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Posted: 2/7/2006 10:21:44 AM | I hate to burst your bubble but, jpitalian is correct.
Proper nutrition combined with excercise will get you to where you want without the use of pills.  | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 10:24:26 AM | | I am not a moron. I can read the label that says diet and excerise are needed. The energy the pills give me are great. So why not add them to the mix?? If they give me the energy to keep moving more and more each day I know they are helping. The pills can help speed me up and speed up the process. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 10:33:39 AM | Give it to them Princess. Don't let them talk down to you. The one question I ask myself about pills of any kind is " Are the pills actually making me better or is it all in my head?"
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Posted: 2/7/2006 10:38:36 AM | The jitters the pills sometimes gives me lets me knows its not ALL in my head. Hell some of it is, and I am ok with that. As long as the weight comes off and I get in shape...WHO CARES?? Not me thats for sure.
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Posted: 2/7/2006 11:06:24 AM | | if it were simply all in the head, athletes wouldn't be banned from using them.. They do enhance performance | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 11:21:50 AM | There is nothing wrong with supplemtation if you know what you are doing with them. Just like anything and just like food itself, all supplements will perform a little different for everyone because everyones body chemistry is different, and will react different.
The actual problem in this day and age is that there are so many diet pills out on the market that people do not know what is good and/or bad anymore, they just see the word "diet" and it will work. Alot of supplements "DO" work, but again, everyones body will react differently, or not at all to any kind of supplementation.
Amino Acids, glutamine, and even creatine I think are excellent supplements. they are all already produced by your own body naturally, just when you workout hard by whichever means you do it by, you breakdown your body in order to build it back up, and you have to "replenish" what you lost.
People nowadays think that if they take a det pill they don't have to exercise and can sit on their can and still eat what they want. THAT IS THE PROBLEM, not the supplements.
Everyone has different purposes in what they want to accomplish, whether it's losing weigh, or gaining weight or just toning, so different supplements will suffice for different purposes.
Again it's about being knowledgable and not just nieve and automatically assuming nothing will work besides good old food. I'm a hardgainer, I can eat till i'm blue in the face, but supplementation really makes a difference with me. You can never say anything works for "everyone" or there would be one product for every body period.
Hydroxycut is a product that will work if you "combine" it with diet and exercise. Don't be nieve to think that by just taking a pill and not changing anything else you will get results, that's your own undoing. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 11:31:32 AM | | I think Hydroxycut is junk now. That is merely my opinion of the product since they've changed it. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 11:41:02 AM | Supplementation is supposed to be just that "supplementation"...and "add-on" and addition....people forget this, it's not the "only" thing in your diet. You are suppose to add to your diet and exercise. Some people have deficiencies that they must supplement to keep optimal health or healthy readings.
But the people who are so against certain types of supplements are usually the same people who have tried it and it didn't work for them, either because they didn't add it to their diet and exercise correctly, or it just didn't "fit in" with their body chemistry. Doesn't mean the next man or woman won't have great results. It's no different then a woman going to the gym doing the same exact exercises as the woman next to her yet chances are they both will yield different results.
One man can say he took Glutamine and didn't see anything, and I can say I did take it and it helped alot.
For one thing, when you take supplementation you don't SEE if it's working short term for most of them, but it is inside. People want "quick fixes" and an "overnight success" and again, that's being nieve.
You breakdown your muscle tissues and put alot of strain on your joints and cartilage when you workout. Your body only produces so much, you have to put back in what you broke down. For me with my supplements, I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE when I take a week or so off them then when I am on them.
It's all up in the noggin....use it first and be smart. You have to be smart to eat right and to exercise right, don't be stupid when it comes to supplementation, it can be your best friend if you know what you are doing.
Ripped fuel is a joke to me, all it is is caffeign and it gets you hyper and spikes your energy, it's "short term" and people take short term fixes too seriously. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:05:30 PM | I think Hydroxycut is junk now. That is merely my opinion of the product since they've changed it.
yeah i fully agree Kiwinut! amazing when i see people still blindly buying the stuff off the shelves in my local supplement shop. i want to shout at them to read-the-labels lol unfortunately they wouldnt know what to look for
infact i was happy to notice that princessnaughty specifically mentioned that her stuff has ephedrine in it. atleast someone who knows what she's doing! | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:07:08 PM | | Yeah Hydroxycut is a joke. What 20bucks at wally world?? I did it and didnt notice a thing, I felt the same no added energy. Waste of money! | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:19:26 PM | ^^ you never feel an affect right away, anyone should know that, too many of you are looking for "quick fixes" and you gotta stop that mindset, you are fooling yourselves.
