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| | are women playing GOD when they become pregnantPage 18 of 54 (14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54) | So every man who is sexually active and doesn't want kids should get his scrotum punctured and his Vas Deferens cut so that women don't have to worry about birth control pills and to avoid the rare cases where a woman accidentally gets pregnant, so she doesn't have to decide between abortion or giving birth. Every PERSON who's sexually active and never wants kids should be sterilized or take responsibility for their own outcomes. That's men and women. Always cover your side no matter what the other side says (yes even if you don't "like the feel of" condoms).
We're talking about millions of men here. Why should all of us need to get this procedure just to stop women from having the capability of ruining our lives by forcing us to become fathers? If the choice is abstinence, vasectomy or child support - you're free to pick one. Women have our options when it comes to this. Men do as well. And not millions, but the men who KNOW they never want kids? Absolutely.
It's not always 100% effective, anyway, and there is pain involved, in addition to bruising and bleeding. You've obviously never heard of Post-Vasectomy Pain Syndrome, which is a side-effect of this procedure and causes discomfort in the male genitals that can last a lifetime. You didn't just say there's pain involved did you? In what situation involving pregnancy or sexual consequence is pain NOT involved? I won't even go there. Women aren't going to feel bad about this compared to AI, giving birth and tubal ligation...all three are just as or a lot more painful than a vasectomy. Suck it up hon.
Again, I think women should assume men are not going to contribute and therefore not even consider pregnancy unless/until they can do it alone. If you really don't want kids, male OR female, you can avoid it easily enough. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:17:14 PM |
I have a brother now in his 60's - he's a respected well to do physician/anesthesiologist ...he has 5 daughters by three wives which of course, has always been the source of much teasing. What we didn't know for years is that while in medical school, he "got" a local girl pregnant during one of his visits at home. Which of course put a damper on his plans to finish medical school and establish a career before starting a family yada yada yada. So....my brother, a nice, intelligent, very smart guy in his own right, WALKED away and left her to fend for herself - he also left behind his one and only son. No one vilified my brother - NO ONE -not his family, not his community, not his colleagues, not his friends....not even his own son or daughters. What I heard over and OVER again is "that's just the way it was back then besides he had no choice with school yadayada ad nauseum ad infinitum.
My mother (87) and herself an orphan (her parents died young), was trained and later worked in a professional capacity at La crèche d'Youville, a large catholic orphanage in Montréal, and I grew up seeing my mother try to rid herself of the horrors she saw first hand in that place. To this day, my mother STILL cries and prays for the many mothers who had NO choice but to leave their children behind - she also prays for the many babies and children who were neglected, abused and forgotten in those gawd forsaken institutions because society/the church/the government/men dictated that that's the way it was.
I could give dozens, possibly hundreds, more examples of men who abandoned = WALKED AWAY (NOT killed or murdered) their children who weren't vilified and/or talked about or shunned for years in their communities for having abandoned their children.
Although these are very tragic stories that illustrate well the painful consequences of mens sefishness..........you are trying to reach people (men) who just don't care. They all know there stories already. All of them.
Get it through your head. They DON"T CARE.
THEY KNOW AND THEY DON'T CARE.
Do you really think telling them these stories is making a difference or will ever make a difference? It would only make a difference to someone who CARES about other peoples feelings. These guys don't care about anyone but themselves. That should be plain as day otherwise they would wear a condom, withdraw, use spermicide etc. End of debate, no need for this thread. men have unprotected sex becuase THEY WANT TO AND THEY DON"T CARE ABOUT HOW YOU SUFFER BECAUSE THEY FULLY PLAN TO JUST WALK AWAT AND LEAVE YOU WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
Once you realise that, you can smoke them out in the early stages of dating and dump them before the **** you over.....literally. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:28:36 PM | Now, I want the questioned I asked before answered:
Does a woman's sexual desire play any role in her getting pregnant? And here's an additional question: if men choose abstinence as a form of birth control, then does this affect women negatively in any way? | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:31:02 PM |
That's easy to say when it's not your money.
You stupid shallow idiot. I raised a child alone. It was ALL MY MONEY. Not a cent from him. It says quite clearly on my profile I have a child. Do you think that was for free> It is YOU who knows nothing about any of this any yet you are so vocal, talking out of your ass.
