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Posted: 4/19/2006 8:03:35 AM | | April 19th.. 12 noon. Gold has already gone up more than $9...that's bad BTW; it means the money is worth less. Bush is going to bomb Iran soon. A major crash and depression is likely as is WW3. If you have any money, turn it into something usefull. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2006 7:06:49 PM | Looks like an old thread, but can I add my two cents?
I think that the majority of the conspiracy theories exist because they are true. Noone thinks that Bush is conspiring to take over Nova Scotia, but lots of people are aware of what he is up to. Just like the saying, "Anything you can conceive you can make a reality", it could be said, "Any conspiracy you can perceive is based on reality."
In the Western World we fight over money and sex. In the rest of the world people fight over religion and retaliation. We cannot pretend to understand a world so far from our own.
Here's a few theories of mine:
1.Bush and Rumsfeld (spelling?) and Rice and others conspired to demolish the WTC so they could steal an estimated 160 Billion in gold from the underground vaults.
2.Chretien, Martin and Harper play golf together and count the money they have stolen from the hard-working Canadian population.
3.Wal-Mart wants to expand into my living room until they can force me out and charge me rent to sit on my own sofa.
4.Tim Hortons is selling engineered crack-coffee.
5.Nobody gives a rat's ass what I think, you think, or anybody else thinks, unless there is something in it for themselves.
6.Money can't buy you happiness, because there is no such thing as happiness because happiness is relative. But it can buy you everything else!
7.This one's not a theory, but an interesting question... Why does the company I buy life insurance from not seem to care if I live or die? I'm talking about a hundred thousand dollar policy. If I owed a collection agency just a hundred dollars they would call me twice a day until the day I die. My guess is that it's because when I die they aren't going to pay up!
8.Last, but not least - Even though we are a free country, supposedly, why do I feel like if I speak out I might lose my job, get arrested and so on? Why is it that when protesters show up and protest somethnig they feel strongly about they are always ignored by the proponents of the matter they are protesting? Isn't there any way to get through to those who choose not to listen at all?
That's all I dare say for now. Already I'm scared they're listening....
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Posted: 5/8/2006 8:06:33 PM | Touchbottom, LOL; I had forgotton about the gold under the WTC! It was even mentioned once on the TV "news" on 9/11. Never mentioned again, of course. Who do you suppose stole it? If memory serves, there were holdings from several countries. Maybe it wasn't stolen! Maybe it was just relocated? Wouldn't you insure a big pile of gold? Was there ever an insurance claim for it? Oh!... shhhhhh, were not supposed to think about that...ooops.
Well I don't know when Bush and gang want to start bombing Iran. If I were to guess I would say something big is planned for 06/06/06; but what? May 1st. Bush and friends had their illegal illegal protests. Yes "they" organized it, not the illegals. May 1st. is Mayday and is a satanic holliday I have read. "They" are freaks when it comes to numbers and dates and astrology. 9/11??? Emergency number??? Come on, people don't really think that is coiensidence? 911 days later Madrid train bombing? Another coiensidence. Middle eastern Masonic degrees 9-11 are "symbolized" by beheadings.
At any rate, if people can't see that Bush and company and their controllers, are picking a fight with Iran....well I give up. I have been telling people for close to 3 years now that Iran is the next target. Some day soon people who have read this, and people I have spoken with, are going to have to ask themselves how a simple Nova Scotian could have known this. It's real simple folks; these nut cases that are running the planet sometimes write down their plans! Their plans are for hundreds of years so most people live and die seeing so small a piece of the plan, that it is effectively invisible.
"The lust for money is the root of all evil"...some say. The puppet masters create money! They want everything! They are cold evil greedy and when you understand that about "them", then you can figure out their next move and the reasons things are the way they are. Follow the money.
BTW "they" truly are nuts. The DU being spread around the globe will likely sterilize the planet. "They" are killing themselves as well, but they don't seem to care...they may be incapable of caring.
