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Tayven
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 1/16/2005 12:22:05 PM | Again you assume to know exactly where I stand on the issues... Where is that... can you tell me... would you prefer the US had a one wing government?
Please tell me where I stand, because you seem to know me and everyone else better than we know ourselves.
There it is, that's about as personally insulting as I'm going to get with you on the issue. You can insult, call names, make personal judgements all you want. But, I will not fall into your trap of hatred. | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 1/16/2005 3:47:05 PM | Tayven:Again you assume to know exactly where I stand on the issues... Where is that...
*I don't believe I did that. I read back and couldn't find it. Can you show me where I did that????
can you tell me... would you prefer the US had a one wing government?
*We DO have a "one wing government"... Did any party say we should pull out of Iraq?
Unlike other "democracies" we only have two parties with any representation in congress and they're about an inch apart!!!
Please tell me where I stand, because you seem to know me and everyone else better than we know ourselves.
*Uh.... Not up to me to tell you where you stand, but I'll argue if I disagree. I consider it my responsibility.
There it is, that's about as personally insulting as I'm going to get with you on the issue. You can insult, call names, make personal judgements all you want. But, I will not fall into your trap of hatred.
*I don't hate you. I leave all my feelings about this here on the thread. I don't carry it around...
I DO hate Bush and his cronies because they're destroying the country, but you're not part of that.... They'd do what they're doing no matter what people like us think; BUT, if enough of us disapprove we might make a difference.... | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:40:16 PM | hmm i found this topic interesting and did a search for recent info only to find that canada as well was guilty of genocide in participating with the usa,s invasion and ocupation of foreign lands.
Canada’s role in depleted uranium weapons worldwide
Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd
The Government of Canada is in non-compliance with the statutes and regulations of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission (CNSC), prohibiting the use of Canadian uranium in depleted uranium (DU) weapons. Moreover, Canada has a bilateral nuclear co-operation agreement with the US, under which uranium exports to the US may only be used for peaceful purposes, and not in weapons. This includes “control over the high enrichment of Canadian uranium and subsequent storage and use of the highly enriched uranium,” a Foreign Affairs document states. The same rules that apply to uranium apply to depleted uranium, according to the CNSC.
DU weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction under international law. Thus Canada may be complicit in the US use of weapons of mass destruction in the 1991 Iraq war I, the 1998 Balkans war, the 2001 war in Afghanistan, and the 2003 Iraq war II, where the British medical journal Lancet estimates that one million civilians have died. In each of these wars, it is likely that depleted uranium in the DU weapons used by the U.S. and the UK comes from Canadian uranium exported to the US and processed in US enrichment plants into depleted uranium and subsequently manufactured into DU weapons.
Depleted uranium is the uranium by-product that remains after the removal of the isotope U-235 during the enrichment process. For every ton of enriched U-235 uranium for the nuclear weapons and nuclear power industries, seven tons of depleted uranium containing the U-238 isotope are made for the munitions, DU weapons, and military armor industries. “Depleted uranium” is a marketing term of the nuclear industry. U-238 depleted uranium was originally discovered as a poison gas weapon of mass destruction during World War II by the Manhattan Project, at the same time as the atomic bomb and Agent Orange. Because DU is pyrophoric, it bursts into high-temperature decomposition upon impact with military armour, releasing nanoparticles of ionizing radiation that contaminate all living things and the environment with deadly radiation with a half-life of 4.5 billion years. The public military excuse for the use of DU munitions, bombs and kinetic penetrators is that DU is heavy and easily penetrates military armour and other targets. The covert strategic military use of DU munitions, smart bombs, and cruise missiles is radiation contamination of terrain, and low level nuclear war against enemy troops, civilian populations, and all unprotected military troops, for purposes of depopulation.
DU weapons & war crimes
After 3 years of investigation by 60 expert witnesses and jurists at a cost of $1 million raised by Japanese citizens, the International Criminal Tribunal For Afghanistan at Tokyo on March 10, 2004 found President George W. Bush guilty of the war crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes for the use of depleted uranium (DU) weapons by US forces in the 2001 war against Afghanistan.
