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Posted: 5/21/2007 3:13:54 PM | cav is right on about couple of points. the first being that baseball stirred the imaginations of youths "back in the day". and it was a direct result of some of the colorful announcers. so when we went to the games to actually see the great roberto or bob gibson etc. we were jacked!!!! and could only hope to go to another game. and the other point being that the nfl is more of a reflection of todays american culture with it's military based strategies. television has made it so todays nfl player doesn't have to work contruction or paint houses in the off season like they did back in the day. and to tie this in with rugby, i don't know if the great jonah lofu has another job in the off season | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 8:28:48 AM |
you continue denying the truth! you have no solution
Again, what "truth?" I have backed up what I have to say with facts and stats; YOU have backed up what you have to say with nothing but insistence that it's right because you said it...and what am I supposed to have a "solution" to? Maybe you're the one that better check the old dictionary this time...
again, baseball is the main and most deep-rooted sport in USA, it describes the American culture better than any other sport, and when it comes to describing USA and its tradition, baseball is on top!
I can only attest this insistence of yours on your fragile command of the English language; you seem to not understand the difference between "fact" and "opinion". I keep telling you-not that you pay attention to anything I've typed- that you would be correct in saying that baseball is the main sport in SOME of the USA, that it describes the tradition in SOME of the USA-not ALL! And I have given you example after example to illustrate this-yet you continue in your insistence that baseball is the sport that matters most, without exception. This makes it your viewpoint, nothing more
Here's some quotes:
"Whether it's true or not, the image of Texas and the settling of Texas is that it was done by rugged individuals who would physically stand their ground, who would physically settle an area. Football, one town against another, became a great outlet for Texans, a way of saying this is what makes us best..."--Don Meredith, The Rites of Fall
"Growing up in a town like Abilene (Tx), those games were the biggest event of the week. Everybody would go-from little kids to senior citizens. As kids, we'd have our own games going on bekind the end zone. Abilene would be winning by forty points, and we'd be there, playing among ourselves, listening to the crowd cheer.
We'd pretend the cheers were for us. All we ever thought about was someday being on the field, wearing one of those uniforms and playing for real. It made me tingle just thinking about it.
In Texas, that was how life was supposed to be."--Jack Mildren
"When you're a third grader in Odessa(Tx), you don't think about what college you want to play for, or what pro team you want to play for. All you think is, 'I want to play for Permian (High School). You'll do whatever it takes to wear that black-and-white jersey." Britt Hager
"We were a tiny school, eight in our senior class...but people loved watching our games. There were only 500 people in the town, but we had crowds of 1500 at some games. they came from miles away.
It was a fun game to play and to watch..."--Jack Pardee, on playing six-man football at Christoval(Tx) High School
"And beyond virtue, there is tradition. a father throws down-and-outs to his 8-year-old daughter in the backyard. a bundled family sets a half-dozen seat pads on the aluminum benches of a high school stadium, ensuring a clear view of the eldest son when he takes the field. A group of giddy, graying fans, dressed cap to toe in red, gather for a pregame picnic at the University of Nebraska homecoming game, as they have annually for 30 years. They are snapshots of football in America, but they are reflections of community and custom.
Football even has become part of a cherished holiday, seeping into the Thanksgiving ceremony as thoroughly as gravy on a hot plate of mashed potatoes. We all know what we have to be thankful for on that indulgent November day: companionship, the health of our loved ones, and [the Detroit Lions playing, as they do every Thanksgiving]..." from the book "Football America"
i do not give a rat's ar$e when Wisconsin or any other state became an official state, what the bloody hell has that got to do with the subject???
