| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 12:41:19 AM | | of course, you realized that the steel did not have to melt to fail. Firstly, the impact of a large massive jet flying over 500 km per hour did a lot of structural damage, taking out many of the supporting beams ans columns. Therefore, te remaining structure had to bear more than its design load. Now, under high temperatures, even though it may not have melted, steel will lose its strengh, toughness and elastcity when exposed to high temperatures. The steel, when reaching this high temperatre (although still well below liquification (melting)) temerature, did enter a softer phase, that coupled with the increased loading from the compromised structure, caused the colums to fail (bend and buckle), not necessaril melt, to cause the structure to collapse. Note, this is the same thing blacksmiths do to to form shapes, they heat steel up to temperatures well below melting, but high enough to 'soften' the steel to easily bend and shape it. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 6:55:06 AM | Also, the resulting fire was widespread right away as opposed to a fire that starts out small, grows, and moves to new sources of fuel. Such propogation allows burned out areas to cool down as the fire moves away, and structural supports regain strength. Left long enough such a fire may just burn out with no permanent structural damage.
Upon impact, (remember that in jets, fuel is carried in the wings as well as the fuselage), jetfuel was dispersed over the entire width and depth of the building. The amount of heat generated by such a large fire would have been more than enough to heat steel quickly and maintain the steel at a temperature sufficiently high enough to weaken it.
Think of it another way...each floor was about an acre in area. If you take an acre of grassy field and start a fire at one corner, it burns the grass and moves on to new grass. The burned out grass cools off as the fire moves away to new sources of fuel.
Now light that whole acre of grass on fire at the same time. What happens is that even though the temperature of the flame may be the same, the amount of heat produced is far greater since there is more fire all at once. | |
|
lemmyr
|
Joined: 10/4/2005
Msg: 28 | |
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 6:59:23 AM | Having been married before I would like to see if my answer to conspiracy theories then works as good now, "Yes your right, I am sorry".  | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 8:54:43 AM | | Tip: Spacing, bolding and italics make these longer posts easier to read. :) | |
|
| |
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 9:55:24 AM | Easier to read...
OK, I think I got it...
Hey I was one for three...that's not too bad right? :) | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 9:57:34 AM | square brackets [] as in for quotes Edit: Exact same format except replace quote with
b for bold
i for italics
| |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 9:59:47 AM | 9/11.
Yeah.
Where does one begin.
Osama on the payroll...
An excuse to attack another country supposedly in fear of weapons (but for oil.)..
Earth coincidentally at peak oil at the time....
Bush deciding UN is all about what the US wants....
Clearly, there is no need for the UN.
The tower no one knew about.
I could go on and on....
| |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 11:18:56 AM | 90% of the jet fuel went up on impact in a huge fireball. Kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn hot enough to melt carbon steel in a normal oxygen atmosphere. Not even enough to soften it appreciably.
That building was designed specifically to withstand an impact with a Boeing 707. A slightly smaller plane that flies faster and carries more fuel.
Buildings do not collapse straight down at the speed of a falling object under normal gravity, considering the resistance of the floors below. Something had to remove or weaken the resistance. ie: explosives
WTC7 collapsed completely and had NO plane impact and only small fires were reported. Other highrise buildings have burnt for hours, sometimes days and do not collapse. A lot of first time coincidences happened during these events.. and I for one don't believe in that many coincidences happening at once. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 11:24:50 AM | Well "distinctive" that all sounds nice, just like something "Times" or the government would write, however none of it is true.
First the impact of the cargo jet was less force than a strong wind. The people inside reported thay felt the impact but even the cameras inside didn't show any vibration.
Second most of the jet fuel burned up on impact or did you not see a great big ball of flame?
Third, as we all saw, the smoke from the towers, was black- meaning a cold fire. AND if you look closely in the hole the jet made, there are people looking out. They are not burning.
Forth, all the massive steel pillars were coated with a fire/heat protection.
Fifth, time the fall and you will see that the buildings fell at a free fall or better speed. The term "pull" is a demolition term for a controlled demolition because they can make the building fall at a free fall speed. BTW I have a recording of the new WTC lease holder(Silverstine), giving the order to "pull" building 7!
Sixth, the firemen inside the towers reported that everything was under control, the fires were under control.
The steel did not get hot enough to bend, even. Have you ever looked at the damage done to a steel skyscraper, with a massive fire burning for days? Not much! No steel building has ever fallin or broke itself into truck sized parts from any kind of fire, let alone a small cold one.
Seventh, There were many reports, that you never saw more than once, of explosions underground, before the towers fell. I have a news report showing a massive 50 story cloud of smoke from the base of the towers. The news clip was never aired again. There are records of the tremmors showing the planes impacts and the other explosions. There are witnesses that came forward just as the first plane hit and they said "that was not an American Airelines". The fire men and many news stations reported the explosions but were never aired again and most are now unavailiable from the source.
