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If men feel like they have no control over the situation, perhaps its time that they do take control over it, its is YOUR body. No one is forcing you to have sex without a condom or even have sex at all. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 1:49:01 PM | Hey, next time i make you pay for my decision to have a penis i'll let you know.
As for comparing abortion to permanent sterilization, that just seems off base to me. What is the rate of sterilazation of women that undergo abortions? I honestly dion't know. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 1:49:36 PM |
How about we take 10 test subjects from here that are male and remove an organ from them that we feel they don't really need?
For some of them, the organ between their ears doesn't seem to be needed at all.
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Posted: 11/17/2009 1:57:38 PM |
For some of them, the organ between their ears doesn't seem to be needed at all.
But how can we be sure some of them even possess that particular organ?
Seriously, I can understand to a certain extent where some of the gentlemen here are comng from...but then there are some who are being WAAY over simplistic.
Still wish I had some of those lamb castration bands....
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Posted: 11/17/2009 2:08:13 PM |
As for comparing abortion to permanent sterilization, that just seems off base to me. What is the rate of sterilazation of women that undergo abortions? I honestly dion't know.
It's a fair question, I think. I tried to find some stats, quickly, but there's quite a lot of bias one way or another and one wants to at least try to find some objectivity.
I think this link is reasonable, seems to be a summary or outline of a publication which I can't access, but at least, it didn't seem to pushing one side or the other in the quick glance I gave it: http://www.deveber.org/text/whealth.html#one
It says (in part):
Chapter 4: Impact on Subsequent Pregnancies
Subsequent pregnancies are negatively affected by induced abortion.
The main complications are: cervical incompetence leading to future miscarriages; uterine perforations and placenta previa with serious implications to the health of the woman and her child(ren) in later pregnancies; and ectopic pregnancies which, if undiagnosed and not treated, can lead to a woman's death.
Forty-nine studies of preterm or premature births from Europe and North America found increased risks ranging from 30 per cent to 510 per cent.
The consequence of this significantly increased risk of prematurity after abortion is that the rate of cerebral palsy among premature infants weighing less than 1500 grams at birth is 38 times greater than among the general population. Induced abortion, in other words, is directly responsible for many thousands of cases of cerebral palsy - in North America alone - that otherwise would not have occurred.
Despite the data which point to the link between induced abortion and future serious health risks, many North-American research studies fail to point these out.
Numerical data should be carefully compared to research abstracts and conclusions because they often do not correlate; in other words, where data clearly indicate increased health risks, they are often minimized in the abstracts and conclusions of medical articles.
In light of the growing knowledge of the impact of abortion on the rate of prematurity, abortion providers soon incur greatly increased liability for obtaining informed consent for women contemplating abortion.
Chapter 4 contains 34 endnotes including:
Luke, B. Every Pregnant Woman's Guide to Preventing Premature Birth.1995 [foreword by Emile Papiernik], New York: Times Books; p.32.
Chapter 5: Future Fertility
No previous births and an earlier abortion put a woman at significant risk of post-abortion complications leading to possible infertility.
Coding systems at hospitals often make it difficult to link abortion with medical sequelae.
Much larger numbers of women than previously suspected are negatively affected by induced abortion with PID and ectopic pregnancies at much higher levels than ever before in North America and Europe.
Other serious sequelae also on the rise are uterine perforations, endometriosis, Chlamydia trachomatis, endometrial ossification (bone fragments left in the uterus), all of which compromise future fertility.
Many of these medical problems go undetected at the time of abortion and are only discovered years later when women are treated for infertility.
Chapter 5 contains 50 endnotes including:
Ruiz-Velasco V, Gonzalez Alfani G, Pliego Sanchez L, Alamillo Vera M. Endometrial pathology and infertility. Fertility and Sterility 1997 April;67(4):687-92 p. 692. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 2:09:58 PM |
Hey, next time i make you pay for my decision to have a penis i'll let you know.
