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| Would you marry someone just because they are rich ?
Posted: 7/4/2006 7:42:45 PM | | You need to watch more discovery channel. The male lion doesnt provide squat. It is the lioness that does all the providing. All the male does, when he`s not licking his nuts, is chase off any would-be suiters for his pride. It is his natural fearlessness and physical power that allows him to keep his harem. The lionessess mate with HIM because they have no other suiters around. I think that you are trying to give lions and lionessess human traits so that you can make a point that women marrying for money is more of a natural thing. It is actually the opposite of what you think. Men provide monitarally for their mating rights. The more money you have, the more likely you will be able to mate. The less money you have, then the more charm and good looks you will need to have for mating rights. I have neither, so I am like those other lions that got chased off into the jungle by the stronger lion. Human females on the other hand are not the lionessess of the jungle, the men are. We do all the providing. The females are like the male lions. They capitalize on the males providing. And all of this has to do with two human traits: the males urge for sex, and the womens ( as there is also this traight in men) sense of greed. Marrying for money has nothing to do with wanting to feel secure. It is just greed. There`s nothing NATURAL about that. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 7:43:21 PM | Well, if you want to start comparing humans to the animal kingdom, then let's do it! In that case, I suppose us ladies can start copulating with our boyfriends and then rip their heads off after orgasm, like the praying mantis. As for lions having harems, apparently this goes for the lionesses as well...
"..A single male generally remains the consort of an oestrus lioness throughout the course of her mating period, although some lionesses may mate with more than one male."
from: http://home.intekom.com/ecotravel/Guides/Wildlife/Vertebrates/Mammals/Big_5/Lion/african-lion-reproduction.htm
I suppose that as long as we are going to go with the animal behavior thing, we might as well throw in the idea of killing and eating our young. Well, except that it might get us the death penalty.
My point being, there's a reason we are humans - above all other animals. We have a higher consciousness, and a conscience. The power of CHOICE over instincts. Well, most of us do, anyway.
Oh, and if marriage is merely a business arrangement, and has "nothing to do with love", then I suppose it's ok if one's wife (or husband) sleeps with whomever she wants, provided she keeps her end of the financial contract, as I understand it correctly. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 7:45:28 PM | | I look forward to the day when the women become the breadwinners and the men all gather together, each with a six-pack and watch sports all day on TV. Throw some clothes in the washer during commercials. Microwave some food for when she gets home. And then, if they're nice, we give them sex, unless we're not in the mood and have a "headache." And if things just don't work out, we get the house and monthly payments. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 7:54:36 PM | "And what many women do is actively pursue wealthy men as mates."
Well, as far as I'm concerned then, you're right on that point: those women ARE whores. While a career whore rents herself out on an hourly basis to various client, a lifestyle whore is "paid" on salary - sells herself to one "employer" for life (or until she can get a hefty divorce settlement).
I'm not arguing that there aren't women out there who are like that. I know that there are. Just like there are some guys who only marry for Playboy bodies with double Ds. What I'm saying is, it's NOT a generalization.. it's an exception to the rule. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 8:16:57 PM | Mr. Gordon Gecko, based on his posts, is obviously looking for a trophy wife.
Your theory would of course explain why animals in the wild choose the strongest and best providers to mate with?
Their attraction isn't based on material wealth. It's a physical urge. They're both in heat, they run into each other and that's it pretty much. Animals go about it in different ways, but they're not necessarily looking for who can provide them with the most food. It's just animal instinct.
I mean look at lions out in the wild. The biggest and the strongest gets laid. Because he can protect his harem of lionesses and provide them with the best genes avaliable to them. The rest of the lions, the ones who are not at the top of the heap? Those guys just wait on the bench like a bunch of second string scrubs.
He "gets laid" because he beats all of the other lions and won't let them mate with any of the lionesses. The females do all the hunting.
