at least Western accounts of history) by white, affluent men; at least the vast majority of it. Couple that with the fact that until very recently racial discrimination was legal by law, it is not unreasonable to assume that they way in which society, history, politics, and economics...etc...have minimized contributions by black peoples.
Unlike Sprada, I don't think spitting fire and brimestone type comments helps address the situation. I learned from experience how real prejudice is, and that it is still common place for many people. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/6/2006 6:04:03 PM |
This is because the people have a desperate need to see black people as leaches on world society and not huge contributors. Not in giving spiritual knowledge or otherwise.
So, prove them wrong. Be a contributor, give spiritual knowledge. Don't just challenge with inane words, challenge with action. Jesus didn't spout favoritist victimism; he spread a doctrine of love and peace for all mankind. What does it honestly take to follow that example?
If you have a belief in Jesus then spread the love that he tried to spread, instead of spreading discent and trying to cause a rift with a racial agenda.
See? What she said.
Ok, so now all of a sudden Ethiopia was different back then that it is today, yet the other "arab nations" are the same?
Archaeologically speaking, when the Romans referred to Ethiopia, it was pretty much any and all of Africa south of Egypt. Not exactly what we refer to as Ethiopia today. As for the Arab Nations, they've held sway in the Fertile Crescent area and east to the Mediterranean for pretty much all of recorded history. This is how, yes, the one has "changed" and the other "stayed the same."
Arabs didn't come to that part of the world conquering with their Islam junk until around 7 A.D.
Huh, I didn't know that. So, where did the Assyrians, Babylonians, Sumerians, Hittites, etc. come from?
Arabs, like modern day hispanics, come from the hostile invasions of nothern white invaders on black lands.
...Ask a stupid question. Okay, but the Aryans, you know the half-German, half-Chinese conquerors of the mountains north of India, where do they factor into your alternate past timeline? Or was that a separate race created by Yakub?
And yes, people do have a desperate need to view blacks in a negative light.
Especially if doing so gets them concessions or the right to insist that they're treated negatively.
the European renaissance that promoted white supremacy.
And there it is. I just can't go on with this. "Message to the Blackman in America" was a joke. Even if it wasn't intended as such, it was. Me, I prefer knowledge, facts, accuracy. Rather than whatever supports my need to feel justified in my inferiority. "Black Madonna?" Dude, reference something legitimate like Great Zimbabwe. Don't just toss out "white supremacy" "whitewashed statues" and any other rhetoric. Like I said, I'm done. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/6/2006 10:03:43 PM | Sorry, Sparda, but no banana for you
These people prove what? are they related to the scientiests that proved that a bumble bee can't fly because it's airodynamicly unstable, or the group of scientist that proved a train can't go over 17 miles an hour or the vacuume would pull out the air and everyone would sufficate, need I say more about your proof.
Jesus is semetic and a decendet of king David who scripture says had red hair, he was part Moabite and Jerecoite.
Jesus has appeared to friends of mine just like He appeared to the apostles, and He is not black.
Have a nice day, and quit reading so many books, Soloman said, Eccl 12:12
2 And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh.
SO, instead get baptised in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues
Jimmy
Then you will know truth! | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/7/2006 10:26:58 AM |
Jesus has appeared to friends of mine just like He appeared to the apostles, and He is not black.
I love how you rip science then offer this statement as proof of Jesus being white...
Outstanding...seriously I am still laughing...
Still laughing....
Okay I am done...
"Quit reading so many books"
What, let me guess...we only need to read one book 'The Bible' right?
Suggesting that someone stop educating themselves is ridiculous. Read as many books as you can, learn as much as you can...
Why would someone not want to read, on wait, is it because some of those books out there don't agree with the Church.... | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/7/2006 12:38:41 PM | ^^ I'm with you Brain. OY! Maybe Jesus has appeared to some of sparda's friends too, and they say he IS black. Then what? Aren't dreams and visions always right? 
And yes, reading is good. Jimy do not tell Sparda not to read books. He may find a racial implication there.
David had red hair? I must have missed that part. How embarassing.
I'd like to see a thread where just Jimy and Sparda post. That would be fun!
I can't believe this issue is still being debated. Too funny. Maybe we should discuss the possibility of Jesus having been Asian next. Why not? Equal oportunity, right? | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:12:16 PM | | Oh, I have friends who had visions while abducted by aliens, who say jesus was green with 3 fingers... | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/7/2006 5:43:50 PM |
Most of them are Semites. Semi coming from the world half. Half what? Half white and half black
No, "semite" comes from "Shem", son of Noah. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 5:08:33 AM | "They refuse to see one of the greatest spiritual teachers of all time coming from a race that they deem to be inferior!"
Angry black man syndrome...Same as wimpy man syndrome, loser syndrom, homeless syndrome...
IMO caused by the person and not by society...Womem dont like me waaaaah wahhhh...They dont like you cause your a winey ****...People dont like me WWAAAAHHH...people dont like you because you cry too much...
Sometimes I wonder, in todays society, if racism is caused more because black men THINK everyone hates them or if people just dont like black men... | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 5:44:36 AM | Some of you may have a tough time with my post because you don't have access to information the same way I do.
I say the following with all due respect.
Jesus was not as white as you have been shown (by all those pictures of the last supper, statues, nativity scenes, and all those plastic crucifixes). He was of the appearance of a middle eastern man. However he did not appear to be as dark as an african man.