They're removing the whole thing now? Must be new. The old fashioned way was to keep the penis and just prevent sperm production. Huh. I'm really out of the information loop. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 2:45:15 PM | Let's face it, some men will always find something to whine about and scream out that they are the victim. If they are not in complete "POWER AND CONTROL" of a woman's body......
Men aren't under the delusion that they are entitled to be in complete""POWER AND CONTROL" of a woman's body.
That's a complete strawman.
How obtuse can one be?
Name me one man who has said that he WANTS control over anything other than HIS own rights to CHOOSE to not want an UNINTENTED pregnancy from becoming a lifelong obligation.
JUST like the WOMAN has.
Equal rights of REFUSAL. That's all we're talking about.
......they simply will NEVER be happy or contented.
Give then equal rights of refusal.
Give them their rights to free will.
YOU will never be happy if you lose YOUR ability to impose your will over men.
You want the upper hand.
The OP was right.
Women want to be judge, jury, and executioner.
They do want an absolute power over men.
I avoid men like that at all costs.
I doubt men like that, aren't doing the exact same with you.
The old fashioned way was to keep the penis and just prevent sperm production.
The old fashioned way for a woman to not get pregnant was to abstain from sex.
The fallacy that keeps getting perpetuated is that the woman has made it clear to the man what her intentions are should she become accidentally fertilized.
The fallacy is that the "sex" being had, was ever intended to be for reasons other than recreation.
You want to "change your mind" after the fact? Fine. You have the right to do so.
That does not include the right to make up someone else's mind.
There's the inequality.
Seriously, I can understand to a certain extent where some of the gentlemen here are comng from...but then there are some who are being WAAY over simplistic.
Too many women are going off on tangents, and trying to escape the human rights issue here, to suit their biased agenda.
Still wish I had some of those lamb castration bands....
Are you suggesting males deserve to have their genitals and reproductive systems mutilated because they want equal rights?
If that's not completely misandrist, and hatred, I don't know what is.
That's stooping to an all new low.
Congratulations. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:06:23 PM |
Just because you have a hard choice, you would deny men ANY choice?
I also see that women are in a place where they have "no choice" once they are pregnant. They can't not have an abortion AND not be pregnant AND not have to pay financially. To you, it looks like a whole lot of choices - including the one choice that imposes responsibilty on you. To me, it looks like I'm forced to make a choice of three difficult options, one of which obligates someone else to assist in the raising of a child.
I doubt we'll ever really be able to agree. It's 'unfair 'that a man has to pay for a child he doesn't want, just as it's 'unfair' that the woman has be pregnant with a child she doesn't want. The difference is that men can pass the buck onto the woman and they often do so. But the woman can't pass the buck anywhere - mother nature isn't accepting it. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/17/2009 3:18:16 PM | This thread is an example
The moral of the story is that equality is only important to many women when they are on the receiving end of inequality
Other than that, if women have the upper hand, men are supposed to shut the hell up | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:20:42 PM | The moral of the story is that equality is only important to many women when they are on the receiving end of inequality
Other than that, if women have the upper hand, men are supposed to shut the hell up
What's even more amusing, is that the women here don't have a clue that many men were taught how unequal things were, by our mothers...
To me, it looks like I'm forced to make a choice of three difficult options
Complete bvll.
You are not forced into ANYTHING.
You can have your baby. Just don't force a man to be obligated to something that wasn't his choice.
You have free will, and numerous options.
Don't take away someone else's in order to have yours. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:20:54 PM | the issue is stop blaming women for your CHOICE to have sex.
I know that the only thing that will prevent pregnancy is not having sex. I KNOW that if I chose to have sex, I might get pregnant. Even if that chance of getting pregnant is 1% I know it might happen. As a result I know that I must take responsiblity for that gamble. Men also are taking that gamble. By taking that gamble you know you might get a girl pregnant, if thats not a gamble you are willing to take, then YOU need to address the issue. I am on birth control, but I STILL make the guy wear a condom because I figure two forms of protection are better then one. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:30:23 PM | the issue is stop blaming women for your CHOICE to have sex.
