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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/1/2007 8:42:34 PM | designingwoman;
"I believe in both God and aliens. However, alien persons are just too far away for them to get here. We aren't capable of interstellar travel, and I believe that the people on planets out in the galaxy and beyond are not as well. The vast distances of space make it highly unlikely that someone will visit us from another world."
Aliens not only exist, but aliens are what we are... to the aliens.
The argument about "distance of space" is so out-dated! It's the sort of thing that still gets banded around because science cannot provide us with a better one yet. Do you suppose these craft run on rocket fuel too? lol
Inter-dimenional projection through worm holes sounds much more feasible... why be a party-pooper? 
BTW Jesus ascended in a cloud... he didn't have a spaceship apparently... or did he? | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/1/2007 9:35:34 PM | I beleive in aliens, but can't say I've ever encountered one! I have always said, if there truly was one God who created all of the heavens and all of the earth, why the hell would he only put life form on just one planet? Wouldn't that be a waste of his time or energy? Some may argue "we need eachother to co-exsist", while that may be true, don't you think that an almighty God could have created one planet and made it able to sustain on it's own? After all..he IS God, right? Not sure why there'd be so many pretty ornaments out in space if nothing was populating it. If I ever get probed by an alien tho..you guys will be the first to know
Aliens not only exist, but aliens are what we are... to the aliens
The term Alien only means someone that belongs to a different family, people or place. So you are right, if there are other life forms, to them we are aliens. | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/2/2007 6:53:26 PM | Sweet... I was often informed the immensity of the universe is itself a sign of "God's Almightiness", further, that "new books will be opened to us" (presumable to explain what was already explained?) Confused? I know I am. Or maybe the "New books" will include other worldly beings that are hither, unknowable to us?
Some believe that the moon has alien bases on its dark side, and that NASA is aware and has been aware of this since before the first moon landings took place in the sixties. More... that we were warned off further landings, and this is why no more came about. As incredible as this sounds, the plot thickened when astronauts backed up this claim. Now, before anyone tries shooting me down here, I am going on what I read and obtained on video footage of the said astronauts. Another piece of the scenario was revealed were photographs showing various "structures" had been air-brushed out! UFO activity in orbit and on the moon... and now NASA's own footage of the "Tether UFO's" has hit the net... what's next? Watch this space folks! | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/2/2007 10:27:13 PM | | Your interpretation is right on the money.... no pun intended.... Lest we forget that Lucifer was also the "brightest" angel.... And what is that bright light in Near Death Experiences, anyway!??? Excellent point, River Loon.... | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/3/2007 5:15:52 AM | Mmm, from a theocratic perspective, if Lucifer "was" (past participle) anything, no-one need worry. But I get the picture.
The NDE is a personal thing and cannot be tied down or put in a box, much like the ethereal. We are not able to go there, take samples and bring them back to a lab for analysis.
This is both the gravity and the airy-fairy of the situation. | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/3/2007 5:59:39 PM | The only demon I believe in is a cute little car that Dodge made back in the 1970s. I loved the little Dodge Demon. There are no demons or a Devil.
As for UFOs generally there is an explanation for the phenomena.
I still stand by my belief that there are other persons on other planets. Of course, they would also consider us "aliens". I think, however, that it is unrealistic to expect aliens from other worlds to be visiting us because they are much too far away.
As for angels I would say that they are in Heaven watching over us but that they are not here in this dimension. I think that Heaven is located in a different dimension.
Where do you think Heaven is located? Now that sounds like an interesting question to discuss. | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/4/2007 2:22:40 PM | designingwoman;
"There are no demons or a Devil."
1. Who told you that?
"As for UFOs generally there is an explanation for the phenomena."
2. Only one? Care to enlighten us? Maybe we should call them EFO's.
"I still stand by my belief that there are other persons on other planets. Of course, they would also consider us "aliens". I think, however, that it is unrealistic to expect aliens from other worlds to be visiting us because they are much too far away."
3. Since you like repeating yourself, I should too - What do you think they use.... rocket fuel? If you care to examine other posts (including mine) there are a number of theories regarding space/time/dimension. Not so difficult to comprehend when you read up.
"As for angels, I would say that they are in Heaven watching over us but that they are not here in this dimension. I think that Heaven is located in a different dimension."
4. Ha! You were making observations after all... you used the magic word "dimensions"... yet again, funny how these things exist when it's convenient.
"Where do you think Heaven is located? Now that sounds like an interesting question to discuss."
