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| | are women playing GOD when they become pregnantPage 26 of 54 (14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54) | The above post^^^^^^^
You have a choice not to sleep with a woman per se. You have a choice to wear a condom with an additional spermicid (sp) protection. You have a choice to date normal woman who are not going behind your back. You have a choice to date women with a system of values who find unaaceptable to have a kid out of wed-lock. You have a choice to hire a good attorney.
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:12:36 PM | ^^^^^You know Tom I was like you when my wife was expecting but at the stroke of a gavel my whole world changed and I was thousands of dollars in debt and reduced to a less than every other weekend visitor.
I have read your posts and you are hopefully going to be one of the lucky ones that makes it, I wish the best for you.
BUT please refrain from making frivilous suggestions about how easy it is to just get a good attorney, A man should not have to pay for something that is already his, the child.
If there was true 50/50 split then there would no need for childsupport and if a case goes to court why would a woman be given preference to child rearing?
We currently have a system wherein a man does not enter a courtroom on an equal footing, that my friend is injustice. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2009 4:19:50 PM | The above post^^^^^^^
In case of a divorce both parties may choose to have an attorney (kids or no kids).
""""""""""A man should not have to pay for something that is already his, the child."""""""" Yes he should we call it child support.
""""""We currently have a system wherein a man does enter a courtroom on an equal footing, that my friend is injustice. """""""" Equal footing means justice and not INjustice.......
Am I not reading it right because I am not a native speaker????? | |
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njbris
| | Joined: 10/17/2009
Msg: 629 | |
| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:26:29 PM | You have a choice not to sleep with a woman per se. You have a choice to wear a condom with an additional spermicid (sp) protection. You have a choice to date normal woman who are not going behind your back. You have a choice to date women with a system of values who find unaaceptable to have a kid out of wed-lock. You have a choice to hire a good attorney.
News flash, women have these choices to and yet, they still get CHOICES during pregnancy that men don't. Meaning, women have the same choices that men do (before pregnancy) PLUS other choices that men don't (during pregnancy).
So tell me, what is your argument? | |
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Posted: 11/16/2009 4:33:36 PM | njbris, pretty much everyone acknowledges that men no longer have choices once conception takes place. It is indeed unfair.
What baffles me is that this does not cause men to be more serious about b/c. They need to be convinced into using condoms. Why don't more men volunteer/insist on using them? Why is there no male b/c pill? Why don't more men that no longer want children get a vasectomy? | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:38:16 PM | Why don't more men that no longer want children get a vasectomy?
Because that's what feminists want us to do. This vasectomy talk is just the tip of a massive conspiracy to sap men's precious bodily fluids and eventually render us impotent. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:48:31 PM |
Because that's what feminists want us to do. This vasectomy talk is just the tip of a massive conspiracy to sap men's precious bodily fluids and eventually render us impotent
 So by that rationale, us feminist should try to prevent you from having a vesectomy so us women can trick you into making us pregnant. Reverse psychology. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:51:32 PM |
So by that rationale, us feminist should try to prevent you from having a vesectomy so us women can trick you into making us pregnant. Reverse psychology.
That actually was a rather feeble attempt by me to inject some humor into this thread. I hope you didn't take that seriously. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 6:29:01 PM | Takes TWO to conceive...TWO to argue out whose rights to terminate or absolve all responsibility for that conception are going to be paramount, and if baby is born, it takes TWO to sign the paper for adoption.
Ah, Daisypetals... your Logic Unit is still all messed up despite the new handle...
... no man has advocated for men having any influence over a woman's choice as to what she does with her body. No man has said that equal rights has anything to do with a man being able to force a woman, legally or physically, to have an abortion or to give a child up for adoption....
... you and some of the other little ladies here read into what was written what you will, even the feminist version of history....erm... sorry, the true HERstory...which is true, of course, because some broad wrote a textbook...
... and, we all know the truth of the ol' saying, "The one who wins the war writes the hist...er... herstory...."
As I pointed out in a post many pages ago, women just refuse to acknowledge a whole host of things which leads to the inequality of rights when it comes to reproduction. And believe me, I understand WHY women don't want to give up their rights...
... which always reminds me of George Orwell's book "Animal Farm" when the pigs change the slogan, " All animals are equal, " to, " All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
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njbris
| | Joined: 10/17/2009
Msg: 635 | |
| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 7:05:35 PM | ^^^very well said
It's suppose to be a 2 way street when it comes to equality. But many dig their heads in the sand (including gynocentric men) and say things like "life is unfair deal with it" while condemning how hard women had it in the past when they were unequal.
Many may think men who think alike as me are misogynist or whatever but its basically being realistic. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2009 7:53:42 PM | Men, your license and rights have been revoked due to your lack of responsibility in past years, however there is a chance for you to regain your rights should you choose to learn how to be responsible.
Sex is not a "RIGHT", it is a "PRIVILEGE" and with privileges comes responsibilites as is the case with everything in life. If people have stronger than normal sexual urges, satisfy your own self, you don't need the opposite sex to do it for you. For those that engage in recreational sex........if your gonna play adult games, your gonna pay adult prices. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:15:54 PM |
Men aren't playing the victim, all they are doing is trying to point out that if we BOTH make a choice to have sex, BOTH take the risk, we BOTH should have say in the decision of the outcome of the pregnancy.
BOTH do not get pregnant and breastfeed and bond and have the chemical and emotional and natures instinct to protect life. What men feel is a fraction of what women go through.
There's NO COMPARISON here.
Yes, they have the easiest situation of the three (mother, baby and father) and they STILL play the victim. Spoiled brats. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:20:10 PM |
However, they have the choice to not have responsibility by having an abortion.