Certain things need time to get into your system and produce an affect.
and another thing is that I don't take fat burners cuz I don't need them, but if you know anything that has happened in the last 3 yrs you should know that there was no concrete evidence that the Ephedra based supplements was linked to the deaths surrounding it. for each person there were other factors involved and a bunch of them had health risks already.
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The people who were involved looked at what the people were taking instead of their exersice routines, the heat they were in and the lack of hydration they had themselves in. Ephedra has already been deemed as a goat for an excuse for answers when it WAS NEVER PROVEN. Their medical histories showed other reasons and the exact causes of death.
So don't just take or not take something because of what you hear though the grapevine. All tests done on the people who were drectly linked to ephedra related deaths could show no proof the it was the cause.
And by the way, Hydroxicut doean't have Ephedra in it anymore, thought you all should know that already, so why it is even an issue I don't know.....
It's just like the "low carb" FAD.....when that came out everyone wanted to do it for the MAGICAL POTION !!! well the low carb crap fizzled out fast. So when you are on a low carb diet where do you get your energy from? yea thought so.
Don't be a "bandwagonner" . That just makes you as bad as everyone else.
Ephedra was NEVER linked with proof that it was a risk, it was the scapegoat for something to be blamed for.
There is no "guarantee" for any food, supplement, or diet miracle, but they do work for alot of people when used CORRECTLY.
it's all the people who use something for a week or tried it one time and didn't see grand results that shoot something down that get on my nerves. Nothing works that fast unless it's maybe Gutamine or Creatine, those are immediate. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:21:45 PM | | Exactly. There is no miracle pill, Dont we all wish there was?? Just something to help along the way! | |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:29:56 PM | and like I said in my previous 2 posts, there is a reason why you always hear the phrase "consult your physician before using...."
they don't preach that for nothing. That is so if you have any underlying issues that you might not even know about or conditions, your system might react to certain things negatively. Doesn't mean they are harmful, cuz for the normal healthy individual, they are as healthy of a supplement as can be. But for someon with a pre-existing condition it might not be.
You should consult your physician before doing any extreme type of exercise that you are not accustomed to be doing regularily anyways, so why would you be so ignorant as to not consult your physician when supplementing?......Exercise is healthy but you still consult...supplements are healthy but you should still consult with your physician.
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Posted: 2/13/2006 2:44:38 PM | | hot-rox by biotest is awesome, check it out at t-nation.com, great for both men and women, and its sold direct so its cheap... | |
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Posted: 2/13/2006 3:38:08 PM | | All the weight loss pills are pretty useless. Check the scientific literature behind it(not magazines or advertisements). The best results they got while testing all of them was an increase of just 1% in total calories burned off(do some cardio and your base metabolic rate goes up more from that temporarily). If your looking for a pick me up, try caffine pills instead. 8 bucks gets you a bottle of 100 tablets. **BUT only use them sparingly when you absolutely must and reasearch them to know what they do, how they do it and side effects, otherwise stay away from them. If you are eating properly, exercising and getting enough sleep then you should have no need for an energy booster or weight loss pill. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2006 3:48:55 PM |
The jitters the pills sometimes gives me lets me knows its not ALL in my head. Hell some of it is, and I am ok with that. As long as the weight comes off and I get in shape...WHO CARES??
Actually, your liver cares. At least if it had the ability to reason it would. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 6:57:49 AM | Thank you Guitarman!!!!!
It is amazing what we do to our bodies to get things done fast and easy!!!
I stopped by and read this whole forum.....some pretty good informantion...and really awesome caring people here.
Two years ago ..I weight 269 lbs..I was a former fitness freak rebeling..lol...for real...anyway I have tried...Weight Watchers, Herbal One, Diet Centre, Body for Life ....it goes on and on....they all work for awhile...I have lost over 70lbs so far....but truthfully...just like all these guys with the awesome bodys in this forum said....Exercise, 6 small healthy meals a day, portion control.....and holy crap...a whole lot of freaking will power!!!!!!!! It will happen and the slower the better!!!!!! I now work at a health club...so I have to work out daily....I still cheat...hell, I am human! but girls it will work...but truthfully it won't stop ya from wanting all that bad for ya food.....what keeps me going is my long term goal.....when I turn 85...I am eating triple chocolate cheese cake 3 times a day for the freaking rest of my life!!!!!!!!! Lol
Thank you all for the good advice, good luck and stay healthy!!!!
