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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/19/2006 2:40:59 PM | LOL
Spoken like a TRUE 19 year old.... no offense !!!
I only have one question for you, what will you do when he doesn't just want you anymore because thats what a so called "Alpha male" will do.
I know I used to be one and had lots of women try that exact tactic but it still didn't work.
Thank GOD I eventually became a REAL MAN. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/19/2006 2:42:03 PM | adriana1986
LOL
Spoken like a TRUE 19 year old.... no offense !!!
I only have one question for you, what will you do when he doesn't just want you anymore because thats what a so called "Alpha male" will do.
I know I used to be one and had lots of women try that exact tactic but it still didn't work.
Thank GOD I eventually became a REAL MAN. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/19/2006 3:14:51 PM | | Could I wait until marriage? Nope. Why would I want to? Why would she want to? Sex is a great part of a relationship, when one's heart and one's mind are already connected, sex becomes the ultimate closeness. If she is the one for me, and I am the one for her, then we realize that before marriage, and marriage isn't sealing any deal, the commitment was there long before that. | |
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Joined: 12/17/2005
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/19/2006 5:20:50 PM | no sex until after marriage is game playing and i am a little low right now on emotional monopoly money.
Dear loining2, what kind of connection are you hoping to get if you assume that a woman who asserts her values is game playing? Hope you don't end up with a woman who owns Park Place, and plays the game the way you do. It's Chapter 11 for you.... | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/19/2006 5:53:30 PM | Now there's a nice thought, how enlightened of you....(I guess its true, nice guys do finish last)...
Being a nice guy does not cause a guy to finish last. If fact it helps them move up a notch or two. The only reason nice guys finish last is because other guys are smarter, better looking, sexier, and more athletic.
Youre a hell of a debater.......Im ready to like throw in the towel here..... And now Im all depressed that apparently... Im now getting worse looking as time passes...... When did this happen and why wasnt I notified????? I didnt know 28 was over the hill......
You are not over the hill. You are just too old for most teenagers and I’m a teenager. If I was 25 you would be a wonderful age for me.
While it may be unconventional it is not unheard of. More than one prominent male has had a mistress. I think what she's saying is she would rather have a man that is a go-getter, good in business, someone that leads an exciting life rather than settle for a faithful couch potato.
I don’t want to share. That’s what I’m saying and partly why I will give my husband all he wants and more. That doesn’t mean I won’t love sex, because I will. I’m finding it hard to wait. I’m just full of hormones so I’m going to need and want sex all the time.
Also, with an Alpha male, I may have to share. Nevertheless, I would not tolerate a husband, that doesn’t put me first and is not discrete. However, like Hillary is with Bill. She understands that Bill always put her first even though being an Alpha male he would sample other women. And, just like Hillary, if I catch my husband, I’ll slap his face and he’ll be in the doghouse for a while. However, I’m not so naïve as to believe that he will pass on opportunities when he believes he won’t get caught. Throughout history, when polygamy was allowed, women willingly would choose to share a great man rather than have all of a less desirable man. I’m just like other women. That’s all I’m saying. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/19/2006 11:09:21 PM | well let me think about that one.........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
Does that answer your question? You have to test drive the car before you buy it. | |
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Joined: 12/17/2005
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/19/2006 11:24:26 PM | ^ You better arrange for an extended warranty while you're at it. Chances are, the parts will start to go and you're pretty little vehicle won't put out the same way she did before you took her home. Oh forget the warranty. You're better off just leasing. That way, you can trade that baby in every couple of years. True...it's more expensive, but you don't have to worry about her breaking down.
Perhaps you can pick up one of those new-fangled smart/hybrid cars, and she can keep her own motor running so you don't have to put any effort in, whatsoever. She can just sit in the garage until you need her, then you take her for a little ride and when it's all over, just lock her up and leave her until you want another little ride again.
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/20/2006 3:10:17 AM | To Adriana:
Also, with an Alpha male, I may have to share. Nevertheless, I would not tolerate a husband, that doesn’t put me first and is not discrete. However, like Hillary is with Bill. She understands that Bill always put her first even though being an Alpha male he would sample other women.
And, just like Hillary, if I catch my husband, I’ll slap his face and he’ll be in the doghouse for a while. However, I’m not so naïve as to believe that he will pass on opportunities when he believes he won’t get caught.
