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dud
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Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 26 | |
| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 5:14:56 AM | well i dont believe in god, but...
when you're at a funeral, people say "the lord works in mysterious ways" or "its all part of his plan". seems like god is supposed to be responsible.
and besides, it sounds just plain retarded to say "everything good is from god, everything bad is from satan" thats just assuming. nobody knows which one of them does each thing. unless you see them doing it. or just believe whatever sounds nice | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 6:38:10 AM | @rdtoo
I remember a chorus as a teenager
This world is not my home, I'm just passing through
If heavens not my home then Lord what would I do?
The angels beckon me from heaven's golden shore
And I can't feel at home in this world any more
That's going by memory so I doubt it's word perfect and I've no idea of the song's origin. | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 10:57:53 AM |
And sky, generally speaking that's what humans are, guinipigs. Why else would God make man? Either obviously he wants some entertainment OR he's conducting some sort of experiment. Infact no matter how you look at it, if God is omnisent and omnipitant then he has no need to make man except for his own personal gain. And the only gain he could get from making man is entertainment. Think about it:
why do we create our own offsprings? | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 11:53:27 AM | | ^^^...because it's a natural thing to want, we may not need them but it's in our genes to create. I wouldn't kill them or deny them love no matter what they did. We only want them to be better people than we are... naturally make progression. I was so proud when my daughter gained her degree because I never did, well I'm on my way to it now but she is more advanced, educationally, than I. My son is also years ahead of me than I was at his age. I can look back and feel satisfied with that. Why would God think any less of his children? | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 12:17:16 PM | | Why would god, a perfect being, need to have children when he will neither grow old nor die nor will anything ever surpass him? | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 12:19:36 PM | You are absolutley right Davie. We are given a free will to choose between right and wrong. Yes God "allows" pain in our lives to help us grow stronger and for many reasons. He teaches us patience, love, forgiveness, acceptance, tolerance, kindness and a host of other beautiful fruits of the spirit.
How we choose to handle the turmoil and sadness in our lives is completley up to us. I for one am thankful to God on my side. Without His love and protection I don't know where I would be right now.
Some things are brought on by our own selfishness and others by the enemy and his little helpers to try and sway us against God. Yes God does allow these things to happen but they are always to work out for good.
We are made in His image. He has a plan for each of us.
How many of us really do count our blessings or do we take even the little things for granted? | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 2:20:22 PM |
^^^...because it's a natural thing to want, we may not need them but it's in our genes to create. I wouldn't kill them or deny them love no matter what they did. We only want them to be better people than we are... naturally make progression. I was so proud when my daughter gained her degree because I never did, well I'm on my way to it now but she is more advanced, educationally, than I. My son is also years ahead of me than I was at his age. I can look back and feel satisfied with that. Why would God think any less of his children?
don't you think God want us to be *better people ...naturally make progress*. what makes you feel that God think any less of his children? | |
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dud
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Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 33 | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 2:42:35 PM | Why do we always have to blame our lot in life on someone else or worse, on God?
As a child we blamed things on mysterious beings only we could see
As a teenager caught with something we blamed it on our friends
As adults we blame our spouse for our unhappiness, or God....
1) We do not take responsibility and it appears that God is not the least bit intimidated by our silly excuses blamed on Him.
If you live in an earthquake zone, below a damn, lower than water level.... how can a dissaster to your home or loved one be blamed on God?????
2) We take the wrong path in life and blame God - duh... perhaps we haven't been paying attention to that little guardian angel who attempts to help direct us?
3) Our loved ones die and we blame God for our misery. Rejoice in the fact that your loved one is in a better place. What's the problem there? That's life. | |
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dud
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Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 35 | |
| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 2:46:23 PM | i agree with everything that you just said ash.
but...
4) Why do we give god credit for the good things? How would anyone know which things are done by god and which arent? | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/28/2006 3:18:53 PM | Good Question!
How to know God vs what.... our own good luck or judgement. Well, I guess you know that a medical doctor healed you if there wasn't a form of miracle involved.
I don't think too many docs take credit when a true miracle happens, so they should be forthright on it.
When I changed lanes without reason and just in time to avoid an oncomming car, in the wrong lane, without lights, on a pitch dark night... I take that to be God given guardian angel saving my bootie stuff. Those unrecognized or subconcious taps on the shoulder. Those are from God. I don't think my instincts are that powerful.
