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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/23/2006 8:20:56 AM | I left, the final time, June of 2005. It was also physical abuse that esculated, which is typical. Also, according to Domestic violence statistics, it generally takes 7 times of trying to leave before the final exit.
The straw the broke the camel's back? I was running out the back door to neighbor's until he calmed down and I could get my car keys, when a hammer he had thrown at me flew past my head within an inch of my ear! It shattered the patio door and woke up my brain! I had been packing and trying to leave, with reason, for a week and had left 2 times prior for 2-3 days, hoping it would wake him up.
I was paying for everything anyway, struggling to get by, with him selling MY stuff to a pawn shop and buying beer and drugs with it, while I was working my A$$ off! Things are much better now, although I did stay with my Mom for a couple of months, then moved to a totally different state after having to go to court to file a Protective Order, which was granted because he showed his true colors in front of the judge and almost got thrown in jail for "Contempt of Court"!!! What an idiot!
I was helping his sons as much as I could, who lived with us off and on. We were together for 10 years. I still talk to his sons, now 19 and 17, who do love me and offer support for what I did. They saw way too much, but I always protected them from his wrath.
This place helps, 'cause like somebody else said before me,....if I can save 1 person from the same thing, it was worth writing. Also, talking about it is very healing. I love my life now and am into anybody that is positive, self-sufficient and friendly in nature. Also a great sense of humour is of the utmost importance! If we can't laugh at ourselves, then what is the point of it?  | |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 8:32:07 AM | (1) Tell us how you did it! and/or...
Opened door & walked out, (with a dislocated arm...)
(2) What was the "straw that broke the camel's back"? (and how long from then til you actually were on your own again?)
I was really young at the time, early 20's. I started seeing this guy while I was going through a very difficult and emotional family crisis. At first, he seemed like a really awsome dude, but a little ways down the road this guy would constantly criticise and pick on me & cheat on me. He ruined my self esteem & I had a hard time breaking away from him.
The straw was that he was becoming physically abusive. We were bickering and he grabbed my arm, twisted it & dislocated the shoulder. He didn't contact me after that either, probably afraid I'd report him to the police.
He set a pattern of very unhealthy relationships to follow.
(3) Did your quality of life suffer much (loss of two incomes/residence, that sort of thing), and how did you deal with that?
No, we weren't married or living together. It took a long time for me to have a better self immage.
(4) Did you have kids to consider too (did they motivate you in some way to stay longer or leave sooner)?
No, thank God
(5) How does a place like this help or hurt? I wish I had some kind of support when I was seeing him, somebody to tell me to dump that fool, but the internet wasn't around then. I think it helps to get advice & talk to people. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 8:35:57 AM | the line was drawn after my ex-husband hurt my son, his step-son. after enduring countless attacks myself, seeing my son cry for hours was more than i could bare. the break-up was immediate with no turning back. this was before laws protected women and children as they do now. i told my son alot would change for us financially, but he assured me it would be worth it for our safety. he was right! best of luck to any women going through this now, sorry for what you are going through, but a better life awaits you!    | |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 2:31:46 PM | 1. I had help from his little brother (who was 18 at the time)who came over during a fight and told me he was sick of it-he put me in his car and took me to the police station while my ex-husband chased us in our pickup.
2. Mostly when even his own aunt told me that she was afraid she was going to see my picture in the obituary one day.
3. I had to move out of the place we were living and into a homeless shelter and he stole some money that I had collected for a Home Interiors party. Luckily, his name was first on the checking account that he bounced, and I could start anew. I was also lucky that I had a good paying job at the time. It made me much stronger and wiser.
4. NO, Thank GOD! Eventually in a future relationship, he was accused of child molestation.
5. No effect on dating sites-I don't put that in my profile.
I am now pursuing a degree in Criminal Justice and plan to use it to get a job/career helping other women who are being abused. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:04:03 PM | 1) I just did
2) The straw was one day when I was protecting my kids from him and he kicked me and told me I knew nothing about life and was good for nothing.I said that I have lived enough life with him and so have the kids.