Throughout history, when polygamy was allowed, women willingly would choose to share a great man rather than have all of a less desirable man. I’m just like other women. That’s all I’m saying.
Oh what a wonderfully educated thought(sarcasm).
This chain of reasoning just p1sses me off.
What angers me about this stupid logic is that it encourages the kind of male behavior that gives all of us men a bad name. It encourages all the male idiots / charmers / alphas who are getting in the way of us reasonable objective guys who want something real. In the end, there are a bunch of jaded hurt women with defenses and emotional baggage because their Alpha disappointed them.
And who needs to deal with the resulting carnage. Not the Alphas. You don't see Bill tending to Monica do you. And you probably won't see Bill and Hillary togeather once her political hand has played itself out.
What good is a relationship with anyone if their isn't some element of exclusivity. Isn't that in large part what sex is all about anyway. A special physical / emotional intimate response / connectedness that you share ONLY with someone who is special to you and to whom you are special.
Now if your just looking for a "sponsor" to social climb and acheive wealth and father your children. Then by all means, seek out an Alpha. Or, if you're just looking for some hot sex, seek out an Alpha. But don't try to portray it as some special relationship with a lot of meaning, I don't buy it. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/20/2006 4:44:28 AM |
My comment:It takes courage, discipline, INDEPENDENCE and a level of awaremenss and introspection very very FEW people seem to demonstrate...EVER - Marathonman11x7
Yes, yes. Repeating yourself with the added benefit of CAPITALIZING certain WORDS added to the STRENGTH of your argument.
A non argument for the sake of argument? - Marathonman11x7
No, it simply shows your inability to grasp the meaning of simple, clear English sentences. Someone who doesn't want to wait until marriage is stating that they won't wait under very specific circumstances: a permanent, legally binding commitment. Someone who doesn't want to wait under ANY circumstances wouldn't wait for a day, a week, a month, six months.
I speculate that I CAN and WOULD just as YOU speculate that you WOULDN'T. You are 33 and divorced. The question hinges on finding the "right one" obviously you were NOT the right one for her or she for you or both. Therefore according to you, you do not know. YOU don't know ANYTHING. Your position seems to be that you have no desire to and you believe that you wouldn't. My position is clearly opposite. - Marathonman11x7
Except I'm not speculating. I know I wouldn't wait. I know I'm not going to wait. I am also entirely confident that you won't wait, either. And of the two of us, I am the only one speaking from experience.
I have never waited until MARRIAGE....NOPE.....but the question is "COULD" its SPECUALTIVE in nature. THAT is understood by all. Even someone who is currently married would have to speculate their position to do it again. EVERY post yeah, or nay is speculative and intended that way. - Marathonman11x7
That's right. You have never waited until marriage, which is what this discussion is about. The majority of your sexually active life is effectively over, my friend. If you were going to wait, then you would have done it by now. You talk a fair game, but that's all it is: talk.
I said someone going "stark-raving mad on the dating scene" shows a real emotional promblem that could easily and likely lead to more.At LEAST try to get it right next time. - Marathonman11x7
If you're not going to show any more insight than that into a very real, human situation and jump to simplistic conclusions, then I don't see why you are in any position to demand a more reasonable and fair understanding of your position.
I'm just sayin'.
My view of their circumstances is certainly MUCH more nuanced and FAR less simplistic than saying the woman is simply getting the attention she missed by "stark-raving mad on the dating scene". - Marathonman11x7
You certainly have a talent for copying my dialogue and making it worse. I'll give you that.
The OP's question is speculative by nature and therefore is asking for opinions. I gave mine,you gave yours. It seems that to some a prominent concern has been sexual compatiblity. My position on that has been the claim that you NEED to have sex before marriage to know sexual compatiblity has no merit. It then becomes a matter of principle. A principle the OP's question hinges on.... (how many men would wait till marriage if they met the right woman? Even if you were both NOT virgins, do you think you could wait if that was her choice?) COULD you? Is the ability there? YES.....the question then becomes a matter of will ....would you? I personally have abstained for periods of up to 3 yrs during my sexual life. - Marathonman11x7
Obviously, you do feel that it is necessary to have sex prior to marriage, because you've never had any other kind of sex. Your alleged principle has a large hole in it called "practice" right now. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/20/2006 4:48:47 AM |
Ooli, I agree with you completely. His words and finger pointing both demonstrate his apparent hostility to other points of view. - adriana1986
In this discussion, those who advocate "waiting until marriage" have been the quickest and most consistent to resort to personal attacks and slams. Their responses range from calling people "serial fornicators," to not-so-subtly implying that this thread is full of nothing but horndog men who can't keep it in their pants. They all share the common quality of being curiously unable to view those who disagree with them as moral, respectable human beings whose opinions merely differ from their own.
