| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/22/2008 9:06:41 AM | Extremely overrated. Nirvana's success was all about perfect timing more than anything else.
His death has elevated his status more than anything he did musically. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/22/2008 11:25:02 AM |
"Courtney Love killed him."
Are you saying Love actually pulled the trigger or that she was such a bad influence that it lead to him killin' himself?
Actually, there are quite a few things that point the finger at her being involved in his death. I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but there are a lot of interesting little tidbits about the case that have never been cleared up. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/22/2008 1:50:24 PM | i give kurt cobain and nirvana major major kudos for killing hair metal and the whole spandex metal movement, other than that nirvana wasnt the greatest 90s band out there.
but then again music is subjective to listener  | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/22/2008 3:18:25 PM |
He was an alright musician that was in the right place at the right time. It happens alot.
*turn down the backstreet boys for a moment*
One thing he wasn't is a paper cut out one hit wonder even though short lived he was a spokesmen at the time for a changing generation,I'd rather remember him for what he gave us rather than judge him for what he wasn't. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/22/2008 5:37:48 PM |
i give kurt cobain and nirvana major major kudos for killing hair metal and the whole spandex metal movement, other than that nirvana wasnt the greatest 90s band out there.
but then again music is subjective to listener
Nirvana didn't kill anything. Time did. 80's metal burned itself out. The decade had come to a close, and it was time to define a new one.
Can you imagine if the 'Smells Like Teen Spirit" video had been shot a few years earlier and MTV tried to squeeze it into heavy rotation while the likes of Poison, Ratt, Whitesnake and Motley Crue were hot? To say it would have flopped would be the understatement of the century.
As I said, it was all about the timing. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/5/2009 10:53:37 AM | | I think Cobain was very talented. Interesting lyrics that encourage more introspection and reflection more than lick my love pump...sorry Spinal Tap was on AMC at 2AM. As to his ability to play guitar. I heard some boot from the early days, when they were local or just new on Sub pop and he was good. EVH would not be worried but better than a lot of names who make a living. They were not about solos and that how most guitar get judged, by that logic Freddie Green from the Count Basie band sucked. So kurt will never get respect, then again Harrison had to tune Lennons guitar for many years. Cobain was a song writer , so Dylan or Springsteen seems more in line that say Vai. All said in done I liked his chord progression and riff and the lyrics were good. Herd a tape of his last show in Rome from the sound board. Alwas made me wonder why he killed himself when the band was that shit hot solid and tight. I think he was a guy who got sick of the hype and realized playing was not fun most of the time ,so shows were hit or miss. That might be the common factor. Lack of Practice, drugs and malise about one place in the world and music is now a job just like working at a fast food joint...that might kill anyones soul or passion to play. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/6/2009 10:27:32 AM | A born lyricist, and I do believe his lyrics were based on alot of things other than just himself.
Suicide or not
He was a clever man | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/6/2009 10:35:00 AM | | I could never understand a word he sang and I think he was an ahole for squandering opportunity, you don't want to be a rockstar, then don't! His greatest asset was his voice, and he was a great crappy guit player.... | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/10/2009 12:35:35 PM | | He was a crappy guitar player??wow, not a chance!!! As for writing lyrics, he didn't always have a starting and ending point, instead was more concerned about how words sounded than what they meant and often changed them while recording to get the song to sound right in his mind.Obviously it worked for him. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/11/2009 4:25:21 PM | Terribly overrated.
Alice in Chains walked all over Nirvana and was the better band. The real talent in Nirvana didn't shine until Kurt blew his head off and Grohl did his own thing. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 7:55:40 PM | I wanted to say something about people saying he was depressed and had drug issues. Yes he did, but it more than that. He also explains that he hated heroin, but he had a very bad case of crohn disease and took all kinda of meds that didn't make the pain go away. Heroin always made the pain go away for him. He bought the gun because he couldn't take the pain and didn't want to be on heroin either. He said many of times he thought about the gun, but he was there that day because of herion.
It's all in his journal that was published about 10 years ago. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/13/2009 8:22:55 PM | | nirvana was great but not the best band of the 90's i have to give that to PANTERA . | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/14/2009 4:31:25 AM | people say he commited suicide.. but there is evidence heavily against it..but they closed the case too soon....
1.) he had enough heroin in him to kill a horse, how would he be able to pick up a shotgun, load it and shoot himself?
2.) there was evidence that the handprints were wiped off of the gun after use, smudges etc.. how does kurt wipe the gun clean after shooting himself?
3.) the suicide letter was altered in different handwriting no less.