I spend an average of eight days per year (2 x 4 days) Fasting on a mountain with no food or water for questions I want answered. Most of you are going to dispute what i say but thats OK. He did not come to me in the form of my native ancestors so I question not the form of what i was shown. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 7:34:04 AM | | Maybe he was asian. heck, maybe he was an alien. heck I don't know. everyone thinks hes white so I guess he is white. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 7:36:45 AM | Wiggens...
If you think racism is caused by black people you have some serious misconceptions, it is akin to saying racism against Aboriginals in Canada is caused by Aboriginals.
Obviously you failed to read any of my previous posts conveying my own experiences with my fiance. She is a black woman, and I assure the prejudice that she faces she does not invite.
Perhaps you can justify you own beliefs by blaming others. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 7:41:56 AM | There is racism...I have no doubt about it. I have dated women of a few different races. But I DO think that the black people in this country perpetuate racism with this POOR me attitude..You sound just like my friend...We should coddle the black men until they are ok. Im also talking about america, not canada. Everyone has people that dislike them. Im in Indiana where a liberal mind is completely thought of as unpatriotic and treated as a subculture...Isnt that a prejudice...
And I would appreciate you not saying im racist because you have a chip on your shoulder. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 7:46:45 AM | | In america, blacks have the SAME rights as eveyone else...Some would say more with affermative action. Yes there is racism as well as prejudices, as well as people just not liking people for no damn reason other than hating. Its no excuse to blame everyone else because your having a hard time in life. Also...going back to the start of this thread...WHo CARES what everyone else believes...Believe what YOU believe...And youll be fine...There IS no one right religion...but it seems to cause alot of fighting...<--The reason I dont follow organized religion... | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 8:01:52 AM | | I find it interesting to hear this kind of talk...Im not racist in the slightest bit. That may make it hard for me to argue. I look at individuals...Everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else..(in america) I had a friend of mine that lived two doors down...He was black...He would constantly complain that it wasnt fair of society to hold him down as a black man...He didnt have his license or a highschool deploma...I told him I would tutor him and help him get both of them...The guy wouldnt do it...He would come up with every excuse not to do it. I have met several other people that have this same type of attitude and (though this attitude may have COME from a society based in racism dating back to slavery and equal rights movements) come up with the same type of excuses to keep themselves in low paying jobs in inner city slums. We are in the after math of racism. We are in a society that has now learned (as a majority) to accept blacks as equals and now we have to convince blacks that they are actually EQUAL. What I b*tch about is all I see is blacks in getto's (yes I have lived in inner city getto's) using that they are racially unequal when in fact its just an excuse because they arnt succesful. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 8:26:50 AM | many of the followers of the KKK are right into their religion. many were well known in their congregations as upstanding members. Put the white sheets over them and they had no problem mistreating/hanging/torturing Blacks. The damaging effects are probably still evident in Black culture.
Jesus sure wasnt someone we were to paint whatever colour suited us. (We were all given ways in which to pray) However when politics and religion slept in the same bed so to speak. Religion lost its meaning from which was intended. The politicians painted jesus the colour which gave them the most power.
Many now view organized religion as the bully on the block because of the political affiliations.
I can see how one might get the idea of how a religion may come across as bieng racist looking through the eyes of a politician. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 11:55:19 AM | It is interesting to see that the bible is against slavery
1 Timothy 1:10
for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
PHILEM 1:1-16
In verse 16 Paul appeals to Philemon to free his slave Onesimus. Note no mention is made that Onesimus is black or white, to Paul he is just a human being and there was no color problem. There was slavery in those days but it was based on conquering other peoples.
Galatians 3:27-28 states that there is no slavery in Christianity.
The start of racial slavery (although there is only one race, I prefer to call it color slavery):
The first slaves were brought to Portugal in 1441 and this traffic and trade in gold, pepper and ivory, were so lucrative that Castilian (Spanish) sailors began to follow the Portuguese lead in 1453 along the west coast of Africa in search of slaves and financial wealth. It was to overt the danger of fierce competition and possibly war between these two European global powers (Spain and Portugal) that Papal sanction was sought for a Portuguese monopoly.
The Pope:
On 8 January 1455, the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Nicholas V, issued a Papal Bull titled Romanus Pontifex in which he authorized the Portuguese “to subject to servitude, all infidel peoples”. In another Papal Bull, Inter Caetera issued on 13 March 1456, Pope Nicholas V “granted to Prince Henry, as Grand Master, of the Order of Christ in Portugal, all lands (and peoples) discovered or conquered form Cape Bojafor, in Africa, to and including the Indies.”
Clearly the Pope and later Popes didn’t read their bibles and had no interest in the truth of the scriptures. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 12:13:08 PM | | I find it insulting that black people want to point out alleged racism so much but never once have I seen one offer graditude for the countless white people from John Brown to Union soldiers to civil rights workers in the 60s who were killed trying to win freedom for blacks. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 12:38:53 PM |
I find it insulting that black people want to point out alleged racism so much but never once have I seen one offer graditude for the countless white people from John Brown to Union soldiers to civil rights workers in the 60s who were killed trying to win freedom for blacks.
Thank You. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:34:28 PM | Wiggens...
You admit that there is still prejudice in North America, and in the same breath state that we all have equal opportunities.
The fact that people are still prejudice makes it impossible for us to have equal opportunities. | |
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| Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 1/8/2006 5:19:29 PM |
I find it insulting that black people want to point out alleged racism so much but never once have I seen one offer graditude for the countless white people from John Brown to Union soldiers to civil rights workers in the 60s who were killed trying to win freedom for blacks
Why should you feel insulted - what did you do?
By the way, the names of several white civil rights wokers are enscribed on the Civil Rights Memorial - I see that as thanks, don't you? | |
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