I was leaving the country to emigrate to Canada and he wanted me to get prgnant so he deliberately broke the condom with his thumbnail while we were ****ing then came inside me on purpose and admitted he did it to get me pregnant. Happens all the time. Lots of men think getting a girl pregnant will trap her to him. I was young and foolish then and I have PAID for my actions.
Thankfully I did not kill my child nor walk away from my responsibilities and I now have an amazing daughter who loves and values me deeply and obviously I feel blessed to have this amazing person in my life but don't dismiss what I PAID for that PRIVILEGE. I paid in every possible way.
It is YOU who knows NOTHING of the PRICE you pay once a woman gets pregnant. We can never just walk away without any consequences. That's why we have the greateer choices but I know you don't care about right or wrong. You just want the easy way out. That is obvious. You strike me as wilfully ignorant of anything that it doesn't suit your agenda to be aware of.
I know all about paying for other peoples selfish behavior. And I still assure you waht I paid in money is nowhere near the cost emotionally, socially or physically that I also paid. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:35:51 PM |
So every man who is sexually active and doesn't want kids should get his scrotum punctured and his Vas Deferens cut so that women don't have to worry about birth control pills and to avoid the rare cases where a woman accidentally gets pregnant, so she doesn't have to decide between abortion or giving birth.
Yes.
It's a lot easier than having a doctor scrape the inside of your womb to rip your child from your body and flush it in pieces down the drain. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:36:50 PM | "Although these are very tragic stories that illustrate well the painful consequences of mens sefishness..........you are trying to reach people (men) who just don't care. They all know there stories already. All of them."
These stories are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
In actual competitive debate, you would be awarded last place if you tried to use such tactics. Appeals to emotion are fine as long as they are backed by logical points, which these are not.
I could provide stories as well describing the evils that women do. But they would likewise be irrelevant to the topic unless they were illustrating a relevant logical point.
For example:
"Today, I had drunk sex with a girl that I barely know. I didn't have a condom and was nervous about getting her pregnant, but she assured me that I could pull out. Right when I was about to pull out, she wrapped her legs around me and yelled : "BE MY BABY'S DADDY!" I couldn't get out in time. FML"
This story shows how some women deliberately lie and trap men into pregnancy. But it is also an irrelevant story. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:42:27 PM | You stupid shallow idiot. I raised a child alone. It was ALL MY MONEY. Not a cent from him. It says quite clearly on my profile I have a child. Do you think that was for free> It is YOU who knows nothing about any of this any yet you are so vocal, talking out of your ass. Excuse me! That comment was in response to "pro-filer's" post, not you. I don't know why you're attacking me. I think I've had enough of this thread. These heated emotions are getting tiresome. Thanks for the debate. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:45:11 PM | I said that men are drafted / fight in wars due to biological differences and this is more harmful than women giving birth
Actually that's totally wrong.
More women die in childbirth every year than die in wars. Accorting to the World Health Organisation it's about half a million every year.
Only a small percentage of women have access to adequate medical care. Western medicine is available for the minority of the world population.
Do you think giving birth is pain free. Do you think we don't have permanent scars from it. Do you think that the drastic permanent changes to your breasts, the strech marks, the waight gain (for some not all), the tearing of the vagina, the cutting from her vagina to her ***hole are of no consequence or discomfort?
This is willful ignorance. All of you know some women go through sheer hell to have kids but you pretend you don't know so you can play the victim.
I don't care about cahngin yoru viewpoint. All I care about is that women know there are LOTS OF SELFISH GUYS OUT THERE and not to believe your BS and STEER CLEAR OF YOU and NOT HAVE SEX WITH YOU = EVER.
And I think it's working. Lets face it - you guys aren't getting any are you.
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:49:23 PM | "More women die in childbirth every year than die in wars. Accorting to the World Health Organisation it's about half a million every year."
Yes, because there are more women giving birth than soldiers fighting in wars. Per capita it is much more dangerous.
As for which is worse, just go ask your mother or any mother. Ask her if she would rather undergo pregnancy and childbirth or go serve a couple years in the army during peacetime (let alone during a war).