5. Could it be in another dimension? | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/4/2007 4:37:16 PM |  Dear Ms. Designingwoman: At first I thought you may be atheistic; then I noted your "as for angels I would say that they are in Heaven watching over us...." The fact that you capitalize the "heaven" shows that you believe in some God..... Have you never heard of the "eternal balance?"
 Secondly, what makes you think Angels (without being directly instructed) watch over us? It's my understanding that they all envied Man....
 I've always studied God through mystical insight and intuition.... I've read the Bible, who hasn't.... However, I don't believe everything I read, let alone, written by man.... | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/5/2007 1:14:40 PM | Wow! You really got the party started with this post.
There are so many unanswered questions in regards to our(human) beginings. One thing is for sure, you can't and shouldn't believe everything in the BIBLE. I am a believer in GOD, in the sense that there is 1 creator a creator of all things. I also believe in Aliens and that they interbred with humans, thus came the Rephaims and Nephilims. Which are mentioned in the BIBLE. My whole things is, why let religion and religious beliefs seperate us(humans) more than we already are. There is only one human race on this planet, yet we are all seperated into ethnic races. Religion is just another tool used to keep us(humans) divided and against each other. | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/6/2007 5:41:51 PM | Interbreed with aliens???!!!
You must think the Star Trek universe is real
Oh, yeah, I'll find me a Vulcan hubby, ya right!
Aliens are too far away for humans to have had the opportunity to interact with them. We have not met aliens in real life, sorry to burst your bubble! | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/6/2007 6:03:07 PM | "Throughout the world, very old texts –including the Bible, Sanskrit Vedas, Egyptian tablets, Sumerian and Tibetan texts – describe encounters with visitors and spaceships from other planets."
paulapeterson.com/star_visitors.html | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/6/2007 7:42:27 PM | Wow for such a diverse topic: The Bible, Angels, Demons, UFO's and Aliens, especially a topic that truly none of the above can be deemed true or untrue 100%...there sure are an awful lot of people throwing around their "well its true/it isn't true" opinions masquaraded as facts. All without evidence/sources/stats/sites. Very interesting. Must be the ole need to be right disease going around again.
<div class='quote'>Some believe that the moon has alien bases on its dark side, and that NASA is aware and has been aware of this since before the first moon landings took place in the sixties. More... that we were warned off further landings, and this is why no more came about. As incredible as this sounds, the plot thickened when astronauts backed up this claim. Now, before anyone tries shooting me down here,
I wouldn't doubt it. Nasa has photography and video of UFOS (let's keep in mine people all UFO means is Unidentified Flying Object) from video straight from their spacecraft while landing on Mars. They also have radio communication stating that they saw something and wanted the ground to confirm it. It's happened many times while they've been up and stationed in space. Could it just be flying rock in the universe? Of course it could. But when so many of them have said it looked like another ship, (and I've seen some of the footage, it doesn't look like spacerock) you gotta ask yourself "well maybe...just maybe they did see something". Not to mention the countless tapes I've heard of piliots messaging down to the Air Traffic Controllers asking if there is anything on thier radar because something flew by faster than they are flying, which correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that something like 500 mph?
I'm not saying Aliens/Ufos are true, but I definately don't think I'm in a position to say they aren't. Just like I won't say the Bible isn't true solely because I don't agree/beleive in alot of it's contents. It's not about being right or being wrong, it's about being open to things outside of your own head and line of thinking. Because in the end, no one knows for certain aout any one of the topics in the Subject line. It's the great mystery of life and provided there is an afterlife...we won't be getting correct answers until we are there. By that time tho it probably won't matter! | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/6/2007 9:14:52 PM | For the most part, wishful thinking by people who are looking for a meaning to their meaningless lives. They don’t like the fact, that we might very well be alone, and that the only reason that we are here on this planet, is to feed the earth our bodies when they expire.
GOD= I still need a daddy to tell me that it will all be alright, and worth it at the end. I don’t have to feel bad if someone wrongs me, because they will get their due in the after life. I don’t need to be responsible for my own short comings, because it is the will of the eye in the sky.
Afterlife= It’s ok if I mess up this life, and or if it sucks, because it will be better the next time around.
Atlantis= Wow, there were more advance civilizations before us, how cool is that? The fact that we have mapped just about every square inch of the ocean floor, and have found absolutely no evidence of a sunken pre-historic continent, doesn’t matter. Modern science is not as smart as Plato was, who first wrote about the continent, who was told by an elder, who in turn heard the story from someone else. So what if the continent might have only been a small island off Greece.