3) NO, I supported him and did everything,so my quality of life is better.But he robbed me of my spirit and that has been a hard thing to recover.
4) When the kids were young it motivated me to stay.I did not believe in divorce. As they grew older and I saw what they were learning it motivated me to leave.
5) Right now it is helping to write this down as it is hard to believe that I even lived it as long as I did. | |
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Joined: 2/20/2006
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/25/2006 5:44:07 PM | | just a little advice for anyone who thinks they are getting good advice from couragestrengthandwisdom after reading a post by victorssecret in a fourm called trust i looked back and found courage on old posts on this site calling herself postyboss tiggeriffic and the bear12 also i'm back from tillsonburg ont. she has gone from a bit of a vamp to someone who quotes the bibble if any of you remember her posting as one of these people just check back and read your old posts i think her new soulmate may be in for a big surprize in the future. she sounds like i bit of a verbal abuser to me but thats just my 2cents worth read her post and maybe youll see the real tiggeriffic postyboss bear12 i'm back couragestrengthandwisdom ( AND SIBBLE) | |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 5:59:06 PM | (1) I simply let go; he had been wanting to live in the basement and come and go even more then he already did like it was a hotel. I finally said --- that's it, move to the basement. He moved out 4 months later. Hindsight: I was lucky he left.
(2) My 12 yr old daughter asked me if I knew how he talked about me to everyone behind my back......and when I said yes, she said then why, Mom are you with him??? 4 months
(3) I was fortunate to be able to continue the lifestyle for the children and myself with my income; I left him with his to use for the children when they were with him. It's very liberating when he finally had no way at all to hurt me.
(4) I was trying to get them through high school (14 and 12) now 17 and 15; they are much happier because I am
(5) I was never on the internet during my marriage --- not on a dating or chat site; I think I found great peace in having been committed and never faultering so that when it was over I could feel proud and free to let myself move on. I can't speak for how anyone still in the marriage is helped or hurt. I do think that if you aren't completely in the boat (the committed relationship) both physically and emotionally then it's doomed and already over. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 6:06:16 PM | | Well Pondo, considering you're a 45 yr old man, I find it rather creepy that you would be taking the time to do all of this research on a 19 yr old woman here. Seems you're just trying to start trouble or you have some kind of grudge. Leave the teenagers alone. | |
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Joined: 2/20/2006
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/25/2006 6:20:39 PM | | i geuss sienna you did not look back because she claimed to be 44 years old and sounded like some one you mite want to get to know . if i can give you a little advice try to get to know someone before you start calling them your soulmate and if you don't jump at the first thing that comes along you my find some one who realy cares for you and not someone who may abuse you . good luck you will need it trust me guys can get abused as well as a female and i want to know when someone tells me somthing its the truth. i'v lived in alberta it.s a great place | |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 6:46:24 PM | It definately affects other relationships in my case. I am always on the look out for that one look or if they drink to much I stay in the back ground. Mine used to go out and get drunk or high and come home. I would get beat if I was up because I was trying to 20 question him. If I went to be I would get beat for ignoring him. So the fear is always there. I have just learned that I have to be wiser in the choices that I make.
It does get easier with time though. I went to school (twice now) and got two associate degrees. I am feeling stronger in myself now. My kids are definately happier without the constant fighting. I think I raised my kids to be happier and more carefree after I left him. Didn't have to walk around on eggshells anymore. There is life out there after abuse. I almost lost that life and it made me appreciate it more. | |
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/25/2006 6:53:38 PM | | When you are raised to know that everybody has good in them and the guy doesn't show you this side of him until later in the relationship. The dating period usually goes really smoothly. It is easy for people to criticize the choices of others but until you have lived in their shoes don't be so quick. It took me seven years of being put in and out of hospitals to finally make the break. My self esteem was so low that it seemed like there was no other choice for me but to stay. I am thankful that I had a family that was supportive and was there when I finally decided to make the break. He did follow me from Vegas to Utah and threatened to take the children. Continued to make my life miserable but he knew that he had lost control. I know I have heard people say why doesn't she just leave him. Well most of the time it is easier said than done. There are usually extenuating circumstances that keeps them there. Fear is usually a big one. Please don't be so quick to criticize these women. They have already gone through enough. You sound like you could be an abuser with that attitude. Nice?????? Why aren't you? | |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 7:06:59 PM | I lost everything....my home...my money...my kids..