"As for wars, you men start them so feel free to go fight them."
There are many wars that were started by countries led by women.
But my underlying point still stands which you did not refute. There are biological differences that result in hardship for both genders. Neither men nor women should be punished for that.
"All I care about is that women know there are LOTS OF SELFISH GUYS OUT THERE and not to believe your BS."
And just as many deceitful and selfish women. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:54:18 PM | "Today, I had drunk sex with a girl that I barely know. I didn't have a condom and was nervous about getting her pregnant, but she assured me that I could pull out. Right when I was about to pull out, she wrapped her legs around me and yelled : "BE MY BABY'S DADDY!" I couldn't get out in time. FML"
This story shows how some women deliberately lie and trap men into pregnancy. But it is also an irrelevant story.
Liar.. you just did provide what you think is a reasonable story to support you case. It's not a reasonable story AT ALL.
I don't believe for one second this ever happens. Men are plenty strong enough to pull away. You are bring ridiculous and even if this happend on rare occasions it's really a huge stretch to suggest this is a reality.
Most often, the woman trusts the guy will pull out and he doesn't. You're a liar and you don't care.
You are sincerely mistaken that I am trying to reach men with appeals to conscience or emotions.
I am quite certain you don't have a conscience or feelings. My only interest is so that women read this and think again about who they DON"T want to sleep with.
My intention is not towards you at all. I simply want women to stop ****ing guys like you.
Admit it, you're not getting any are you. Times have changed. Guys like you can't get laid anymore because women don't need you anymore. Ha ha ha.
There are many wars that were started by countries led by women.
Name them.
And yes, two years in the army during peace time is MUCH EASIER than raising a kid especially alone.
You're joke.
In point of fact, I do have a girlfriend that I regularly have sex with. She has had a tubal litigation, but if she hadn't and she somehow got pregnant, she would get an abortion. In the event that she did not want to get an abortion, she agrees with me that women who choose to birth their child against the wishes of the man should not be able to force the man to pay child support.
You are a liar. There's no way a young girl has had a tubal ligation. Doctors won't even do them on young girls and no way do I believe you are dating an older mature woman. You probably just changed your profile to not single not looking just to make this fragile point didn't you. Pathetic. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 1:57:30 PM | I didn't have a condom and was nervous about getting her pregnant, but she assured me that I could pull out. Seriously? Is that what you guys are taught in Sex Ed.? That withdrawal is an effective method of birth control? Jayzus!!! 
No wonder the stats support hypothesis that less-educated people have higher birth rates!  | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 2:05:20 PM | Most often, the woman trusts the guy will pull out and he doesn't. You're a liar and you don't care.
Sorry...just had to have a laugh here at the thought of this supposed form of birth control based on any kind of trust factor, rather than effective method. No wonder there are so many unwanted pregnancies...they're both idiots playing Russian Roulette. This is more often the case than anything else. No one is playing God in the majority of cases...they are playing stupid...no wait...they ARE stupid (read uneducated on top of lazy with respect to birth control)...in the vast majority of cases. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 2:05:38 PM | So now you're saying what I believe or don't believe? Sorry, you don't have the ability to read my mind and say that.
For the rest of your post, you have no logical points, merely a rant.
In point of fact, I do have a girlfriend that I regularly have sex with. She has had a tubal litigation, but if she hadn't and she somehow got pregnant, she would get an abortion. In the event that she did not want to get an abortion, she agrees with me that women who choose to birth their child against the wishes of the man should not be able to force the man to pay child support.
As for the effectiveness of the pull-out method, it is 96% effective IF used properly. Which is a big if.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus#Effectiveness
Yes, it is Wikipedia but the source Wiki cites is a scientific textbook. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 2:28:24 PM |
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Coitus interruptus, also known as withdrawal or the pull-out method, is a technique in which a man withdraws his penis prior to ejaculation during sexual intercourse, with the semen being ejaculated outside of and away from the vagina. It is and has been widely used for at least 2,000 years as a method of contraception. This method was used by an estimated 38 million couples worldwide in 1991. Some medical professionals view withdrawal as an ineffective method of birth control.
