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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:38:19 PM | | Latestfish I will get back to you on your comments. I have to figure out how to explain myself to you, and IF you really want me to give you the truth as I see it. I don't mean any harm and I know that I come off a bit cold sometimes. I am brutally honest, I guess I should have warned you. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:20:08 PM | http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/10/worldupdates/2006-01-10T180847Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-231266-3&sec=Worldupdates
[quote} the United States and the European Union doubt that Iran's atomic ambitions are entirely peaceful
How bout the US and UK want to control it themselves, so they like to call it terror.
Energy research is terror if they don't own it. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:02:09 PM | | That's all a smokescreen to disguise the fact that Iran has the 3rd or 4th largest petrol reserves in the world (depending on whos figures are used) and that's what the Americans really want to control. They will use the excuse of illegal weapons research and production as an excuse to mount their next invasion to occupy another oil rich country. I give it five years... maybe less and Iran will fall. They have been making noises about Iran for a while now, so it's just a matter of time. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:04:14 PM | Attacks will begin on Iran in March I guarantee it.
The US will back it..along with the UK...
Missiles will come from Israel, attacking Iran.
For supposed weapons.
WW3.
The reason I don't sleep at night. :(
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1128/p06s01-wome.html
Headline:
Israel: Iran is now danger No. 1
US, Britain, France, and Germany threatened Iran on Monday with sanctions over its nuclear program.
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:09:44 PM | | WWIII won't get started until the Chinese get pissed off over what is happening over there and decide they need it more than the US... which will be soon. When that happens it will be all over but the crying. The have a huge energy crisis on their hands now, and in a few years it's going to get worse.. especially when they realize that peak oil is not a myth. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:10:19 PM | OK latestfish I have some points to consider.
latestfish- You Posted: 1/7/2006 4 45 PM
[latestfish] "What if I theorized that government agencies intentionally distribute misleading information and conflicting evidence for the sole purpose of misleading those of us who are most susceptible to the plausibility of conspiracy theories knowing that those same people would figure out the truth...whatever it might be...that they are controlled by aliens to take a page from the X-Files for example.
Whew...even I had to read that a couple of times to make sure it made sense!"
[Truth Seeker] NOW you are close to the truth latestfish! The US "government" has 8 or 9 people hired right now just to discredit one man- Ted Gunderson. He is exposing the real child sex slave ring, not what little you hear on TV or read in the "news"paper. This kind of manipulation is worse that on X-files. "They" made it look like just one guy writing BS on X-Files. There is a lot more work and planning goes on to manipulate us all than you would imagine. The "government" sets up web sites that expose the truth(nothing spectacular), while pretending to be just private individuals. "They" do this truth telling for awhile till people trust them, and rely on "them". Then when the time is right they slip in misdirection, misinformation, disinformation. And if someone exposes that "they" can't be trusted, so what!; it all adds to the confusion and distrust. Trust me it is very hard to tell if a source is always truthfull, you have to watch carefully for the disinformation. NO that is not what I am doing here, in case someone thinks I am a disinformation specialist.
[latestfish] "I'm not though, but I do question the facts for which conspiracy theories are based. I'd be an idiot if I didn't."
[Truth Seeker] I agree. You should question all theories and actual conspiracies.
[latestfish] " Equally as such I will question what 'mainstream' media feeds me. I am aware of the biases that are present in what I read, see, and hear whether it be from a big name media company or one person's blog."
[Truth Seeker] There is a lot more than "biases" in the media. There is outright lies, dissinformation, missinformation, and very crafty manipulation. And they are good at it.
[latestfish] "I do agree on your take of world politics...America is too large to just sit back and let the world develop on it’s own. Enter US Foreign Policy. It seems odd to me that in recent history, the individuals that have been on the wrong end of the US military machine have been the same people that at one time were supported in some fashion by that same government."
[Truth Seeker] America needs to concentrate on its own development, set an example!
It is not odd at all that "the individuals that have been on the wrong end of the US military machine have been the same people that at one time were supported in some fashion by that same government."
If "they" can't find an enemy "they" create one. George Bushes' grandfather supported Adolf Hitler, big time!
[latestfish] "Again, I agree that the only purpose for war in the Middle East is to ensure that the western world continues to have an uninterruptible supply of oil."
