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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 12:06:15 PM | | Religion is not the cause of warfare, nothing is, war is to complex for any one reason to be the cause of war. Religions are often one of the underlying reasons for the war, or can be the exuse used to justify going to war though. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 12:14:00 PM | Religions are often one of the underlying reasons for the war
Bright, there we have it again, religion OFTEN underlying reasons for war. Its a myth as big as Atlantis and believed by many..Its an easy target for anti-religionists and as Late is fond of saying a fallacy and dishonest.. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 1:21:41 PM | | THAI: There is a connection between religion and war. Look at Exodus, David, hell the entire OT. That WAS the reason for WAR. Territory in the name of religion. You put Hitler under the NOT RELIGIOUS catagory and I would like to see him transitioned over to the RELIGIOUS catagory. The fuel for his anger stemmed from anti-semitism. Furthermore, let us look at CENTURIES of unrest between the Muslims, Isreales and Palistinians. The entire HolyLand has been at constant war with each other over land promised by their religions. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 1:40:15 PM | Luck-N-Fate, I'll try and not get the F and L reversed here..
F.........L
"anti-semitism"..right anti-semite. Jews not religious jews. There were/are alot of non religious Jews.
Ok the crusades. Done in the name of religion agreed. But again it was about gaining territory i.e. Jerusalem. These "christian crusaders" have not one iota of text in the New Testament to justify heading out to war. Christianity is a pacifist teaching..Love your enemies!! How, by invading them???
Israel/Palestinians.. Fighting over how to divide up the holy land, not whether they are Jewish or Arab religionists. Its easy to label one side Jewish and the other side Muslim..That is not the cause as there are also Christian Palestians and Christian Jews.. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 2:16:30 PM | You are wise to keep the L & F appropriate. :)
Most religious wars do not have the text to justify the war, but do just the same.
Is anti-semitism not an underlying religious justification?
Are not Isreal/Palestinians not fighting over how their religions told them to divide the lands? I know there is relgious diversity in those lands, but the diverse are not the ones making the political decisions. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 2:27:22 PM | Is anti-semitism not an underlying religious justification
Well I would'nt haggle over that, six o' one and a half dozen of the other..
Are not Isreal/Palestinians not fighting over how their religions told them to divide the lands? I know there is relgious diversity in those lands, but the diverse are not the ones making the political decisions.
Well, not so much the religious side from the Israeli point of view. All goes back to the British Mandate and the UN that allowed Israel the right to the land when the whole area was chopped up and doled out to various tribal chiefs. Transjordan which if I remeber right was part of the UN deal to Israel. No Arab nation cried foul when Jordan annexed the land.
As for the Palestians/Arab/Muslim community, any land previously conquered or occupied by the Muslims is considered "Umma" or the house of Islam. They feel it is their duty to free that land and put it back in Islamic control. So on their part it could be argued that it is religious in nature. But where they can get this "Umma" thing from the Koran I don't know.. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 2:32:04 PM | Its an easy target for anti-religionists and as Late is fond of saying a fallacy and dishonest..
Agreed, especially if it's offered as an "axiom", ie: "Religion Causes Wars".
Conversely:
To deny that some wars don't have a causal relationship with religious fanaticism, is a tenuous argument too.
But where they can get this "Umma" thing from the Koran I don't know..
Fanatics have no problem misinterpreting their own religious writings, this goes for any flavour of fanatic. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 2:42:06 PM | How about the fact that America completly backs of Isreal regardless of their actions...
I have heard many fundamental Christians tell me that the bible says that anyone who does support Isreal (Jews) will be damned.
I have heard these same people talk about how they are waiting for the rapture to happen when all the christians will be raised to heaven and all the nonbelievers will be blown up and a river of blood will cover the land. However, this will not happen till the temple is rebuilt...which is currently occupied by the muslins. Hence if they can get rid of muslims rebuild the temple they can get everyone to be blown up and christ will come again. What a loving sweet thing to be wishing for. Of course I am sure this does not influence our support of Isreal...right
Just read a bit about this in the number 1 christian best seller "Left Behind" | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 3:08:09 PM | Good question RealThing.. Why does the US back Israel?? Some say the Jews have infiltrated their way into the running of the States. I think thats what Hilter accused them off, meddling in the affairs of Germany.
