| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 10:39:36 AM | tricky, if you be of the irish, then sir, by whose define? reports by the catholic church in northern ireland have ask for help from the mother church in helping care for "their flock"
that message was sent last week, i heard this pass sunday.
and pls when you go to belfast, their be a graveyard not far from airport, there you for five knew graves stones line together, with name brady on it.take note of the date on them 2006
they were sluaghtered by loyalist, when the went for a family outting, the sin finn held the ira in check , as the brits just stood and do nothing
sir, their be 3 curses on ireland, "the drink, the brits (which by heaven's grace will come to an end) , and the pretenders, which i fear you be one
the door to peace and unity has been open, we irish go to the table in ernest
i pray the brits learn that when you steal from the irish we do not take it! over 700 years of blood shed because the brits did not see that
where you have a cousin in a wheel chair, and may God blessed and keep her, i have five cousin in graves!!
two wrong don't make right, sure what else could we do?
pls sir, go to northern ireland and see for yourself, things are not as you been told | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 11:31:25 AM | | sorry if you think i,m a plastic;you are entitled to your view as am i,the catholic church has its own way of keeping its flock,as any other, thats why they (the flock)are all driving round in brand new volvo,s,live out of the bookies and the boozers over here and n.i. and have the life of reilly.things arent as bad as the church say i frequently go to ireland for work and have done so for the past nine years.what was getting in the way over there was ignorance,by both parties.plus the bullies(drug lords)who have no badge to hide behind now,and are getting off to spain to live off there ill gotten gains.profitting of your own people is sacriligious ,i seriously dont think you get a clear picture over in america,i know we never in the 80,s;90,s;00,s.....we used to get phone calls about friends and family getting involved for years,but it wasnt enough to make the news here in england,it happens all over the world.it will be happening in the middle east right now its all propaganda,the catholic church have been using these means for years,i am a catholic before you ask,just a very sceptical one,i will go back to ireland to live in later life for sure.its better than the rat race over here,all the best irishpoet,i respect your views as they were drummed into me as a small cub..... | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 11:54:55 AM | tricky, call yourself anything but irish, be honest
the catholic church in this country is majority middle class to poor , go and beleave the anti-catholics
good when i go to belfast this, good willing there be peace and unity) itell the minster and preist i know over there sure they get a good lyuagh out of your ingorance
sir , most irish-americans have very close bonds back home, we see thur there eyes, we hear though their ears, we feel though their hearts
peace and unity will come to ireland even in spite of the likes of you | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 12:25:25 PM | Wow. Palestine to Ireland in the blink of an eye. Gotta love the internet. It's good to see people get their "Irish" up, but back to the matter at hand.
It's interesting to note that Yasser Arafat was unacceptable to the Isrealis and Americans when he was alive. As Fateh leader one can only attempt to comprehend how difficult it must have been for him to control the more radical factions of Hezbollah and Hamas. How do you appease the most radical of your people and still come across as a credible international leader and negotiator. As mentioned above, the Palestinian people obviously believe there is a need for more radical methods in which to achieve sovereignty bc I'm sure they believe that Arafat was assasinated. If Isreal or the U.S. are complicit in any assasination conspiracy, the election results are fitting. Better the devil you know, eh?
I don't want to trivialize the situation in the middle east bc far too many people have died in this conflict (at a rate of Palestinians 10 to Isrealis 1 in direct conflict - bet you didn't know that). I hope that now that Hamas has a political venue in which to air their grievances it will moderate their more radical aspects. With a right wing government in Isreal and an ailing seasoned leader (Sharon), it doesnt hold promise.
Funny how two peoples (Arabs and Isrealis) who share very similar DNA and language can hate each other so much because of RELIGION. I've mentioned it on other threads - organized religion in our world today is the whore of babylon.