I left him, he never wanted a DIVORCE...He felt it in his best interest to take everything away from me....He never wanted me to leave him... He even made up a contract on me...He said I will pay emotional, physically till I die ........He had never seen a divorce in his family.......Very religous background..........
We did finally divorce but it was on basis he get the vehicles,the house , the kids, the rrsps,, you name he made me sign it over... Money talks when a divorce is involved...He is well off....
My deciding factor to leave was I was dying on the inside and was a mental wreak from dealing with him...
I knew I had to go..... one can only use meds(prozac) for so long till.. a voice inside says get out and you will be ok...
I went back 3 times...left through a shelter 3 times..
All because he controlled everything...I realized when a man is verbal or mentally abusive they are not happy with themselves.....
I am a stronger woman now and have been blessed with a good circle of freinds and a job I totally love....Now I just need to find a wonderful man to love,,,,
However this is the reason why I am shy..........When you been abused it scares you inside and you wonder are all men the same................
(my ex -husband has since remarried) Thank GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS I believe god looks after us.....and always sends angels our way....
I also now help others who are in the situation I was in............. | |
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Joined: 10/10/2004
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/25/2006 8:28:27 PM | With my man you could perhaps call it a fine line beween emotional abuse and something else. In any case my man was very very clever at manipulating. Something he got from his mother.
The straw that broke the camels back -hard to say -MANY: finding his emails that went on between him and his so called friend for an entire year where they talked about how much they wanted to f*** each other and towards the end in which they discussed meeting in LA to put this into action. These took place up until close before the time he proposed to me despite regular preachings from him about being faithful, about relationships, about all the psychology books he read and despite him at times getting suspicious of me just for mentioning a guy's name 4 times in 2 weeks! Btw, I was faithful and yes it IS wrong to look through someones emails but it was just before our wedding, I had moved all the way to the states for him and I knew something wasn't right.
He then expected it to be in the past after the one night I confronted him with my findings. I wasn't allowed ask questions anymore and he refused to do anything to help me work through my grief and no I'm not picky, fussy, demanding or any of these things. Despite how hard this was I tried my best to be reasonable and if anything I was TOO reasonable. My requests from him were very simple.
I then, upon his COMPLAINTS about me still grieving about this, turned my focus to my desire to get into college. He knew this before I moved to the states and the agreement was that if I moved 5000 miles for him he would support me in college (I mucked up a good course back home for this). When my ex would return home I would try to discuss my findings on a particular college with him but there was always something wrong: no too expensive, so then I'd go back to research a different college and next time it was too far, too this, too that. He was also hypocritical in things like: it was ok for him to suggest that we move to another state for a job but definately not ok that I suggest we move to the other side of the city for a college. -How dare I!
My work permit didn't come in for 8 months. After about 4 - 6 months in the states, I was giving piano lessons to the girl next door and working on saturdays in a pottery shop to keep busy but I had no car, no real access to public transport, no work etc etc. Essentially I was stuck 24/7 in the house and there was nothing I could do about it. Whatever I could possibly do, I did.
Due to our rapidly deteriourating marriage, I organised counselling with a priest and eventually a professional. He manipulated them too. They, like I once upon a time did, saw Mr nice guy just trying his best. This is how good he was. He even had me questioning myself. For 4 years! He sobbed to the counsellor about his financial difficulties which the counsellor then later discussed with me and advised me to arrange work asap. As soon as my work permit was in, I had a job in the local pub and worked my ass off..I was excited that finally I was working, earning money, keeping busy and also at the hope that this might help our marriage but my husband COMPLETELY dismissed it and instead wanted to talk about something cute the dog did.