You are right, one "end time" view is that the Jewish Temple will be rebulit. Some Orthodox Jews are getting their acts together for when that happens. According to reports they have already bred a Red Heiffer needed to purify the temple etc. Some Christians beleive that the return of Israel to its former lands is a fullfilling of biblical prophecy. And that this will lead to the battle in Armageddio... As the Chinese say "may you live in interesting times".. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 3:27:20 PM |
I have heard many fundamental Christians tell me that the bible says that anyone who does support Isreal (Jews) will be damned.
See:
Fanatics have no problem misinterpreting their own religious writings, this goes for any flavour of fanatic.
Consider the history of the west re: Imperialism/Colonialism/Hegemony favouring corporate interests.
The struggle in the region is best understood by this simple formula:
Follow The Money...........
No need to go back further than 1917 on this one. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 3:31:42 PM | Follow The Money...........
Interesting, I once read a book about the "Jewish Conspiracy". The author claimed that when Jesus tossed the money changers out of the temple they went out to conquer the world with banking. Rothschilds is interlocked with the US banking system. I would need to do some restudy to follow that line. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 4:00:10 PM | I would need to do some restudy to follow that line.
Rothschilds? you'll find the Vatican financially connected to similar economic blocks too.
JP Morgan, Wall St. and the U.S. Federal reserve helped finance Birtish Colonialism in the region now known as Iraq when Churchill was it's viceroy, circa 1920.
This is a matter of historical record.
In regards to religious "conspiracy", the evidence of the west's involvement is very clear.
Often those who need to attach "religion" as a causality in the current mess, looking for reasons to bolster their theories of religious conspiracy, ...ignore the atrocities in the region during the early 20th century, commited by the UK, financed in part by Corporate America which had it's own agenda.
Either way, not a very good foundation for disproving the existence of any "Gods"
It's moot, it can't be done using logic, nor can the existence of "Gods" be proved via logic, be they "Allah", "Jesus", or "Zeus".
Edit: threads can have valid sub-topics, however; if the sub-topic causes a thread to veer from the subject topic, it is off-topic = deleted.
Just trying to keep the thread on track. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 4:07:25 PM |
Either way, not a very good foundation for disproving the existence of any "Gods
I'm not implying that, its just the way the thread has "evolved" and things spring to mind while reading other posters comments.
Following the money is an interesting topic for sure though.. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 4:12:04 PM |
Bright, there we have it again, religion OFTEN underlying reasons for war. Its a myth as big as Atlantis and believed by many..Its an easy target for anti-religionists and as Late is fond of saying a fallacy and dishonest..
Realy Thai_Song_Greet? Well lets look at each one of those examples you provided then shall we?
Egypt - not over religion
Well as you stated in the anchient world before this one,we shall leave out "The War Of Atrittion." as that is relitevly recent.
Akhenaton... intorduced the concept of monothiesm to Egypt and Civil war broke out.
Peribsen identified himself with the god Seth instead of Horus. In the past Horus had been associated with the Delta, while the Seth cult had been near Nakada of upper Egypt. Peribsen seems to have introduced the Seth cult into the northeastern Delta.
Khasekhem, who was loyal to Horus, put 47,209 Libyans to death. After this war he may have changed his name to (or was succeeded by) Khasekhemui Nebuihotpimef, which means "the two powers are arisen, the two lords are at peace in him."
So yes Egypt did go to war over religion, the two thrones of the old dynast were only united after a Peribsen adopted the Linyan gods, then was murdered by Khasekhem who returned The upper nile to it previous Horus worship and the lower nile to its Seth worship.
Assyria - not over religion
Tiglath-Pileser tried to prevent the Arameanians from setling on Asyrian land, outlawing them from purchusing materials such as stone, clay and other building materials. The practicing of Arameanian religions was baned also. as religion was prety much the only thing that Identified the Arameanians as being difrent from the asyrians, I would say that was grounds for war on the bassis of religion.
Babylon - not over religion
Babylon was part of the Asyrian Empire. I shall asume you actualy mean Babylonia.
