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But at least you'd be paying your own way and there'd be no room to argue who bears more/less/equal responsibility. Cripes, it may come to that in years to come with the rate infertility problems for both sexes is increasing. It certainly is amazing to think there are people who want kids and can't have them and try every means available to have them...and then you have the opposite end of the spectrum where people don't want them but do the bare minimum required to not have them and wind up with them. Too bad primal urges cause temporary dumbasadoorknobbedness and too bad there's the idiot factor even when the primal urges aren't running rampant. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 12:32:25 PM | I'm confused as to what verity is actually arguing about.
Most of the men seem to clearly grasp it, and a few of the women.
I don't think the problem lies in how I communicate.
We all concede that pregnancy can occur when people have sex.
What WE are saying, and what SOME women choose to ignore, is that Pregnancy DOES NOT EQUAL childbirth.
Women have an ability to absolve parental ability AFTER pregnancy, while men have no such ability, and the unilateral decision of the woman can impose her decision on the man.
This inequity is what myself, verity and others are against.
See? He gets it, very clearly. And a few others.
Most notably, a FEW women.
So, verity, do you use birth control ie condoms or are you saying that is a woman's responsibility and if the birth control fails, the resulting pregnancy has nothing to do with you?
This debate isn't about me.
I don't get how myopic some people are.
It's about an inequality that still remains in the "status quo", from generations ago, when recreational sex had high ratios of accidental pregnancies from lack of prevention, that do not exist today, which rendered women HOSTAGE to an unwanted pregnancy.
The "solution" then, is antequated now, as pregnancies are avoidable.
Unwanted pregnancies now, are not UNAVOIDABLE for the female. A unwanted pregnancy ( unwanted by the man) today is conscious decision by the woman.
Yet, the "sentence" to a man is emplying a solution that was designed to protect a woman in the event she was UNABLE to rid herself of an unwanted pregnancy.
The "solution" being used today for men, to a single parent child, was designed for another scenario.
"One size fits all" approaches are ludicrous. No?
She we also ostracize women, and disparage them like those days as well?
Who is blinded by delusion or zealotry? I know for a fact that I'm neither. And in the end, that's all that matters.
Same here.
So for what purpose did you cast the judgment and aspersion on others?
No. There is no false premise. Pregnancy is ALWAYS a CLEAR and DISTINCT possibility when two people have sex, regardless if contraception is used or not and assuming the two people are fertile. That is a FACT.
Is there an echo in here?
That's been repeated 100 times, and everybody knows that.
It's becoming a DRONE.
It doesn't change anything in the debate on the INEQUAL ability for a woman to OPT OUT, and not have the same option for the man, except in the minds of the ones who are not looking objectively.
Women are engaging in the exact same (known risk) recreational sex, but are held to a lesser standard of responsibility to an accidental pregnancy.
Bottom line.
The title of this thread is "Are women playing God when they become pregnant".
Don't want to assist a woman in "playing GOD"? Keep your penis out of her vagina.
Avoid the inherent risk of fatherhood, subjugation, abuse and being controlled by a woman's vagina.
The question has become, why are you upholding an unjust status quo that allows her to subjugate men, instead of agreeing that she should not be LEGALLY allowed to?
I'm not asking you to change it, but why are you reluctant to admit that it's unjust?
That's the REAL issue...
It is just so friggin easy, Men keep you pecker in your pants. Now why is that so hard to do ???
Cause women luv to fvck, for pure pleasure, every bit as much as men do. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 12:35:35 PM |
Again, my heart DOES go out to men who've had the misfortune to have a sexual relationship or encounter with a woman looking to hatch out a meal ticket. But I don't see how we can punish them without also punishing children born of honest bad timing or contraception failure. And I would not care to have the laws changed so that unborn children can be murdered, or allowed to die from inadequate care due to he mother's financial limitations.
What law would be changed? Women right NOW can abort unborn children due to financial limitations.
All that is being asked, is that women who make the decision unilaterally don't get to force her financial or parental choice on the other. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 12:44:07 PM | Verity: I hardly think I have comprehension problems, so it must be in your delivery. If people don't understand your point, the onus is on you to clarify rather than blame them for their lack of comprehension.
You certainly have argued that men have no responsibility for their part in procreation, which is unusual. Even small children understand how babies are made.
As far as men not being forced into being financially responsible for children they don't want - again, the onus is on them to prevent unwanted pregnancies. It's too late to cry "unfair" once a child is born. If a woman chooses NOT to have an abortion, well - it's her body, not yours. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 12:56:46 PM | You certainly have argued that men have no responsibility for their part in procreation, which is unusual.
Do you really believe that I'm ignorant in understanding the biology?
Even small children understand how babies are made.
And I understood the biology.
As far as the burden of "responsibility" portion....