I just wanted to make sure that you understood that Wisconsin-just like many other states like Texas, Alaska, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Oklahoma, etc. where football is King-are just as much a part of the USA as New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, etc. where baseball "rules the roost." | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 11:01:02 AM | | steve a guy like petey is never going to get it until he experiences it first hand. it would be like you and i thinking and believing that all the spaniards do is lay around 'til the next bullfight. some europeans think john wayne is riding around out west killing indians. and to be fair, what i know about peteys culture could fill a thimble. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 11:48:56 AM | flthy, I totally agree with you-the only difference is he keeps passing his opinions off as facts, while admitting that the majority of his exposure to most things American is from TV or movies, while you and I are willing to admit we don't know much about Spain, the UK, or Europe as a whole-I know more about Poland than any other part of the continent, but I don't profess to know much more about it than history and geography-and I'm no expert at any of those!
Well, L'il Petey said he wanted to try out his skills in Ingles; so I figure "what the heck?" I'll let him go at it...and sometimes, it's fun to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent!  Look at it this way: I may be doing him a favor, or public service-if he ever does get to America, can you imagine the trouble he'll get himself into if he ends up in Texas or Oklahoma spouting some of his silliness? I may just be stopping a beating!
Assuming he ever gets it... | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 12:40:58 PM | my command of English language is quite good, i perfectly know the difference between fact and opinion! i already stated before that i started learning English at the age of 7 more or less, that i have got 30 lessons from BBC, etc
sadly you have not twigged to that yet!
i got you sussed since you first appeared on this forums! you seem to be an expert but what you are really is just an American who does not have a clue what happens outside your borders!
again and again, English supporters are the best and most loyal! i recommend you watching tomorrow the final of the European Cup with Liverpool facing Milan. you will learn a lot about being a loyal supporter, even if both Liverpool and Milan will play quite far away from their home. the best would be to travel to any English stadium to see it with your own eyes.
me getting trouble in Oklahoma or Texas??? well i would get troubled in a restaurant if i asked for "spotted**** faggots in gravy or toad-in the hole""  surely Americans have not twigged yet that those are old British meals | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 4:35:32 PM |
i already stated before that i started learning English at the age of 7 more or less, that i have got 30 lessons from BBC Yeah, 'cept I started learning the English Language from birth, and I had a heck of a lot more than thirty lessons-and all mine came from my teachers in school, my mother (a teacher), and my aunt (also a teacher)...and I can tell you, you don't know the difference between fact and opinion-at least you haven't demonstrated to me that you do.
sadly you have not twigged to that yet WTF does "twigged" mean? Something you learned from your BBC lessons?
i got you sussed since you first appeared on this forums! you seem to be an expert but what you are really is just an American who does not have a clue what happens outside your borders I never said I was an expert on anything-all I said when I initally posted was that I believe that nobody supports their teams -in any part of the world, in any sport- than fans of the Green Bay Packers-AND I POSTED FACTS AND FIGURES TO BACK IT UP! You, on the other hand, hace quite arrogantly and condescendingly just maintained that I don't know anything, mainly because I'm an American, especially since I'm Midwestern.
i recommend you watching tomorrow the final of the European Cup with Liverpool facing Milan
If some obscure cable channel actually carried it, I might watch-I'm off tomorrow-but other than shelling out extra on Pay-Per-View, it isn't on...and I'm not dropping extra $$ to watch soccer.
the best would be to travel to any English stadium to see it with your own eyes I'd love to-but for arguments sake, it's highly unlikely YOU would ever travel to Green Bay and take in a game at Lambeau Field, since you "don't need any facts," as you put it...so if I ever get to England, more likely I'll spend the time visiting a cultural or historic site.
me getting trouble in Oklahoma or Texas??? well i would get troubled in a restaurant if i asked for "spotted**** faggots in gravy or toad-in the hole"" surely Americans have not twigged yet that those are old British meals
You go into a Texas restaurant and ask for something like that, you're likely to be asked to leave (some advice: if your actually in Texas, order a STEAK! It's a beef state, after all; and you'll get a lot better steak than you'd get in the UK); and if you started spouting that nonsense about baseball down there, you wouldn't be asked to leave- you'd be told not to come back as you hit the sidewalk. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 5:05:08 PM | i think that soccer match is on one of the espn channels. eight i think ( the ocho!!) | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 6:52:05 PM | | Is that before or after Average Joe's takes on the MILF's for the Dodgeball final? | |
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Posted: 5/23/2007 5:09:57 AM | "i think that soccer match is on one of the espn channels"
You are correct,sir. ESPN 2. | |
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Posted: 5/23/2007 5:24:45 AM | "so if I ever get to England, more likely I'll spend the time visiting a cultural or historic site..."