Bablonian kings had the title god, and were considered to be extreamly powerfull people at the time, thier influence extend out beyond thier own lands (just like the pope or the bahmins today). However the Hittites (whose kings were called Man of... ) took offence at the inferance that Babylonian kings were god and atacked Babylionia. Along and blody war took place which resulted in the sacking of Babylon. Just in case you think that the Hittites were only ater Babylonias lands, they actualy di dnot keep them for themselves, they turned Babylon over to The Kassites for example.
Persia - not over religion
Persia (Iran) has been ruled by over 30 difrent empires that we know of, which empire are you actualy refering to?
Greece - not over religion
Tell that to Alexander the great. He wanted to bring "Enlightenment" to the world, in particular to Cathay. He went to war to bring Greek culture to many difrent countries, part of that culture happens to be Greek religion, so yes he did go to war over religion
Rome - not over religion
Again I shall asume you mean the Roman empire and not just the city state of Rome.
Nero burned down the homes of Christians and fed them to lions and all sorts of other things. There were civil wars and decenting empires (the Eastern Roman empire, the Gaulish Empire, the 2nd Gaulish Empire, ect). Nt to mention that rome went to war with many nations to expand its borders, but in doing so imposed roman religion on the invaded cultures. Also the fall of Constantinople in 1453 was due to a religious crusade. Contstantinople in 1453 was STILL the centre of the Eastern Roman Empire.
Nebuchadnezzar - did not fight over religion
Went into Jerusalem and raised the Temples to the ground, then went on to concor Judah.
Egyptian Pharoahs - did not fight over religion
Refer back to my post about Egypt. The Egyptian Pharoahs were constantly fighting others and themselves over religion, to say otherwise is to have no understanding of Egyptian history. Go read up about the old dynasty kingdoms.
Alexander the Great - did not fight over religion
He concored half the known world in order to impose Greek culture on it. Part of that culture was Greek religion. It may not have been the only thing he faought over, but it was part of it!
Roman Caesars - did not fight over religion
Again I refer you to my previous post. Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (Nero) hated the Christians and had many tortured and killed, as a result there were civil wars. He is not the only Caesar to fight over religion though, Titus Flavius Vespasianus (Vespavius), Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus (Caligula), Caesar Augustus (Octavian), although to be fair, Caligula was completely insane.
Attila the Hun - did not fight over religion
You may or may not be corect here, I can find no direct evidence of Attilas religious convicions at all. In fact about the only piece of evidence to do with religion at all, is a qoute from Callinicus, in his Life of Saint Hypatius.
"Ay, for they took captive the churches and monasteries and slew the monks and maidens in great numbers. "
But that hardly proves that the war was religious, as there could be many posible explintaions for such events.
Genghis Khan - did not fight over religion
You are corect in this one. Genghis Khan is only just now becoming known for his advocacy of religious tolerance among his populace.
Napoleon - did not fight over religion
Realy? I thought part of what the french revelution was about, was overthowing religion? Why else did the Revolutionaries remove all refence to gods from the french calender? Any referance to god or gods was removed from French society, even changing the year from 1792 to L1. Napoleon was part of this anti-thiestic movement.
Hitler - did not fight over religion
Ha Ha, very funny. I suppose you are right, he didnt fight over religion, he masacared in the name of it. We do not nead to argue if he was or was not actualy christian, to be able to say that he persecuted and killed people because of thier religious beliefs and threatened any country that had Jews within thier borders. But all of this is on a difrent thread.
Mao - did not fight over religion
I do not know enougth about Chairman Mao Tse-tung to argue it, so I just refer you to this instead.
http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/ancheemin/particulars.shtml
Stalin - did not fight over religion (in fact, he fought for non-religion!)
Just days before Stalin's death, certain religious sects such as Jehovah's Witnesses, were outlawed and persecuted. Many were rehoused or deported, some disapeared alltogether.
Saddam Hussein - did not fight over religion (in fact he killed others of his own religion!)
He killed many Muslims, but he killed few other Sunni Muslims, those he did kill were not of the Tikriti tribe, to which he belonged. Just because he killed the ocasional disenting voice and Shiite/Kurd sypathiser, dose not mean he did not comit genocide on peoples of difering religions. Arguing that he can not have Religious motives as he also killed people of his own religion is highly spurios.