And making the choice to end what is essentially another human being's life is NOT a heavy responsibility?
This is the problem. Mens callous denial of this lifelong responsibility.
To tear your own child from your body is basically to make the choice to take your child off life support. You think that doesn't have a lifelong burden of any kind?
You know it does but it's not YOU who has to do it so you choose to ignore it to make a fallacious point.
As for equality in bearing children that's absurd unless men suddenly sprout wombs and breasts. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2009 8:23:03 PM | | ^^^Exactly - there are basic biological differences and women are no longer considered chattel - we get to make decisions regarding our own bodies. Wouldn't it be easier to slip a condom on than to debate this ad naseum? | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:24:31 PM |
Women having choices while men having none = discrimination
Men having sex with no pregnancy while women get preganant is ...........................................................................DISCRIMINATION.
See how ridiculous that sounds?
It's mother nature you are mad at and you are wasting your breath. She already let you off easy so quit yer whining before she gives you a spankin. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:25:27 PM |
BOTH do not get pregnant and breastfeed and bond and have the chemical and emotional and natures instinct to protect life. What men feel is a fraction of what women go through.
There's NO COMPARISON here.
I agree.
And that's why females should have lower priority when it comes to police / firefighter assistance. Since the vast majority of police officers and firefighters are men, women only bear a fraction of the burden for these services.
There's simply no comparison. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:27:13 PM | Yes, they have the easiest situation of the three (mother, baby and father) and they STILL play the victim. Spoiled brats.
Yes, yes, which is why women, the poor ickle grrrrls, choose to squirt out numerous brats despite knowing all the horrors of childbirth from the time they are 6 years old....
... and STILL yearn for that horrible experience... again, again, and yet again...
... whether or not the man they're banging at the time wants to be the birth partner or not.
Yup, being a guy I just cannot understand why anyone would want to go through such a horrible experience, even look forward to such a gaawwwwd-awful thing once, let alone several times in my life....
... which is really why I consider the whole, "You're a guy and you can't understand the horrors I have to go through as a woman giving birth," a silly specious argument that is thrown out in a lame attempt to derail discussion about equal reproductive rights.
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Posted: 11/16/2009 8:27:48 PM | ews flash, women have these choices to and yet, they still get CHOICES during pregnancy that men don't. Meaning, women have the same choices that men do (before pregnancy) PLUS other choices that men don't (during pregnancy).
So tell me, what is your argument?
Babies use us to grow inside US for nine months - not you.
You don't deserve all the choices we have because you can't earn the right. You don't get pregnant. Just be grateful and stop asking for more when you clearly already have the much easier route. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:29:14 PM |
... which is really why I consider the whole, "You're a guy and you can't understand the horrors I have to go through as a woman giving birth," a silly specious arguement that is thrown out in a lame attempt to derail discussion about equal reproductive rights.
Men have the right to prevent any pregnancies they don't want, and the responsibility to accept the outcome of any condom failure. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:47:34 PM | To tear your own child from your body is basically to make the choice to take your child off life support. You think that doesn't have a lifelong burden of any kind?
Define "child." Explain to me how you consider a zygote to be a child. It's a clump of cells. How can you develop an emotional attachment to that? The union of a sperm and ovum does not create a human being. It creates a potential human being. I don't even think the embryo begins developing human characteristics until two months after conception. Before that, you can't really say it's a child. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2009 8:48:16 PM | No.
Here's the truth.
Accidents do happen.
THEY have to be careful if they do not want to become single mothers.
Convenient the part that you left out! You have supported my argument; the onus is on the party who is more adamant about not wanting to deal with the consequences of unwanted pregnancy.
There will never be equality in the degree, or point, of choice, so long as there is not equality in the ability to bear children. This has nothing to do with stupid. To assume that any women with whom you lay will follow your beliefs & desire once you have impregnated her is foolish. To brand anyone who doesn't agree with you as illogical is pompous & immature.
Those lacking a higher degree of brain function are merely unfortunate; those choosing arrogance & foolish adherence to inane ramblings while judging all who don't defer are unworthy. Take your pick.  | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:59:20 PM | So what exactly do men have responsibility for regarding sex then? Showing up? Who is it that is supposed to take responsibility and why in the world would you give your power to decide you don't want to children to someone else before there is a pregnancy?
Is this just because you don't like to wear a condom? | |
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njbris
| | Joined: 10/17/2009
Msg: 649 | |
| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 9:09:36 PM | forumologist
The logic that you refuse to understand is that, the man doesn't want a kid. It's the exact same stance as a woman not wanting a kid. The reality is that the woman not wanting a kid is equally at fault. But the tricky part is that the woman wanting the kid and the man not wanting the kid and vice virsa.
But the debate here is that once pregnancy is in process, why does the woman have a choice and not the man?
Why should the woman have a choice but not the man? Where is the equality?
What's your debate? | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/16/2009 9:15:54 PM | "According to the UN, 500,000 women die worldwide every year from childbirth, approximately 50,000 per year in the U.S. from all causes and complications of childbirth. According to the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League, between 5000 and 10,000 women in the U.S. died annually from illegal abortions prior to 1973 . After abortion became legal and safe, that death rate fell to dozens a year. The U.S. government stopped collecting data related to abortion deaths in 1987. "
Before it was legalized, they used coat hangers to do abortions. No wonder so many women died. Now it's almost as safe and painless a procedure as getting a wisdom tooth pulled.
So 50,000 women die each year from childbirth? Well, that means it's much better for a woman's health to get an abortion than to give birth.
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