I believe it states at the end of the paragraph that it is considered an ineffective method of birth control. I do not believe your story either and I do not believe you are responsible enough to be engaging in sex.
Sheesh, they take guns away from irresponsible gun owners who kill people, to bad we can't take away the penis from irresponsible penis owners who risk bringing unwanted children into the world.
Excuse me while I go give my upper head a shake. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 2:57:59 PM | It is precisely because of the selfish lack of responsibility so many men insist on adhering to that so many women want nothing more than to use you right back. It's a vicious cycle.
Many women know men don't really care about them so they consciously choose to use men up and spit them out as best they can and they feel no shame. I assure you women are quite frank with each other about doing this. Just as frank as men are about using women.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that's the way it is and...
You are perpetuating your own misery with your attitude.......and that's why I will never feel sorry for you. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 4:00:06 PM | Yes, the withdrawal method is ineffective because it is usually improperly used. However, statistics show that if PROPERLY used it has a 96% success rate and a 4% failure rate.
That is all I said about it, I did not endorse or encourage it.
As for that story about the guy not being able to pull out, that seems very plausible to me. What is so hard to believe about it?
"And yes, two years in the army during peace time is MUCH EASIER than raising a kid especially alone."
That is not what I said. I said the process of pregnancy and childbirth (or the alternative, abortion) is preferable to serving a few years in the army. Moreover, some women never have kids whereas ALL men (in the applicable countries) must serve in the army.
Regarding my girlfriend, she is 23 and had a tubal litigation at 21. I assure you it is quite possible to get such an operation, where I live (city of Vancouver in Canada) at least. Not sure about other place.
As for wars started/fought by countries led by women:
Margaret Thatcher and Indira Gandhi are relatively recent examples. There are some historical examples as well such as Boudicca (Celtic) and Joan of Arc (technically not a ruler, but still started a war).
However, this is irrelevant to my point. Which I repeated more than once, and that is neither gender should be punished for biological differences which is the only possible justification for the current system regarding parental rights. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 4:04:31 PM | needless to say guys, no u dont have equal rights to us women on this matter and probably never will, the authorities will not be doing a u-turn anytime soon is my guess! but if men were to make a stand against this equality, how would u go about it? Suggestions please!!!! and at what point do u relinquish responsability for embryo/Problem?
i dont see any feesible forward solution for you! | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 4:10:18 PM | I already posted a fair solution.
Women have choice over their own body (choose to have an abortion or not as they wish). If they choose to have the child against the wishes of the father, the father should not be forced to pay child support.
If a parent chooses not to fulfil parental responsibilities of supporting the child, then they do not get parental rights (assured visitation rights and such).
Some have raised questions about certain issues that could arise in such a situation but I have already provided answers. Then one person claimed my answers were "inane" but could not or did not explain why. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 4:22:05 PM | The problem with fuzzy logic is, it ultimately fails under proper scrutiny....
imposing his will in the most selfish way is EXACTLY what he is doing.
And no, the law does not support it. The law says men like that have to pay for the consequences. And so they should. Thank you for finally corroborating the injustice of imposing one's will upon another, and showing that the law does recognize that there should be consequences.
There are so many fallacious arguments based on false premises being presented in defense of a woman's right to extort money for her decisions to have a child, mostly conjuring the "intentions" behind the REASONS sex was taking place.
All based on the premise there was ILL WILL from the man, and that there is a transgression against the woman, a crime committed AGAINST her, that must be punished, in the form of fines, should she CONSCIOUSLY DECIDE to avoid MITIGATING an exposure to the man's ejaculate.
Let's establish first and foremost it, most sex is recreational, not procreational.
It might take a while, but eventually, the law will be overturned where the courts will not force men into paying for an unwanted or accidental pregnancy, as there are no reasonable reasons to do so, given the methods of post coital pregnancy prevention, chemical abortion, medical abortion, adoption. The fact had always been that the woman was willing to assume the risk SHE was placing her body in, during recreational sex, and what could potentially be the outcome of that.
Men don't "get" women pregnant would do not want to get pregnant.
Women get THEMSELVES pregnant. Either by design, or by accident. A woman does not become exposed to a man's ejaculate without consent, no more than she does to STD's, without consent. She voluntarily chooses to EXPOSE herself.