[Truth Seeker] I never said that. There were/are many reasons for the "war" in the Middle East. ONE of them is for the oil. No bid contracts to "fix" everything going to Bush and Cheney's friends. Bush a principal in the Carlyle Group sold billions in weapons. The ancient artifacts were stolen(to hide our true history I imagine). The population is being reduced and many many more are sick and don't even know it yet. And finally one of the biggest reasons is the money. Guess who owns the money supply now?
[latestfish] "The fact that that part of the world has it in for western ‘Zionists’ just makes it easier for 'us' to use force to achieve that goal.
[Truth Seeker] Your may want to learn a bit more about what a Zionist is. Is Sharon dead yet? I am praying for him. Man of pease, my ass! "They" are already rewriting him as a nice guy. As bad as Bushes and Ben Ladens.
[latestfish] "I am quite happy that Canada did not choose to support the US. Sadam was a monster, and his regime was savage, and for that I am happy to see his government deposed, but to use intelligence that at best could prove that he investigated WMD as an excuse to invade a country was not right."
[Truth Seeker] Did "Canada choose", or was that just part of the plan? What were we going to do anyway, crash wornout choppers on them?
Yes Sadam(where ever you are hiding) is a monster. You are quite correct in calling it an invasion, Latestfish, and more. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:30:43 PM | I find it very helpfull to avoid saying the Americans, the North Koreans, the Russions, The Chinese, Iran, Canada,etc. since it is not the people nor really the governments pulling the strings, planning all of this, starting wars, making Countries, breaking Countries; It is the Money Changers! Find out who "they" are and you will know who to blame for all the shit hitting fans. What "they" have planned, I prefer to refer to as: the manuer pile getting blown through a jet engine.
HINT: The first really crooked bankster's private bank(Money Changer) was called Red Shield(in english). His family still has controlling interest in the Central Bank of Canada. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:07:41 PM | I see you have picked apart my response pretty good. I only have a couple of counterpoints so I'll try not to be too long.
[Truth Seeker] America needs to concentrate on its own development, set an example!
It's a nice sentiment...I even agree. It's just that global politics has gone too far down the present path to turn back. I am not saying that what they do now is right...American foreign policy is atrocious...but there is no simple fix.
For America to pull out now would require the world to turn a blind eye and abandon those who do not wish to live under oppression. That in itself is enough to create future enemies. No matter what people think over here, there are people over there that are grateful for the invasion.
It is not odd at all that "the individuals that have been on the wrong end of the US military machine have been the same people that at one time were supported in some fashion by that same government."
If "they" can't find an enemy "they" create one
You're right...it's not odd, and I knew that when I wrote that statement. Did they really intend to create those enemies? Or was it the application of a dysfunctional foreign policy...I don't know.
Is it about the oil? Of course it is...no oil = no money = no need for Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan...etc. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:31:39 PM | | It's also about controlling the worlds dwindling resources. I haven't made up my mind as to whom is ultimately responsible in the big scheme of things but I am working on it. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 3:48:56 AM | Good morning, and now for your daily dose of reality outside of your' TV's :
Google World News to get overviews from different papers/sources, then line them up with US.
Look how fear over misused resources is escalating.
Ukraine:
Ukraine parliament fires prime minister
Chicago Tribune - 29 minutes ago
Ukraine's parliament fired the country's prime minister and Cabinet on Tuesday to protest the government's handling of the recent gas price war with Russia, a move experts said ...
http://news.google.ca/?ned=ca&topic=w
US/Iran:
US Accuses Iran of Escalating Nuclear Dispute
Chosun Ilbo - 30 minutes ago
The United States said Tuesday Iran's move to reopen previously sealed nuclear sites represents a "major escalation" of the diplomatic confrontation over its nuclear intentions.
Israel:
Window on Israel: Not a peace process
Jerusalem Post - 9 Jan 2006
News media and politicians from many countries, including Palestine, are concerned that without Sharon there can be no peace process.
Second charge over 'secrets leak'
BBC News - 21 hours ago
A civil servant accused of leaking a memo reportedly about a possible bombing of an Arab TV station by the US has been charged with a second offence.
And......HAARP??? anyone?
Quake shakes Pakistan
News24 - 3 hours ago
Islamabad - A 5.1-magnitude earthquake shook northern Pakistan on Wednesday, rattling areas still recovering from a massive temblor in October, the meteorological department says. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:33:21 AM | Are you saying TV news doesn't report these stories? Or that their slant is too pro US?
The only story I didn't know about when I went to bed last night was the quake...
