| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/1/2006 11:28:03 PM | Woa... a lot has happened since I was on last.
First off, I would take the bet on being able to survive without initial clothing. Then again, I was in a position to test the theory. I did eat bugs, I did create my own shelter from the environment, ect. Would I choose to continue living that way? Negative... I rather enjoy my computer.
The arguments keep coming that the Bible is "proof" of God, and/or "proof" that Jesus was real. This just brings the pirate out of me... ARG! The Bible does none of these things... any more than Bram Stroker's book proves that Vampires are real. Or that any of the artwork carved by the Greeks and Romans proves that their Gods were real. It's just a damn book... get it through your heads. It's not fireproof, it doesn't glow with righteous light, and it's been re-written and translated more times than any other book in history... and we ALL know how infallible man is with a story.
If you want to argue why it makes sense to you that your diety exists... GREAT! But quit either fooling yourself, or letting others fool you, into believing that there is proof. There is none. Period. People argue that science is the "opposite" of religeon because it deals in facts. Well try to understand this: Science once "proved" that the Earth was flat, and people were either ridiculed or stoned to death for even mentioning that we could travel to the moon. What's the point? Religeon and Science are the exact same thing. Call it semantics, call them a backwards approach from each other... but each is out to prove the exact same things. Religeon once attributed fire and electricity to the Will of God... and Science nipped it in the butt by showing Man that HE could create them also. What science calls the "big bang theory", Christianity calls the Will of God or some such. Hell, the Bible says that monkeys came BEFORE Man... so does the Theory of Evolution.
Science can only "prove" anything based on current knowledge... which means with each new "fact" and each new theory there ALSO comes the question of "What will we 'know' tomorrow". The only difference between the Scientific mentality and Religeous one is this: Science isn't afraid to ask the questions. Science isn't afraid to set out to answer them. Is there a God? Who the hell knows... nobody on THIS planet. And if this God didn't want us asking, he wouldn't have given us the mind to be able to question. If he wanted us to have the answers, he'd give them to us.
Ah hell, I almost forgot...
Why do people turn to God before they die? I'll tell you why... because they're dying. I've been on the battlefield and heard brave men cry for mommy when they're dying, too. I've heard brave men call out for and reach for things no-one else could see. When you're standing on the threshold of Death, the only thing you can think about is comfort. And with how often God is shoved down people's throats, it's no wonder that in a time of such dire stress as Death the mere CHANCE that there may be a God to pray to floods the mind. This doesn't prove God exists... it only proves that when Death is certain, people are willing to try to cling on to any hope they can think of.
Now I'm freakin' tired. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/2/2006 8:36:04 AM |
Could it be because all of us human beings are scared of death and we really don't know what is going to happen to us after we die???
BINGO!  We have a winner.
"Now, tell the man about his prize, Johnny"
The Unknown, it scares the piss out of us, and we will come up with all sorts of ideas to lessen that fear. Such as a loving Father who will, Forever, protect us from it. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/6/2006 9:43:55 AM | | I totally agree RogerD for those of us who believe in God we need not explain or define him but live and let God do his own touching of hearts. Afterall is it not the way in which we choose to live that people see God's love, understanding and forgivness. A person who is not searching has nothing to find and when he does search he will discover with in himself what no man can explain. So I think it only right to live and let live. I will keep my prayers as always but it is not my job to convince anyone of anything nor to judge another. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 8:35:20 PM |
The Unknown, it scares the piss out of us, and we will come up with all sorts of ideas to lessen that fear. Such as a loving Father who will, Forever, protect us from it.
So why wouldn't you want to lessen your fear??? Is that a bad thing??? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 8:58:28 PM |
DO you have a cite for this?
A statistic?
Anything?
Or is this another baseless statement?
Sometimes the way they portray different characters personalities in the movies relate to the human behaviour of people in this world if you ever noticed. Directors/Producers don't come up with the human behaviour on their own, because there is no original thought. Therefore I use common sense and not statistics to say that statement. I would like to ask a question to ALL. What would you do if you were in a position where you knew you were going to die soon(let's say 20 minutes) and you had no control over whether you could survive or not??? There are no family members around to speak to......I know it's an ODD scenario, but it's not the scenario that i'm focused on. I'm wondering what would you do??? To put you in a similar scenario, what if you were in a plane that you know is going to crash??? And besides the obvious answer of screaming:P, what else??
