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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:13:39 PM | Getting lost in all this posting. I think I was trying to say that we are all guilty of something, whether before god, society or ya mom and pop.
Therefore there are No Innnocent Bystanders..
I thought this thread was about Laziness anyway.. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:17:19 PM | | Yeah...I got that and covered it. I was trying to make a point that the OP was trying to make actually ..... why equate guilt with a god. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:21:22 PM | I guess it all depends on which god, right, Hindus make offering to their deities, presumably one of the things they offer for is forgiveness, which then relieves the guilt.
If one beleives that god does not require his creation to uphold to a standard then there would be no guilt in failling to meet that standard. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:31:09 PM | | But where did guilt come from Innocent? Who decreed it? | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:37:38 PM | Hey Don't look at me I did'nt do it....Well from a biblical perspective, now we are back to god again...From the book of Romans, Pauls take on it..
2:14 For whenever gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
2:15 They show that what the law requires is written in their hearts, a fact to which their own consciences testify, and their thoughts will either accuse or excuse them
I.E. its built into the operating system - GOS 1.0 | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:39:46 PM | Nothing like Paul to uphold the Gentiles and control them at the same time.
Thanks Innocent. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:40:45 PM |
Do you or have you been motivated in your actions/thoughts out of a sense of guilt that you have not measured up to what God wants/religious leaders require? Not sure what u r asking. Twofold question or four: thoughts and action and God and religious leaders. I see a difference in all 4 | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:46:10 PM |
Nothing like Paul to uphold the Gentiles and control them at the same time.
Thanks Innocent.
Now whats your take on the "Guilt triP" ?? Quid Pro Quo, Agent Kytasau
Hannibal... | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:47:31 PM |
Message: But where did guilt come from Innocent? Who decreed it? Guilt is something you learned. You acquired your sense of guilt growing up. You can blame it on God or your parents or society or whatever. Some people are more sensitive and prone to feel guilty more.Some are neurotic about it. Some maybe psychotic. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:52:40 PM |
Do you or have you been motivated in your actions/thoughts out of a sense of guilt that you have not measured up to what God wants/religious leaders require?
I could answer yes to all four at some point in my life. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 4:04:11 PM |
Message: Was it more harmful than positive? Sometimes a little of both. I think it depends on what was motivating the guilt...... I have felt guilty when I should have and I have felt guilty when I didn't need to. And, likewise, have not felt guilty when I probably should have.
Guilt is not a bad thing...it is a normal human emotion. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 4:41:29 PM | Twobits? Do you see a difference in shame or guilt? I've always considered shame to be your conscience (inside) twinging...and guilt to be laid on by someone else. Or, vice versa. I'm trying to hang blinds right now and I'm truly all upside down and dropping tools left right and centre.
Ugh! | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 4:59:51 PM | : Twobits? Do you see a difference in shame or guilt? I've always considered shame to be your conscience (inside) twinging...and guilt to be laid on by someone else. Or, vice versa. No, I guess I dont see much of a difference between the two. I think they both come from the conscience. I think someone can attempt to lay a "guilt trip" on someone........and I have seen pastors do it, especially when it comes to money, but I see that from non-religious organizations also....and also especially with money. "Guilt" is a seduction sometimes and I see it in politics and advertising. It works on those open to it. I suspect there are many or it wouldn't be such a common practice. Kids learn to use it when they are young in an effort to get their way. I am around school age kids almost every day and some are very good at it. The OP was clearly "baiting" in his post, so there were holes in it. The "evangelist" would have had to have had some motive for what he said if his goal was to lay a guilt trip. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 9:02:48 AM | Twobits
I think any religion that attempts to lay guilt trips on its congregation are nothing but hypocrites. My God, there must be so many!!!
garry1949
Enjoy your retirement! Work doesn't have to be drudgery. Retirement is a time do the things YOU enjoy most... I would be happy to submerge myself in professional writing for the rest of my life. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 12:22:03 PM | | We may assume 'laziness' to be reluctance to do 'work'. The evangelist in question in the O.P. made no hint that what was to be engaged in should be pleasant. There is an element of ambiguity here without doubt. Many of our greatest inventors would have never been given a chance to use their imaginations if their fathers had been iron fisted Christian fundamentalists IMHO. The Wright brothers would have been scolded and possibly horsewhipped for "fooling around". The same for James Watt, Ford, Marconi or Tesla. However, you may argue that their contributions were to the detriment of society anyway. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 12:51:48 PM | | Well off topic, but can we thank Edison for night shift work? | |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 10:56:15 AM | | Laziness is when you don't bother doing anything because it feels better to lay about. Resting is when you did some work and got tired. There is always something you can do, each day, to help others. That is what spiritual laziness is about. It is when you don't lift a finger to help others. It can be something as simple as a phone call or an email to brighten someone's day. The point is to keep faith by deeds and not take life for granted. When people retreat into their own lives and aren't pitching in to help others, they are turning their backs on God. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 5:43:43 PM | | In the sense of a vice, laziness or sloth are when a person has potential to do some good and chooses to waste that potential by engaging in idle, useless activity. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 7:43:41 PM | On a slightly different note, but still related to the topic of "laziness"....
One thing I have never been amused by is how the inherently privileged who happen to be the architects of structural violence in society point their fingers at people who can barely afford to feed themselves and call them lazy and point to crime and blame it on minorities. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 3:17:58 AM | my definition of laziness...........
someone who wont get off their *rse to do something....... which is generally a job they find demeaning and prefer someone else to do it while they sit by and watch or do something they consider more important (like reading the paper or watching telly)
you can generally tell who are the lazy people by the size of their bellies!
old age is no excuse | |
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