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lks1
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Joined: 1/12/2006
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 4:54:36 PM | I am sure i could wait. If its ment to be it will be and i'm not into the sex thing with a woman anyway.. Sounds corney but i would rather wait and be with someone real special and make love then just have sex.. I mean dont get that wrong ladies I do enjoy it but its not consuming my life that I have to have it and can not live without it.. I just believe its a wonderfull thing shared by two ppl who love each other..  | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 5:42:38 PM |
Well, the dictionary term for having sex outside marriage is FORNICATION. He admitted that he had **no intention** of getting involved in a relationship. He only wants to have sex with someone, no strings attached. - Feast_On_Scraps
Both the connotative and denotative meanings of the word "fornicator" in English dictionary state very clearly that you are flinging a pejorative, rather than merely choosing a term of neutral origins. While you display fairly typical cowardice in hiding behind a dictionary, I think you know it's BS.
So I am giving him an accurate name. Chronic fornicator. Perhaps I could correct it and say "serial fornicator". Nothing unfair about that. Calling something what it is. I think it's as fair as it gets. - Feast_On_Scraps
No, you didn't give him an accurate name.
You displayed the arrogance and judgment that your well-advertised religion is best known for. I'm sure it felt good. But magickman did not say he'd screw anything that moved. In fact, he displayed a strong desire for a relationship, while still stating that the physical component is important to him. He doesn't want to get married. That doesn't make him a man-slut, a whore or a serial fornicator any more than your attitude makes you a serial b****. If you'll accept the latter, I'm sure we can make an arrangement. In any case, for someone who likes to talk about agape, you sure don't display very much of it in your interactions with people who disagree with you.
Nope. Sorry. Not if you love someone. I mean, honestly, truly "agape" love someone. - Feast_On_Scraps
Nope. Sorry. You can still love someone, and still admit that they are bad in the sack. I'm a bad tennis player. Just because someone loves me doesn't make me John Mcenroe. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:15:25 PM | Forgive me for not reading all 11 pages of this thread before weighing in with my opinion. I'm lazy like that.
I don't believe I could know FOR SURE that the person I was with was "right" for me (as a potential partner) UNLESS we were sexually compatible.
Don't worry, I know this makes me a dirty fornicator, but I'm okay with that. In fact, I'm sewing a big red letter "F" on all my clothing right now.
P.S. It's interesting to note that the "rules" about waiting to have sex until marriage came about when people got married at 14 and died in their 30s. Made sense back then. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:24:56 PM | | i guess this is one of them loaded questions hey. becauseif a guy says yes he can wait there are women who will say good job and some that will say bs. and if you say no you wouldnt well now your a heratic. so either way there is no way to answer this quesiton without being labeled by ppl as say a fornicator, pls. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:30:39 PM |
he displayed a strong desire for a relationship
Ummm, where were you when he wrote "why waste time on a relationship"?
I will not resort to a game of semantics with you. You accuse me of calling people names, yet you do the same thing.
You assume that "loving" someone includes sugar coating the truth to make it more palatable. Well sometimes being blunt and upfront is the kindest thing to do. It's the most loving thing to do. If some of the people who loved me hadn't spoken words of truth no matter if they offended me or not, I don't know where I would be.
Someone who has sex with people and has no intention of committing to them is a fornicator. It matters very little to me what you think of me for saying that, including being a serial b**ch.
Thank you.
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:09:39 PM | | I think you can't really answer this question truly unless you are actually placed in the situation. It's easy to say no way you wouldn't wait to a mythical woman who you haven't met yet, but you never know how you will react if it actually happened. Perhaps she satisfies your mind, soul and body (not with intercourse but in other sexual ways) that you might actually reconsider. Never say never of course everyone has preferences. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:09:42 PM | | i've given this a lot o' thought; 'cause i've always tried to place a higher importance on the inner-self o' the woman i'm w/, rather than the merely physical.... i like to think that, in a PERFECT world, the IDEAL mike could hold out, no prob, but to be honest w/ y'all, i've never hadda make it past the 4th date... so i really do'no'.... | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 8:46:24 PM | Oh Hell !