Some are critical thinkers, some aren't - hence the dichotomy inherent in the question you asked, BTW, it's not a "theory", it's a question of faith for some, credibility for others....
Those from the perspective of faith, find the other lacking in faith.....
Those from the perspective of skepicism, find the other lacking in skepticism.......
They are both right, from their perspective frame of reference.
You are right. A person who believes in God doesn't claim that he is right because that is a sign of ignorance and pride. He claims that the BIBLE is right.
Absolute? No
Who we are
"Theory", has many meanings
Nothing is absolute i suppose, if that's what you are trying to say. Although, death is, or is it?????? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 9:14:43 PM | I like this question, what would I do if I only had 20 minutes and no family around? Well that would depend on where exactly I was lol I would make peace with my life and if I knew I would find someone on the street, I would try to touch them, so I had knowledge that I gave someone something before I left.
I think having faith is a great thing, we all need to believe in something and for some people their faith is everything and the will defend it viciously. So for me it is not that I dont believe in God or have faith in something beyond this life, I just do not agree with modern religion. I believe that religion was used to control the masses back in the day and to some extent today. Too many religious people and leaders have disappointed me, for me to have faith in the church. Any peace I have to make with God can be done from the comfort of my own home, within my own mind. God for me is not found in the bible or in the church but in your actions and reactions to those around you. Compassion and Empathy have become fleeting thoughts throughout the world. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 9:25:23 PM | This thread was made for me
The bible as i have said and its fact was writtin by a man no different then me or any other man here today.
there has never been any other real real proof that god exist.
as far as i,m concerned bible was created to help control the actions of people.
and bible in many cases to prove my point has been used more or less as a law book in or past.
sad part i find like many other brainwashing things that have gone on in the world religion is just another form of this..
with what we know in todays world it amazes me we have people that still believe.
i think think its a backward way to live.
not saying that many things in the bible arent good rules to live by.
but thats just what they are and medieval minda ate it up.
you could have wrote in the bible god says dont oranges(if this they where bad for you and making people sick) and people wouldnt eat oranges.
and like many times i said.
i could go back in time and with some hard work and my own writtin bible in those times and today i would have followers of my religion showing the same passion as others defending what they think is real to people like myself
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 9:32:35 PM | I certainly understand why you feel that way, for I question the bible a lot and it makes no sense to me. I don't believe in the Hebrew God.
However, with that said, I find it difficult not to believe in a creator, because life is just too complex to have evolved from nothing. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 9:36:15 PM | i do understand that and believe there has to be something out there.
but god as it was writtin in the bible is not real that was a created being in a book...
that came from the mind of a common man.
Pink panther was created from the mind of a common man who wrote about him.
godzilla was writtin up from a common mans mind as well.. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 9:39:31 PM | I think that the God is real, but the arrogance of the Jews make it sound like he is just for them. I think thats a pile of hooey. God is for everyone, and he wouldn't have all the retarded rules that are in the bible, all the violence, and the contradictions. So for some part, I agree with what you are saying.
The bible was established to keep law and order. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/9/2006 9:56:13 PM | | Good posts...I seriously doubt the validity and the origins of the bible myself....I am definately open to the possibility that there might be a God; I haven't closed my eyes to that possibility. But I am equally aware that God - if there is one - might be totally unknown to us humans. God might have nothing to do with the bible or with anything that is contained in the bible. I seriously question those believers who put so much faith - in fact their whole faith - in the bible..... | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/11/2006 12:03:33 PM | | I don't spend much time tring to work out if there is a god or not U'm a buddist as I find it a religion that suits me I rather dout that if there is a god he would have a book like the bible though its a persons interpretation of it. Just concentrate on whats within yourself never mind what the world says there has NEVER been a drop of blood spilt in the name of my religion how many regilions are seeped in the blood of unbelivers. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 2/11/2006 12:10:38 PM | | You make such an interesting point that you don`t have to look for buddah, he`s alreadt there.At least that`s how I read it. I have only studied the bible , not religions, not even Christian religions, but wasn`t there a some kind of warfare in Tibet about religion. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 10/5/2006 12:51:06 PM | The same that I wrote in another thread just one minute ago. Cause I think religion is made up by men to take away the attention from women that they are the one that give birth and derfor life on earth. I think it´s a way to give the men more power. And a good prove to show my point is the fact of virgin birth and the fact that women are hardly ever mentioned in any "holy" books.