People easily say, "Thank God". He probably grins knowing we actually use our own noggins once in a while. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 7:55:36 AM | pnayplayr
what makes you feel that God think any less of his children?"
I suppose it depends on your perception of GOD. Mine is a personal view, taken from many of the OT accounts of God's supposed wrath on his children. How many times does God utterly destroy those who didn't listen to him? Like I said, I wouldn't want to kill my children because they thought differently to me, so why would God? If that's justice it's absurd.
The whole concept of the bible God is pathetic. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 9:41:18 AM | Tony, let me ask you something...
First you said...
The whole concept of the bible God is pathetic.
Here is an example of something... Pretend your brother was a killer, but he was a great guy too when he wanted to be. And books were writen about him... Then 10 years later, you read a book that was written about him and it talked about only ONE characteristic of who he was, and you think, wow, that person doesn't see the WHOLE person. He has many traits, not just one like they are portraying.
Take that example and use it towards God. God has MANY traits, not just one. People see what they WANT, but its the whole picture that matters.
Hope you're having a good day Tone  | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/29/2006 10:52:40 AM | I agree with ASB, people do see the bible how they want to. God could have made us believe a certain way , but instead, he gave us free will so we can decide on our own, and make our own choices.
I think the bible is carefully worded as it is to compliment our "free will" . God leaves it up to us to decide which part of the bible infleunces our opinion of it and God. If we search the bible for just the parts that WE may think is negative , then that is what we will find, or atleast notice.. If on the other hand WE search in the bible for what we think is positive , then that is all that we will find and take note of. We still know the the things in the old testament are there , but they are overshadowed by all of the positvie things that are in the bible. Example : take Jehovah witnesses , their bible is over 99% idententical to the Christian bible. They believe the message is so positive ,that they go door to door to tell complete strangers about it. Christians for another example, all of the ones that I know, get a positive and inspirational feeling when they read it, it has nothing to do with fear.
The bible just comliments our free will, which ever way we choose to interpret the bible and GOD. The method we use to form our opinion of the bible is also similar to how we see others.
Example: You see a person walking down the street that you don't know , you scan them real quick with your eyes and in matter of seconds you decide that they are a physically repulsive person, so you form a negative opinion about them, but it just so happens that this person that one just prejudged a negative opinion about is on their way home to a spouse who is deeply inlove with them , and also this person is going home to a house full of kids who are anxiously awaiting their arrival, and this "repulsive" person is in the thoughts and prayers of many loyal friends and relatives. But logically from the perspective of someon who doesn't know this person, they seem to be physically repulsive. It comes down to how we choose to interpret,and out own perspective which ultimately reflects our free will , which is subjective from person to person. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 11:35:24 AM | | Good point ASB and Micxster. It interesting that we have a bible warts and all. Why did'nt somebody try and produce a NSV bible (New Sanitized Version). I think that people claiming tampering and agendas in the production of translations have not taken this into account.. | |
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| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/29/2006 3:35:09 PM | Certainly we all have gone through good and bad experiences.
All of which build our character(s), the persons we are today.
Hopefully, in a positive manner for ourselves and society
as a whole.
Since the thread title is "Blaming the bad in your life on God"
In my opinion, blaming God is just an easy way out when there
is no one else to blame, cuz many don't want to look into a
'mirror' and face the reason. To question why the bad happened
in the first place.
God is supposed to be the image of - Right, Good, Love. Father
of all things, and the human race (including the spirit of Satan,
aka Lucifer)
Satan is supposed to be the image of - Wrong, Hate, Bad. A child
gone awry. Looking to be right, but is constantly proven wrong.
Satan's goal is to manipulate, poke, tempt... the weak in spirit.
God's goal ( I'm sure ) is to prove him wrong. But let him walk
his walk until he reconciles through experience.
The bible is a book, of truths, history, experiences, etc. no matter
how many times it has been rewritten, the basic fundementals remain
intact. Atleast, thats is the way it looks when cross-referencing between
a few different versions.
In some way... the human race may look like 'tools' made to prove a
greater point. I think we are given the understanding before birth of what feels
good and not, children naturally seem aware but are re-educated by his/her
surroundings. It is then up to us individually, question ourselves and correct
the bad in our own life in the most reasonable, civil manner possible.
So, my overall point here is people can't really blame God or Satan.