I have to go to work, otherwise I'd stick around and chat. :) | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:53:47 AM |
HINT: The first really crooked bankster's private bank(Money Changer) was called Red Shield(in english). His family still has controlling interest in the Central Bank of Canada.
The American War for Independence began, not so much over political self determination, as over who would control that wealth. The British crown arranged through Mayer Amshel Bauer to purchase an army of mercenary soldiers, the Hessians, to fight on the British side. The Americans won, the British lost, but Mayer Amshel Bauer learned an important lesson. It doesn't matter who wins or who loses. Wars cost money, and there are big profits to be made. Mayer Amshel Bauer changed his last name to "Rothschild" (red shield) and shared a five story mansion with the Shiff family in Franfurt, Germany.
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:17:35 AM | More on the Rothschilds
“ Give me control over a nation’s currency and I don’t care who makes its laws.” - Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1743 – 1812)
http://www.members.shaw.ca/theultimatescam/What's%20Really%20going%20on%20out%20there.htm
Unfortunately most of it seems to be the typical "anti-semitic" Jews control the world stuff we have be hearing about for years. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:32:23 PM | | about the earthquke in pakistan. that's two big quakes just this week. there was one 300 miles off fiji at the beginning of the week. scary. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:14:04 PM |
Unfortunately most of it seems to be the typical "anti-semitic" Jews control the world stuff we have be hearing about for years.
Yeah that (anit-semitism) is definitely NOT cool. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:44:49 AM |
Yeah that (anit-semitism) is definitely NOT cool.
I can buy the theory that there is an invisible cabal controlling the worlds finances, because whoever you owe something to untilmately controls you, I don't buy into the racial/ethnic aspect of it.
Not everything I read on the subject is anti-semetic, but the majority of it leaned in that direction. Surprisingly some was on biblical end-time websites, prophesizing about one world government ( from revelations ), which if you consider one financial power controlling the decisions/politics of the developed world, has some truth to it. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:23:23 AM | Timeposter, you caught the hint and nailed it.
AND you answered Test Pilot's pondering : "I haven't made up my mind as to whom is ultimately responsible in the big scheme of things but I am working on it.
The likely genetically flawed Rothschild family(I hope that gets back to them!) still has controlling interest in Canada's banks, UK, US and more. "They" caused the great depression as a display of power in part. It is easy: get everyone in debt by making interest rates low, print lots of money so it is plentyfull. Make the economy grow! Then raise the interest rates and begin to retract the amount of money supply. Now listen carefully; when "they" cause a depression(or the "business cycle"), money's value doesn't just dissappear. "They" end up owning everything after we have no way to live or our pay debts. All the wealth that existed before the "Great Depression" went to the Money Changers. Of course "they" were nice enough to print out lots of new money and loan it to the US government, AGAIN.
The Rothschild's(some of the Money Changers) do not work alone in this, and are not the only ones to blame for so much world wide pain for so very long. They are near the top of the "pyramid", and I would shake the hand of anyone who would kindly remove their family jewels!
I will give you the names of some organizations that are working "ubove" our governments and toward the "New World Order".
Illuminati, Builderburgers, C.F.R., T.L.C.(not tender loving care!), W.T.O., World Bank(of course), Nazi, UN, The "royal" families, Skull and Bones, Bohemians, Freemasons(at the highest levels), The Vatican, Oh! I almost left out Politicians!, like most of the current party leaders world wide......there are a lot of freaks out there!
Now I actually like the idea of having a world constitution and perhaps government of sorts. BUT not with the evil nuts running things now.
First everybody has to demand that our country's create Publically Owned, Government Money, not gold based either. Then there has to be a hugh independent investagation into how things got so out of hand, and who was at fault. And I for one suggest to take all that they own and share it with all the rest of us! And take their inbread family jewels as well. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:45:45 AM | Paige. I didn't forget you.
You wrote "Well i simply dont want the Conservatives in power because I dont want that homophobic conservative back in power putting human rights back I dont know how many years".
I agree 100%. Were screwed if we go left or right. Maybe "they" are hoping that the Bloc will win so as to finally break up Canada. The "Money Changers" the NWO freaks are now calling most of the shots. And "they" control the media. It seems to me, since nothing in politics happens by accident, that the Liberals are giving the election away- with all the "scandle". You can dig up dirt on most of them, left or right. I think "the plan" is for the Liberals to take a back seat and get out of sight before we all know the really bad crap they pulled.
