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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 5:01:42 PM | Who says it is right to do so?? Is it the norm??
If you really think about it for a second, yes.
We are social creatures, this necessitates that we adhere to certain patterns that favour society.
Had we evolved as solitary predators, the "right thing" to do would be to kill everything that moves.
While the mechanisms by which we evolved, establish a pattern, there is always going to be a degree of drift in the individuals that make up society, we are neither clones, nor do we develope behaviours via identical environmental cues. Also there are psychological pathologies that require that certain segments of society's constituant parts are bound by rules and laws. This is why anarchy is a "non starter".
Being that we also have an innate ability of language (watch what happens to this, when a human is raised in isolation from it), we look for ways to express this, some through axioms and logic, others through less evidentary means, or "belief" in an unseen "parental" authority figure.
The drawback of "faith" based rules and laws is that they are inherently flawed as they aren't inclusive of all society.
I have both in my background, my paternal ancestors were mostly clergy, my late father broke with this tradition and spent his life advocating for the less fortunate of society via a background of the science of human behaviour. There is far more detail of "right" and "wrong" in regards to motivators, expressed in this field of knowledge, than any theological text. Why? ....it stands to reason (that word again), the scientific method has it's bias, yes, but it is a far more objective one than that which has in it's deepest holy of holies.
A bias predicated on exclusion of the whole of society, in favour of it's own constituancy.
Logic can neither prove or disprove the existance of "Gods", in that regard, I let logic point to where such a concept has merit based on probablility, ....sort of a universal collective conscience.
That's the closest I get to a "deity", the difference is, I don't believe we stem from it, I believe it is of everything.
...i don't know about other kids...but i grew up fearing my parents.
My parents didn't use that behaviour mod with me, neither do I with my own child.
what do you mean by no arbtirary source of instructions for better living? read the Bible, if their instructions does not promote better living in any manner...then...then i think you're misunderstanding it overall
There are ~6,525,165,990 human beings on this planet, ~66% of those who are religious, do not subscribe to the bible as a source of instruction. I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "arbitrary".
arbitrary
adj : based on or subject to individual discretion or preference.
It’s not about KNOWING whether something is right or wrong. 100% of people KNOW what is right and wrong. A tiny tiny percentage of that 100% ACT on what they KNOW.
Actually, a small percentage of people "don't" know, it's a psychological pathology known as:
Antisocial Personality Disorder.
There are ten general
symptoms:
not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness
As for the rest of that statement, it makes no sense.
I suggest you Google, "DSM IV", to better understand this.
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 5:48:21 PM |
As long as it is not your intent to harm others you will be benefitting yourself and them in this respect.
To have good intentions of helping others with financial problems, so steal from the rich and give to the poor?? Is there something wrong with that intent?? NO?? Is there something wrong with that Action
To have good intentions of helping someone feel better or get over a major problem they are having. Introduce them to a happy drug.
To have intentions of not hurting someone by lying to them. (Because we know that lies usually come forth in the end).
Intent SEEMS to be good enough in most cases, but it's not always the case.
Doing what is right is right because it benefits society as a whole. Furthermore doing good things for yourself and others tend to come back and benefit you more because it improves trust and communication between yourself and others. If you are always looking out for number one then number one is the only one you will ever be able to count on when you need help. If you are looking out for your friends then your friends will be there for you as well. If you are looking out for society as a whole then help may come from some surprising sources.
What you are saying is from a logical view, and is correct. The Bible says the exact same thing only in different words. It's not understanding that view though. It is being able to act on it. Why do people not act on it??
I disagree with 100% of this statement. There are many people who have problems understanding wrong and right. Many have mental illnesses that prevent this distinction.
I agree with that statement. God knows who they are. My apologies for my ignorance.
Everyone will falter every now and then but I would say the vast majority will behave according to their understanding of wrong and right the vast majority of the time.
I agree with this also because we are all sinners. But what does it take to improve our behaviours?? Most of us can't even point out our own behaviours, never mind improve on them. People are just satisfied the way they are, and feel they don't have any need for improvement. Do those people consider themselves perfect like Jesus in all ways? Perhaps I have been worshipping the wrong person all this time and I need to worship people who do great things for other people, and not some God who we see nothing He has done. The eyes are very much decieved | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 6:11:14 PM |
My parents didn't use that behaviour mod with me, neither do I with my own child.