We are given the spirit and freedom to choose, and many bad things
are caused by ignorance. The only one to blame is really ourselves. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 5:53:45 PM | Certainly is a good point Amanda. Always good to hear from ya ;)
I have read all of the characteristics of God. The good the bad and the ugly. The whole picture can only be seen in the light of everything. I gave most of my life looking at it too. It is my picture of God, from that perspective, I am referring. I could use an analogy. Let us say you are an artist, a very superb artist and you create a masterpiece... the problem is it is from your perspective that you think it's a masterpiece. When people start to criticise it it makes you feel bad. Because you are hurt you decide to rip it to shreds and start over... familiar? It is crazy to do that because of the time and hard work you put into it, but you are so upset it's just got to be bettered. We as imperfect humans can understand that, but from God? No, I cannot accept that. In the first place God would know if his creation was worthy, acceptable, and would not allow it to be spoilt by ignorance of others. If the earth was God's masterpiece, and He had to know this in advance, he wouldn't allow anything to endanger it, unless it was intended, thus the lab rat scenario.
I do believe in God, just not the one who would kill babies in their mother’s wombs. Not the one who would bless others after doing the same, not the one who takes sisters and brothers away from their families, not the one who demands attention? S..orry!
My day is good, I'm getting through.
Nighty! | |
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izz4us
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Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 43 | |
| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/30/2006 1:14:24 AM | Hi Everyone
Interesting post! Seventeen years ago I had all the same questions and said alot of the things you have said here about God and Satan. I have learned that our confusion, ignorance and misunderstanding of theses to powers came from all the different religions and churches especially the Catholic Church. There teachings and interpetations sure have made a mess of our lives and our world.
But the good news is what Scott Peck says in his books, "The Road Less Travelled" and "The Road Further Along". "We are children of the lie".
I blamed the bad in my life on "God" because that is what I learned to do. All of my young life I always felt there was something wrong with this picture even as a child but could never figure out or put my finger on what it was. We have done horrendous things in this world all in the name of "God"
When I was thirty-two this belief system of ours brought me to a place of utter emptiness and unworkability and so the search for the truth and understanding began. I have since learned that there are two powers in the world and we need to know how the two powers work.
God is not out there somewhere he gets to be in this world through us through our minds as does Satan.
We are Gods instruments and we were given free will means that he will not force his way into our lives. Free Will means we were allowed to make our own choices and you know how we are when someone takes away our choices.
In order for there to be life there has to be to sides to everything. Good,bad, right,wrong, light and darkness,up,down, saddness, joy, laughing, crying. How else would we know one from the other. This means that there are two powers in this world and the best thing we can do for ourselves is learn how these powers work.
We say,"What kind of God lets people starve"? "What kind of God lets people suffer"? But the real question is what kind of people lets people starve? What kind of people lets people suffer?
I could go on and on here but one thing is for sure we have been to long asking the wrong questions because of this misunderstanding of what free will is and believing that we need to Believe in God rather than KNOW God.
In order to know God we have to give up our old ways of thinking and give another way of thinking the benifit of the doubt. Why not since the way your thinking right now is not getting you out of the blame game that changes nothing.
We each need to know a God of our own understanding. We do this by dropping the word BLAME from our vocabulary and thinking. Then by asking to be shown? Everything you need will be put in front of you. It is as simple as being willing to talk to God to get to know him as we are doing with each other on this computer.
Make him your invisable friend and you will see that he is a good planner, and the plan is perfect. He is not judgemental, he does not punish, he does not inflict pain, kill or destroy. We got the wrong guy people! Be happy that you did. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 12:16:43 PM | izz4you
I am not going to quote you, you have your belief and that is good. We all have that right. I never asked anyone, even those I love, to change their point of view. I will say that I cannot see from your post what made you look at the biblical God in a different light. If there is one thing I know, that is to have RESPECT for life. I do not see that in most of the OT and parts of the NT. What I do see is ‘God's’ obnoxiously violent retribution. I will not go into the detail, every Bible reader knows what I am talking about on that score. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 2:07:39 PM | We blame the bad in our life because traditional theology tells us that God is both omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent. That is, God supposedly gives a ****, and has the power to change things. The standard reassurances that he supposedly has some good reason for following X, Y or Z are generally not very helpful when you are in the midst of the crap.
It's a pretty reasonable response, all things considered. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 5:40:47 PM | Molonel, I agree God has the power to change things and many times man does too. Generally man could have avoided things as well. However, it may not be your fate or value that is concerned, but that of another.