Hamas and Likud ... a recipe for armageddon. (definitely NOT the outcome I prefer). | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 12:50:42 PM | | right whatever,i can be in belfast in less than an hour from my door,speak to friends,co-workers,family on a daily basis,all you get is chinese whisper by the sounds of things,the only beggars are drunks alkys,big issue sellers.and tinkers..it is not pakistan,etheopia,or some third world country.the flock as you put it does that mean worldwide?or just in the north of ireland?you get welfare in the north.the framework for peace that was written up when john major was p.m. in england around 93/94 is the document,to help establish peace in israel.he you,ll remember that actually acknoledged that it was a war.meaning the prisoners would be freed, on both sides.give your money to cafod,thats were my money goes,you can direct your priests to my parish,st.ann,s where we sent ra collectors packing...there is no war,just drug dealers selling to their own kind,and protection rackets,but we have that everywhere,we call them criminals and gangsters,"there aint no justice just us," written on the derry wall.siochain/salaam/shalom..call me a mastic paddy cos i,m flexible LOL....my passport says different though...........RELIGION IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 1:03:36 PM | I read about this in todays' Globe n Mail. (maybe yesterdays; I'm behind)
THIS party is AGAINST extremism in it's every form AND will not require ladies to don their scarves and masks..BUT..would like it to be. They are only using "sharia" (please pardon the mistake if it is not spelled correctly), as a BASE or background for their society and their ways n means...and laws. This makes alot of sense to me, since someof OUR muslim neighbours and friends here on POF have argued VEHEMNETLY that REAL deep rooted muslim doctrine prescribes the embracing and loving of ANYONE that lovingly embraces you as well.
I gotta tell ya; I believe them. :)
Heck; the man has stated CLEARLY that christians have NOTHING to fear, as they are loved as their citizens; just as the muslim folks are loved. THESE people are now moderates.....so nice...n let them have their chance to better their own lives...ITS THEIRS.
*Shrugs*
Give em a chance.....THIS is legitimacy...and THAT is a perfect way to allow a party to move away from it's "illegitimate" and rougher ways.
I think they sound ok to me; and good for Palestine. (Let's hope Fattah doesn't attack their own people over the thirst for power and screw things up now hu?)
This party can do an awful lot of good for them. (meaning the whole middle East)
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 1:11:44 PM | Granted it has a social network wiht schools, hospitals welfare, etc. but it has scores of Israeli blood (both Jewish and Arab) in its hands.
Israel has more blood on its hands than the Palestinians do. Honestly, you give ample justification for Hamas' election in your own post, who the hell do you expect them to elect?
Israel asking for peace is like a man with his foot on your neck asking you to be friends. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 1:22:49 PM | ^^^ i have to agree. It's unlikely that a population that's been so desensitized &
abused could have come to any other conclusion. There was a documentary on
CBC of the check points along the Israeli borders with palestinians trying to enter
for work and visit relatives. The Israeli soldier's were blatently abusive w/ their authority
and humiliating the Palestinians. One Israeli solder: "they are dog's, let them wait in
the rain." They waited and waited and waited as the Israeli lit a cigarette
in his dry office for no apparent reason. It was systematic. Imagine years of that kind of treatment.....I'd be kicking some ass myself. | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 6:31:50 PM | Yeah, Hamas never did a THING to anybody; poor guys. They're in government now, though, and their exquisite thought processes and analytical minds are almost certainly capable of solving the Israeli crisis, those dirty nazi-like b*stards..........Don't you just HATE Israelis?....oyu know, it just occurred to me that if we could get just ONE more clown to sign on, we'd have a full three ring circus.
I want to be very clear that I don't have anything against Jews as a race, I've counted numerous of them among my closest friends. But the behavior of the country and the members of the Orthodox religion who are shipping money into the country to pay for the efforts to subjugate the region and recover their "homeland", yeah, I have a problem with them. I quit my job once after I found out my employers were defrauding the tax man by sending large amounts of profits to support the efforts against the palestinians and funneling it through their religious structures so they could claim it all as charitable donations... and that it was part of a very large international system. That experience really shook me, and made me think very long and hard about the subject.
Hate is a strong word, but I don't think very highly of their behavior as an organization and I'd lend my support to an effort to put a stop to it. Any individual who isn't aware of this, I have no problem with... but those who participate in it or are aware of it happening and support the organization doing it, I think they're doing evil work.
I'm moderate about what should be done, if a little unsympathetic when they reap what they sow, and would have been happy enough to give rational justifications for my positions if you'd been interested enough to ask rather than spouting off. Others here have also been giving intelligent reasons supporting what they think... you're the one talking like a clown here. | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 6:45:59 PM | So troubling. Maybe we could give the Jews one of the sparsely populated square states out west.
I'm not a religious person, but I think the prophesy is that when there is peace in the middle east the world ends, God returns or something.... | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 9:00:53 PM | will said limy, didn't think you would dare say anything else, you are just a turn coat
so sen. mitchell and clinton had nothing to do with it, right sure....whatever
then all my kin the were killed by the loyalist was right | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/28/2006 11:09:32 PM | I'm curious; if the U.S. refuses to negotiate w/ terrorist's, how are they going
to negotiate with the new leadership in Palestine?