A mans wealth and material possessions is his ability to provide safety and security for his mate. Its why many rich guys get laid no matter how rancid they are.
Yeah, and it's also why they get taken to the cleaners. The woman finds someone that can give her more "safety and security" (bigger house, more money, a pool) and she leaves him. or, the guy finds someone younger and the older trophy wife is on the street.
Why can't women provide their own "safety and security"? Can't women be autonomous?
To deny the appeal of monetary wealth by a potential mate is probably the most 'unnatural' things you'll ever really see.
Since when is material wealth "natural"?
Sure no one wants to say " I want money " out loud because they don't want to look like a whore. But who cares what they say, look at what they do. And what many women do is actively pursue wealthy men as mates.
Well, if it walks like a duck...
Personally, I think your post is demeaning to women whether you intend it to be or not. Basically you're saying that women are all prostitutes and couldn't care less about someone's personality. And that line of thinking plays into the hands of a lot of men, because what it says is that women are property and can be bought. They are slaves created solely to convenience and pleasure men. Therefore, you do not have to be attractive, or interesting, or have a nice personality, or be a good and ethical and respectful person. You just need to have money.
Consumerist, corporate mentalities have no place in the world of romance. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 9:12:46 PM | I said -
"Because he can protect his harem of lionesses and provide them with the best genes avaliable to them."
I didn't say the male lion was out there bringing home the bacon. I said his appeal is his strength and HIS GENES. Since hes the tough and strong lion, his genes are predisposed to produce lions just like him. Future tough and strong lions who will follow in their fathers footsteps. Yes the male lion does not have to hunt for food, because he provides a COMMODITY that negates his need to hunt for food. The female lions desire his good GENES enough to hunt for him.
When a woman mates with a man and desires to procreate, you think she doesn't account for his GENES? The issue of disability/handicap or mental illness through genes? The disposition to be tall or short? The disposition to be handsome like their father was? The disposition to be strong and healthy like good old dad? The disposition to be intelligent and be a good provider?
As for the issue of divorce, some people (included noted scientists and researchers) have argued MARRIAGE ITSELF IS NOT NATURAL. The idea of one man and one woman together monogamously for an extended period of time. And maybe its not, then again that sure would explain the divorce rate to some degree wouldn't it?
As for me looking for a 'trophy wife', you know what? I respect your right to your opinion and your pursuit of whatever makes you happy on this short time on Earth. I'll never begrudge another man that. But I think many men have it all wrong about the money/sex/dating equation.
If you want a very good looking young healthy fertile woman, you are going to have to compete to get her. Thats just reality. Plenty of other guys want her too. This explains why in high schools, all the guys wanted to nail the same ten girls. Who tends to get the girls in high school? Athletes, often successful ones. Those who are popular socially. Those with money. Those who might be the first to have their own vehicle. THOSE WHO SET THEMSELVES AS UNIQUE FROM THE PACK.
So to get the highly desired woman, you are gonna have to spend. Spend financially or emotionally or timewise or all three, but it will cost you. Thats the cost of outcompeting the other males after her. If a girl has that many options, how can you realistically hope to get her without outcompeting all the other guys who want to nail her? What you see in movies about the poor dumb sweet guy getting the babe is just movie magic. Happens but not very often. More power to the those rare souls who do get that.
Yes some women are golddiggers. But they arent golddiggers just because they want your money. They are golddiggers because they want your MONEY WITHOUT ANY EXCHANGE OF VALUE ON THEIR PART. Plenty of rich guys have no problem supporting women financially as long as they feel that they are getting something of value ( be it sex, be it company, be it conversation, be it ego stroking, be it prestige socially, etc etc) Thats why some very rich men have some decidely average looking wives. Those women know how to appeal to a rich mans sense of VALUE. Not his sense of wealth.