I think we are here to learn lessons and that via reincarnation have designed a path for ourselves. Naturally that path twists here and there, not perfectly straight. We may be destined to meet on POF but tomorrow you die and I go on to chat with someone else... but I will have learned something I needed to from you in your lifetime. uh, thanks.
So, who's to blame for your early demise? And is that such a bad thing after all, if you've put some wonderful new aspect into my life? | |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 5:58:18 PM | Molonel, I agree God has the power to change things and many times man does too. Generally man could have avoided things as well. However, it may not be your fate or value that is concerned, but that of another. - ashley1861
The problem of evil is not so lightly dismissed, however. At some point, the "Greater Good" becomes an infinite regressive loop, and one is tempted to ask God, "Do you ever have to take responsibility for anything, or anyone?" If I allowed a child to be run over by a car, I could be charged with criminal neglect. God does it all the time. God has become the ultimate silent excuse. At some point, you have to question whether one of the qualities traditionally ascribed to him/her/it is perhaps a bit overstated.
I think we are here to learn lessons and that via reincarnation have designed a path for ourselves. Naturally that path twists here and there, not perfectly straight. We may be destined to meet on POF but tomorrow you die and I go on to chat with someone else... but I will have learned something I needed to from you in your lifetime. uh, thanks. - ashley1861
The problem of evil doesn't really exist in Eastern philosophy, as such. Kharma takes care of that, as well as the fact that omnibenevolence is a key component not necessarily ascribed to higher powers in the Eastern pantheon, where indifference and attachment to the material realm is considered a vice, and a hindrance to spiritual growth.
Eastern religion doesn't really answer the problem of evil so much as sidestepping it altogether.
So, who's to blame for your early demise? And is that such a bad thing after all, if you've put some wonderful new aspect into my life? - ashley1861
So the fact that I perked up your day is supposed to make my becoming a quadriplegic, or dying in a fiery car wreck more meaningful?
Um, yeah. I know that is perhaps not entirely what you meant, but it's awfully hard NOT to read it that way. | |
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izz4us
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Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 49 | |
| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/31/2006 12:12:37 AM | skypoet
This is what made me look at the biblical God in a different light........................
When I was thirty-two this belief system of ours brought me to a place of utter emptiness and unworkability and so the search for the truth and understanding began. I have since learned that there are two powers in the world and we need to know how the two powers work.
As long as I was believing all the bs you have stated here about God for that long my life was a struggle and there was no peace. From the way your talking here you have no respect for God for whatever reasons and that adds up to no respect for life.
Where did you get the idea that God kills babies in wombs? What you see is Gods obnoxiously
violent retribution. I can only guess that you have had some very painful heartbreaking experiences which will and does cause any of us all of us to misinterpert any writings about God life and love.
You say you have never asked anyone to change there point of view which is fine but all of us will come to the place in our lives where we will ask ourselves if we need to change our point of view. It is an individual decision many live out their lives with this distorted perspective on God and will never know peace. Peace and numbness are not the same thing.
I am not asking you to change your beliefs I am only sharing with you what I have learned since the day I realized that there has to be a better way to live. That it can't all be a struggle, fear, losing, hurt and pain, sadness and sorrow.
Belief is a choice and what you believe IS even if it is not just because you believe it. Our beliefs come from what we were taught as children but as we grow up somewhere along the line we realize not everything we were taught or believe is RIGHT usually after what we were taught brings us alot or pain. Painful events cause us to develope a powerful need to be RIGHT BUT THE QUESTION IS...............
Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy. There are proably alot of things here that you are right about but so what. Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?
In the Old Testament there was no forgiveness which is how the New Testament came about.
God forgave the world their sins which rendered Satan powerless. The only reason he Satan has any power in the world today is because we are ignorant of that fact and we give Satan power through that ignorance.
The point of the crusifixion was to get us to pay attention to the resurrection but Satan has kept us focused on the crusifixion.
Its time to get down off the cross cause somebody needs the wood! (Dolly Parton Ouote) | |
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izz4us
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Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 50 | |
| Blaming the bad in your life on God.
Posted: 1/31/2006 1:07:58 AM | skypoet
It seems you are interpeting everything in the Bible literally. The Bible is full of parables and medaphors even the men who wrote the Bible missed this point of the crusifixion.
For instance Revelations, the last days, has been interpeted as being about the end of the world but it is not about that at all. The world will always be here but the ways of man will end because of a transformation of our minds from believeing in a fire and brimstone God to knowing who God truly is.
Its time to get down off the cross cause somebody needs the wood! (Dolly Parton Ouote)
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