Psychic Powers= It’s amaizing how many psychics were able to predict the attack on New York City on 9-12 (not 9-10) or even early in the day on 911. One would figure that the psychic network would have been going crazy with that kind of event coming.
Also, I too can talk with the dead. They all are telling me, that they died of heart failure, and respiratory distress. In other words, they died because their heart stopped, and they were no longer breathing. Move over Sylvia Brown.
Space Aliens= The universe is so grand and endless, there is no way that we could be a simple freak of nature, where a bunch of molecules combined and burst to life, without it happening somewhere else. Our space brothers will some day come and save us from ourselves.
Uhuh, I’ll leave the light on for them.
Government Conspiracies- Though they can’t even keep a simple event, such as the president of the united states receiving oral pleasure from an intern, a secret, THEY ARE ABLE to cover up flying saucers crashing all over the place, the fact that the Illuminate are controlling everything from behind the scenes, the Masons being their front men, Kennedy being shot by three people instead of just one nut job, Bush trying to be King of the world, and that Elvis has not truly left the building.
Mystical Magik- Spelled “Magik”, instead of Magic, because the practitioners of such crap, believe that they are truly superior to the average “sheep,” and they prove it by wearing Halloween costumes all year round, using Magikal spellings, studying Aliens, Dark Gods, Atlantis and such, while practicing their Magikal chants in their parents basement, because they can’t get a real job, in the real world, because they are too superior to have anyone be the boss of them.
Angels, Demons, Gods and Zombies- Interesting that they only show up to people who live in a desert where the sun is bright, and the temperature is HOT, and water is not readily available. I call it delusions, while Magicians and psychics call them super natural.
Funk R Squared- LOL, ok, you got me on that one. | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/7/2007 9:21:25 AM | """"""The Book of Genesis in the Bible explicitly states that a race of non-humans interbred with humans... clearly these were probably ETS........did I mention that?""""""""""""
The apocraphyl Book of Enoch mentions it too: http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/enoch.htm
Also, The Book of Jude also is an apocraphyl book.... BUT is referred to in the Bible as well as some verses and ideas from the Book of Enoch...........
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And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
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And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: 'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryingst up to the gates of heaven. And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High."' And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have
borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are 11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.'
Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech,
and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/7/2007 8:43:48 PM |
""""""The Book of Genesis in the Bible explicitly states that a race of non-humans interbred with humans... clearly these were probably ETS........did I mention that?""""""""""""
Explicitly? Clearly? Apparently you have some "special" edition of the Bible the rest of humanity isn't privy to...
Do you know what "mythology" is? How about the concept of "mythological language" or one culture borrowing the myths and legends from its predecessors and neighbours?
How in holy jumped-up-flipping-Sheh-Ham-Japheth-abellicious did you make the leap of logic that because an ancient text says something about gods or giants that "clearly" these were E.T.s????
Where's the beef???
No offense but really...even Zechariah Sitchin took the time to put together a dodgy back story  | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/11/2007 11:20:29 PM |
""""""The Book of Genesis in the Bible explicitly states that a race of non-humans interbred with humans... clearly these were probably ETS........did I mention that?""""""""""""
The apocraphyl Book of Enoch mentions it too: http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/enoch.htm
Also, The Book of Jude also is an apocraphyl book.... BUT is referred to in the Bible as well as some verses and ideas from the Book of Enoch...........
And the great book of Humpty states, that he sat on a wall, and fell, and was never restored whole again. Yet, where are the remains??
"Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, humpty dumpty had a great fall.....etc.....
It has to be true, it's in A BOOK!!
"God and Gods, Witches and Goblins, only exist in the world of the mind of the believer" This has to be true also, because it is writen!!
Where is it writen? Well, right ^^^ up there. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 11:39:10 PM | I've read the Bible, who hasn't....
One billion, Thirty Five million, Six Hundred Ninety Five Thousand..plus Muslims.
750,000 Mormons
1.8 Billion Hindus
3,400,ooo Jehovah Witnesses
25 Jews
30% of Xtians (Remember the old Testament is part of the Bible, and it does count) | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 3/12/2007 6:20:13 PM | Geneseo;
I don't know what fallacy alley you live down, and I can't speak for the rest, but I can tell you the JW's DO read the Bible. This is not to say they have the right understanding of it (if it's possible) but that's another topic. And it's a bit like your post... way off. | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 4/9/2007 10:26:56 PM |  Dear Ms. DesigningWoman: "We have not met aliens in real life, sorry to burst your bubble!" Tell that to the civilian "Area 51" employees, or better yet to the many USAF pilots who have seen U.F.O.s or NASA astronauts who landed on the Moon.....