Since 1776, America has fought ten major conflicts - and none of these centered on religion.
None of them centred on religion, that is true. The American wars of Independance centred around a disagreament on tax, but that disagreament quickly spread to other areas of colonial culture, such as the legitimacy of state-supported churches
There was also the fealing amoung the pious colonists that all kings are blasphemous idolaters who claim a sovereignty over other human beings that rightfully belongs only to God.
Is there any evidence that before the advent of the world's great religions human beings behaved in a less warlike or murderous manner? Hardly. The opposite is the case. Man has never needed religious excuses to make war, and the 20th Century was no exception:
What are you actualy trying to say here? Religion has Always been part of human society just as war has. Just what exactly are the great religions of man anyway? If you wish to go by no: of people folowing that religion, then Shamanic Practice wins out over the entire span of history. If you wish to go by the longest lasting religion, then again Shamanic Practice wins out, also if you go for most wide spread, Shamanic Practice wins. And guess what, difrent Shamanic tribes went to war with each other all the time, the Tutsi and the Hutu for example.
the Irish and English have been warring with one another since the 14th century -that's 200 years prior to the Reformation!
Sorry to tell you this, but the Irish and the British have been waring for a lot longer than that, the romans had trouble with invading Irish armies in the first century, and that was not the start of it.
Just because the two countries have been fighting constantly however, dose not mean that the present troubles are not Religiously motivated. Speaking from personal experiance, I can tell you for certain that religion plays a MAJOUR role. But then you have probly never had to ask a girl if she was Protestant or Catholic before you asked her on a date, because if you didnt you could be putting both your lives at risk! DO NOT EVER tell me the problems in Ireland are not Religiously motivated. Why dont you go to Belfast and tell 5 random people you are a Protestant, or go to Dublin and tell 5 people you are a Catholic, and then just see how long you live.
Wars can be Religiously motivated and Northern Ireland is proof of that, if you do not belive me, just try being of one religion and dating another whilst in Ireland, you will probly be woken to the site of your headles beloved a week later! | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 4:21:35 PM | Wow Bright, you've out Feraled Feral here..
I will just address your final point though.
Ireland, regardless of the dating scene there. The squabble has been about getting the English out of Ireland (Now called the rebublic). Northen Ireland dominated by the English loving Scots want to keep their piece of Ireland under the "Rule Brittania "Flag.
It not about religion..too be sure,
Ya'll be having me believe that the Indians kicked the Raj out of India on religious grounds next... | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 4:37:31 PM | Not about Religion? Just try living there! When you see a person of Irish decent, shot in his home, for being a Protestant instead of a True Irish Catholic, and can still claim it is not to do with religion, then I might listen to your views!
I know its so VERY close minded of me, but I have seen what is going on in my country and I doubt you have, untill you know what you are talking about, I have no wish to discus this with you.  | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 4:44:58 PM | | OK Bright, no problem. I have travelled Ireland, being of Irish decent. I won't argue there is hostilities between the two, and while the religion thing is an easy way of naming the combatants its a matter of control not religion...or "follow the money".. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 5:18:56 PM | When I was younger I would just blindly accept the supposed fact that there was a God and that someday we would all be with him up in heaven. The reason for my belief was not some supernatural spiritual awakening or some innate sense that there was indeed a God; my belief stemmed from the fact that I was told by people - parents, grandparents, friends, e.t.c - since an early age that there was a God and that I would eventually be reunited with long-lost relatives in heaven before God. I believed because I was supposed to believe; and the notion that there was a heaven and a God seemed so magical and beautiful that I wanted to believe.
However, in the last few years or so, I have become increasingly skeptical about the existence of any God. I currently label myself an Agnostic. And, the more I think about it, the Agnostic position seems to make the most sense to me. For all of those people that are true believers - they can't PROVE anything. And by the same token, for all of those Atheists - they can't DISPROVE anything. But the Agnositc simply and accurately says "I just don't know". There could be a God; there could also be no God. I just don't know.