Perhaps not your parents have used that behaviour mod with you. What about all other authority in this world?? Teachers, Lawyers, Doctors, Police Officers(that's a biggie), even society. You see, everybody is fearful of something which is what changes their character.
IF, and I only say IF, the world was destroyed tomorrow, would you not feel fear??? It is better to be afraid of God than it is to be afraid of the Devil, because to fear the Devil means to submit to him, the one who continues to put things in this world for us to harm ourselves and others physically, mentally, and spiritually. To fear God means to fear consequences and punishment. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 6:42:14 PM | Perhaps not your parents have used that behaviour mod with you. What about all other authority in this world?? Teachers, Lawyers, Doctors, Police Officers(that's a biggie), even society.
Interesting, ...I have never in my life, acted out of fear, or had a problem with, Teachers, Lawyers, Doctors, Police Officers...
Thanks, mom 'n dad.....
Reasoning does have it's advantages.
You see, everybody is fearful of something which is what changes their character.
Actually, this is why bullying is a problem.
IF, and I only say IF, the world was destroyed tomorrow, would you not feel fear???
Um, ....dude, I wouldn't feel anything.
It is better to be afraid of God than it is to be afraid of the Devil, because to fear the Devil means to submit to him, the one who continues to put things in this world for us to harm ourselves and others physically, mentally, and spiritually.
I think it's better to act out of knowlege and basic common sense than it is out of fear. I also think history backs me on this one.
Look at where gang-bangers and mafiosi and the like, derive respect and obedience from, ....fear.
Nice......
To fear God means to fear consequences and punishment.
Yup, and to act on things from a motivation of self-concern, as opposed to the greater good.
You believe in God, I believe in Good........ | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 7:10:45 PM |
To have good intentions of helping others with financial problems, so steal from the rich and give to the poor?? Is there something wrong with that intent?? NO?? Is there something wrong with that Action
Actually, to steal from the rich is to harm the rich. You are still harming so this example does not apply.
To have good intentions of helping someone feel better or get over a major problem they are having. Introduce them to a happy drug.
To have intentions of not hurting someone by lying to them. (Because we know that lies usually come forth in the end).
Intent SEEMS to be good enough in most cases, but it's not always the case.
So do you suggest that we not act out of good intentions? My point was simply that you cannot control consequences and results. You can guess what they might be and act accordingly but there are always variables in the world and not everything goes according to plan. All that you have complete control over are your intentions. I do not mean to imply that you ignore consequences and results, because doing so is very short sighted. Just because you are acting out good intentions does not mean you have to ignore what you would guess would be caused by them.
They say the road to hell is paved in good intentions. I say the road to hell is paved through the inaction of good people and selfish intent. Live by the basic rules of morality and ethics and in most cases both you and society will benefit. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 7:29:13 PM | They say the road to hell is paved in good intentions. I say the road to hell is paved through the inaction of good people and selfish intent. Live by the basic rules of morality and ethics and in most cases both you and society will benefit.
Concise, and sums up much of what I'm trying to point out.
Just because you are acting out good intentions does not mean you have to ignore what you would guess would be caused by them.
"Good intentions"? (In the context of being motivated by a book of "instruction") have been the cause of almost as much suffereing as good,". Unfortunatly, the "instruction", sometimes through misinterpretation, sometimes not; can be the cause of many people's suffering at the actions of the "faithful".
No, I'm not unaware of the "good" things, I'm just pointing out that if you think everything that has come from the motivation of self concern via religious reward and retribution? ........you're blindered.
It's that blindering that concerns me in regards to organized religion.
Sometimes it's just a mob concerned only for itself at the exclusion of the "greater good". | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 8:27:13 PM |
I have never in my life, acted out of fear, or had a problem with, Teachers, Lawyers, Doctors, Police Officers...