Curiously, I ask you exactly how human evolution progressed so far in the past fifty years, compared to the past 14,000.... Con-Edison hired some scientists from Austria?? You may want to get real.... Do you even know what the Theory of Relativity is? How about Super-Accelerators? How about Delta Burke???? | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 4/10/2007 11:32:56 AM | Just because someone sees a UFO, does not make it a alien space craft. It is merely an Un identified Flying Object. It can be many things
Curiously, I ask you exactly how human evolution progressed so far in the past fifty years, compared to the past 14,000....
Perhaps one of the reasons is, that religion has been taken out of science, and researchers are able to do things without some old fart in a robe telling them that it is against some god.
Also, one discovery opens the door to another. Scientists have said, that the world will advance in scientific knowledge x2, every eight years at the rate that we are going.
I find it strange how space cadetes will give credit to everything from little silver men, to the Lochness monster for todays advances, but not the scientists who are hard at work making new discoveries.
As for telling employees in area 51, that space aliens are not kept there, is futile. They already know this. | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 4/10/2007 1:13:02 PM | Right on BreeLand6DV8!!!
It is merely an Un identified Flying Object. It can be many things
Duuuh! Is this telling us something we do not know?
How about... they cannot be flying saucers because they do not exist? Or maybe what people have in mind of alien spaceships does not impress them. So, they don't all have antennas and occupants with doctor Spock ears... how unfortunate. They cannot travel the distance from one planetary system to another cause the nearest one is too far away... these sorts of arguments come from the most naive people in our society or from those who know better and think we are all idiots! | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 4/10/2007 1:25:18 PM |
There are no demons or a Devil.
You speak with such certainty on this issue, how do you know this?
Where do you think Heaven is located? Now that sounds like an interesting question to discuss
I heard before that there are different levels of heaven and hell and the first level of heaven actually only happens to be several feet above earths ground. Interesting.
5. Could it be in another dimension?
Possibly, if you beleive there is such a place as heaven.
One thing is for sure, you can't and shouldn't believe everything in the BIBLE.
I'll go with that one.
Aliens are too far away for humans to have had the opportunity to interact with them. We have not met aliens in real life, sorry to burst your bubble!
Maybe you haven't, but who is to say others haven't? Many have claimed to have encounters but again it's brushed off.
I don't know what fallacy alley you live down
This just made me chuckle..
It is merely an Un identified Flying Object
Whew! Now I can sleep better at night! I'm sure that most people realize that...
I find it strange how space cadetes will give credit to everything from little silver men, to the Lochness monster for todays advances, but not the scientists who are hard at work making new discoveries.
Really? I've never heard anyone give credit for advancments to aliens...where do you live again? Oh right...sky pointed out Fallacy alley *lol*
As for telling employees in area 51, that space aliens are not kept there, is futile. They already know this.
Considering those that work in Area 51 have to sign agreements that they'll never speak of anything done there for something stupid like 80 years, only lends support to the theory that something is going on there that we aren't suppose to know about. Is it Military testing? Is it nothing? Is it aliens? Who knows. But it will keep people wondering. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 2:38:33 PM |
these sorts of arguments come from the most naive people in our society or from those who know better and think we are all idiots!
Yes, I am also so Naive, that I dismiss any claim that a "Flying Saucer" had "All them bright colored lights around it."
Silly me, to believe that if there was an intelligent being from out of space, they would have developed night vision by now.
We have.  | |
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 4/10/2007 2:42:42 PM |
Really? I've never heard anyone give credit for advancments to aliens...where do you live again? Oh right...sky pointed out Fallacy alley *lol* Then you haven't read all of the posts on this forum. Considering those that work in Area 51 have to sign agreements that they'll never speak of anything done there for something stupid like 80 years, only lends support to the theory that something is going on there that we aren't suppose to know about. Is it Military testing? Is it nothing? Is it aliens? Who knows. But it will keep people wondering. There is something going on. It's a military testing site. The "Stealth Bomber" originated there. I have also signed an agreement with the state that I live in, not to give out any "confidental" information that I may come across. So the Aliens are safe in my closet. | |
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