Bush just referred to the "war on terror" as WW3 in case anyone cares.... | |
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Posted: 5/8/2006 8:21:26 PM | Its been awhile since i last posted in here.......not sure i want to now....but i just got back online.....
No doubts we're in world war 3...a silent war. Iran isnt going to be bombed anytime soon......but silently, lots of fueled up aggression is constantly building inside the hearts and minds of leaders.
As Nostradomous once wrote, so many years ago. This war will last many years.....between human tragedy and natures wrath......sad days are ahead for the many.
But like all good things......mankind isnt doomed nor will he fall.
Many people die....everyone dies...but mankind is here forever...
Like it or not.
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Posted: 5/9/2006 8:38:36 AM | I understand Justin, I've kind of been there too. I was so much more productive on the internet before POF.
It's a conspiracy to give us or more tools to procrastinate with  | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:47:22 AM | Here is a conspiracy that I KNOW is true...
Dinosauroid-like Alien Reptiles are dominating the World
Christine Fitzgerald, a confidante of Diana, Princess of Wales, claims that Diana told her that the Royal Family were Reptilian aliens, and that they could shapeshift.
David Icke's --BBC reporter-- claims that humanity is actually under the control of dinosauroid-like alien reptiles who must consume human blood to maintain their human appearance.
"Evidence" goes from Sumerian tablets describing the "Anunnaki" (which he translates as "those who from heaven to earth came"), to the serpent in the Biblical Garden of Eden, to child abuse, fluoridation, and the genealogical connections between the Bush family and the House of Windsor.
Icke theorizes that the reptilians came here from the constellation Draco. Like most conspiracy theories, falsification of Icke's hypotheses is nearly impossible, but Icke continues to sell books and give speaking engagements based on concepts ranging from the New Age to his political opinions. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2006 6:52:28 AM | The US is already bombing Iran to be technicial. Who do you think the terrorists are in Iran! Funny how Haliberton,****Chaney's old company, doesn't get attacked in Iran. Iran is now trading oil in Euros instead of the US dollar. China is buying it with Euros. Russia is doing great and is paying off its debt to the Paris Club, while cutting back holdings of forreign currency. The US dollar is screwed; unless of course "they" destroy Iran's economy and China's oil supply. The tv "news" says that the Canadian economy is doing great. Not true. All you have to see is the price of gold; it is going up as the dollar becomes worth less. The Neo Cons and Banksters are getting desparate as lots of people are getting clued in.
I hope you all know that the "video" of something hitting the Pentagon is garbage, and does not prove anything. I have had 5 frames of that same "video" for several years. The pentagon first lied and said there was no videos, after going around collecting all of them. Then when an actual conspiracy THEORY was created, truck bomb!, to try to explain the lack of bodies and wreckage and damage; the pentagon released 5 frames of a video they didn't have. The frames were dated Sept. 12th! The frames themselves prove it was not an airliner. Now "they" have added a couple more frames and call it a video. They made it even more blury to fool some people. The mainstream media doesn't show you the thousands of other smoking guns that prove 9/11 was an inside job.
Xerogravity. David Icke is a researcher and reporter. He is not making things up, he is reporting. He did not translate Sumerian. He reported that Anunnaki has been translated to mean "those who from heaven to earth come". I think there is a lot more to this story and one should reserve judgement here. This subject is too difficult to prove and even more difficult to grasp. I have also read of "shapeshifting" while channeling and due to split personalities.
Xerogravity, how is it that you "know" that what David reports is true? Have you seen something yourself or are you just screwing with people?
Diana was murdered, BTW. It's obvious when you examine the facts. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 3:14:33 PM | It is so much harder to find truth about Canada than the US. Here is a good web site where you can find out what the puppets like Paul Martan and Stephen Harper have really been up to: globalresearch dot ca/index.php?context=region®ionId=2 (takes you to the Canadian section). Liberals and so called Conservatives are both working for the New World Order. Say goodby to the US, Canada, and Mexico, and say hello to the North American Union! Hope everyone likes being a slave.