The fear you may be thinking of is not the fear I am talking about. There are children(not all) who don't like school, yet they still go. Some of them only go because of fear of punishment from teachers or family.
There are people(not all) in this world who Don't commit crimes because of police officers and other law enforcement officials?
There are people(not all) who go to work every day who don't like their job yet they have been on it for so long they feel they can't leave.
There are people who cannot confront their bosses at work about problems they have in the workplace.
This is also a fear and so all of these fears moulds us into the people we are. For a person to say that they are not afraid of anything in this world is falsly stated. That would be a person with alot of pride.....someone who wants to feel like they are better than everyone else, when really we are all equally the same.
Yup, and to act on things from a motivation of self-concern, as opposed to the greater good.
You believe in God, I believe in Good........
You know, God is good, but good is not God. Nothing replaces God. God always replaces good(So that it is not misunderstand is that God is better than good....He's awesome)
Um, ....dude, I wouldn't feel anything
I sense some sarcasm in that answer:P...but anyways I did word that question incorrectly. What if you KNEW the world was gonna be destroyed tomorrow??
think it's better to act out of knowlege and basic common sense than it is out of fear. I also think history backs me on this one.
Look at where gang-bangers and mafiosi and the like, derive respect and obedience from, ....fear.
Nice......
The Bible teaches to ACT out of love and kindness without hate, jealousy/envy, prejudice, if you call that common sense and knowledge then I believe you are wrong. We are senseless humans with the least bit of knowledge because if we had the least bit of common sense and knowledge, then we would act like the way i have listed SOME(there are many more) of those qualities. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 8:38:00 PM | There are people(not all) in this world who Don't commit crimes because of police officers and other law enforcement officials?
There are people(not all) who go to work every day who don't like their job yet they have been on it for so long they feel they can't leave.
There are people who cannot confront their bosses at work about problems they have in the workplace.
Fear doth make cowards of us all..don't know who made that statement..sounds Shakesperean..
I have seen that workplace fear and have seen how it affects people, so it is a reality, and one with very little remedy. An employer can wear a person down, and the law just makes it possible to do so..Having been a shop steward I can attest to this...
However, I understand that "fear" of God is better understood as awe or reverance, but often the context of a verse really determines which is which..
Fear is a poor reason to believe in the Creator, but it is said that it is the begining of wisdom.. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 9:01:32 PM | I can pretty much identify the people who do not believe in God....which I respect everyone who doesn't believe in God the same as I would respect a person who does believe in God.............as we are all God's children. I will ask these questions which relate to my thread.
What IF there were a God and when the time comes after death you realized that all of the teachings in the Bible were true??? What IF you found out there were a heaven and a hell that existed and you couldn't rewind your life because it was too late?? What IF Hell was worse than you imagined it to be?? What IF heaven turned out greater than what any believer would have imagined it to be?? What IF all this were true..........and you turned around to realize that there was no turning back and that you couldn't tell the ones you loved the most(by that I mean you were the closest to) in your life such as your wife, children, mother, father??? What IF all this and the Bible were true.....and the Bible was the only way of telling us about how to walk with God?????
I have nothing to lose in this lifetime that I know i wouldn't have after death 10 times greater. (but that's me and what I believe). In other words, I have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. I am not doubting my faith, but if you are all right.......then I will be right alongside of you after death. From here on though, I do continue to pursue knowledge in my faith, but even with the most knowledge, I know that I will still be unknowledgable in compared to Him and in His eyes.
Those were a lot of WHAT IF questions I know. WHAT IF questions can be used in any scenario, I know. I'm trying to get at a deeper meaning. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 9:10:08 PM | This is also a fear and so all of these fears moulds us into the people we are. For a person to say that they are not afraid of anything in this world is falsly stated. That would be a person with alot of pride.....someone who wants to feel like they are better than everyone else, when really we are all equally the same.
Again, you are missing the point, if a gun goes off you are acting out of fear when you duck down, if that is, your still alive. This is instinctual = self-preservation.
However, if you use fear as a behaviour modification, there are side effects. What is the most often found root causality aside from endogenic sociopathy in an abuser?
Abuse.
Take the whole concept and apply it collectively. Why do you think it will be any different?