What do very rare and desired sports cars cost? A whole hell of lot of cash. Why? Because there aren't many of them and lots of people want them but can't afford them. The rarer something is, and the demand is there, the odds are you will have to spend well to get it. Look at the diamond industry. They are just rocks, but the demand, the monopoly on the supply and the rarity ( or supposed rarity) drives up the cost. Good looking young healthy women are in demand, there aren't as many of them around compared to the total number of women and they monopolize the commodity of who they decide to sleep with.
I personally, have no problem spending money to pursue and date young healthy good looking women who are potential long term mates. Because I understand that while you or many others may not find VALUE in them, they in themselves will always be in demand and cost more to attain and keep around. You dont get something for nothing in life. You can't just pretend that the numerous other suitors will just magically go away if you really want the girl. If you or others decide you either A) Will not bear the cost to pursue the highly desired women or B) Cannot bear the cost to pursue the highly desired women either way, I totally respect that. I respect your life and your choices and your right to be happy with this life that is far too short. Just remember to RESPECT mine as well.
So call me a Sugar Daddy if you want. I don't care. My electricity bill doesn't go up one cent and there are gonna be no sleepless nights because you, some stranger on the Internet, don't personally approve of me. I see what I want and I pursue it relentlessly. If I have to spend to get it and I want it, so what, you die one day and that money means nothing in the grave. Now I do think people should be fiscally practical and spend within their means and be cautious of liability, but WE ALL DIE IN THE END, and so a rich guy who dies with his entire fortune in the bank screwed his life up. Because he didn't use that money to enrich his life and those he loved while he was still alive.
And guess what, the guy who knows what he wants and goes after what he wants has a good chance of getting the girl. WOMEN LOVE CONFIDENCE AND THEY LOVE THE CHASE. They want to know, especially the most desirable ones, that you want them and you will do what it takes to get them. Men who don't want to spend on the most desired women as a practical choice are just practical guys, not everyone wants to spend or has the resources to spend. Men who think its offensive that they have to spend at all ( and not just money but time and effort and emotions) to get the most desired women just don't have any concept of value. Thats because they think they can get something for nothing. Or are upset because they can't.
I never listen to what people say ( although there are good and decent and honest people in the world who can enrich your life, I will never deny that) but I watch what they do. Theres a reason why young good looking healthy women date wealthy men. Or do you think that blonde bombshell Nordic supermodel who married Tiger Woods would have done so if he was a busboy? Whether you think its fair or not, thats how it works, thats how the dating world works. Too many people get hung up whether its right or wrong, instead of just deciding whether they want to get in the game or not.
When I find something I want, something that means something valuable and powerful to my life, I just go after it with everything I've got. I spend what it takes to get what means something of value to me. If that means you want to label me 100 different things, go ahead. I can still respect your way of life even if you don't respect mine. Because my happiness is not contingent on your approval.
I have maybe 30 to 40 good years left on this Earth. I'm going to go after what I think will bring me happiness and make me a better man. I'll do anything to get it. So I can look back on my life with no regrets. Rich men don't fear they will die poor, when they die that money means nothing, they fear they will die before they have 'enriched' their lives to its fullest.
Happy 4th to you iwarrior, I hope you find everything you hope and dream for in this life. Its just too bad though you can't seem to extend to me the same. | |
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| Would you marry someone just because they are rich ?
Posted: 7/4/2006 11:19:55 PM | anyways lion goats whatever
marrying for money maybe wrong but look an arranged marriages they do it to get goats or weath whatever because the two families want them to and the two ppl learn to love each other or jsut deal
i rather marry someone of my choosen who is rich then have him chosen for me because he is rich
marrying for money is wrong i personally dont agree with it but for some ppl it does work
and if your out of luck in the love department then do it | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 11:40:07 PM | mr godron gecko - some of the things u say do make sense althought most ppl wont edmit that.
but for a womens attention it isnt always about money but time. the time u listen to her
time u understand her
the time u enter her mind ya know
money cant buy that no matter how hot you are
and most men want the trophy wife just to show off and usually that trophy wife is dumb or annoying or something but doesnt matter because she is hot .