And the thing about the bible. I have a very, very hard time accepting that not only is the bible the world of God, but that the bible was handed down and passed on to generation after generation - thousands of years - without being corrupted, manipulated, changed, or adulterated in any way. I mean COME ON! And not only that, but there are countless Bible scholars and teachers who can't even agree on what some of the words in the bible really mean. Therefore, certain passages and statements in the bible mean one thing to this person and something entirely different to someone else. For example, the word "AION". To a Christian Fundamentalist, the word "AION" denotes an infinite amount of time that has no end. To a Universalist the word "AION" denotes a time period that has a beginning and an end. So, what happens is certain bible translators translate the word accoring to their own set of beliefs: AION means eternal in some bibles; other bibles it means "age abiding" or pertaining to an age. The whole concept of Hell - which to me is one of the worst tragedies and blasphemies ever propogated by Religion or the Bible - hinges on the accurate translation of this world AION and EON.............
If there were a God, I personally feel that he would not have left something as important as salvation, and the paths to get there, in the hands of men who are by nature evil and corrupt. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 8:13:57 PM | Is it enough to believe cause someone told you rather then use your brain and figure it out for yourself? What if "they" are wrong?
If I or they are wrong then I will simply not exist when I die but if your wrong......... You can take that chance I will not. If it makes me a fool then I will die a happy fool. I hope that you change your mind so that we may meet on the other side and drink of the cool waters of the river Jordan or eat the fruit of the trees together. Or just the chance to see our loved ones who passed before us and to hold them in our arms again or hear their wonderful voices. To be in a place that does not know pain or death much less sadness. Is it so wrong to long for this? Is it so wrong to believe that someone higher than us loves us? Must we be so arrogant to say this is all there is and there is nothing greater? I have felt him touch my heart It brought me peace when there was no peace only turmoil in my life. For this I will always Love him and proclaim him to all the earth and to never deny him. He is the Wonderful Counselor, the Almighty God, the Prince of Peace. It is so sad those who refuse to know him. Even so to the point of ridiculing and insulting those of us who do. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whom so ever should believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. I'm sorry but I do not see hatred in this message only love . Why reject it.
Why re-state the topic? It's quite clear in the subject title. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 9:01:32 PM | Great discussion. I believe in God because my journey of finding truth led me to that belief. For everyone I know and respect it is very different. Being a believer in Christ I trust the Bible when it says, if you seek to know God with your whole heart, soul and mind that you will find Him. I have come to trust this because He has proven faithful in that in my life and with so many other things. It is so amazing how different we all are, and our journey's to finding God will all be very different. I do believe that when you are truley seek for answers that God will bring people, circumstances, and understanding in your life to guide you to him so that you may to experience a relationship with a living God. Be open to His leading.
I truly respect everyone's journey and faith and I am merely speaking to those who are earnestly are asking and open to various ideas/perspectives. So here is my humble advise, test God's word to see if he will be faithful. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The God that I have put my trust in, loves EVERYONE so much and desires a relationship with everyone. I believe he understands full well every question, every doubt, and every concern that we have...I also believe that He wants to meet you were you are at to share the journey with you.
For those who do not believe, I admire you greatly for your desire for knowledge and undserstanding in the many perspectives concerning faith. May your journey be a wonderful adventure that leads you to the truth that you are seeking. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 9:26:22 PM | May your journey be a wonderful adventure that leads you to the truth that you are seeking.
Well said.
What many of different faiths sometimes miss, is that; a sunset, a mountain, the beautiful majesty of a starry sky on a clear night, the birth of your child, .....all these things are just as wonderous and beautiful to a person who understands and/or acknowledges atmospheric diffraction of light, plate tectonics, the vastness of the universe and our own relative insignificance in it, ...and yes, biology/evolution.