If you can look at the history of the world and still think that fear is a good motivator for the "greater good", than you are either ignoring reality by not seeing it, or your faith has blinded you. The latter is very dangerous to the species.
You know, God is good, but good is not God. Nothing replaces God. God always replaces good
This is just more logical fallacy, if you are asking for "reasons" why somebody doesn't buy into something that you do, and you want to counter an argument from the perspective of "not buying into" that something. Using the "something" to counter the argument is meaningless.
ACT out of love and kindness without hate, jealousy/envy, prejudice, if you call that common sense and knowledge then I believe you are wrong.
Based on what?
We are senseless humans with the least bit of knowledge
We put a man on the moon, created a means of communicating instantaniously around the world, cured diseases, created art of amazing beauty, domesticated life-forms, created broccoli,......do I go on?
because if we had the least bit of common sense and knowledge, then we would act like the way i have listed SOME(there are many more) of those qualities.
You have offered absolutely nothing to back this statement except for: "This is what I believe".
You asked for "reasons" and all you have countered them with is based soley on the premise that others share your belief. This is called "begging the question".
Example:
Interviewer: "Your resume looks impressive but I need another reference."
Bill: "Jill can give me a good reference."
Interviewer: "Good. But how do I know that Jill is trustworthy?"
Bill: "Certainly. I can vouch for her."
What if you KNEW the world was gonna be destroyed tomorrow??
........why is it being destroyed?
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 9:18:14 PM | Let's say I decided to believe that oranges ruled the climate. And whenever anyone bothered to point out to me that it was impossible, I replied "I believe it!" Then I was bewildered why someone would NOT believe that oranges ruled the climate. I might speculate in all kinds of ways what is behind their refusal to believe what I believed.
Imagination can create any kind of mythology. We are free to make up fictional explanations for things. But to pretend they are real is to step beyond reason into fancy. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 9:20:26 PM | What IF there were a God and when the time comes after death you realized that all of the teachings in the Bible were true??? What IF you found out there were a heaven and a hell that existed and you couldn't rewind your life because it was too late?? What IF Hell was worse than you imagined it to be?? What IF heaven turned out greater than what any believer would have imagined it to be?? What IF all this were true........
Or,
"If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist."
This argument is known as Pascal's Wager. It has several flaws.
Firstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are many mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often described as the "avoiding the wrong hell" problem. If a person is a follower of one religion, he may end up in another religion's version of hell.
Even if we assume that there's a God, that doesn't imply that there's one unique God. Which should we believe in? If we believe in all of them, how will we decide which commandments to follow?
Secondly, the statement that "If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing" is not true. Suppose you're believing in the wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness. Consider also the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in favor of prayer.
Another flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that the two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of comparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God is close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the argument is only likely to convince those who believe already.
Also, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on evidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or cost-benefit analysis.
Formally speaking, the argument consists of four statements:
1. One does not know whether God exists.
2. Not believing in God is bad for one's eternal soul if God does exist.
3. Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist.
4. Therefore it is in one's interest to believe in God.
There are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view Statement 1 as an assumption, and Statement 2 as a consequence of it. The problem is that there's really no way to arrive at Statement 2 from Statement 1 via simple logical inference. The statements just don't follow on from each other.
The alternative approach is to claim that Statements 1 and 2 are both assumptions. The problem with this is that Statement 2 is then basically an assumption which states the Christian position, and only a Christian will agree with that assumption. The argument thus collapses to "If you are a Christian, it is in your interests to believe in God" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and not the way Pascal intended the argument to be viewed.
Also, if we don't even know that God exists, why should we take Statement 2 over some similar assumption? Isn't it just as likely that God would be angry at people who chose to believe for personal gain? If God is omniscient, he will certainly know who really believes and who believes as a wager. He will spurn the latter... assuming he actually cares at all whether people truly believe in him.
Some have suggested that the person who chooses to believe based on Pascal's Wager, can then somehow make the transition to truly believing. Unfortunately, most atheists don't find it possible to make that leap.