The current agenda of the "real powers" seems to have the Conservatives doing their dirty work for awhile. And of course most of Canadians will believe the polls and vote Conservative.
Paige, I suggest you go to greenparty dot ca and read their platform. I think you will like what you see. AND take the time to look at their faces. Then look at the faces of members of the other parties. That was the clincher for me. I would rather have inexpierence and good intentioned people in charge of the government than expierenced and "bought and payed for" people. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:49:18 AM | Yes it's true.
A vote for the Liberals is a vote for War.
A vote for Conservatives is a vote for homophobia.
Then there's the question if any other vote will matter.
It probably would if everyone completely understood the seriousness of the two major flaws above. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:50:40 AM | | The other parties have screwed up the country long enough. I am willing to give the inexperienced, untried party a try. They can't screw up anything worse than it already is. Maybe THEy will actually do what is right for our country and it's people.. for a short while at least. Once they get in, I am sure they will be threatened or bought like the rest of them. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:07:31 AM | So let's weigh the others...shall we....pros and cons style...
The Green Party
* Against war
* About the obvious need for using energy wisely and finding new resources,
instead of stealing it and going to war with other countries.
Sounds pretty smart and good to me. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 2:14:40 PM | I see Norway has the right idea....
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article338009.ece
Disaster Planning: Norway builds a 'doomsday vault'
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 12 January 2006
Norway has revealed a plan to build a "doomsday vault" hewn out of an Arctic mountain to store two million crop seeds in the event of a global disaster.
The store is designed to hold all the seeds representing the world's crops and is being built to safeguard future food supplies in the event of widespread environmental collapse.
"If the worst came to the worst, this would allow the world to reconstruct agriculture on this planet," Cary Fowler, the director of the Global Crop Diversity Trust, told New Scientist magazine. The Norwegian government is planning to start work on the seed vault next year when construction engineers will drill into a sandstone mountain on the island of Spitsbergen, part of the Svalbard archipelago, about 600 miles from the North Pole.
Permafrost will keep the vault below freezing point and the seeds will be further protected by metre-thick walls of reinforced concrete, two airlocks and high-security, blast-proof doors. To survive, the seeds need to be frozen. The plan is to replace the air inside the vault each winter, when temperatures on Spitsbergen fall to minus 18C.
"This will be the world's most secure gene bank by some orders of magnitude," said Dr Fowler. "But its seeds will only be used when all other samples have gone for some reason. It is a fail-safe depository, rather than a conventional seed bank." The £1.67m facility will not be permanently manned but "the mountains are patrolled by polar bears".
The proposal is backed by Norway, which outlined a similar project in the 1980s that was thwarted at the time by the Soviet Union's access to Spitsbergen.
Wera Helstroem, a spokeswoman for Norway's foreign ministry said: "Norway is seen as a good place, because it has a stable society and democracy."
The number of seeds and types of plants would be determined by the countries wishing to use the seed bank, which would be operated as if it were a bank vault, she added. "It is like a bank box. We own the vault, but other countries own what is in it. They can put things in and take them out whenever they want to."
Norway has revealed a plan to build a "doomsday vault" hewn out of an Arctic mountain to store two million crop seeds in the event of a global disaster.
The store is designed to hold all the seeds representing the world's crops and is being built to safeguard future food supplies in the event of widespread environmental collapse.
"If the worst came to the worst, this would allow the world to reconstruct agriculture on this planet," Cary Fowler, the director of the Global Crop Diversity Trust, told New Scientist magazine. The Norwegian government is planning to start work on the seed vault next year when construction engineers will drill into a sandstone mountain on the island of Spitsbergen, part of the Svalbard archipelago, about 600 miles from the North Pole.
Permafrost will keep the vault below freezing point and the seeds will be further protected by metre-thick walls of reinforced concrete, two airlocks and high-security, blast-proof doors. To survive, the seeds need to be frozen. The plan is to replace the air inside the vault each winter, when temperatures on Spitsbergen fall to minus 18C.
"This will be the world's most secure gene bank by some orders of magnitude," said Dr Fowler. "But its seeds will only be used when all other samples have gone for some reason. It is a fail-safe depository, rather than a conventional seed bank." The £1.67m facility will not be permanently manned but "the mountains are patrolled by polar bears".
The proposal is backed by Norway, which outlined a similar project in the 1980s that was thwarted at the time by the Soviet Union's access to Spitsbergen.