My last months with my husband were spent crying myself to sleep most nights and having the most horrid nightmares. This is abnormal for me. I knew I HAD to return home for a break for my sanity, despite my husband's pending back operation, as I was definately close to a nervous breakdown. I had already supported him in all his doctors consultations and even the 2 occasions that the surgery was supposed to happen but fell through. We had agreed some months before on my dates to return home but somehow after the surgery falling through, to suggest that he postpone by 2 weeks was the biggest crime in the world.
Nevertheless, I returned home to my family. I discussed it and discussed it and cried and all the things you do. I tried to talk to my husband but as per always he would turn the table back on me, never acknowledging anything he had ever done despite my attempts to take a deep look at any part I was playing in our failing marriage.
As a last resort I basically handed it to him on a platter: I told him that all he had to do was tell me he missed me and wanted me back. Even this was too much to ask.
I never returned to the states.
My first month home was horrible. The torment couldn't have been worse. And I felt abanoned by some of my friends. Particularly my best friend. When a so called friend who tries his luck with every walking female was the one to console me by hugging me and stroking my hair ...I thought to myself "that's it!! No one else but me can get me through this! You can't rely on others. I read one line in a book called spiritual divorce that said "let your divorce be your catylst". This became my motto.
I got myself into a good company with a good job. Made wonderful new friends. Joined a sports centre AND a separate club where I played team sports. I also followed some courses for my education. Granted I spent a year probably overdoing it as I literally BARELY had an hour free. I was always doing something and was only home to sleep. I quit 4 months ago and travelled through Europe for 3 months.
Finally I had some alone time to think about what had happened including the divorce last summer.
Now I'm home again. I write emails every now and then, just a few lines, to my ex husband to see how he's doing and he does the same. I tried to stop the contact at one point but during my travels realised I can't shut out the man I once loved so deeply out of my life completely. As long as I can know every now and then that he's ok then that's what gives me peace of mind. I can look at photos now and finally just smile ie without that twinch in my heart. I started dating again last January.Ie a year ago. Obviously, I still had some issues back then. Now I'm back home looking for work and if Mr Right happens to walk my way well I'm confident there won't be any issues any more! :)
Btw, I will also stress that a big lesson to me in all this is that despite my firm belief that essentially it was my husband who played the major major part in the breakdown of our marriage, you ALWAYS ALWAYS have to take a big look at YOURSELF not the other person. You can only change you and you must claim responsibilty for what happens in your life!
Enjoy life. Don't let the small and stupid things stress you out. Love one another and care for each other and only you can control your destiny..it's there if you want it! :)
I'm sorry if it is longwinded but I hope this helps. I've been there myself and I know how hard it is and how much you need guidance and support from others. | |
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Jlizzy
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Joined: 10/10/2004
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/25/2006 8:36:51 PM | Synical:
"Besides, I'd rather be dirt poor and at peace than comfortable and walking on eggshells for the rest of my life."
Couldn't agree more! My mum put her finger on it when she said "I think you would have been much happier in that appartment (and no trouble) than in that big house!" My ex husband bought a big house much further out in the suburbs, just before I went to the states, "to suprise me". This house left me totally isolated whereas the appartment would have had me closer to public transport and facilities which would have made a HUGE difference. I naievely fell for his "for you" comment...looking back he wanted the house for his own luxury and as and asset towards his dreams of being a real estate agent! | |
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Jlizzy
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Joined: 10/10/2004
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Posted: 2/25/2006 8:48:08 PM | It makes me feel a bit bad to realise that I wrote such a long post after a string of so many women who have suffered much worse!
However..I guess the one thing I can say is that whereas in my opinion things such as physical abuse are balck and white..ie get out of there NOW no question about it, my situation was very much a grey area and much much harder to see for what it was. I hope somehow to be a source of information/inspiration to people in a similar boat.
Kymbie:
"the desire is still as much there as its ever been...we are still human...however....i am much much much more choosey and picky about who i am willing to invite into my future."