In addition, this hypothetical God may require more than simple belief; almost all Christians believe that the Christian God requires an element of trust and obedience from his followers. That destroys the assertion that if you believe but are wrong, you lose nothing.
Finally, if this God is a fair and just God, surely he will judge people on their actions in life, not on whether they happen to believe in him. A God who sends good and kind people to hell is not one most "non-believers" would be prepared to consider worshipping.
I agree with this also because we are all sinners.
Again, "begging the question".
But what does it take to improve our behaviours??
Personal accountability
Most of us can't even point out our own behaviours, never mind improve on them.
There are many who can, ...don't blame them for this.
People are just satisfied the way they are, and feel they don't have any need for improvement.
If they're in a coma maybe.
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 10:02:45 PM | I personally would find it very hard to worship a God who not only created a hell, but one who actually sent people there. The whole concept of hell is just ludicrous. I personally believe that the whole concept of "Hell" was manufactured and promulgated by men, namely the church leaders around the 3rd and 4th century. The early church - before that time - was almost entirely universalist in their teachings. It wasn't until the time of Constantine and St. Thomas Aquinas and during the mass-conversion of all of those "heathen pagans" that all of a sudden the doctrine of hell took hold. I believe that many of those converted pagans brought alot of their myths and beliefs into the church - Dante's Inferno stuff - and Hell became a widespread belief.
If I created another living creature and then I expected not only that creature but every other creature who was spawned by that first creature to worship me and to believe in me in order to obtain eternal life in heaven, I just wouldn't feel right! But to make matters worse, I not only create a god-awful, dastardly place called Hell, but I give my creatures the free will to choose to go to that awful place by not pledging their allegiance to me and by not believing in me. Sounds pretty fickle to me. I create the place, then I give you ability to put yourself there. Why would a loving, just God EVER, EVER create a place like this so-called "Hell"? I have yet to hear a legitimate, reasonable response from any theist. Normally the replies are like: "Well, God doesn't put you there, you put yourself there"! Well, that's true to a point, but there's never a reason as to why this loving God would have created the place in the first place; and why he would give humans the ability to reject him and put themselves there. The words "Hell" and "Loving" don't seem to fit too nicely. Or you get the responses like this: "Well, God is loving but he is also JUST"! Just you say? Just? So I am to believe that anything a human being could go during the course of a short human lifespan(80 years on average) would justify being sent to a place of such cruel and sadistic punishment for ETERNITY! Are you kidding me? If your child disobeys you or does something bad like curse you or talk back to you, what do you do, go douse them with gasoline and set them on fire? If you did that - not for eternity even, but even for a few seconds - you would be sent to jail for a long, long time and most people would say you were a sick, evil a**hole! But when God not only creates a place of such wicked torments but actually gives you the ability to put yourself there, it's considered JUST! | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/28/2006 10:13:55 PM |
The whole concept of hell is just ludicrous
I share your exact feelings about this. Furthmore I don't believe the devil exist, and if I can't believe he exist then how can I believe God exist? You can't have one without the other.
I also believe that most people are inherrently good, but may do bad things. This isn't the devil's doing. I laugh when someone says "The devil made me do it!".
if I met the devil on the street, wouldn't believe it was him. It just some nutcase justifying his existance. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/29/2006 12:04:09 AM | Does God creates religion or do people create religion/god?
Religions exist since the beginning of time. Religions has been modified to accommodate the changing times. Religions will continue to be interpreted to mean what people want them to be. Religions has never been the same at any one time, and will never be the same with time. People will continue to dictate what are religions. So who creates religions/gods? God or people? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/29/2006 12:23:47 AM | People create religions. That is clear even from the thiest perspective.
From the thiest perspective.
-God Exists and creates life.
-God demands faith.
-People who have faith congregate.
-Those congregations form religions.
Ergo people create religions, not God, however the religions are theoretically based upon the ideals of the God they worship and as such can be OF God just not directly created BY God.
From the strong athiest perspective.
-People cannot explain the world around them.
-People come up with explanations for these things.
-Some people claim to have divined specifics based upon these explanations.
-People believe in the divined specifics and develop faith.
-People who have faith congregate, usually around the people who claimed to have divined the details.