The issue is stop blaming men, and start giving better blowjobs.
See how stupid it is to change the real issue by building a strawman?
It proves that common sense, is not only, not so common, but virtually extinct.... | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:35:41 PM | | How am I changing the issues? I understand that there are men who get "tricked" by girls who say they are on birth control etc. granted I am not a male, but it would seem to me, if I know there is a chance that a girl might trick me, I would do everything in my power to make sure that a pregnancy did not occur. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:38:50 PM | | But legal e-gal, that would be a rational way to approach the issue and that just won't stand in this thread. You must be incensed that a man has ever been tricked and assume that all women are evil-doers that are determined to trap a man into fatherhood even if he doesn't want it. Or, conversely, have an abortion against the very strong wishes of the father. Either way, logic just doesn't cut it. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:48:02 PM | I understand that there are men who get "tricked" by girls who say they are on birth control etc.
What you don't understand is that a woman can tell a man whatever he wants to hear so that he won't choose to "take the chance" with another.
She can mislead him into thinking that they are agreed to terminate any unwanted pregnancies.
She can be a fraud.
And the law predetermines that a man is consenting, by having sex, that he is agreeable to being a legal parent, despite any verbal agreement and understanding between him and the woman.
She can be a fraud, and the law will not defend the man.
Unequal.
If you don't explain this to your son (should you have one) you might be the one who ends up with expense to you.
Either way, logic just doesn't cut it.
Only someone without the ability to see logic, or when it does not work in their favour, discounts it. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 3:56:03 PM | There is always a chance someone is a liar. I had a guy tell me he couldn't have children (low sperm count)... guess what... I still made him wear a condom!
Someone could be lying about birth control.
Someone could be lying about having an STD.
Take responsibility for YOURSELF. Try changing the laws if you feel they are unjust. In the mean time, you know what the laws are, you know there is no way to make this completly fair, so do your part to control your sperm. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:09:14 PM |
Men aren't under the delusion that they are entitled to be in complete""POWER AND CONTROL" of a woman's body.
Men have been under that dilusion for thousands and thousands of years now........not only have they demonstrated in the past that they want power and control of a woman's body and her choices/decisions, they've wanted to control her right to work, her right to equal pay, her right to child support, her right to not have sex forced upon her while dating or in a marriage, her right to own land, her right to vote, her right to birth control, her right to not be physically abused in a marriage, her right to be valued(dollar value) for the contributions she makes in a relationship, etc., etc., etc.,
Verityone.....it is you who is dilussional and very much lacking in comprehension.
I suppose if you had a daughter who was a single-parent and constantly running to you for money........you most likely would tell her to give it up for adoption or she whould have had an abortion and that she shouldn't expect any help from the father, because it's HER body, therefore HER problem.
Why should any woman risk abortion...............just so your sorry azz is saved from paying child support? This thread has NOTHING to do with whether a man wants to be a father or not, it's whether or not a man wants to pay child support. Because even after pregnancy, a man still has the choice to NOT be a participating parent/father. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 4:24:04 PM | Men aren't under the delusion that they are entitled to be in complete""POWER AND CONTROL" of a woman's body.
Men have been under that dilusion for thousands and thousands of years now........not only have they demonstrated in the past that they want power and control of a woman's body and her choices/decisions, they've wanted to control her right to work, her right to equal pay, her right to child support, her right to not have sex forced upon her while dating or in a marriage, her right to own land, her right to vote, her right to birth control, her right to not be physically abused in a marriage, her right to be valued(dollar value) for the contributions she makes in a relationship, etc., etc., etc.,
Once again, your ignorance is revealed.
No man here considers women to be chattel, like the antiquated strawman you are attempting to build.
Verityone.....it is you who is dilussional and very much lacking in comprehension.