I won't even waste my time with the so called Canadian terrorists. If people can't see the lies and manipulation in this story they never will. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 6:26:40 PM | david icke is a hoot.
had an old roomie who was into Coast to Coast with Art Bell/George Noory, and used to listen to all the time. got tired of tunes on my mp3 player recently so started collecting them. heard his reptilian theory before. can't say i prescribe to them wholeheartedly however, and the reptilian angle a bit much. he does however base his arguments in some good backgrounds, like the world being run by a small related group of folks starting in middle east. but there is a southern californian professor who's done a book on why the middle east more condusive to sustaining a big population first. many annual grains growing there readily, animals handy that could be domesticated easily, fertile euphrates and europe having a latitudinal geography and climate where these farming techniques could be transported across the continent, hence indo-europe first big populations sustained. and as far as rich guys being related to royalty, rich merchants had tried to marry nobility for the social status throughout european history, look at the hapsburgs, that ugly chin went to every noble house, lol. charlemagne claimed to be a descendent of mary mag and J.C., but that was politically expedient for him, and besides, shake anyone's family tree and a french chick falls out, lol. i personally think there are more pragmatic reasons for a closed ruling class, and feel david icke stretches things a bit too far, but he makes for good intelligent conspiracy fodder.
the real culprit however, would be garden gnomes and they're world control conspiracy. think about it, the mapping the human g-nome? hmmm? i'd go into greater detail, but you'll have to await the mike-ifesto, and my coast to coast interview. i won't a swanky mug or something. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2006 4:24:40 PM | | A good read is The Biggest Secret by David Icke | |
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Posted: 7/15/2006 4:24:41 PM | While customizing my google homepage with content, I came across this site/content addition:
http://truthout.org/
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Posted: 7/15/2006 7:31:34 PM | I think there is a conspiracy to keep people stupid.
The tool used to do it is mass media. I've read studies that indicate that the more people regularly watch television news the less informed they actually are.
Television news is designed to be entertainment and don't fool yourself into thinking they have a higher agenda than that. When it comes to times of war, media does little in the way of investigative reporting but instead promotes whatever propoganda the government is spreading.
War time reports usually consist of government press releases which are not actually questioned. This is not unbiased when you don't present an opposing point of view. Only providing one side of story is VERY biased but quite often that's exactly what mass media does.
It is in the government's best interest to keep people ill-informed of things such as foreign policy. The releases they put out are meant to generate support for their initiatives...NOT give the voting population an accurate picture. When our countries mess up, its often given brief mention in news media and when we do good, its often promoted. This goes on even worse in the United States I find but our government is guilty of it too.
What this does is it collectevily re-writes the history of events in the minds of the viewers. Even when they do report on things that might appear anti-government position its usually done in such a low-key way as to not let itself set in to the memory of viewers.
The more television we watch, the easier we are to manage. We are less likely to rock the boat because are brains are too busy being entertained by the box.
As you might have guessed, I don't watch a whole lot of television. I go through the odd phases when I'll watch more but I couldn't really tell you what was on or when. I just find its a tool to escape from a reality that I don't need to escape from....people just try to tell you that you need to escape from it. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 1:17:11 PM | Yeah! Polly_G. Eyes open what? You are correct, we are being deliberatly dummed down and not just by the media(check out my spelling) :-( Our favorite shows and movies also plant falsehoods disinfo and outright lies. You can not see it till you have spent some time learning news and science and history from independent sources, and of course you have to be very open minded. It's easy to believe the lies because no one wants to believe that the people we vote for are crooked and controlled, or that we have been lied to all our lives.
Our school books/system, churches, TV and the media, industry, and especially food additives are all being used to make us less informed and less intelligent and scared...easier to manipulate. There is a book I have not read but has good reviews called "The dumbing down of America". Worth a look.