Experts agree that a substantial portion of the depleted uranium in the DU weapons used by the US in Afghanistan came from Canadian uranium. Had the Tokyo Tribunal been diligent, it could have found Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, who resigned as Prime Minister on December 12, 2003, guilty as an accessory to genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes, for failing to enforce Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission regulations, and the Canada-US Nuclear Cooperation Agreement, both of which prohibit Canadian uranium from being used in DU weapons.
Dr. Gordon Edwards, president of the Montreal-based Canadian Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility (CCNR) says, “Canada may have the policy, but it’s not enforced. The Canadian government is taking directions and orders from the nuclear industry… “The uranium industry has a vested interest in ensuring its depleted uranium waste makes a profit and is not just left in storage. That’s why some of Canada’s depleted uranium is ending up in weapons, Edwards says. “The Canadian government can’t even think for themselves.”
Depleted uranium in Hawaii
The depleted uranium that has contaminated the Hawaiian Islands with deadly radiation most probably has a Canadian uranium source. It is highly probable that the depleted uranium in DU munitions fired at bases on the Big Island and at military bases on Oahu, and in the nuclear weapons stored at Pearl Harbour is derived from Canadian uranium, exported to the US and processed into enriched uranium and DU.
Public health effects of DU weapons
The public health and environmental effects of the use of depleted uranium (DU) weapons can be considered per se violations of the war crime of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes under the Statute of the International Criminal Court. The demonstrated public health effects of depleted uranium (DU) weapons include: diabetes, cancer, birth defects, chronic diseases caused by neurological and neuromuscular radiation damage, mitochondrial diseases (chronic fatigue syndrome, Lou Gehrig’s, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease, heart and brain disorders), global DNA damage in men’s sperm, infertility in women, learning disabilities (such as autism and dyslexia), mental illness, infant mortality and low birth weights, increase in death rates and decrease in birth rates.
The Prime Minister stonewalls
So far, the Conservative government and the Liberal opposition have failed to take a public position on Canada’s failure to stop the illegal use of its uranium in DU weapons. Stephen Harper refused to allow any Conservative MPs to appear on a June 13, 2007 North American radio special programme on the Canadian DU issue. Despite repeated conversations with Stephane Dion’s personal press attaché and attempts to reach Liberal MP and Foreign Affairs critic Ujjal Dosanjh, the Liberal Party chose not to send a representative to the Canadian DU radio programme. Liberal MP Dr. Keith Martin, MD, a physician and former Parliamentary Secretary for the Minister of Defence in the Paul Martin Government, appeared on a radio programme on the Canadian DU issue and stated that in his opinion, there were no adverse public health consequences to the use of DU weapons.
By contrast, at a May 12, 2007 Uranium-free BC Forum at the Brilliant Centre in Castlegar, BC, NDP MP Alex Atamanenko (Southern Interior) publicly stated he was opposed to the use of Canadian uranium in DU weapons. Atamanenko seeks Canadian legislation banning DU weapons, as Belgium has passed. On the June 13, 2007 Canadian DU radio programme, Atamanenko publicly committed to question the Prime Minister in the House of Commons on why Canada was not enforcing its regulations and treaty obligations against the use of its uranium in DU weapons. Connie Fogal, Leader of the Canadian Action Party, which passed a resolution in support of Canadian legislation outlawing DU weapons, committed to work against the use of Canadian DU in American weapons. Adriane Carr, Deputy Leader of the Green Party of Canada likewise committed to demand enforcement of Canada’s prohibitions against use of its uranium in DU weapons.
;What path is Canada taking?
Unbeknownst to the public, the Government of Canada seems to have strayed into aiding and abetting the serious war crimes of DU-induced genocide and crimes against humanity. By contrast, British Columbia has maintained a moratorium on uranium mining since the 1970s. There is substantial community support for a permanent ban on uranium exploration and mining in BC, as the recent Uranium-free BC Forum in Castlegar suggested. The detrimental impacts of uranium exploration and mining on public health and the environment is the driving force behind the ban.