I second this! Being in relationships, ESPECIALLY a difficult one, the positive thing is that if you meet a man with any of his traits again you will have alarm bells going off in your head. I can see a controlling man a mile off now! It has given me the ability to know exactly what I want from a man. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 10:17:53 PM | 1) I filed for a divorce and thought I could just leave. It's been 9 months of fighting to be able to get him out of my life and I am still not there yet. He's been able to manipulate the courts like crazy because of his "nice guy" persona that is totally fake. He's still trying to control me by not allowing me to move where my family and support is and since he's still paying the bills at the house he turned off my long distance to isloate me more.
2) and 4) I have 2 little girls and one day while visiting my mom my oldest (5) said that she didn't want to go home because she didnt like it there. I realized how much this was effecting them and i decided that I had to get the strength to leave. I did try to stay for them but I realized in the end that it is better for them to have peace and stability in their lives than to see thier mom being verbally assaulted.
3) Yes and no- Because my husband never gave me any money to live on I was already used to living very frugally- I had a $50/week grocery budget for 4 people. I bought all of my kids clothes at a 2nd hand shop and stuff like that. but there are a lot of programs out there to help women of Domestic Voilence and my local dv agency is wonderful.
5)this is my first time in this forum area of plentyoffish but I think that anywhere that you can get support and understanding is a great place for women who have dealt with abuse. the very thing that abusive men thrive on is keeping you isolated from everyone adn anyone who may possible give you the courage to leave. My husband had us move to 3 different towns in 4 years. Everytime I started to make friends and build a life he would make an excuse for us to have to move away. Keep having faith in yourself and remember that it's not your fault- No Matter What! | |
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Joined: 9/19/2005
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/26/2006 12:17:52 AM | I am absolutely stunned and amazed (and crying) at the posts I've just read. You women are absolutely amazing. It's heartbreaking to think of the SO many women that don't glean the insight each and every one of you came to see in order to turn your lives around. I applaud you.
I've got tales as well but what I've read puts my experience's into perspective and has given me a bit of a kick in the ass (that I've been needing). Thank you.
We all have a story....some a little more gut wrenching then others......but we ALL have a story. Jlizzy, I agree with your comment about physical abuse being more compelling then the agonizingly slow realization that you're being emotionally abused...........I could speak of that myself.........just way too humbled right now to write it! You said you felt a bit bad for writing when other stories involved physical abuse. Don't feel bad! Are you kidding? ANY type of abuse erodes the soul.
Kymbie........you're strength is awe inspiring. You'll be one hell of an advocate.
I've never wanted to hug such a big bunch of strangers in my life! You gals are amazing......keep it up!
P.S. Belgarion: You're a very nice man | |
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/26/2006 1:01:41 AM | 1) Been there too many times and every time my mistake has been doing it little by little... withdrawing myself really slowly keeping on hoping the situation would change and wondering whether I have been misunderstanding some signs. - But when you cannot stand it anymore, aka the bowl is full, you just go away.
2) The straw to break the camel's back has been reminding myself what kind of example I am giving to my daughter. - The time question is a good one. Again: too long time what becomes to mental part. Here the interesting part is how much of the pain has been caused by feeling oneself rejected generally, not just by this certain person. A new, unknown situation in life, aka one person missing, is scary. Lately I have been finding helpful when in front of big changes to visualize a new, better situation. Instead of desperate horrow image I have tried to change the image about future temptating. This simply means changing my attitude, approaching the becoming from totally different perpective.
3 and 4) I am from different culture in which divorce and such does not cause economically insecure situation. Also change a residence could be seen as a positive aspect: you can make your own home for you and your kids - just as you wish it to be. Further more one should ask what quality of life really means: material or peace of mind. The child made me leave sooner, specially in my marriage - she deserved and needed mentally healthy, happier mom.
5) I like to read forums since it opens new perspectives. And I think for many it is a relief to see there have been many others in the same situation. There was a long time ago a there was a discussion about being left. I was just wondering how many readers afterwards felt less shame of being left (pretty natural reaction though there should not be any shame) when reading hilarious, sarcastic comments from other people in the same situation. | |
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| Women who left Verbal/Emotional Abusers...
Posted: 2/26/2006 5:30:15 AM | There is a really good book that I would recommend to anyone who is going through domestic violence called "Why Does He Do That?" it is written by Lundy Bancroft and has a lot of really great information in it. He identifies different types of abusive men, gives ideas about how to plan your escape safely, where to go for help and lots of other helpful info.