I have been offline for a bit as lightning took out two of my computers. This one is working now that I bypassed the burnt section of my motherboard. The other is a big paperweight. Now I have 7 computers that can go online :-) in case it strikes twice!
I would like everyone to get ready as WW3 starts very soon(couple months I imagine). Iran is NOT the bad guy in this. Sure there have been basterds running things in Iran, some put in power by the US. No evidence or facts are being offered by the mainstream media. It is the same as Bushes WMD's. All Lies.
Israel had plans to bomb the crap out of their neighbours back at least to 2001, and likely as far back as Israel's creation. This has nothing to do with two captured soldiers. The mainstream media calls Israel's attacks and invasion a "ground defensive". It is nothing but offensive! Israel is targetting the innocent in the plan to draw other countries into their mess/madness. The US "government"...actually, the globalists, money changers, want to use nuclear weapons and want everyone to believe that it is unfortunately necessary; just like "they" did with Perle harbor. The churches are telling people that Iran is the antichrist and the media is starting to call anyone that doesn't like war and corruption, insergents.
Further I would like to point out that ALL major terrorist attacks in modern times have been conducted by western countries; all of them. This "terrorist" threat in the UK is yet another staged event to take more rights away. Now if you are carring a baby bottle and baby, you are a potential terrorist, and must be searched. What about all the women with false tits...shouldn't someone be checking those? Put your hands down guys! How about the liquids in our bladders. Come on, if someone really wants to blow up planes with liquids then wouldn't it be better to hide them internally. Perhaps a surgen should cut everyone open too to have a look before getting onboard. It's just crazyness, and the madmen are running the nut house.
This forum has been a bit of an experiment for me to see if I can help people to at least take another look. I don't know if I am much help. Where I live in the country, the vast majority don't want to know anything. I have given people over 40 documentaries and they are too scared of truth to even watch them. They would rather let the TV's talking heads lie to them.
It's a very sad thing but when I look around I see a lot of people that will be dead soon. I don't get attached easily for this reason. There is a lot I could offer this world in invention and ideas, but why bother? I am a very spiritual person who knows I can not be killed so I have no worries for me, but I do hope to survive what's coming so that many many years from now I can teach those left, how to stop this from happening again. I came here for this reason...no I don't mean POF. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 8:01:44 AM |
There are many things we are not shown, for example, pay attention to coverage in media, it's very one sided.
I think the US fear meter was at Ernie-Bert-Elmo yesterday...
Throw in a few random apparent terrorist activies that are unsuccessful in the UK just to keep people afraid and make them think the US is doing something important.
Not to mention US one sided aide to kill civlians which hasn't gone against basic human rights yet?!!!
Hmmmm
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Posted: 8/12/2006 9:27:36 AM | Every time the UK or US administrations approval ratings go down, ben Laden or reasonable look alike, pops up, or a new alledged terrorist attack takes place, or a 9/11 style inside job is done. The threat level meter is like a remote control to raise or lower fear and tension. I imagine the puppet masters have quite the laugh at how well it works.
So now "they" need a large UN army to try to stop the murder and destruction that "they" started. Of course the UN forces will be attacked and will have to be increased. Another step toward one world government control.
Everyone is blaming Iran for supplying weapons(no proof) to the freedom fighters, yet like kismetrickarma points out, the US has and is supplying Israel with their weapons, and both Israel and the US governments and forces are using WMD, illegal weapons, and breaking all international and homeland laws and Geneva conventions; not to mention destroying the constitutions and bill of rights that these so called leaders took oaths to protect. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 9:54:17 AM | We are not being paranoid enough. Things are much worse than what has been mentioned.
Example: I mentioned the Codex that Paul Martin signed while most people were asleep. I have read predictions that say this Codex will cause about 3 billion deaths. The "plan" is to kill around 6 billion or so.