-Those congregations form religions.
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/29/2006 1:07:19 AM | Some people have claimed a connection to God.
These people have been called Prophets
Others have doubted this connection
Some have claimed that unless the prophecy becomes true
These prophets are false
Now consider the parable of the fig tree :-
Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near. So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 1:34:16 AM | Why can't everyone go to heaven?
Why must only a select few go to heaven, and the rest go to hell? Why must anyone go to hell? If hell is worst than any kind of suffering that anyone can experience, why must anyone have to go there when heaven can accommodate us all? What is the point of torturing anyone? Does anyone really deserve to be tortured beyond the worst imaginable pain in hell? Can anyone really dip their hands in blood and still be able to sleep at night? Have we got it all wrong to think that God would ever send anyone of us to hell when he can give us all a heaven a piece? What is the purpose of living only on this planet instead of any other planet in this particular universe? What is the purpose of murdering, raping, incest, insanity, cannibalism, deceit, cruelty, torture, etc. in life? Is life really just a game in the end, and we all will be in heaven anyway? | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 2:59:48 AM | Must there be a heaven for my sweetest darling angel?
Does anyone dream of true love? Does true love really exist? Could one really love another so much as to give up everything to be with that person? Could anyone really love another so much as to be willing to die for that person? If a person's true love were eternally barred from heaven, would that person stay eternally in heaven and be away from his/her true love, or would s/he be with his/her true love and away from heaven? Would anyone believe in a god who would eternally separate your true love from you? Would an omnipotent god really do such a thing and be able to sleep at night? | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 10:00:35 AM |
Why can't everyone go to heaven?
Why must only a select few go to heaven, and the rest go to hell? Why must anyone go to hell? If hell is worst than any kind of suffering that anyone can experience, why must anyone have to go there when heaven can accommodate us all? What is the point of torturing anyone? Does anyone really deserve to be tortured beyond the worst imaginable pain in hell? Can anyone really dip their hands in blood and still be able to sleep at night? Have we got it all wrong to think that God would ever send anyone of us to hell when he can give us all a heaven a piece? What is the purpose of living only on this planet instead of any other planet in this particular universe? What is the purpose of murdering, raping, incest, insanity, cannibalism, deceit, cruelty, torture, etc. in life? Is life really just a game in the end, and we all will be in heaven anyway?
The Bible answers all of those questions. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/29/2006 10:32:16 AM | The Bible answers all of those questions.
Not in a way that provides direct answers to the myriad "reasons" stated here, in regards to the OP.
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Posted: 1/29/2006 7:21:19 PM | Why do I not believe in gods?
1. It lacks parsimony (Occams Razor).
2. It doesn't really jive with the events we see in the world (IE. Problem of Evil)
3. The existence of logic and morality in it's current form doesn't jive with what we would expect if a deity existed (TANG).
As for the Christian God: The morals put fourth are most of the time correct, but not always. Their stance on homosexuality is a good example.
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/29/2006 11:52:53 PM | | "Man" has no more explanation or answers in this world than what the "God" does. So who should we believe?? Man or God?? Why "Man"?? If you ask me why God, then I will tell you that I believe in what He teaches and I have faith in Him and what He teaches. Don't put words in my mouth, because I am not saying that I don't trust man. I trust man, but I don't put my faith in man. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/30/2006 12:03:05 AM | "Man" has no more explanation or answers in this world than what the "God" does.
Physics
Chemistry
Mathematics
Music Theory
Genetics
Engineering
Architecture
Psychology
Behavioural Science
Modern History
......just a sample of things that explain and answer things "in this world", not even present in religious literature that you subscribe to.
So who should we believe??
About what exactly?
Years ago, I was at a friends place, he had just rented out a room to a young kid. The kid was in the kitchen, making Kraft Dinner macaroni and cheese, he had the pot on the stove, and the pasta in the pot, the element on "high", and no water........ it was just starting to burn, when I walked in. I looked at the stove, then the kid, ........he said, "what, ......do I have it on too high?"
Would he have avoided this by reading the bible?
Or,
The side of the box the macaroni came in.........
Who should we believe? | |
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