More often then not, intelligent minds suffer heavily from depression.. quite a well known fact. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:46:24 AM | | Pantera is definitely not the best band of the 90's, not to mention they're not even in the same genre that's being discussed in this thread. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/14/2009 2:13:44 PM | | i realize they are not in the same genre as nirvana , i was just making the statement IMO pantera was the best band of the 90's . if you wanna talk genre then IMO pearl jam was the best of the 90's grunge . | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 4/14/2009 7:32:47 PM | Alice in Chains was better than both of them. Most of Pearl Jam's shit, while decent, sounded the same and suffered from Eddie Vedder not being able to sing without clenching his ****ing teeth.
Also, how are we deciding what era a band is from since Pantera was formed in the 80's and had four albums out before 1990? Not to mention both Alice in Chains and Nirvana formed in the late 80's.
I suppose if you want to go with when they hit their peak, then we could consider these bands "from the 90's."
In any case, Pantera could be overshadowed by a number of bands either way. I'm not saying they're bad. I listen to a few of their albums, but they are far from the best. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 12:21:41 AM | panteras best albums came out in the 90's . but you are entitled to your opinion . i never was an alice in chains fan . there are ten or twelve bands i'd put ahead of alice in chains . but i respect your opinion . and i never said pearl jam was the best of the 90's just the best grunge band of the 90's but i am always open tp debate . it just depends on your taste . peace bro . | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 5/17/2009 8:30:33 PM | You know, as the years go by, I'm getting very tired of hearing about Cobain with words like "genius" to describe his work ergo he was made into a "saint" when he died and somehow, the mainstream music media puts him on the same platform as John Lennon and so many others who died before him.
Since the 60s, there have been great advances in self-help recovery for struggling addicted people and incredible advances in medicine. Cobain HAD many, MANY chances to help himself, but the industry kept piling on demands for more songs, more tours, the press were all over him like white on rice. All this guy had to do was what Cat Stevens and other musicians did and that was walk away. It was by his CHOICE that he continued to live the life he lived and thus, end it the way he did. Don't even go there with me over the "Courtney was responsible" nonsense, I'm not buying into that conspiracy crap.
Was the man talented? Absolutely. Nirvana, thank God, put an end to the 80s hair-band excess and as part of a team of other Grunge bands, they gave popular music a MUCH needed kick in the ass and in part, set the stage for old school punk bands like the Sex Pistols to have a voice again, plus help usher in Rage Against The Machine and all sorts of other acts from the 90s. In that regard, that will always be a positive aspect of Cobain's legacy. But- he did NOT mastermind this on his own.
There are fans out there that would have you believe this guy changed direction of popular music at that time all by himself- no props to Pearl Jam, Temple of the Dog, Soundgarden or any other band. Let's not forget- Alice in Chains, Blind Melon & Sublime all lost people, too, and each loss is more painful to bear than the one before.
But, the lessons learned from the passing of all of the greats from the 60s/70s talent should have been MORE than enough warning for anyone, including Cobain, out there who pursues this lifestyle. There should be no excuses and no more deaths or "accidental overdoses" out there in this day and age. I just cannot tolerate, welcome or applaud instant sainthood the second a talent goes to waste over drug abuse.
Jim Morrison couldn't help himself. Kurt Cobain could. That's the difference. Plus, guys like Eddie Vedder, David Crosby and Eric Clapton are all still alive at this point because they made the right choices. They made the choice to STOP and live! | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 5/18/2009 8:56:21 AM | | Was he clever? Not really considering that the 'anthem' for slackers up to that time was 'Deadbeat Club' by B-52's - how clever did a person have to be to beat that? Have to agree with most of the others here: right place, right time, one hit wonder. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 5/18/2009 2:45:00 PM | | Calling Nirvana a "one hit wonder" is puerile nonsense. They had 2 albums go number plus 2 live albums as well. Add to that 5 singles that went number 1 and a hanful that made the top 40. The guy could write, and he gave music that was previously reserved for the underground mass appeal. If you didn't like what he did, that's fine. It may have been the "right time" for Cobain, but Cobain did have the talent and wherewithal to capitalize on it. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 5/18/2009 3:48:12 PM | | The lyrics on "In Utero" are brilliant--a sad and angry cry for help ("You can't fire me because I QUIT"), a love/hate letter ("I wish I could eat your cancer"), a response to those who accused him of selling out ("Self-appointed judges more than they have sold")--and if the music on "Nevermind" sounds a bit slick, it's only because of Butch Vig's production. And the man had impeccable pop tastes; I listen to Daniel Johnston and the Vaselines today because of his T-shirt collection. Clever? Yep, and not a bit overrated. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 5/20/2009 9:02:35 AM | Millions of people buy Hannah Montana CD's as well, but does that make her music brilliant? No, it just means right place, right time, and good PR people. Or perhaps Lady Gaga is brilliant because she has a top 40 hit - nope, just a cheesy video and a cruddy song. While Cobain may have been clever at depressing lyrics, but that's where it starts and stops: he was sort of clever, but hardly brilliant. Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam - that was clever and brilliant. Wherewithal!?! Lol  | |
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