Maybe I should write a "HOLY" book and deny the existance of men and all main characters to be women and that women get pregnant by looking at the sun?? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 10/5/2006 1:08:32 PM |
You make such an interesting point that you don`t have to look for buddah, he`s alreadt there.At least that`s how I read it. I have only studied the bible , not religions, not even Christian religions, but wasn`t there a some kind of warfare in Tibet about religion.
Still is - you don't hear about it because the Dalai Lama is a kind of fascist despot (without the reputation) but he and his organization have been systematically oppressing and persecuting members of a Tibetan Buddhist group (which he was once a member of) - Dorje Shugden - for over a decade now.
There have been numerous human rights abuses, beatings, suppression of worship and at least one murder of a monk. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 10/5/2006 7:59:23 PM | | When you ask the question what reason do you have not to believe in God it is the same as asking what reason do you have to believe in him/her/it. It all comes down to what you were taught, which is why we have so many religions. Religion is basically an idealistic way of how mankind at the time that thought of their particular religion wanted mankind to act. A simple yet complex way to avoid anarchy. If you were born in a forest and raised by monkeys you wouldn't have a clue about religion. The beauty of the whole thing if you could picture yourself as a leader of a tribe, country, region, and you wanted your people to act a certain way, what is the biggest fear or detterant that you can threaten them with...the unknown. And the greatest unknown for mankind is death because no one has ever lived to tell about it. Why do you think we have wars over religions not because of the God they believe in it's because everyone wants you to act like them and adhere to their rules. Anyone could have a child and teach them a fictional religion that they want them to live by and they in turn, may live their entire lives believing in something that to you is fictional but to them is truth. I was brought up not to believe in God, and I don't begrudge anyone that does. You just need to believe in whatever you can to help make your life a little easier, and for a lot of people they need that hope of something better. I just know this is my life, I'm stuck with it so I just have to do the best I can to get through it, and I love the freedom of making my own choices, just wish I didn't have to abide by some of the government laws. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 7/20/2009 11:17:37 PM | If you want to learn it, don't do it yourself as it's not wise for misinterpretation. There are pastors in your church who may have learning facility for those interested.
What harm? If reading passages which you do not fully comprehend or understand, which alters it and becomes falsified interpretation.
We are already living in the present time where we are caring, you see it in the hospitals when the doctors and nurses are there to help, you see it when a man offers his chair to an older person, a pregnant woman, people do co-operate even when they are at work........ you see the kindness when you take the time to see these kindly gestures, but in all of this, there is also things that are displeasing which is a reality of life and they are wars, poverty, abusive behaviour, crimes.
Man comes under the law of the land, and there is your freedom and free-will.
Be prepared if you choose to deeply study and involve yourself without help from your ministry (I would not advice obssessing), but I personally would not even advice to study it alone or to medidate as in the form of spirituality. Yes, it could be harmful because it borders in the irrationality instead of logic which human beings cannot be without as it is afor your own protection. If you are prepared , then also be prepared for an affliction as you will let go of your ego which is a nature of being human and of the material world. You may be able to endure the affliction or you may not, and if you cannot you must seek help immediately, or you may lose your life at your own hands.
I personally do not like organized religions, but I do not deny there is a God. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 9/6/2009 1:13:56 AM | Religion is illogical and irrelevant to me. But, the psychology behind the invention of relgion does make sense, for the drones of masses. Quite easy to figure out, if you are intelligent that is :)
Anyway, i have no need to create such a "dream", this beautiful, wonderfully unfathomable planet and the universe hasn't failed to grasp my attention and i don't have the attention span of a fish.. so i am quite content living my life, with what we have. Religion is the denial of science to keep it's belief.. but science is adaptive. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 9/21/2009 3:25:22 AM |
WHAT HARM CAN POSSIBLY COME FROM BEING GUIDED BY INSTRUCTION OF THE BIBLE?
Ask Native Americans or look up "manifest destiny", read about the nine holy crusades, Catholic inquisitions, and ask a Muslim about this history between Jews & Muslims about the bloody history over the land we now call Israel . | |
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