the rivalries we have in north america-you packers with your bears-we in toronto with our leafs and canadiens, yankees/red sox cubs/cardinals--are great rivalries-only to be better, one can assume safely- in one hundred years.
well,
imagine how good liverpool vs. milan is. or arsenal/man u. or barco/real?
people in other parts of the world are sensitive to folks in north america making such blanket statements like-no one supports their teams better anywhere in the world like packers fans...
which is a good opinion-but certainly not fact
and...if i ever visited green bay-are there any cultural sites i might visit...
any cow milking contests i can attend?
any local cow pie art shows?
just kidding... | |
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Posted: 5/23/2007 8:45:08 AM |
magine how good liverpool vs. milan is. or arsenal/man u. or barco/real?
people in other parts of the world are sensitive to folks in north america making such blanket statements like-no one supports their teams better anywhere in the world like packers fans...
So, I can't put in my two cents about which fans are the "best in the World" because the poor Europeans might get their feelings hurt? Maybe they shouldn't be on open forums, then...and I never simply said it was a "fact" that Packer fans are the best-the word "best" automatically implying an opinion-I just held up their devotion for consideration against some of these English soccer fans, or anybody else.
And I've posted facts and figures to prove my point, while Pedro "doesn't need to" do likewise-he just knows it, so it's a fact; and since I'm from the American Midwest, I'm too hyper-insulated to know anything anyway, apparently.
which is a good opinion-but certainly not fact Neither is it "fact" that English soccer fans are automatically the most devoted.
and...if i ever visited green bay-are there any cultural sites i might visit...
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The Oneida Nation MuseumOneida Indian artifacts bring the history of the Iroquois Clan to life. Follow their journey from the state of New York to Wisconsin.
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White Pillars Museum, located in a historic De Pere building, features the history of the city of De Pere and the various ethnic groups which settled in the area. White Pillars Museum is part of De Pere's successful Main Street Program of renovated and revitalized historic buildings.
And of course, your visit to Green Bay wouldn't be complete without a tour of Lambeau Field, or a visit to the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame!  | |
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Posted: 5/23/2007 9:08:21 AM | Neither is it "fact" that English soccer fans are automatically the most devoted.
forget about england
there is a whole world of soccer fans out there
guys in south america jump off their stadiums to their death when their team loses ( they might also be the dumbest fans)
england has won one international title as a country-a bs world cup win in the sixties-at home-on a disputed goal so...
i am talking mainly about italy-spain-brazil-argentina-mexico-france...you get the idea | |
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Posted: 5/23/2007 9:22:13 AM |
there is a whole world of soccer fans out there
Chairman, there is a whole world of SPORTS fans out there! I'm not the one that made the blanket "statement-of-fact," Pedro is...I've only held up Packer fans to be considered in the mix...and as I stated in a previous post:
"...I'm sure the people of the UK do support their soccer teams, as the people of South Africa and New Zealand support their rugby teams, Canada supports their hockey teams, Japan, Cuba and the Northeast US support their baseball teams, and Caribbean nations support their cricket teams..."
