| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 5/20/2009 10:22:14 AM | Well, just so you know Kobain is dead. Courtney Love was married to him so that cuts you out twice. He was clever or was the guitarist clever??
Stupid people end their lives by the way. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 5/20/2009 3:06:11 PM | I was at the right place and the right time just sitting by my radio the day they first played Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Myself and many others were blown away by this song and many people called in to the radio stations wanting to know and hear more.
This was driven by the listeners. They put it into heavy rotation because of the listeners.
THEN the good PR people went to work.
Sorry, it doesn't start and stop where you decide. Nirvana's music spoke to the disenfranchised. They connected with people much like themselves and they never expected to be as big as they were. That is the brilliant part.
They reached their audience with that certain connection and comparing that connection to the pre-packaged Disney Hannah Montana machinery just shows ignorance to that generation's artistry which many found that they could relate to.
The audience (me included) discovered Nirvana and that led to some great bands that followed.
Slagging them and Kurt Cobain doesn't make anyone look clever or brilliant... just mean spirited and maybe a bit envious? | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/8/2009 12:45:49 PM | I think he wanted to be known as an artist more than a rockstar.
The problem is they had a good sound (sound that defined an era) but his lyrics sounded like high school poetry.
He had health problems and a bad life, adding Courtney Love into the mix didn't help either. It's a shame what happened, but it was typical and he became another rock star cliche. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/9/2009 11:05:47 AM | Kurdt was as clever as he was daft; as with many a depressive. Look at the crappy town he lived in as a kid, you would have to be thick to not be depressed in such surroundings.
I don't think a rich depressive like him would shoot himself though.If he was suicidal wouldn't he just OD and go out in a euphoric wave?
I just don't think he killed himself .Not sure who did; but Courtney is no angel. Have you seen the so called suicide note?
He was on a real downer for selling out his Punky DIY roots.Nevermind is OK but it's so over produced and typically corporate next to Bleach! Bleach is pure Nirvana.Back then it cost £2.50 to see them play with L7 and Victims Family. He really did guilt trip himself about signing to Geffen.
Geffen aren't just 'Major' , they are creepy! Look into Laurel Canyon's history; and just how cynical the whole Hippie scene was; and you'll also read about the birth of Geffen records. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/9/2009 12:52:12 PM | | Clever isnt really the word to describe it. I would say that he was extremely unique. His simple guitar riffs and wierd voice are all unique. Its definately nirvana when you hear it. And isnt that a big part of what art is? He helped define a generation that were getting sick off main stram pop which had somehow even iffiltrated rock music( which was always about being counter-culture) and wanted a different way to express themselves. Sadly though the same thing seems to be happening all over again with the music industry. Half the bands you are hearing on the radio cut their first album before they even had a live performance. I mis the early nineties and all off the indy bands and counter-culture attitude that came with it. Maybe I was just young and "easily amused" but his music along with many others of the time period made a huge impact on me. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/9/2009 11:02:32 PM | That's what i'm getting at though , a big part of his downer was Kurt guilt tripping himself over the fact that he was very well aware that he'd played probably the biggest part in selling out an entire so called counter culture. When Bleach was 1st recorded he'd only had 500 copies printed , and he just flogged them at gigs, and John Peel got a copy. There would'v been no such thing as Sub Pop in the UK but for JP, but i digress. Look at The Housemartins - Hull 4 London nil. Look at how big the Smiths where , but they remained DIY indie til they split. Thanx to punk 'n' that the DIY indie scene grew and grew , and it pretty much peaked with Nirvana. In terms of counter culture Nirvana could'v been spokesmen for a PRO ART , ANTI CORPORATE , actually tangible counter culture , but NO! Kurt Did exactly what all the money grubbin art ****ing corporate fascists wanted him to do , and he did it at the perfect time for them too!
The early 9T's was actually a very sad time for the music side of art and mind expansion. It was the start of the demise of DIY and Indie, and now everyone thinks 'Indie' means a Guitar band. It doesn't and it's very sad. Blur are not indie. They are ( EMI ) a corporate 'DUMB YOU DOWN' guitar band. Kurt played his part in this and he knew it. I really don't think he topped himself but he hated that part of himself when whoever adulterated his so called suicide note put that gun to his head.