Under the guise of combating climate change, the nuclear industry, led by the Bush Administration, is now promoting nuclear power plants to the tiger economies of India, China, Japan, and South Korea. Because of ionizing radiation and the nuclear waste issue, this amounts to a low level nuclear war against these populations. NASA recently reported vast uranium deposits in Khazakhstan and Afghanistan. Khazakhstan is expected to out-produce Canada (now the world’s top producer) in uranium production within 12 years.
One might rationally ask: Why not ban uranium exploration and mining in BC, and organize collectively to secure a uranium exploration and mining ban in Saskatchewan, Ontario and Quebec? The public policy reasons for the ban on uranium exploration and mining in the rest of Canada – public heath and environment – are equally valid throughout Canada, as they are in BC.
Let’s sunset our Canadian uranium industry. That is a practical way to save the health of Canadians, the environment, and innocent victims worldwide.
reading this article ade me sick to think a so called peace keeping country would allow something like this to happen. i think we should follow up and hold chretien and bush liable for the crimes they have done to humanity
hopefully one day they will be held accountable for their actions | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:55:08 PM | | ^^^I agree trblmkr. Bush,Cheny, his administration and the generals and oficers who utilize such a sick uses of DU should all be hekld accountable. It is sad that they give a black eye to the majority of Americans who just want our troops home and pray for peace. | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/12/2008 10:24:12 PM | I guess all you people afraid of DU had better stop flying on airliners & stay away from airports etc. DU has been used for counterbalance weights for decades. I used to have a lump of it that must have weighed 40lb. Tested it for radiation before I bought it home & it registered lower than my Chevy...
It will mess you up if you take a file to it & then inhale the dust. However, it's generally recommended that you don't do that...
You can pick the stuff up at just about any aircraft salvage yard.... | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/13/2008 9:05:47 PM | http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
heres another great link we should all send emails to thank the bush family
Oct. 2006: President George W. Bush signed the Department of Defense Authorization legislation. The House amendment was authored and introduced by Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wa.) ordering a comprehensive study — with a report due in one year — on possible adverse health effects on U.S. soldiers from the U.S. military’s use of DU — Depleted Uranium. The Senate companion bill was backed by Joe Lieberman of Conn., a democrat at the time. (McDermott’s Web site: www.house.gov/mcdermott)
Feb. 6, 2007: The New York newspaper, The Post Chronicle, reported that U.S. government scientists at the Ames Laboratory in Iowa say they are close to developing nanostructured material of tungsten and metallic glass to eliminate the use of depleted uranium in ammunition. In a recent phone call by The News-Journal to senior scientist Dan Sordelet, reported to be leading the research team, he said he is "no longer working on that" and declined to give any further information.
March 23, 2007: The Tico Times of San Jose, Costa Rica, reported that the U.S. and Costa Rican activists are lobbying to enlist Costa Rica’s Nobel Peace Prize winner and disarmament defender to lead their uphill battle against the military use of a popular radioactive weapon.
April 3, 2007: ABC News Online, Australia, reports that the Australian Veterans Affairs Minister Bruce Billson says he is concerned the group "Depleted Uranium Silent Killer," which is opposed to the use of depleted uranium weapons, is using Gulf War veterans to run an anti-uranium scare campaign. The group says overseas tests confirm two Sunshine Coast veterans from the first Gulf War — one in the Army and the other in the Navy — were exposed to the heavy metal during their service 15 years ago.
April 10, 2007: Star Tribune (Minn., Mn.) reports a state Senate committee OK’d a bill providing for testing veteran national guardsmen returning from Iraq to see if dust from spent-uranium munitions has harmed them. Link: www.startribune.com/587/story/1112856.html
to all the patriots out there, your soldiers are killing themselves with weapons supplied to them knowingly by there own president. doesnt this seem a little bit wrong?
Absorption of depleted uranium
About 98% of uranium entering the body via ingestion is not absorbed, but is eliminated via the faeces. Typical gut absorption rates for uranium in food and water are about 2% for soluble and about 0.2% for insoluble uranium compounds.
The fraction of uranium absorbed into the blood is generally greater following inhalation than following ingestion of the same chemical form. The fraction will also depend on the particle size distribution. For some soluble forms, more than 20% of the inhaled material could be absorbed into blood.
Of the uranium that is absorbed into the blood, approximately 70% will be filtered by the kidney and excreted in the urine within 24 hours; this amount increases to 90% within a few days.