Awe and wonder aren't the reserved realm of the believer of an organized religion or faith. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 10:02:50 PM | "If I or they are wrong then I will simply not exist when I die but if your wrong......... You can take that chance I will not. If it makes me a fool then I will die a happy fool. I hope that you change your mind so that we may meet on the other side and drink of the cool waters of the river Jordan or eat the fruit of the trees together. Or just the chance to see our loved ones who passed before us and to hold them in our arms again or hear their wonderful voices. To be in a place that does not know pain or death much less sadness. Is it so wrong to long for this? Is it so wrong to believe that someone higher than us loves us? Must we be so arrogant to say this is all there is and there is nothing greater? I have felt him touch my heart It brought me peace when there was no peace only turmoil in my life. For this I will always Love him and proclaim him to all the earth and to never deny him. He is the Wonderful Counselor, the Almighty God, the Prince of Peace. It is so sad those who refuse to know him. Even so to the point of ridiculing and insulting those of us who do. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whom so ever should believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. I'm sorry but I do not see hatred in this message only love . Why reject it"
Response: The threat of hell. The threat of burning in an eternal oven because you just can't bring yourself to believe in something that has never been proven. A supposedly all-loving, just and merciful God is going to subject a large part of his very own creation to eternal hellfire because they don't believe in him. That's so hard to believe. Why would a loving God create human beings in the first place if he KNEW that humans were going to "screw up" to begin with? God is all-knowing suppossedly; so, God should have known beforehand that Adam & Eve were going to disobey him in the Garden of Eden, whereby dooming themselves and the rest of humanity to eternal punishment UNLESS every single creature pledges allegiance to him(the Son); even though God doesn't come right out and present himself to anyone (other than in some biblical stories). Sounds totally unfair!
If all of this hell fire stuff is true, then to me, Christianity seems to be a religion that is based on pure fear. That's strange due to the fact that Christianity is supposed to be Jesus' religion, and Jesus was supposed to be Love. It's either, believe in Jesus Christ with all of your heart and soul and believe that he rose and paid for your sins, or burn in hell........That's like somebody holding a gun to your head and saying, "either you pledge allegiance to me and tell me how great I am, or if you don't, I will blow your head off"! I would surmise that most people would tell the guy holding the gun whatever the hell he wanted to hear; but would those words be sincere and really heart felt? So I ask this: How can you genuinely love and worship a God who would not only send a human being to hell for all of eternity - for sins that a human could commit over the course of a short human lifespan - but who CREATED Hell in the first place?
I realize that all of this could be false and that no human being really knows what God is about or who he is or if he exists. But if you take the bible at its word - or at least how it is routinely translated - then you have to challenge alot of these old, ingrained beliefs and doctrines. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/26/2006 11:31:31 PM | Anthony
So in other words, being Agnostic is being "unsure" (in other words). The belief I have, I noticed different people and their personalities towards their faith. Some of them claim to know everything (people with pride), and people who claim to know very little(humble people). I don't believe in God because that is the way I grew up, and I didn't believe in Him because there was a major event that happened in my life that changed my life around. I don't believe in Him because "I KNOW THE FACTS"....cuz I really don't. I believe in Him because I was invited to go to church, and from that day when they said to open the Bible and read such verses. Those verses related to my life............just as I know for a fact that they relate to EVERYONE elses lives....it's something you can't deny. Because there is at LEAST one thing that relates to you. And so those things that related to me, I thought about them, and so the Bible clearly states on how to help resolve those problems in your life; the weird thing is....it works.
One day, I wanted to see if what the Bible said was true. There is a verse in the Bible that states that "there will be men(also women:D) in this world who will hate you for loving me(Jesus)". Now it's not in those exact words.....but it's quite similar. Now........I actually examined this from a Third Persons perspective....... But it's not only that verse......it's everything in the Bible..........I sat back....and saw everything from that perspective. As I mentioned wayyyyy back........it wasn't churches that brainwashed me as what some people would say...........it was EVERYONE else in this world who convinced me(including myself and my behaviour).
If there were a God, I personally feel that he would not have left something as important as salvation, and the paths to get there, in the hands of men who are by nature evil and corrupt.
So why wouldn't he have left something as important as salvation and the paths of how to get there?? And yes, men are by nature evil and corrupt............"so we are just suppose to be satisfied with being evil and corrupt"?? OK now i'm relieved...phew....by the way it's not sarcasm, it's just a point that i'm trying to make. I don't know if you have children......but when you raise ur children..........u raise them until they reach the age when they are old enough to get married and carry their own family. When they decide for that day to move out and get married...............as a parent...you have to only hope that they will listen to all the advice you had given them as they were growing up and FOLLOW the instruction. (mind you, in my opinion, i don't think any child is too old to be given advice to but i'm just going according to the norm) | |
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