He was clever tho cos he set out to create the worlds biggest rock band and he did it. But he was a dingaling cos he grew up appreciating not just the musical differences between Black Flag and The Clash , but the virtues of people who say their bands are part of the solution , when the Clash never could be cos they where with CBS from day 1. You can't have your cake and eat it and Kurt knew this. Sorry to ramble so. It's just that that whole Brit pop thing really sucked.Peace! | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/10/2009 12:00:28 PM | | Im not gonna blame Kurt for wanting to be successful and actually make money for what he loved doing. Just cuz you sign to a major record label doesnt mean you are a sellout. Maybe he wanted to reach a wider audience(which he did) or maybe he was sick of being a starving musician. All I know is that he stayed true to his roots and always promoted the bands that he grew up and worked with and admired regardless of style or genre. He was exactly the same person at the end as when he started. He didnt start changing the way he looked or changed the way he palyed just to sell records. Now take a look at Dave and the foo fighters and that is a corporate rock sell out. He is a well groomed hit maker now and I cant even stand it. He rarely accredits Nirvana for anything of any of the other bands that brought him to the limelight. Yuck | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/11/2009 10:51:21 AM | Yes he was the same person from start to finish.He just wasn't molded at all for Geffen and the likes , which added to his depression. A prime example of 'Money can't buy happiness'. And no he didn't lose his mojo. He's not responsible either ; for other peoples actions , but what followed with the corporate takeover of Indie (bar dance!) was a sad thing. Back in 1990 the Indie labels and bands accounted for close to 40% of sales. I was really ranting more about that side of things , and it was unfortunate how caught up in all that; Kurt was.He became a bit of an anti hero to the anti hero club. He never put himself on a pedastil tho ; did he. I suppose Chumbawamba are a prime example of that.
I still think tho , for his own sake , it wasn't good for him to sign to Geffen.I'm not judging him , i just believe he regretted it himself,hence the added depression.If he was here now i'm sure he would say that one particular choice in his life wasn't clever. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:49:57 AM | I hate when people say suicide is a cowardly way out . The state of mind that got them to that point is a state that you may have no concept of ("walk in their shoes for a day") ....
even if you think you may have had similar experiences, you don't know that yours were the SAME experiences . I also think alot of people just get bored or annoyed with life . | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:59:07 AM | | Oh yeah...... was KC clever ?...... yes! There are many ways to say what he was, I believe clever is definitely one of them . "marked by wit or ingenuity" ............ yes . | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/17/2009 6:48:18 AM | | Permanent solution to a temporary problem - not reading the thread, but he could have got help somehow. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/18/2009 3:45:26 PM | I am a Nirvana fan. However, one listen to the Melvins and sprinkle some Pixies in and viola, nirvana. Ginn and later Rollins had the teen angst thing figured out in 1981 (and before).
Was he clever? In his own way. Perhaps not in the voice of generation sense.
But what he was saying had a hell of a lot more resonance then some ass clown like Bret Michaels (and for the record, I like him as a person. His music was for sheeople).
Cobain's success was all about timing. By the time Nirvana was signed all the college journalists who used to blow J Mascis (another favorite of mine) were now taking jobs in the record industry. These indie bands were touring and had ready made followings. When people finally (and correctly) decided that the world didn't need White Lion or Trixter (or fu-king Bon Jovi for that matter), the record industry looked for something different.
Some of the indie bands delivered that in spades. Especially Seattle music. The music was close enough to classic rock that your Marlboro men could get it, but it also drew in a bunch of people who knew that hair metal and empty vee wasn't speaking for or to, them.
It was rather hilarious to watch these hair bands try to become alternative. Flannel and no hair spray. Here's looking at you, Motley Crue.
What really pisses me off is how it created two new genres which suck equally as bad as hair metal.