maybe thats what all men want anyways is somethign hot and simple
so they look good in fron of there friends | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 11:47:47 PM | | If you even think about that, you should grow the fock up. Learn what your good at (if anythihg) and pursue that. You are a sorry loser of a human if you think someone else is going to carry your whining sorry ass through this journey.... YES.... JOURNEY..... we call life. Its a struggle for a reason, the reason is different for differnt people. Its up to you to figure it out. Money is paper. | |
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| Would you marry someone just because they are rich ?
Posted: 7/4/2006 11:55:54 PM | Money is FREEDOM, bro. It's NOT paper - it's a ticket to freedom.
You seem to be stuck in that idealistic utopian illusion that it does nothing for you.
Stay shacked up in your little bitty town for the rest of your life, but some of
us have other ambitions. Like retiring without searching for handouts....retiring
comfortably.
YOU are the one who needs to wake up. You can't take a journey without a ticket!!
Only an unambitious directionless loser believes otherwise.
But no, I wouldn't marry soley for money.....there's got to be a little bit
more to her. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 5:21:52 AM | I started dating a guy a couple of years ago-figured he was maybe 45-didn't know a whole lot about him-but he was a good friend of a couple of friends of mine. I found out he was actually 50(17 years older than me) and then as a little time went on...every week I received a dozen blue roses, received a ring 3 weeks after dating(my birthday) and presents every week. He told me after 2 weeks he loved me-which I protested that it was way too soon to be saying that stuff.
This guy was a millionaire-which I only found out a couple of weeks after dating. The sex wasn't any good at all-but he was a nice guy. I only saw him weekends but as time went on his business started to keep him away for longer periods. I tried to keep the interest-but one can only do that for so long. Finally-after 6 months of barely seeing him-I told him I wasn't interested anymore(this was about a year into the relationship). He still tried to keep something between us-making excuses as to why he hadn't called, come up or whatever. And the only reason I tried to keep it going was because I felt that having finacial security was more important then my own feelings.
I had always figured if the opportunity arose to marry for money I would regardless-having had the experience now-I don't think I could-there would have to be much more there. It's just not in my heart to be that cold and callous and unfeeling. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 5:45:21 AM | | i bet if you put youre profile on here...put youre pic in front of a big house...nice sports care...a big boat...and if you posted the same profil with out thoes pic you would get 50 times the e-mail from women... | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 7:16:36 AM | | Hey Gecko, I`m not here to single you out on your views of how wealth would effect your life because I`m sure that there are other people who feel as strongly about it as you do. But, what I will say, in the hopes that you will remember this some day, is that you are seeing it from your own point of view right now as a younger and less wealthy person. Wait untill you are my age and have hopefully had the financial luck that I have had and then see what you attract. It will then be at that time in your life when you will need more brain power, more charm, more of everything that you will want a women to find attractive in you. I`m no Donald Trump by a long shot and I am not an attractive man by a longer shot, but I think I do possess the qualities that make most men attractive in many womens eyes. When I first met my future wife she was on welfare with a small child. I was younger and just starting out in life so I wasnt a financial catch for any gal, but back then I must have possessed some sort of charm because she turned down a proposal of marriage from a police officer who was a lot more financially secure then I was at the time just so that she could persue me. So as to fast forward my point, we were happily married for 24 years untill she died of cancer 14 years ago. She wanted for no more then to be a mother and a wife. I gave her everything in life that she deserved. That was then and this is now. I cannot find another gal that even comes close to her. Not only was my wife beautiful, one reason right there why I couldnt figure why she wanted to be with a shy nerd like myself, but she didnt care about what I did or didnt have in the bank. She just love me as I did her. Now, some 39 years later I am trying to find that same sort of intense love but it is actually harder to find it because my NOW financial situation puts a further womens interest in me than just interested in the me me. It is SOOO hard to see through the genuineness of someones affection when you know that there are so many gals out there that want to do no more then marry your wallet. I am looking for a life time female companion and not some financial sexual adventure. And by the way, back when I had nothing myself I managed to pass on MY genes to 3 wonderfully successful young men. You need a good paying job? My oldest boy is hireing right now. Just contact HIS gold digging girlfriend for details. Good luck in your future young Dude, You`re going to need it. A word to the wise....If you`re not broke, then act broke. You`ll have better luck at finding the RIGHT gal. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 10:10:12 AM | ^
Fair enough.