If I ever met the woman who was really, really right for me, would I wait for sex until after marriage ?
If she was really the right woman for me, you'd have a hard time getting us disconected long enough for the ceremony.
The right woman for me, wouldn't be asking any such questions.
These are the sorts of questions designed just to jerk on everyones " guilt chain ". | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 8:47:16 PM | Here is what I wrote:
Re: GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Marriage? Why would I want to get married?
Assuming though, that I desired marriage, how would I know if she was the right girl, if we had never experienced intercourse together?
As a rule of thumb, if a woman and I do not have sex right away, then there is no real spark. If there is no spark, why would I even consider a long term commitment? Even when there was a strong mutual attraction, none of my relationships have been lengthy.
So my conclusion is, "Hell no." Why would I waste my time with a woman, who has serious sexual hangups? Life is too short.
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Here I go, heading for a scrap, with Scraps.
Sexual attraction, I will assert, is the root of romantic love. Scraps can call it "Flat out lust," which is intended, perhaps, to make it sound dirty, or less than pure. Without this attraction/lust, though, what would have kept mankind in a breeding frenzy, through the countless thoudands of generations? While there may be too many people now, producing enough offspring was very important for most of human history.
"If you determine whether or not a girl is the "right one" based on sex, you are obviously the wrong person to get married," admonished Scraps. "You want to marry someone who is a siren in bed."
Wait a moment. Did I not write, "Marriage? Why would I want to get married?" For the record, I am never married, at least so far. Since I did not desire children, marriage was not something I sought. Much better, I think, to be persistently single, than to be divorced, or to be miserably married.
Neither was I a professional cohabitor, rather a live-alone bachelor. It may surprise Scraps or others, that not everyone seeks marriage. Some of us might be, in Scraps' words, "the wrong person to get married." Living with a partner, married or otherwise, is a daunting task.
So it is without apology, that I would pursue a puissant (powerful) sexual attraction with a potential partner. Great sex is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for a happy relationship. It is not enough by itself, to float the boat, yet it is needed to keep the relation-"ship" from sinking.
Were I to find a great relationship, it would please me thoroughly, make me very happy. One thing is for sure. A strong physical attraction would be imperative. Without that, why would I want a relationship?
"What about her spirituality?" asked Scraps. It is not my interest, I am afraid. I would want someone with whom I could get along with, though. Not looking for a chance to fight.
Life is too short, I repeat, to waste in a relationship, without a mutual, puissant sexual attraction. If she is not my siren, in bed, why would I want to be with her? | |
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Joined: 1/1/2006
Msg: 263 | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/6/2006 11:53:47 PM |
Ummm, where were you when he wrote "why waste time on a relationship"? - Feast_On_Scraps
As magickman has already pointed out, you neither read him very carefully, nor attempted to represent his POV accurately. That's called intellectual dishonesty.
I will not resort to a game of semantics with you. You accuse me of calling people names, yet you do the same thing. - Feast_On_Scraps
You don't have to bandy semantics in order to represent someone else's point of view fairly. You aren't exactly in a position to comment on my namecalling until you pull the log out of your own eye. Then you can pull the splinter out of mine. (That's from the Bible, in case you were wondering.)
You assume that "loving" someone includes sugar coating the truth to make it more palatable. Well sometimes being blunt and upfront is the kindest thing to do. It's the most loving thing to do. If some of the people who loved me hadn't spoken words of truth no matter if they offended me or not, I don't know where I would be. - Feast_On_Scraps
I assume that "loving" someone doesn't involve being an a**hole. Obviously, you disagree. People who like to go on and on about not making the truth palatable - I am reminded here of that famous line by Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" - are usually just jerks who use "the Truth" (nearly always capitalized) as an excuse to be "blunt" (rude) and "upfront" (nosy). It's not kind. Nobody appreciates it except you, which is rather self-serving. And it's not loving, no matter how you sell it to yourself (not exactly a hard pitch, I imagine).