Potential health effects of exposure to depleted uranium
In the kidneys, the proximal tubules (the main filtering component of the kidney) are considered to be the main site of potential damage from chemical toxicity of uranium. There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure.
In a number of studies on uranium miners, an increased risk of lung cancer was demonstrated, but this has been attributed to exposure from radon decay products. Lung tissue damage is possible leading to a risk of lung cancer that increases with increasing radiation dose. However, because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer.
Erythema (superficial inflammation of the skin) or other effects on the skin are unlikely to occur even if DU is held against the skin for long periods (weeks).
No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver.
No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans.
Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported.
Maximum radiation exposure limits and their limited application to uranium and depleted uranium
The International Basic Safety Standards, agreed by all applicable UN agencies in 1996, provide for radiation dose limits above normal background exposure levels.
The general public should not receive a dose of more than 1 millisievert (mSv) in a year. In special circumstances, an effective dose of up to 5 mSv in a single year is permitted provided that the average dose over five consecutive years does not exceed 1 mSv per year. An equivalent dose to the skin should not exceed 50 mSv in a year.
Occupational exposure should not exceed an effective dose of 20 mSv per year averaged over five consecutive years or an effective dose of 50 mSv in any single year. An equivalent dose to the extremities (hands and feet) or the skin should not surpass 500 mSv in a year.
In case of uranium or DU intake, the radiation dose limits are applied to inhaled insoluble uranium-compounds only. For all other exposure pathways and the soluble uranium-compounds, chemical toxicity is the factor that limits exposure.
Guidance on exposure based on chemical toxicity of uranium
WHO has guidelines for determining the values of health-based exposure limits or tolerable intakes for chemical substances. The tolerable intakes given below are applicable to long-term exposure of the general public (as opposed to workers). For single and short-term exposures, higher exposure levels may be tolerated without adverse effects.
The general public's intake via inhalation or ingestion of soluble DU compounds should be based on a tolerable intake value of 0.5 µg per kg of body weight per day. This leads to an air concentration of 1 µg/m3 for inhalation, and about 11 mg/y for ingestion by the average adult.
Insoluble uranium compounds with very low absorption rate are markedly less toxic to the kidney, and a tolerable intake via ingestion of 5 µg per kg of body weight per day is applicable.
When the solubility characteristics of the uranium compounds are not known, which is often the case in exposure to DU, it would be prudent to apply 0.5 µg per kg of body weight per day for ingestion.
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/13/2008 11:26:14 PM | ^^^^try researching u.s. soldiers illness from depleted uranium.
Better yet, why not join up and start firing rounds that contain depleted uranium....come back and let us know how that worked out for you.
I already did my time in the USAF smartass, what branch of the military did you serve with?
The reason people are getting sick from it in war zones is because it ends up everywhere as a fine dust surrounding whatever you hit with it. This is why they tell you not to play with destroyed tanks etc, however, every bloody idiot wants a souvenir so they go play with the destroyed tanks etc...
There are domestic water supplies in the US with higher levels of Uranium in them.... | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/14/2008 7:47:41 AM | hmm so u are saying that depleted uranium doesnt hurt anyone?
maybe one shell all alone isnt that bad, but how many millions of rounds have they shot and left to pollute the environment when they go invade a country?
maybe have a look at the long term destruction these forms of weapons have on not just this generation of humans but the next as well
so you are saying the only ones gettin sick are the souvenir hunters?
what kind of a souvenir is this depleted uranium? nuclear powerstations are throwing this stuff away prior to them using it for weapons of mass destruction,this is a far cheaper way for governments to get rid of their hazardous waste, just invade someone or start a war with them and litter their country with your hazardous waste. and you stand there and justify it with your lame arguement that its naturally occuring and even water levels in the usa have higher levels?
well id personally be curious as to why the uranium levels are that high and get some investigations and charges goin against the people that are polluting your waterways
that would be the logical route to go with it
and just because you have polluted your own country doesnt give the americans the right to pollute another persons country.some heroes , disfiguring the next 5 generations of children.
how do you justify them using weapons of mass destruction on a liberation exercise?
du weapons are classified as wmd .
if they had just nuked iraq, the world would have turned on the usa
however they pull off a small scale nuclear holocaust on the country and we all just sit back and grin and nod as we watch the price of oil go up | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 2:27:39 PM | Apparently you seem to be having some trouble comprehending what it written right in front of your nose. I'll type this slowly to help you comprehend...