I do appreciate your advice and your honesty. I'm sorry to hear about your wife who had passed away, but you had a great 24 years with her and you loved her, and you probably would give up every cent you had now to have her back. I think thats great that you had that time together to have someone enrich your life.
And you are right, the wealthy learn to not often advertise they are wealthy. It becomes complicated. And you are right with the age thing as well, I know plenty of older men, rich and poor, who have a hard time finding dates or even just basic companionship.
Heres the thing, at this point in my life, I am already independently wealthy and have been for quite a few years now. I don't push out the specifics too much in my profile for some of the reasons you've stated, but I think I read some of these posts and I wonder where the perspective is coming from.
See most people aren't independently wealthy. Many people are one paycheck from getting the boot out of their own home. Doesn't mean they are not good and decent people. I know plenty of good people, rich and poor in life and plenty of bad people, rich and poor in life. But often a thread like this discusses the issue from the side of someone who hasn't amassed a great deal of wealth. Too often, its - Why should I marry a rich guy? Very few times do you hear the perspective of why should a rich guy marry you. I don't believe that I'm right or wrong in my views, they are just my convictions on what I believe, but I do think I do lend certain views as a rich guy to be honest.
I think part of the reason I amassed my wealth was I actually chose to not get married and have kids to this point. I know lots of people said I was cheating myself of a great experience and definitely missing out. But I own a law firm. That does alot of divorce work. Divorce is big business unfortunately for the hearts of many people out there. I also own a plumbing company. I'm surrounded all day by lawyers and accountants and advisors who have a vested interest in protecting my wealth ( I go under, they lose a job) I think I learned alot about the issue of love and marriage and relationships by seeing divorce from a whole different perspective. Here I am actually making a profit off of peoples misery and inability to escape a financial obligation punishable by incarceration. It made me think alot. Also having a company where you are knee deep in shit alot makes you think about the issue of human nature and love. Most of my friends are divorced now. Don't see their kids. Lost their homes. Lost not only a major portion of their assets but also valuable years of their life in stress and suffering. A friend of mine lost his job, was divorced, couldn't see his kids and was probably going to go to jail. He shot himself in the head. Never have I felt and seen something more powerful. To me after that, marriage equaled a certain death. Not just financially but emotionally.
Most of my posts probably discuss the issue of liability, certain aspects of the law and questions about finance. Its because thats what I deal with all day long. Its how I see things or have to see things to make my businesses profitable and successful.
I'm retiring in less than 5 years, probably in less than 2 to be honest. I've been lucky as you've said you have been and gotten a few good bounces financially in life. I wasn't born with the money, I bled for it the hard way. I think that also colors my views about rich men and the issue of marriage.
When I was younger I wanted love, or the kind of love you think you want when you are younger from what movies and books and pop culture teaches you about love. But I don't see it that way anymore. If a woman just wants my money but she makes me happy and my life is enriched because of it, it doesn't bother me. To me its an issue of whether I find a greater sense of value in my life with that person. And not just some bimbo on my arm at dinner parties to keep everyone impressed or just sex. A sense of value to me means that I feel that I am getting something in return that I feel makes me a better person even if its something most people would find distasteful for themselves.