When people are actually out to kill you and your family and you are concerned; that is not being paranoid. It's called facing reality, being open minded, awake, aware, and caring about this little planet. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 10:40:07 AM |
Everyone is blaming Iran
Personally i think the world is not blaming them enough. I want the UN to take serious, Irans place in all of this. For it will be Iran, either by their hands or by ones that they shelter. That causes the most harm to the most people in not so many years from now. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 11:25:59 AM |
I have read predictions that say this Codex will cause about 3 billion deaths. The "plan" is to kill around 6 billion or so.
When people are actually out to kill you and your family and you are concerned; that is not being paranoid. It's called facing reality, being open minded, awake, aware, and caring about this little planet.
Yeah, right!!!! That's it, that's the "plan".
I would say you are paranoid enough. Do you walk down the street constantly turning your head to see if the person behind you is going to kill you.  | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 2:13:51 PM | Don't get me started on Israel. The post will be a mile long.
All I will say is this. Europeans and Western countries have actually caused the unrest that's going on over there. People tend to forget history when they have governments willing to provide them with something far more pallitable to ease their conscious.
I find that the real reasons things are being solved over there is because they won't look at the real causes to the problems. To do so, would admit fault. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 2:35:19 PM | ^^^^ all true.
But....
The answer is not in the memories or the facts of the past. No matter what culture, what state, what country, they have all commited crimes in the past. When today is acknowledged instead of only past memories. Will peoplekind be able to live as one. Only then, will people find the answers.
The answers are ....civility in everything. I mean everything.
People can't live in the past, it only brings a bad future. On the smallest of scales, peoplekind can always change the future.
So even though misdeeds were and have been done in the past. The new future should only be of solutions. They can't be found by replacing people anymore. This is a new time. A new day. Hopefully leaders can find a way.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 3:27:02 PM | Staged Airline Hoaxes;
US says: Be Afraid, We Want You To Be Afraid!
You being afraid justifies our movements and activites.
What do you think? The t r u t h o u t Town Meeting is in progress. Join the debate!
Also see below:
Blair Forewarned Bush of Terror Threat to US Airlines • http://truthout.org
Bush Seeks Political Gains From Plot
The Daily Telegraph UK
Friday 11 August 2006
US President George W. Bush seized on a foiled London airline bomb plot today to hammer unnamed critics he accused of having all but forgotten the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Weighed down by the unpopular war in Iraq, Mr Bush and his aides have tried to shift the national political debate from that conflict to the broader and more popular global war on terrorism ahead of November 7 congressional elections.
The London conspiracy is "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation," the president said on a day trip to Wisconsin.
"It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America," he said. "We've taken a lot of measures to protect the American people. But obviously we still aren't completely safe."
His remarks came a day after the White House orchestrated an exceptionally aggressive campaign to tar opposition Democrats as weak on terrorism, knowing what Democrats didn't: News of the plot could soon break.
Vice President****Cheney and White House spokesman Tony Snow had argued that Democrats wanted to raise what Mr Snow called "a white flag in the war on terror", citing as evidence the defeat of a three-term Democratic senator who backed the Iraq war in his effort to win renomination.
But Bush aides today fought the notion that they had exploited their knowledge of the coming British raid to hit Democrats, saying the trigger had been the defeat of Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut by an anti-war political novice.
"The comments were purely and simply a reaction" to Democratic voters who "removed a pro-defence Senator and sent the message that the party would not tolerate candidates with such views," said Mr Snow.
The public relations offensive "was not done in anticipation. It was not said with the knowledge that this was coming," the spokesman said.
Mr Snow said Mr Bush first learned in detail about the plot on Saturday, and received two detailed briefings on it on Sunday and Monday, as well as had two conversations about it with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
But a senior White House official said that the British government had not launched its raid until well after Mr Cheney held a highly unusual conference call with reporters to attack the Democrats as weak against terrorism.