SHE consciously took the RISK. The consequences of her choices are for her to bear, and for her to bear ALONE.
A man can ejaculate outside of her vagina and she could still get it inside her.
She has no viable excuse to convince anyone that there was any pressure to influence her decision to have a man penetrating her vagina, either.
There are numerous ways a woman can be a pleasurable and satisfying partner without the need for penetration.
Do you think having an abortion on your conscience is not a form of payment????? Strawman. You would have to clearly establish that emotional trauma is a known outcome of abortion. She can employ post coital pregnancy prevention, and chemical abortion to avoid any emotional trauma from ever needing to occur. There would be probably more emotional "anxiety" experienced throughout her lifetime taking home pregnancy tests than the two methods of pregnancy prevention I just suggested.
I assure you, paying MONEY is the EASIEST option to take onece you get pregnant Wanting, and having a baby, and having someone else pay for half of it, is certainly easier, and would make one more inclined to make the decision to have the baby.
The courts are simply enabling women to CHOOSE to have babies. Governments are loving it that the population continues to grow. Kids stimulate spending from adults.
It is precisely because of the selfish lack of responsibility so many men insist on adhering to that so many women want nothing more than to use you right back. It's a vicious cycle. Use us? Use us how? You mean fvck us, and then get dressed and go home?
Or use abuse us?
You're not getting the male "perspective" of women at all. And you don't know where it comes from. Women themselves. There's no conjuring on our part at all.
Sorry to burst your bubble...
A lot of men look at all the things women feel entitled to, the sexist double standards, and see them as a huge LIABILITY, and associate all the PROBLEMS it takes to maintain a relationship with one.
Many women know men don't really care about them so they consciously choose to use men up and spit them out as best they can and they feel no shame. I assure you women are quite frank with each other about doing this. Just as frank as men are about using women.
You mean they're just looking to us for sex? Many women are NOT looking for commitment, and marriage, and white picket fences with 2.3 kids and an SUV? I've been trying to tell that to you woman all along about what I experience with women, and you claim that it's not true. Now you claim, that what I've been saying all along is the truth. Too funny.
You are sincerely mistaken that I am trying to reach men with appeals to conscience or emotions.
I am quite certain you don't have a conscience or feelings. My only interest is so that women read this and think again about who they DON"T want to sleep with.
My intention is not towards you at all. I simply want women to stop ****ing guys like you. You'll drive yourself insane then. Guys like me have too much going for them. I have a conscience, and emotions, and some charm. Know how to please a woman, and know how to avoid getting her knocked up...
But it's what we DON'T have that really makes us most appealing. No ex-wife , no children. Hassle free.
Admit it, you're not getting any are you. Times have changed. Guys like you can't get laid anymore because women don't need you anymore. Ha ha ha.
In your wildest dreams, is that the case....
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 4:25:57 PM | | im more interested in how u would make ur point valid to governments, aside from any gender blaming, what is ur proposal to rectify inequality, u would have to have a better arguement than, i want nothing to do with this child!, thats not gonna convince government or change policy! | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/14/2009 4:28:22 PM | Regarding my girlfriend, she is 23 and had a tubal litigation at 21. I assure you it is quite possible to get such an operation, where I live (city of Vancouver in Canada) at least. Not sure about other place.
I can't speak for your girlfriend's medical situation but I can tell you that it certainly was NOT true for my 23 year old daughter. She was denied a tubal ligation based on her age. She is also here in BC. I am wondering if that wasn't true for your girlfriend because she has some sort of medical condition that would make pregnancy difficult for her.
It should also be noted that when I had said daughter all those years ago, I had to have my husband give his consent for me to have a tubal. And... when my daughter was requesting same, she also was asked if she had a husband because if she did, he would have to consent to the procedure.
Speaking of medical procedures that women have undergone re procreation, it wasn't too terribly long ago that a woman being advised to have a hysterectomy was told to ALWAYS get a second medical opinion because physicians were routinely performing them for almost any reason at all. The word "hysterectomy" means "to remove hysteria" and the operation was performed ostensibly because it was believed that this was one way to calm a woman down.
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