If Hamas is a terrorist organization, that would be ALL discussions and funding
must come to a stop.
I completely doubt that this will happen.
Thanks so much Bush - you did the impossible in the U.S. - not only did you not
stop terrorism in the region, but you actually helped bring a terrorist organization
become a legitimate political organization on the world stage.
I thought Georgie was anti-terrorist. Dufuss!!! | |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 8:05:20 AM | Query jrguitar23 - are not the Zionist Isrealis fanatics as well? By my definition they are, and let's all be clear on ONE fact, since the modern conflict began in the 20th century in the Middle East TEN TIMES as many Palestinians have died as compared to Isreali casualties. The reason why the Isreali Mossad is so adept at dealing with terrorism is because prior to their legitimacy in 1948 they were one of the world's largest terrorist organizations themselves. So yeah, if I saw my family members blown to bits by American and Zionist missiles and bombs I might be compelled to take drastic action in retaliation (IF it were in my nature, but it's not).
You demonstrate your ignorance quite well - Muslims are not pagan (here's a link - LEARN!
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html)
And anyone who advocates genocide of a culture is a cretin (just like your president).
There is one thing we agree upon. The U.S. should have never meddled in the Middle East, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. Strange how everywhere in the world where the americans have meddled are regions that are rife with turmoil. Great job!!!
Perhaps you should get out of your recliner and get educated. | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/29/2006 8:25:28 AM | AHA!!! My suspicions have been confirmed ...
"Polls Show Many Americans are Simply Dumber Than Bush
By Paul Craig Roberts
01/29/06 "ICH" -- -- Two recent polls, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll and a New York Times/CBS News poll, indicate why Bush is getting away with impeachable offenses. Half of the US population is incapable of acquiring, processing and understanding information." | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/30/2006 8:49:08 AM |
There is one thing we agree upon. The U.S. should have never meddled in the Middle East, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. Strange how everywhere in the world where the americans have meddled are regions that are rife with turmoil. Great job!!!
The US is a superpower, kind of a neo-empire. For the US to be as prosperous as it is, someone else needs to take the brunt.
There is no equality in the world and the US has only managed to sustain this position of power because of its involvement in other areas of the world...
If anything, the US should do things in a more intelligent and sustainable way that benefits those countries and tries to improve their conditions while exploiting them, this is what the US does with allies. When you are not an ally, the US doesn't care unless you cause threats to it: Terrorism...
Throughout history there has always been an us vs. them and as long as resources are limited and people are hungry for power this will continue, I don't know why everyone is so amazed.
Google US dollar hegemony, it will answer hundreds of your questions.
Israel is a US ally, if it weren't for Israel, Iraq would probably have nuclear weapons by now, totally different outcome no?
BTW to anyone that has seen CNN, Hamas is committed to only consider a Hudna: Temporary truce providing Israel withdraws back to the 67 borders, I said it days before, now they have said it.
So is it now finally clear to all that they are not ready to accept a Jewish state next to them?
... waiting for the answers of all the apologists for Arab terrorism... | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/30/2006 10:52:53 AM | kosher... i have nothing but the greatest respect for you definding your country, but you must understand hamas by winning in the past election , has found themselves on the world stage, now they are playing with the big boys! they must have their respect, which means they must reconize the jewish state and renounce and denounce terrorism, or they will self-distruct!
no here has said for your country to be prepaired to defend, nor did anyone say that the u.s. sand your other allies sould not be prepaired to come to your aid if you call.
but its time for you to be prepaired to defend , but to whatch for they two ways to go, one; to comfrom to international law , or distory themselves from within | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/30/2006 11:27:47 PM | Did the latest bombing give you a clue?
There have been no bombing's reported since that election. All I'm hearing
now is that some world leader's are asking Hamas to renounce violence if it
want's to be negotiated with. They said "behave yourselves or we're not
gonna talk to you."
Elaborate, please. | |
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| Hamas wins Palestinian elections! So you wanted democracy...
Posted: 1/30/2006 11:47:31 PM | latest info is the EU and US are cutitgn off aid unless Hamas renounces violence and recognises Israel.
Just becuase Hamas was elected by popualr vote does not entitle it to repsect. If I am wrong and it does then stop bashign on Bush. | |
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