Only in your childish fantasies, and strawmen, is that true.
You haven't been able to prove it once.
Keep drinking....errrr...I mean, dreaming....
This thread has NOTHING to do with whether a man wants to be a father or not, it's whether or not a man wants to pay child support.
Exactly. This thread is yet another instance when a woman feels entitled to be provided for.
It's always about money with these women.
Someone else's money. And how she can get rights to it.
I agree.
My mother warned me about these women. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 4:38:54 PM | Why should any woman risk abortion...............just so your sorry azz is saved from paying child support? This thread has NOTHING to do with whether a man wants to be a father or not, it's whether or not a man wants to pay child support.
This is an article from a thread that ran in current events. Seems like when a woman can't or doesn't feel like affording a child is part of a woman's mindset too.
Why should any woman risk abortion...............WOW, you guys have got to get off of this ooooohhhhh risky thing called abortion, they stopped recording deaths a long time ago and when you extrpolate the numbers used in the earlier post they still do not hit the chart for eve being considered a risk. It's like saying you could get lung cancer from thinking about cigarettes
DAVID CRARY and MELANIE S. WELTE | The Associated Press
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The pregnant woman showed up at the medical center in flip-flops and in tears, after walking there to save bus fare.
Her boyfriend had lost his job, she told her doctor in Oakland, Calif., and now ? fearing harder times for her family ? she wanted to abort what would have been her fourth child.
“This was a desired pregnancy ? she’d been getting prenatal care ? but they re-evaluated expenses and decided not to continue,” said Dr. Pratima Gupta. “When I was doing the options counseling, she interrupted me halfway through, crying, and said, ?Dr. Gupta, I just walked here for an hour. I’m sure of my decision.“’
Other doctors are hearing similarly wrenching tales. For many Americans, the recession is affecting their most intimate decisions about sex and family planning. Doctors and clinics are reporting that many women are choosing abortions and men are having vasectomies because they cannot afford a child.
Planned Parenthood of Illinois clinics performed an all-time high number of abortions in January, many of them motivated by the women’s economic worries, said CEO Steve Trombley, who declined to give exact numbers. Abortions at Planned Parenthood’s St. Louis-area clinics were up nearly 7 percent in the second half of 2008 from a year earlier ? ending a stretch in which the numbers were dwindling.
Planned Parenthood said it has no up-to-date national abortion figures, nor do other private or government agencies. However, Stephanie Poggi of the National Network of Abortion Funds, which helps women in need pay for abortions, said calls to the network’s national helpline have nearly quadrupled from a year ago.
“A lot of women who never thought they’d need help are turning to us,” Poggi said. “They’re telling us, ’I’ve already put off paying my rent, my electric bill. I’m cutting back on my food.’ They’ve run through all the options.”
Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation, said her organization’s helpline is receiving many calls from women who postponed an abortion while trying to raise money to pay for it. Such delays often mean riskier abortions at even higher cost ? the price can double in the second trimester.
Among the women recently obtaining financial aid was Lalita Peterson, 23, of Painesville, Ohio, who in a thank-you note described the partial subsidy of her abortion at Cleveland’s Preterm clinic as “probably the only relief I’ve felt during this very lonely time.”
Peterson, who is studying cosmetology and has a 3-year-old daughter, learned in February that she had become pregnant despite using contraception.
“I thought, ’I totally cannot afford another child,“’ she said in a telephone interview. “I knew immediately what I had to do.”
Peterson said she is a single mother, unable to collect child support from her daughter’s absent father and struggling to get by with the help of food stamps. Her financial situation, she said, “is tighter than tight.”
Sometimes, the decision goes the other way.
Brooke Holycross, 25, of Port Orange, Fla., was offered financial assistance for an abortion and went to the clinic this month, but changed her mind after seeing a sonogram of the 15-week-old fetus. Holycross already has three daughters, and her common-law husband was laid off.