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Posted: 2/14/2006 6:58:52 AM | | oops sorry about the spelling errors!!! | |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:49:25 AM | | I would strongly advise that you do not use thermogenics at this time.Your heart is under enough strain with the added weight that you are carrying.Do not use them with out first seeing you doctor.Perhaps once you are within 20-25 lbs of your goal weight AND you've participated REGULARLY in a cardio program for at least 3 months..then you may want to consider adding a thermogen(if you must.)Try coffee for now if you need a stimulant. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:58:24 AM | Hey spincycle...thanks for the message...but that wasn't directed at me was it??? or general?? I don't use anything and I workout everyday....sometimes more....but great advice. My thread was agreeing that eat right and working out is what really works...period!!!
Have a happy Valentines!
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Posted: 2/14/2006 9:05:35 AM | A person shouldn't need thermogenics or coffee or caffeign for a kick anyways! Change your diet, supplement with vitamins and minerals, and get antioxidants in your diet from fruits, and you should have plenty of energy for your days with exercise or without.
I don't drink caffeign, coffee, nothing, and i'm about as energetic as they come, cuz I eat right and supplement right. your own motivation, and drive and outlook on life as a whole every day is part of the "kick" you should have.....
If you go for the caffeign and all that "crap" I call it, you risk getting dependant on it, and it gives you a "false" high when you can get a natural one called "life" by eating and supplementing correctly.
Go bUy some of those and try it, like Ripped Fuel, and see how it gives you a kick, and then when you hit the "low" when it wears off, come back and tell me how fun the "yo-yo" effect it has on you is.......just be smart, and take the right things and you don't need false pill kicks for a PICK-ME-UP. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 10:34:43 AM | Yeah well I will stick with the wonderful yellow pills. Working great so far. hahaha cleanest house on the street.  Added Bonus is they make me extra horny. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 3:53:36 PM | | Hey beuonly...no I read the OP and responded..didn't read the rest of the thread.To the other poster ..when you are twice the weight you should be..you are putting tremendous strain on your body...climbing a small flight of stairs can exhaust you.I mentioned coffee if she feels she may need an ARTIFICIAL boost.Coffee is very hard on liver,it attacks the adrenal gland causing it to expel adrenaline,depleting it(creating a dependancy on coffee)this adrenal rush taxes the liver.Coffee should be used in moderation with the understanding that caffeine is a drug.I would rather see someone tap natural energy stores by cutting artificial colours and flavours,preservatives,pesticides,antibiotics and hormones(in meats)from their diet.I've seen people recover from what they thought was epstein-barr virus by elimating these toxins from their diets. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 5:30:29 AM | Hi Spincycle..thanks for getting back on that!:D.......I know what it is like to weigh almost double your weight....yikes!!!! You know just working out everyday gives me a ton...(no pun intended) of energy.....I have tried all the supplement crap...had jitters, sore glands in neck and heart pulpitations (sorry no spell check here!!!). Sure I found they all did what they said they would for awhile...but the side effects on my health are not worth it!!!! Also the regiment of taking all those supplements, making shakes...holy crap..it kept me in the place I didn't want to be the most....the kitchen!!!
Now I eat 3-6 times a day...depending on the freaking day...workout...and try really hard to make thru without blowing it!!!Lol.....don't worry to much about the scale...it just works best. I wasn't always heavy....actually I was a long distance runner until 1998.....was injured at work....couldn't run...no more natural high 2x day from endorphines....well I woke up one day weighing 269...120lbs heavier then my fighting weight!!! But hey...I have a whole new respect for people who struggle with weight issues...so maybe I had to learn this lesson???
Anyway....Take care....and I hope everyone struggling get to where they want....and everyone watching them do it...cheer them on .....it's not easy!!!!!
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Posted: 2/15/2006 5:33:17 AM | | Oh ya...princessnaughty...put some damn clothes on you are making me jealous and hey I would rather look at one of those muscle dudes' chests than ...a womens on the net!!! Lol | |
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