Devotion to one's team isn't limited to any single sport, and it isn't limited to any single nation. You're from Toronto, you know this as well as anybody: Argonauts/Tiger-Cats sure comes to mind... | |
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Posted: 5/23/2007 9:37:01 AM | i prefer rams/niners
notre dame/michigan
i am a canadian who is no tone of those "cfl is just as good" kind of guys
points taken though dude and i will exit stage left | |
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Posted: 5/23/2007 12:47:42 PM | yes devotion is not limited to any single sport but depending on the sport and its location/historical matters you may have more loyal supporters.
also, right now football in Japan is on a higher level than baseball | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 6:39:13 AM | I'm also going to have to put my support in the rugby camp on this debate. There is more skill and flare in the game especially in the southern hemisphere rugby, there is far less stopages to play throughout the game which can be annoying...in saying that though these new rediculous scrum laws  are going to need to be fully sorted by the world cup out before the first game kicks off, or there are going to be some very disillusioned rugby fans out there! | |
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Posted: 8/24/2007 9:36:07 AM | I have to admit that my knowledge of Rugby, Aussie Rules and similar mostly 'Commonwealth' games is a little limited, but I've seen a few games, including Gaelic Football, Hurling, Lacrosse and other sports the average American has barely even heard of, if at all.
It sure looks like the main difference between Rugby and American Football is the size of the players.
Rugby players seem to be relatively 'normal' in terms of what the majority of the human population looks like and weighs, whereas American Football players tend to tip[ the scales very distinctly towards the 'huge', 'ultra-huge' or ultra-super-mega-huge' side .......
They need those pads, otherwise they would kill each other.
There's only so many pounds of body mass you can ram into somebody's neck at speed before it breaks.
An American Football player could probably literally break most Rugby players in half, the thing is , they would never catch them, they'd be out of breath after 10 seconds......
And I'll have to agree with the observation on the fan support, don't know about Rugby, but Soccer fans are about 1,000 times more 'rabid' than even the fiercest American Football fan.
For the most part, US sports fans are relatively calm, polite and civilized - compared to much of the rest of the world, where a sport like Soccer is essentially the modern replacement for religious warfare and fan support dredges up animosities that go back centuries in many cases. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 4:05:44 AM | I've seen this debate before and its really apples and oranges. NFL linebackers playing rugby would tire to fast, rugby players would be overwhelmed by the insane combination of how big and fast NFL players are playing football.
For just hitting though, I would much rather get hit by a rugby player than to put on pads and run with a ball towards ray lewis who would be the biggest and the fastest guy on a rugby field. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2007 2:51:38 PM | Rugby players seem to be relatively 'normal' in terms of what the majority of the human population looks like and weighs, whereas American Football players tend to tip[ the scales very distinctly towards the 'huge', 'ultra-huge' or ultra-super-mega-huge' side ....... They need those pads, otherwise they would kill each other. They need those pads & helmets to protect themselves from other people's helmets. But if they took their helmets and pads off, they probably do each-other less damage.
An American Football player could probably literally break most Rugby players in half... If he was allowed to keep his padding and helmet on, maybe. But it'd be interesting to see a few NFL stars without their armour, taking a few shots like these;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcgmDAzDwy8
...and then have to carry on playing for 80 minutes without the regular intervals.  | |
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Posted: 8/31/2007 1:00:25 PM | | three words bigger, faster , stronger. and that..would be football | |
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Posted: 9/1/2007 3:19:51 AM | 14 words;
check padding, start, stop, wait on sidelines, check padding, start, stop, interval, change ends.
That would be the average player's entire involvement in a whole match of NFL.  | |
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Posted: 9/1/2007 7:50:12 AM | | spoken by someone who could NEVER participate | |
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Posted: 9/1/2007 11:31:29 AM | ^^^^^you should agree with at least one of rugbyfan's posts.
yes NFL players are strong and big, but if they got rid of the helmets and pads, then the game will not be so hard and will not have those hard impacts, for players will look after themselves. on the other hand, having those helmets and pads you do know you are not going to suffer. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2007 11:40:02 AM | | petey, guys get concussions all of the time even with the helmets. guys get hurt all of the time even with the "padding". watch a game. rugbettes do not hit at the high speeds that the football players do. and if that fan has something that i could agree with then i would. | |
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