“We’re in a spot where we’re scared,” she said. “Babies are expensive. ... I’m just praying to God I did the right thing.”
In Pittsburgh, newlyweds Mindi and Marc Feldstein are nowhere near that level of desperation ? she is a schoolteacher and he owns a cheesesteak restaurant. They hope to have a child soon, but Mindi said recession-related worries have convinced her that she will need to keep working and abandon her long-held dream of stay-at-home motherhood.
If they were younger, they might have delayed having kids to wait out the recession, she said. “But I’m 36, Marc is 39,” she said. “At this point we want a family more than we fear what the economy is doing.”
Dr. J. Stephen Jones, a urologist at the Cleveland Clinic, said he has seen a surge of men seeking vasectomies, with his monthly caseload rising from about 45 to more than 70 since November. He said most of the men were married, had kids, decided they couldn’t afford more and opted to get a vasectomy while they still had job-related health insurance.
“Several articulated very forcefully that the economy was the motive,” Jones said. “I have a long discussion with them and ask if there’s any chance they still might want kids. They say they know it’s time.”
Similarly, Jenifer Vick of Planned Parenthood of East Central Iowa said there has been a sharp rise in the number of women who need help paying for birth control because they or their husbands have lost their jobs and their health insurance.
“What they’re experiencing is, ’Oh, my gosh, how am I going to pay now that full price for my birth control pills?“’ Vick said.
Dr. Anne Davis of New York City, medical director of Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health, said one of her married patients recently became pregnant with what would have been her third child.
Because the husband was self-employed, the couple could afford only a low-cost family health policy without maternity benefits, Davis said. They estimated the birth would cost at least $30,000 and reluctantly opted for abortion.
“They said that if it had been five years ago, they could have made it, but right now they’re barely hanging on,” Davis said. “It was a very calculated decision to say ?We can’t do this.“’
Paula Gianino, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of the St. Louis Region, said the recession clearly was a factor behind the rising abortion numbers late last year at the six clinics she oversees.
“Unfortunately we see women who are making decisions about terminating a pregnancy because of the severe economic crisis they’re facing,” she said. “They simply don’t believe they can afford to bring another child into the world.”
Some experts believe such concerns over the recession may have an affect on the overall U.S. birth rate, possibly reversing the trends that resulted in last week’s government report that a record number of babies were born in the U.S. in 2007.
If there is an upside to the current sobering trends, say family-planning advocates, it may be that federal and state policymakers will boost public funding of contraception.
“We’re seeing a receptivity among our legislators to hear about prevention policies,” said Lori Lamerand, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Mid and South Michigan. “Folks who wouldn’t have opened the doors to a Planned Parenthood representative are now willing to talk to us.”
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http://lacrossetribune.com/articles/2009/03/25/news/07famplan.txt | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:39:32 PM |
This thread is yet another instance when a woman feels entitled to be provided for.
Strawman. The issue is CHILD SUPPORT for the CHILD that wasn't aborted, as would be the man's preference. Support for the woman has nothing to do with the topic.
Bringing in a similar but different and weaker statement to argue against is a classic strawman tactic. Thought you knew that? | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:43:56 PM | then don't f*ck fertile women.
It ain't rocket science.
Why don't they just swallow instead of letting them to bust inside their vaginas?
It ain't rocket science.
I like option 1 better ~ that way you can have both  Win, win
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Posted: 11/17/2009 4:47:50 PM | | Well pro filer at least we aren't trying scare people with bogus facts about the horrors of an abortion. Read the article i posted and it seems the amount of women who are willing to risk it has tripled. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 4:57:58 PM | | I heard about women who trick guys into having sex with them, get pregnant, then file a lawsuit in court to get child support from the guy. Then the women use the money to use jewerly, tv, dvd, clothes, etc. The guy has to pay for it the woman's lifestyle the rest of his wife even if you gets another man or gets a husband. So she gets two or more men to pay for kid, bills and everything. Men do get the shaft most the time. I am never having kids. | |
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