The DU rounds are used to destroy tanks etc. The military tell the people on the ground to stay the **** away from anything that has been hit. There is a LOT of destroyed crap on the ground in Iraq so there's a lot of stuff that you have to stay away from.
With me so far?
They are NOT picking up DU for souvenirs, they are picking up bits of Tank etc that are coated with this crap.
The reason there is uranium in some domestic US water supplies is because it's naturally occuring. There's a town near here where the level is ridiculously high, something like 200 time the allowed level. When they built that town they diodn't know what Uranium was & originally it was fouind to be something like 5x the allowed level, but they keep lowering the amount allowed so what was 5x the safe level is now 200x the safe level, but the actual amount hasn't changed.
It has NOTHING to do with anyone deliberately polluting the water supplies. Of course the perfect answer would be to dig up all the naturally occuring Uranium & turn it into something else. But the envirothickos don't want it dug up & they don't want it left in the ground so until some genius invents a Star Trek teleporter to send it off planet there's not much anyone can do. | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/14/2008 2:49:15 PM | apparently you are the one with trouble understanding reality
typing slow is irrelevant since im not watching you type
duh.... sheeeesh
maybe your wise brain could tell us all how unborn babies are being affected by the du weapons
after all, i doubt pregnant others are going diggging thru bombed out tanks and i highly doubt theyre husbands are delivering radioactive materials to the baby wards
best to stop preaching those lies and get into reality. the usa has launched a nuclear invasion on a non nuclear country, just because there wasnt a mushroom cloud doesnt alleviate the reality that this is a crime against humanity.and future humanity as well. these weapons were used against an entire culture and religious group
im starting to think the suicide bombers are doing the right thing these days as we get more and more information about the crimes and attrocities being commited
when you have no other recourse or defence, sometimes unconventional attacks are your only way out
when you are dying of cancer given to you by an invader, sometimes its worth it to strap on a bomb and end your own life by taking as many of them parasites with you. i know if my family was wiped out and my unborn babies were being deformed and genetically destroyed because of some greedy president ,that i would definately be a little less prone to care how the invaders died.
you like to act and talk tuff , how would you feel if instead of an iraqui baby , it was your newly born granddaughter? if you found out that a du weapon infected her who would you hold accountable as you looked at her deformed body?
some kinda country based on christian values, i must say , the gift of death ..........
Special Weapons’ Have a Fallout on Babies
by Ali al-Fadhily and Dahr Jamail
FALLUJAH - Babies born in Fallujah are showing illnesses and deformities on a scale never seen before, doctors and residents say.
The new cases, and the number of deaths among children, have risen after “special weaponry” was used in the two massive bombing campaigns in Fallujah in 2004.
After denying it at first, the Pentagon admitted in November 2005 that white phosphorous, a restricted incendiary weapon, was used a year earlier in Fallujah.
In addition, depleted uranium (DU) munitions, which contain low-level radioactive waste, were used heavily in Fallujah. The Pentagon admits to having used 1,200 tonnes of DU in Iraq thus far.
Many doctors believe DU to be the cause of a severe increase in the incidence of cancer in Iraq, as well as among U.S. veterans who served in the 1991 Gulf War and through the current occupation.
“We saw all the colours of the rainbow coming out of the exploding American shells and missiles,” Ali Sarhan, a 50-year-old teacher who lived through the two U.S. sieges of 2004 told IPS. “I saw bodies that turned into bones and coal right after they were exposed to bombs that we learned later to be phosphorus.
“The most worrying is that many of our women have suffered loss of their babies, and some had babies born with deformations.”
“I had two children who had brain damage from birth,” 28-year-old Hayfa’ Shukur told IPS. “My husband has been detained by the Americans since November 2004 and so I had to take the children around by myself to hospitals and private clinics. They died. I spent all our savings and borrowed a considerable amount of money.”