Wera Helstroem, a spokeswoman for Norway's foreign ministry said: "Norway is seen as a good place, because it has a stable society and democracy."
The number of seeds and types of plants would be determined by the countries wishing to use the seed bank, which would be operated as if it were a bank vault, she added. "It is like a bank box. We own the vault, but other countries own what is in it. They can put things in and take them out whenever they want to." | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:07:33 PM | Ok here is an actual Conspiracy "Theory" for you to chew on:
1St. I do not believe that the story, about Bush spying on Americans, was leaked by accident.
There are a few things to consider here. Keep in mind [problem, reaction, solution].
-The New York times held onto that story about Bush illegally spying for over a year!
-The Patriot Act was not renewed!
-Bush & NSA/CIA had no leagle right to do this! Not even as Bush tells it, that he has more rights at war time. War was never declared anyway. He should be in jail right now; no, actually he should have already been there for years.
-The US government already had access to fast leagle warrants to deal with terrorists; "they" did not have any need for further powers, nor a free for all spying quest.
-To avoid the laws, most countries already spy on each other and then share the info., have for many years.
This has got to be a setup, and the best theory I have heard is from Alex Jones, who suggests that Bush and his gang are planning another "terrorist" attack. When it happens "they" will blame it on the people that stopped Bush and the gang from spying, and those that have been fighting for peoples rights. The people that truly care for a free country will be labeled the enemy. Bush(those that tell him what to do that is) will have declared martial law and will further take rights away to "protect" Americans. I am sure "they" are planning more "terrorist" attacks to further take rights away. The "leaked" spying story suggests they are near ready. 2006 will be an interesting year.
Theory#2 There is an act (NASARA), that plans to overthrow the US government legally. Although I hope they succeed, I believe it is another takeover of the money supply. They have "their" new money ready to go now(Gold backed). The act has been passed, "they say", but has not been announced.
By the way, the last fake US election was mainly between Bush and Kerry. Left and Right. Both are members of "Skull and Bones". They are cousins too. Bushes brother running Florida. Bush's uncle I think, was newly put in charge of security at the WTC just before 9/11. And of course daddy had his back. Bushes grandfather traded with the enemy, supporting Hitler. The Bush family is a crime family. Their wealth first came from laundering money, and marrying money.
It is much harder to find out about our Canadian "leaders". We are "better controlled" than Americans. Our media is more controlled. I will bet that if we dig deep though, we will find that our leaders are just as corrupt. They would not be there long if they were not corrupt. The Money Changers would remove them or find a way to control them. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:47:20 PM | Latestfish, you asked "Did they really intend to create those enemies? Or was it the application of a dysfunctional foreign policy...I don't know."
If you look through back issues of Time magazine you will see that their "man of the year" issues feature full page pictures of: Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin(twice), Roosevelt(three times), Osama bin Laden/Rudolph Giuliani, George Bush, Paul Martin. There are many more that were at first considered friends and later became enemies. Sadam was a friend, the terrorists used to be freedom fighters, on and on.
Yes latestfish "they" really do create their own enemies. And "they" make fortunes off the wars that "they" start. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:44:23 PM | From what I understand Bin Laden aligned himself with the US in order to fight the soviet occupation of Afghanistan with the understanding that when the occupation was over, the US would withraw its tentacles.
Of course they cannot do that because they feel that they have an 'in', not realizing that this man really did want to be left alone and was willing to go to any lengths to make this so.
He may have had access to oodles of cash, but it's not easy to make a formidable fighting force without drawing attention.
The next best thing is guerilla warfare as it is small, easily managable, and best of all: These people believe in their cause so fiercely that they are willing to die for it. It's labelled terrorism because the attacks do not differentiate civilian targets from military targets.
They call it a holy war against infidels. Depends on your side of the fence. If muslims die directly or indirectly from actions perpetrated by the US they call it terrorism. The US calls it foreign policy.
Saddam Hussein was the lesser of two evils and the US attempted to back his government in an effort to have more pro western support in the middle east. Now whether the US did something to cross him, or if Saddam never intended to honour his alignment I do not know.
The question was not about whether or not the US creates their enemies, it was more about whether or not it is done intentionally...ie: "Hey there's there's this leader lets go piss him off so we have another war to fight." Or: "Hey there's this leader we need to align with us, but lets keep changing the deal in our favour because he'd never think of going up against the US." More likely than not a little of both. | |
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