Maybe if some of the people who "loved" you hadn't "spoken words of truth," you'd understand what I'm talking about. Instead, you're just passing on the "love."
Thanks, but no thanks.
Someone who has sex with people and has no intention of committing to them is a fornicator. It matters very little to me what you think of me for saying that, including being a serial b**ch. - Feast_On_Scraps
And you have yet to prove that magickman has no intent whatsoever to commit to anyone. He just said that he isn't getting married. I know you can't see the difference, but your inability to perceive it does not prevent it from being true.
Thank you. - Feast_On_Scraps
I wish I could say the same. But you haven't offered enough understanding or genuine charity to anyone else in order to merit my thanks. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/7/2006 12:49:13 AM | I think we've lost sight of what the original question was.
And the answers given are obviously going to be different, based on a number of variables. Be it religion, personal experience or beliefs, etc.
I for one (as stated previously) would not know if it was the right woman for me if we could not be intimate. That's where my life experiences have placed me on the scale. And if it was someone who was resistant to the idea of intimacy, for WHATEVER reason, that would be a sign to me that there would be other incompatabilites just around the corner. But, to say that it makes me a bad person because of this fact is ridiculous. Please feel free to call us names in your own little world, I happen to be completley comfortable in mine.
At my age I want someone who knows their own body, likes and dislikes. I teach the Arts, not sex ed. | |
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JJAARR
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Joined: 1/30/2006
Msg: 270 | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/7/2006 8:58:46 AM | What if you get to the honeymoom and find out your dink a dink doesn't fit into her poonanny?  If this topic isn't discussed during the courtship there are ALREADY even MORE serious issues It says there is not a complete level of open and honest communication with an attention to obvious "details"  . It says that there is a real possiblity/probablity of emotional disconnect and lack of physical signs of affection. In other words a man who is far out of the average RANGE in the size of his or a woman who has an ABNORMALLY small "poonanny" and shallow cervical canal,should have discussed the potentiality of such an issue LONG before marriage.Best to do it EARLY in the relating process cretainly by the time of the 2nd or 3rd DATE for sure(if not long BEFORE).
In a healthy functioning relationship,EVERYTHING is discussed thoroughly and as often as desired. There is LOTS of affection and attention displayed by BOTH. When affection/attention is shown SHE gets an idea of his "love style" as well as his "dink a dink"(to go along with what he has verbalized). He gets an idea of her "love style" and ability to communicate via touch. IF they can't tell enough about possible/probable "sexual compatability" from those(and related)things having sex won't matter....they're both stupid!...and should leave sex to REAL adults!
Actually, this shows all the MORE reason to wait some time before having sex,even IF neither party is intent on waiting until marriage. Exploring/studying the nuaces of OPEN and honest communication,love styles and touch reception,digestion and perception is ALWAYS my prescription; )
BTW/FYI, being real about it....97% of ALL men fall into the average range(4-8.5"length,3.5-5.5" circumference) 95% of ALL women can rather comfortablely accomodate anything in the range from the start.4.9% of those who can't comfortably accomodate anything in that range on the 1st time can eventually.Less than 1% of the male population is OVER the average range in BOTH length and circumference. In all cases the same points of open and honest communication,affection,attention,observation,ect. applies. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/7/2006 9:38:19 AM | | I have read this whole thread and have decided to chime in. I waited for marriage the 1st time around. I find myself waiting now. Am I waiting for marriage, Not Sure????Been there done that. The three date rule is something that drives me crazy!!!! Who made that one up anyway??? Nipolean put it best. I think that if I found the right person they would have trouble prying us apart before the ceremony and prying the smiles off our faces!!Its all about finding that happiness!!!!! God help us all! | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/7/2006 9:55:24 AM | Yes it is possible under the right conditions. Sex without intercourse, ie., oral intercourse is an alternative and can be satisfying for both parties.
One thing I will say. I did this for awhile in a relationship and it was full filling and satisfying, and we were able to explore different ways of satisfying each other. However, when you get to a certain point in your relationship, sometimes the only thing that can satisfy that need to be truely close is to actually be inside and then there is another connection. | |
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