Shukur said doctors told her that it was use of the restricted weapons that caused her children’s brain damage and subsequent deaths, “but none of them had the courage to give me a written report.”
“Many babies were born with major congenital malformations,” a paediatric doctor, speaking on condition of anonymity, told IPS. “These infants include many with heart defects, cleft lip or palate, Down’s syndrome, and limb defects.”
The doctor added, “I can say all kinds of problems related to toxic pollution took place in Fallujah after the November 2004 massacre.”
Many doctors speak of similar cases and a similar pattern. The indications remain anecdotal, in the absence of either a study, or any available official records.
The Fallujah General Hospital administration was unwilling to give any statistics on deformed babies, but one doctor volunteered to speak on condition of anonymity — for fear of reprisals if seen to be critical of the administration.
“Maternal exposure to toxins and radioactive material can lead to miscarriage and frequent abortions, still birth, and congenital malformation,” the doctor told IPS. There have been many such cases, and the government “did not move to contain the damage, or present any assistance to the hospital whatsoever.
“These cases need intensive international efforts that provide the highest and most recent technologies that we will not have here in a hundred years,” he added.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) expressed concern Mar. 31 about the lack of medical supplies in hospitals in Baghdad and Basra.
“Hospitals have used up stocks of vital medical items, and require further supplies to cope with the influx of wounded patients. Access to water remains a matter of concern in certain areas,” the ICRC said in a statement.
A senior Iraqi health ministry official was quoted as saying Feb. 26 that the health sector is under “great pressure”, with scores of doctors killed, an exodus of medical personnel, poor medical infrastructure, and shortage of medicines.
“We are experiencing a big shortage of everything,” said the official, “We don’t have enough specialist doctors and medicines, and most of the medical equipment is outdated.
“We used to get many spinal and head injures, but were unable to do anything as we didn’t have enough specialists and medicines,” he added. “Intravenous fluid, which is a simple thing, is not available all the time.” He said no new hospitals had been built since 1986.
Iraqi Health Minister Salih al-Hassnawi highlighted the shortage of medicines at a press conference in Arbil in the Kurdistan region in the north Feb. 22. “The Iraqi Health Ministry is suffering from an acute shortage of medicines…We have decided to import medicines immediately to meet the needs.”
He said the 2008 health budget meant that total expenditure on medicines, medical equipment and ambulances would amount to an average of 22 dollars per citizen.
But this is too late for the unknown number of babies and their families who bore the consequences of the earlier devastation. And it is too little to cover the special needs of babies who survived with deformations | |
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| Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/14/2008 4:32:01 PM | Ok, just to clear up a couple of things:
#1: I'm not religious at all.
#2: I really couldn't care less about people on the othe side of the planet. Their lives & what they do with them doesn't even register. I have other things to think about just a bit closer to home.
Wait, lets make it 3 things:
#3: It wouldn't cause me to loose ANY sleep if someone decided to dig a nuclear trench southwards all the way from Istanbul to Nairobi & maybe Eastwards as far as Korea.
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Posted: 6/14/2008 5:13:44 PM | well obviously you lack intelligence and compassion for your fellow man. therefore your arguments are selfishly based and i must add, moot
your religious ideologies are irrelevant as you are merely one of the pawns , you have no power , ergo i wasnt referring to you when i made mention of a so called christian country
realistically i dont see why you dont go lay down in a pile of the du debris
such a cold hearted response from an elderly guy who must have at one time had some semblance of compassion for someone other than yourself .
this thread isnt about killing killers. its about the victims, the civilians and unborn children, the mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers
people who only want to live in peace, these are the ones being eradicated. only to leave the war mongering terrorists with no compassion, kinda like you . how will you feel when all that s left in this world is cold hearted people like yourself, with only selfish concerns
it isnt those people on the other side of the planet doing this to themselves smart guy, its YOUR people fdoing it to them. apparently YOUR people want something they have and are willing to murder them from grandparents to fetusses to get it
it isnt a war they are having its a bloody genocide. these civilians arent terrorists, they may have a different culture and religion than you or your neighbor but that doenst justify mounting a nuclear invasion on them
you need to seriously look into getting some form of perspective . | |
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