Emo, which is all the sensitive, skiiny jeans, cut myself, wimp shyte and this new "metal" that does nothing but talk about "the pain" and how people "take things away from me" sung by idiots with shaved heads and bad tribal tattoos. Mopey music with some kind of supposed depth .These jerk offs are the same tools that had they been born 20 years ago, they would grow their hair out and sing power ballads. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/20/2009 5:35:38 AM | Kurt Kobain was a heroin addict. The few times his lyrics meant anything they were talking about heroin, most of the time his lyrics had very little meaning not to mention that he was so talentless as a musician he couldn't succeed in ripping off other bands like he was trying to do with the pixies his entire career.
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Reading that makes it pretty obvious. And it does make sense that sad agsty teenagers who feel that they have no place in this world would gravitate to such horrible music, because clearly this music has no place in the world either.
How many emo kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?
None let them cry alone in the dark. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/20/2009 8:29:39 AM | stepleftskyline said:
Kurt Kobain was a heroin addict. The few times his lyrics meant anything they were talking about heroin, most of the time his lyrics had very little meaning not to mention that he was so talentless as a musician he couldn't succeed in ripping off other bands like he was trying to do with the pixies his entire career.
While I think that's a bit harsh - I really didn't mind some of Nirvana's music I think that it did have something - it disgusted me that Cobain (by the way people, you're spelling it wrong) was hurled into pseudo-superstardom by his suicide, and people think that it's only natural that he now be raised in importance to be able to stand beside the likes of Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and John Lennon, for God's sake. Gimme a freakin' break! His skills and innovation were mediocre at best. The band members that survived him have gone on to prove that they too, obviously had a hand in Nirvana's success. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/20/2009 9:59:37 AM | I, like many, got a bit tired of the media/radio overexposure after his death, and his subsequent rise to rock immortality, with labels being used like 'The voice of a generation', and so forth.
However, I did go back a few years ago and rediscovered a lot of their music (particularly In Utero and Bleach) and I have to say that they are a great listen. Kind of hard to believe listening to some of their songs on In Utero, that a band like that was actually signed to a major label. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/20/2009 11:40:03 AM | A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
I'll take this nonsense over "Living on a prayer" any day. That's all I'm saying. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/21/2009 3:25:12 PM | It was rather hilarious to watch these hair bands try to become alternative. Flannel and no hair spray. Here's looking at you, Motley Crue.
I remember seeing the promo shots for Skid Row's Subhuman Race for the first time, and I thought, "Why is Sebastian Bach wearing flannel and Converse?"
Good post, by the way. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/22/2009 7:28:19 PM | Dave Grohl cant make his way through a song without screaming like an angry child... it annoys me.... he has a voice but abuses it by screaming...
ugg... | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 9/29/2009 6:01:44 AM | Kurt cobain, was a great artist. I think people try to relate to his music with something complex and misjudgements sometimes. It's just my opinion. There are obvousily many things that arent always fact when discussing kurt cobain. like, his death some of his lyrics but one things that obvousliy alot of people in this world still think is kurt was straight up clever, and had alot to say with alot of pressure on him that was typically not wanted from what i hear from some autobiographies and what not about him.
when you talk about the band as a whole krist novoslec (spelling?) surprisingly left after the band unfortunantly for a obviuos reason stopped playing music, yeah and i could talk for awhile about the conspiracies about all that but it would take awhile. But anyways, Krist went into polotics and David into more music and its unfortunate once again that alot of possible really good music is not set in play. anyways. | |
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| was kurt kobain very clever?
Posted: 10/23/2009 7:17:44 PM | | heymusiclover76, with your comment "Permanent solution to a temporary problem - not reading the thread, but he could have got help somehow." First off why don't you try reading the actual subject question posted or don't contribute. Second, do you even know a thing about Kurt Kobain or the illnesses he suffered from (besides drug abuse?), now I am off topic but you were to begin with & I have read everyones responses so far without getting p*ssed, but you need to learn a thing or two. He suffered from major depression or some said Bipolar Disorder his entire life. He also tried to commit suicide on many other occasions but did not succeed, you don't think those people & close family/friends did not at least try to help him? If someone is dealing with this major of a mental illness, NO they just can not all be helped, do some research before you start mouthing off on something you know nothing about & I certainly hope for your sake that no one in your family or anyone you really care about ever develops a major mental illness such as this, it's a battle almost every day that some people just can't be helped by, even as hard as they try. | |
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