I'm 35 now. I'm not old but I'm not exactly young anymore. My time is valuable to me. Sure I have the freedom with my time to pretty much do what I want now. If I want to leave the office and play Pac Man for a week, I can. But because I can doesn't mean my time will last forever on this Earth.
If I want to meet a girl, the distance issue doesn't bother me. I'll fly her in first class and put her up in a five star hotel and have a limo drive her around. If I can afford it, why not? At some level its just money, I have it to spend and I can always and do make more of it. Money is not the be all end all, but its a tool. If you don't use it to make your life easier and give you more options, then its like a tool that leave unsharpened and unused. I know most men don't have the options I have, so I use those options to give me more options. I'm not looking to 'buy' a woman. I'm looking to 'buy' myself the option of not letting the issue of money interfere with actually meeting good people. And back to gold diggers, a very young health good looking woman with a career and education is something worth spending on in my book. Some of them are just gold diggers sure, but some are actually women who know what lines not to push and have a sense of their own value in the dating world.
People like to label. They want to believe all rich guys are old bald geezers who can't get it up and have to overpay for sex. But they also want to believe all golddiggers are blonde bombshells who can't put together a four word sentence. I don't see it that way. I watch what happens at my law firm ( that being said, please no one at POF ask me for an attorney or specific legal advice or accesss to specific legal advice, thanks) , plenty of gold diggers come in all shapes, sizes and attitudes. A family making 40 thousand a year combined where the wife cheats, files for divorce, takes the kid, and half the mans assets to me is a gold digger. If I lost half my assets, I'd still live well. For a guy just getting by with what he had to start with to lose half is devastating.
An aging overweight single mother with no career options and a bunch of unruly kids is a bigger gold digger to me both financially and emotionally than a woman who likes to go to nice restaurants and decides she wants to explore the world where money is not a barrier.
I respect you onceloved, I think you said what you said for my benefit with honesty and I do very much appreciate that. As an older guy, you were just looking to lend perspective and insight to a younger buck. Thats not common these days and I think its very cool. I guess all I can say is while people not agree with me or understand my views, I can, at least in this thread, give some different perspectives about how a wealthy guy would see the issue of being rich and being married. As a wealthy guy, I know a bunch of other single wealthy guys, just works that way and lots of them feel the way I do.
Anyway, whether someone is rich or poor here, I really do wish them the best of luck with whatever they are looking for in this life. No Hard Fast Rules. | |
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| Would you marry someone just because they are rich ?
Posted: 7/5/2006 10:12:27 AM | | DOES RICH HAVE A LAST NAME AND A COTTAGE HEHEHE,ANYWAYS NO I WOULD NOT MARRY SOMEONE RICH JUST NOT MY STYLE IF YOU GOT IT DONT FLAUNT IT KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND ALL I ASK IS BE YOURSELF ALWAYS,HELP A CHARITY,ID TAKE THE MONEY AND HELP OTHERS THAT NEED HELP,ESPECIALLY A CHILD THAT IS HUNGRY OR NEEDS CLOTHING THEY COME FIRST SO IF YOUR RICH HELP THEM ,DONT HELP ME IM FINE TY, | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 10:23:31 AM | | Would I marry someone just because they are rich? That would depend on the girl...if she were a hosebeast and wanted to sleep with me, then no. But if she was cute, fun, good in bed and treated me well, then sure! I might even fall for her. Of course, if she were all those things, I'd probably marry her whether she were rich or not. I usually have the opposite problem though... | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 10:24:35 AM | hell ya!! where's he at?? JUST KIDDING!!! nah. I couldn't... especially when it would come to being intimate. I have to be very attracted to the other person or in love, otherwise I wouldn't be able to...to you know  | |
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Posted: 7/5/2006 11:26:38 AM | | Here I am Shilo, only I dont see a church any where around. Hot pics sweety pie. I would have said something similar to you too Mysterious Lady only you are looking for a good looking guy. I conceed my unworthiness and bid you farewell. | |
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