I thought it might help. :) | |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 2:22:56 PM | This is a topic that I have struggled with addressing in such a realm, but I feel like there is a section of abuse that is being overlooked, so to speak. First off, let me project that ALL abuse is traumatic and completely dysfunctional in a relationship. There is no one type of abuse or way of abusing that is less/more hurtful to the parties involved.
That being said, so often when we think of abuse, we think of the very direct forms of abuse. The violent tempers, profanity, and such. I guess I would like to express that there is another manner of abusing someone that is insidious in nature. And thus, because of the very underhanded approach, can grasp control of even the most assertive and confident women. I spent 4 years married to such a man and when a loved one finally confronted me, I was shocked that anyone would think that my ex was abusive. It took a lot of reading, counseling, and feedback to realize that, while I always felt that something wasn't quite right, I was in fact, not the problem. Sometimes abuse (emotionally, verbally, physically, sexually, etc) is not "in your face", but rather a slow and calculated process. It is an "I love you" cake being tossed in the trash because "he doesn't like cake" as a newlywed...It is being told repeatedly that you are too close to your family and friends/shouldn't talk to them/can't go see them...It is him finding great humor in snapping you with a towel to see what kind of welts he can leave on you...It is him always being the victim...It is being told that you are too sensitive for the millionth time when your feelings have been hurt...It is being sent to doctor after doctor when you can't respond to him intimately...It is being held down and tickled way past the point of fun...It is him finding the dog trying to protect you as funny...It is...a lot of things that no one sees behind closed doors.
And, while it is important not to blame someone who has experienced an abusive relationship, it is also equally important for those women to stand up, learn all that they can, heal, and move on with their life. Yes, the struggle for him to let go of control can be difficult and long...the legal system is of very little help if he hasn't violently physically assaulted you or made "terroristic threats"...and, for lack of a better way to express myself, it sucks - royally. But, it is absolutely worth it! Your entire body, mind, and soul are impacted by living in such situations and when you can finally break the cycle, there is great freedom waiting for you...the freedom to be yourself and the right to be loved just as you are.
Does the past experience hinder the appeal of future relationships?...Well, perhaps a little bit. I think that everyone desires a healthy, loving, relationship, however, a past experience with abuse can make a person a bit "gun shy", so to speak. In other words, it is one of life's wounds...with time and dedication it heals until it is almost invisible, but a scar will always remain. That scar for me is that I'm less trusting than I once was, less willing to be truly vulnerable, and less patient with violations of my "non-negotiables". However, I can also so that such an experience has made me much stronger as a person, much wiser, and much more determined to embrace a positive long term relationship. So, would I wish the experience on my worst enemy? Never. But, do I regret the experience that I had? No way.
I sincerely hope that the above touched on some points which might not have otherwise come to light. While I'm exceedingly open about my past relationship, I'm not always good at relaying the details. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 2:49:11 PM | | Honestly....one can never see or even know what the relationship holds. I mean it's not like the man introduces himself as...hi my name is Bob and I'm abusive...will u be my wife? | |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 6:32:18 PM | | Well said "honestly". Many partners of this kind of subtle abuse are so confused that it really is hard for them to define what is happening. The man I left was a master at his game so to speak and i could not really figure out what was wrong with our relationship for a long time except that I knew something just wasn't right. The isolation and demeaning he used were supposedly to "teach me to be a better person". What a joke- he was one the one who need to change more. We even went to marriage counseling and the counselor asked me to come back alone. At first I was angry that the counselor was agreeing with him that I was the problem but after time I realized that this dr. could see right through my ex's "lessons" and wanted to help me find the courage to leave and become my own person. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 4:11:29 PM | I don't like people that can't tell the truth, You state that you are 19 and have 2 teenage girls. How old are you really, you must have been only 5 years old when you had your first girl. You must be a real tramp. I agree with victors secret!!!!!!
Your time frames just don't add up. Do you think people are really that stupid that they wouldn't catch on?: | |
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