I can't speak about the low-class men, elsewhere and on this site; however, absolutely men will wait. Especially, desirable men, the kind women want—tall, smart, handsome, and athletic. Also, like Marathonman pointed out, very few men will fall outside the normal range for sexual compatibility. Furthermore, I’m not opposed to being 100 percent sure with discussions and observation during an occasional skinny dipping or playing. - adriana1986
You seem to have quite the fascination with "alpha males," so if you aren't acquainted with low-class men, yet, you will be. Those two types of men often overlap. But you apparently don't have any experience with what you call alpha males, either, if you think that they wait until marriage. And if you think most good-looking, smart, tall, handsome and athletic men are going to be satisfied with a dip in the lake before they get married, in my opinion, you're fooling yourself. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/20/2006 5:20:38 AM | No-part of her being the "right" woman is sexual compatability. It would suck large if, on your wedding night, you find out you suck together. This has happened to me and when it happens, the deal is over. Time to "just be friends". I dated a woman who told me we wouldn't screw for six months. I agreed. We held out for 2 months. She was testing me to see if i was just trying to remove her thong.
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Ooli
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Joined: 12/17/2005
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/20/2006 1:42:23 PM | Adriana:
I think it's wonderful that you have decided to wait. Kudos to you. We have to be true to ourselves.
About the hostility on this thread, I have decided to ignore any posters who are exceedingly rude to me or other people on a consistent basis. What I should have done is report the hostility to the moderators when it started, but I didn't. Instead I responded with flippant answers to his personal attack. *sigh* I have since decided that this was inappropriate. It's just better to ignore people like that and report the offenses to the moderators. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/20/2006 1:51:59 PM | About the hostility on this thread, I have decided to ignore any posters who are exceedingly rude to me or other people on a consistent basis. What I should have done is report the hostility to the moderators when it started, but I didn't. Instead I responded with flippant answers to his personal attack. *sigh* I have since decided that this was inappropriate. It's just better to ignore people like that and report the offenses to the moderators. - Ooli
You'll notice this is my first direct response to you in quite a while, Ooli. That's because someone else was kind enough to show me the thread where you went to the mods complaining that everyone else in this thread was being hostile, when it was generally acknowledged that you and Scraps were doing the baiting, and name-calling.
I have nothing hostile to say to you at all. In fact, I'm the one that started ignoring you, first. If there were an "ignore" feature on this forum, like there is on so many forums, I would gladly put you on iggy. Unfortunately, that is not an option available to me. I've watched you deliberately engage people in other threads just so you could draw back in indignation and inform them that they weren't treating you the way that you wish to be treated. That's fine, and if you're aspiring to be a mod, then by all means, do so. There are many ways of controlling the course of a conversation.
Those of us who have watched you in action, however, know better.
Please feel free to point this post to the mods, because you will note that I have not called you names, been rude or done anything other than state my explicit intent to avoid you in further discussions.
Cheers. | |
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| GUYS!!! If you met the right woman, could you wait for the sex till marriage?
Posted: 2/20/2006 3:51:00 PM |
(Msg 479) I would frankly be concerned that a woman able to wait a year (or years) with no sex of any sort is also the type to be able to go 2 months between sex after marriage.
I married one of these, and it was hell on earth.
BINGO! That's exactly the reason one questions another's abstinence. The same applies to someone who hasn't been in a relationship for years. How important is a relationship to someone if they have not been in one or found one for years?
It's like someone saying, "I have a great work ethic but I've been unemployed for two years." Yea, riiight.
People seem to think sex is all the other person wants. That's not the case. They simply want to know how the other person feels about sex. How important is sex to the other person? How important is working for a living if a guy has been unemployed for two years? You'd think folks could make the connection. Good grief! | |
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