An aide to Senator Lieberman, who would have been one of the first Democrats to hear of the plot because he is the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said the lawmaker first heard of it on Thursday.
On Thursday, Mr Cheney had suggested that Democrats believe "that somehow we can retreat behind our oceans and not be actively engaged in this conflict and be safe here at home, which clearly we know we won't, we can't, be," he said.
While some Democrats have opposed some steps in the war on terrorism, and more and more are calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, no major figures in the party have called for a wholesale retreat in the broader conflict.
But Mr Bush's Republicans hoped the raid would yield political gains.
"I'd rather be talking about this than all of the other things that Congress hasn't done well," one Republican congressional aide said on condition of anonymity because of possible reprisals.
"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 3:28:50 PM | Staged Airline Hoaxes;
US says: Be Afraid, We Want You To Be Afraid!
You being afraid justifies US movements and activites.
What do you think? The t r u t h o u t Town Meeting is in progress. Join the debate!
Also see below:
Blair Forewarned Bush of Terror Threat to US Airlines • http://truthout.org
Bush Seeks Political Gains From Plot
The Daily Telegraph UK
Friday 11 August 2006
US President George W. Bush seized on a foiled London airline bomb plot today to hammer unnamed critics he accused of having all but forgotten the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Weighed down by the unpopular war in Iraq, Mr Bush and his aides have tried to shift the national political debate from that conflict to the broader and more popular global war on terrorism ahead of November 7 congressional elections.
The London conspiracy is "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation," the president said on a day trip to Wisconsin.
"It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America," he said. "We've taken a lot of measures to protect the American people. But obviously we still aren't completely safe."
His remarks came a day after the White House orchestrated an exceptionally aggressive campaign to tar opposition Democrats as weak on terrorism, knowing what Democrats didn't: News of the plot could soon break.
Vice President****Cheney and White House spokesman Tony Snow had argued that Democrats wanted to raise what Mr Snow called "a white flag in the war on terror", citing as evidence the defeat of a three-term Democratic senator who backed the Iraq war in his effort to win renomination.
But Bush aides today fought the notion that they had exploited their knowledge of the coming British raid to hit Democrats, saying the trigger had been the defeat of Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut by an anti-war political novice.
"The comments were purely and simply a reaction" to Democratic voters who "removed a pro-defence Senator and sent the message that the party would not tolerate candidates with such views," said Mr Snow.
The public relations offensive "was not done in anticipation. It was not said with the knowledge that this was coming," the spokesman said.
Mr Snow said Mr Bush first learned in detail about the plot on Saturday, and received two detailed briefings on it on Sunday and Monday, as well as had two conversations about it with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
But a senior White House official said that the British government had not launched its raid until well after Mr Cheney held a highly unusual conference call with reporters to attack the Democrats as weak against terrorism.
An aide to Senator Lieberman, who would have been one of the first Democrats to hear of the plot because he is the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said the lawmaker first heard of it on Thursday.
On Thursday, Mr Cheney had suggested that Democrats believe "that somehow we can retreat behind our oceans and not be actively engaged in this conflict and be safe here at home, which clearly we know we won't, we can't, be," he said.
While some Democrats have opposed some steps in the war on terrorism, and more and more are calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, no major figures in the party have called for a wholesale retreat in the broader conflict.
But Mr Bush's Republicans hoped the raid would yield political gains.
"I'd rather be talking about this than all of the other things that Congress hasn't done well," one Republican congressional aide said on condition of anonymity because of possible reprisals.
"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances.
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Blair Forewarned Bush of Terror Threat to US Airlines
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The Guardian UK
Friday 11 August 2006
Decision to sanction raids took ministers by surprise. First Cobra meeting took place late on Wednesday.
Downing Street admitted Tony Blair would not have left the country on Monday for his Caribbean holiday if he had known the police would need to swoop so quickly to disrupt a terrorist plot. He has known about it in general terms for months, and has spoken to President George Bush about it on a number of occasions. The two leaders discussed it in more detail on Sunday, during a conversation on a secure line in which the prime minister outlined what he knew of the British cell being monitored by the security services.