I have seen satalite thermal pictures of the WTC complex days after the demolition, after thousands of gallons of water and some rain was put on it. The temperature underground was still higher, under several spots, than the melting point of alluminum. You all saw the smoke comming out for days. Jet fuel can not do this. The only thing that could cause those temp.s underground, is high tech explosives. No fuel can do this.
If you study the science of controlled demolitions you will know what to look for and more importantly you will know what you are looking at. Then you will not have to reiterate the governments disinformation. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 12:02:37 PM | distinctive and latestfish
I know you don't know me but I do not lie and I do not arrive at conclusions at a drop of a hat. I have studied everything availiable FROM INDEPENDENT MEDIA to do with 9/11. I have an electronics degree that I studied far less for, and for less years.
Since 1980(North America mostly) there has been a massive takeover of all the mainstream media. There are only 9 companies that own them all- nearly all.
You used to have differing openions in the news. Now they all have their "talking points" and highly edited scripts for the talking heads to read. The owners of the mainstream media hang out with "the powers that be" and they arrange to tell you just what they want you to know or believe. They belong to the same clubs.
Just like the "science" distinctive gave us. They make it up. They hire some pretty smart people so don't feel to bad that you have been suckered distinctive and latestfish.
I will say it again. You can not trust the mainstream media any longer. You are being lied to everyday. Check out "Fair" for some real news. Check out infowars dot com for a bigger picture of what is really going on in the US. Look up independent media. Find James McCanney's web site for some real science of our solar system and more; not the crap that NASA feeds us. We don't have a lot of time for enough of us to learn & understand, before we all wake up in a police state and a one world facist government and one religion for all(the UN is working on that one). Speaking of the UN, am I the only one who wonders why all the pres's of the UN have been self proclaimed socialists and communists? The US is now a police state and most of there constitional ammendments have been hacked away. Were next. Find out what Paul Martin signed this summer; the Codex. Find out from independent sources or the government will just tell you it had something to do with pizza. About 1% now is clued in about 9/11 and can connect the dots. We need a critical mass of at least 5% before the truth gets out and becomes mainstream. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 12:23:23 PM | BTW distinctive. I have heated up lots of steel and beat it into shape, I solder, I weld, I braise, I have even used silver solder. I have drilled, filed, bent, sandblasted, and tempered and untempered steel. No matter how big a fire you make with fuel it will not do what you are saying. Also I should mention that I have been tested several times and have a 99%(there is no 100) mechanical reasoning aptitude. All I had to do was look at the towers fall and I knew what happened. Never the less I also went over all the facts.
Because of the years of study I have done on 9/11 and the New World Order plans; I am an expert on the subject. Three years is usually enough time to become an expert on any subject. I have been at this since before 9/11. Obviouslly test_pilot has been doing his homework. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 12:40:14 PM | Me thinks someone as a lot of spare time on his/her hands ...  | |
|
| |
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:15:30 PM | Now that has to be the worst conspiracy - blocking a beautiful girl What an utter fool | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:16:52 PM | | Haha Yeah well not sure else how to explain it. See if I talk about skiing again. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:46:02 PM | Steve, are you ridiculing someone because they believe something that you don't?
How does one get blocked from a thread? This board acts up all the time for me, so it's probably a glitch. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:47:44 PM | | No you blocked me or least I can't message you anymore. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:47:54 PM | Test pilot, no I was not rediculing someone, I was being my regular old dumbass self  | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:59:20 PM | Conspiracy;
Is Steve really a dumbass, or a highly intelligent alien from another planet.
hint
rowboat on profile = spaceship.
I dunno...I'm thinking he's an alien, they all work for the government.
Haaaa :) | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 2:01:19 PM | | Kismetrick - Shhh ... my lord Blackron will take me back and I will be punished by having to clean the inside of our Deep Brown Glory soldiers toes with my tongue ... you cannot let out that I am an alien ... I beg you! | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 2:05:54 PM | Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......deep brown what......?..............haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....
secret safe with me, Chancellor Blackron will never know.
p/s you assimilate nicely for an alien. | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 2:07:05 PM | | I have spoken too much ... I am doomed to be licking the toes ... I must go now | |
|
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 2:15:48 PM | | thats what happens when u put a pic of your spaceship in your profile! | |
|
PA!GE®
|
Joined: 11/9/2005
Msg: 50 | |
| Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 1/7/2006 2:27:15 PM |
No you blocked me or least I can't message you anymore.
Back off u have Steve | |
|
Home
login 