Downing Street officials said he had also mentioned the specific surveillance operation. Mr Blair warned the president that it showed there was a specific threat to US airlines and urged total secrecy, warning premature leaks would destroy the monitoring of the group.
From his holiday home, he spoke again to Mr Bush on Wednesday around 8pm UK time, again mentioning the security threat, but primarily discussing fresh plans to break the deadlock at the UN on the Middle East. Hours later police and security services were in contact with their US partners to say a specific threat was being acted upon.
The decision to sanction the raids took ministers by surprise. Douglas Alexander, the transport secretary, was on holiday in Mull on Wednesday when he was told by security officials he needed to be briefed on a threat to UK aviation. The official flew to Mull, and he was told there was a plot to blow up planes simultaneously.
Mr Alexander immediately decided he needed to be in London. So an RAF helicopter was flown to the island and he was taken to London in time for the first Cobra meeting that began a little before midnight. John Reid, the home secretary, chaired the meeting, which included senior figures from the security services, defence chiefs and Metropolitan police.
The discussion centred on how to handle the likely transport disruption yesterday as well as the economic and community implications of the raid. It was also agreed that Mr Reid should brief the leaders of the opposition parties. John Prescott, the deputy leader and in charge in the prime minister's absence, was not at the meeting.
Midnight Meeting
Largely the same group met again at 5am yesterday - midnight US time - to discuss the details of the raid, and how to handle the media, including the early morning statements from Mr Reid and Mr Alexander as well as the need to involve local communities in the fight against terrorism.
Mr Prescott was given the job of speaking to constituency MPs about the reasons for the raid but was not give a prominent media role. The communities minister, Meg Munn, spoke to Muslim religious leaders.
No 10 was reluctant to go into details of exactly how much Mr Blair has known about the scale of the plot in the past few months. Some of the near desperate tone in Mr Blair's speeches, especially in Los Angeles, suggest he was exercised by the levels of alienation of Muslim opinion in the Middle East and Britain. British foreign policy was not perceived to be even-handed or just, he conceded, even if he offered no criticism of the invasion of Iraq or the scale of Israeli bombings in Lebanon.
He said radical Muslims were backward looking, intolerant and a perversion of true Islam. But he seemed acutely aware that there had to be a new push towards solving the Palestinian problem once the Lebanese crisis was settled. He has also stressed at his Downing Street press conferences that there was a tendency in too many Muslim groups to give ground to those who argued British foreign policy justified terrorism. He said with open frustration that British Muslim leaders needed to be a lot more aggressive to confront such thinking.
The foiling of the alleged plot also fuelled the demands for a recall of parliament originally made to debate the British approach to the Lebanese crisis.
Shahid Malik, the Labour MP for Dewsbury, argued : "I think today's events may well have an impact, but I think the momentum was always there. We want to make sure that the representations made to us by our constituents are actually debated in the chamber of the house. I think that is the democratic thing to do."
Mr Malik has been one of many Muslim MPs who have questioned the degree to which the government followed up the recommendations of taskforces set up by ministers in the wake of 7/7 designed to ensure Muslims remained fully bonded into British society.
Praise
On the Tory and Liberal Democrat benches there was no attempt to make political capital. The shadow home secretary, David Davis, confined himself to praise for the security services.
The Tory MP Paul Goodman, whose constituency includes High Wycombe, spoke for many Tories when he said it was an "inexpressibly sad day" for the town, where community relations were "traditionally good".
He said the events highlighted two key points: "First, that the vast majority of Muslims in High Wycombe and elsewhere are peaceful and law-abiding citizens and that any hostile action towards them is reprehensible. Second, that all Muslims must strive ceaselessly to condemn, confront and root out support for terror from their communities. Loyalty to Britain and its way of life must come first."
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