I was taught HOW to think, not WHAT to think.
Do you see the total selfishness and control issues that some of you men have?
Control over myself. Absolutely.
What possible control issues are there to exercising my free will to choose whom I'm with, and choose who I'm not with, that you have a problem with?
Control is forcing someone into something that they do not want. If I leave because I want something else, how am I controlling anyone but myself?
You men have taught our baby girls to be promiscuous and that it is OK to be that way by hammering their moms with your propaganda of "NO sex...no man is going to want you...or a man is going to leave you...
Ya, I saw that in a "Girls Gone Wild" infomercial about spring break in Florida...
They've been corrupted by the power of the talking penis!
And are all those girls understanding and consenting to SEX=BABIES.
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:10:35 PM |
Then comes the name-calling..."golden coochie...game player, frigid, man subjugator, co*cktease, and many more out there. If the names don't work...call her old-fashioned and try the old manipulation cards of "I will get it elsewhere...".."You don't care enough about us..." "Men need sex to give love..."...
Once again, it's the wicked male with his insatiable sex drive who badgers the chaste female into sex. She never wants it. It's always him. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:16:38 PM | In the not too distant past..WOMEN bore the shame of an un-wanted pregnancy.
1. scarlet letters
2. ostrasized
3. stoned
And the men? anyone, anyone?
In all of history women were blamed for "tricking" men into getting them pregnant.
So, now some women started "controlling" their bodies..
illegal abortions
legal abortions
BC options
and finally, having some men held accountable as well.
..are women playing God..
who cares..
are men shamed in public? forced to decide financially to have/abort?
stone?
ostrasized?
^^^Belle^^^you are spot on and thanks for your point of view. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:22:22 PM |
Then comes the name-calling..."golden coochie...game player, frigid, man subjugator, co*cktease, and many more out there. If the names don't work...call her old-fashioned and try the old manipulation cards of "I will get it elsewhere...".."You don't care enough about us..." "Men need sex to give love..."...
If women base their decision on whether or not to have sex on being afraid "some" men are going to call them an unpleasant name or leave them if they do or don't have sex against their better judgement, it's no wonder those very same type of women wind up pregnant and wonder how it happened.  If you don't have a mind of your own, you're a sheeple. Too much worrying about their sensibilities instead of sense itself. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:34:15 PM |
In the not too distant past..WOMEN bore the shame of an un-wanted pregnancy.
1. scarlet letters
2. ostrasized
3. stoned
And the men? anyone, anyone?
Women certainly did bare the shame of unwanted pregnancy. So, they died having backyard abortions or they gave their child to the state to be cared for - which sometimes led to that child either being raped or beaten or humiliated or treated as free labor - or they worked three jobs to try and support their family.
To say women have all the power and men have not - well, it is up to a man to use contraception if he is adamant he doesn't want children - end of story. To then blame a woman for having the child - too late, too bad, you should have done something to prevent it happening in the first place.
And if a baby is born and man has to pay child support - well, that's the easiest part of raising a child, don't you think? Just handing over money? What about the rest of it? | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:34:32 PM | The title of this thread is "Are women playing God when they become pregnant".
Don't want to assist a woman in "playing GOD"? Keep your penis out of her vagina.
Avoid the inherent risk of fatherhood, subjugation, abuse and being controlled by a woman's vagina.
The question has become, why are you upholding an unjust status quo that allows her to subjugate men, instead of agreeing that she should not be LEGALLY allowed to?
I'm not asking you to change it, but why are you reluctant to admit that it's unjust?
That's the REAL issue...
Oh, you would prefer that a woman can't have sex unless she is financially capable, and has a job that won't be impacted by the ramifications of pregnancy,delivery and child care should pregnancy occur, OR be willing to submit to a medical procedure that some belief systems regard as tantamount to murder?
In other words, sex becomes an elitist privilege for women who can afford it and/or have the proper beliefs(or lack of them, depending on viewpoint) to countenance the destruction of a life.
Please tell me how THIS is just? You've just said that sex is now a privilege only for women with high incomes and/or low conscience. Or a willingness to undergo sterilization.
Of course, if we consider that sex will have become a PRIVILEGE of well to do women who have a completely clinical purview of a human fetus, to all intents and purposes, the free f*ckfest anticipated by d*ckcentric men may NOT be happening. Intelligent, forwardthinking,educated, financially selfsufficient women will probably be QUITE selective as to her sexual partners, and all these losers wandering down the street with their d*cks in their hands, thinking they're headed for a consequence-free boinkfest , may find themselves sh*t outta luck.
But I don't think that we can depend on "to all intents and purposes" to be an adequate substitute for legality. To make sexual intercourse unavailable to women unless they are of a certain income level, and/or a willingness to abort a fetus or undergo sterilization, or medically infertile, is THAT just?
And remember, I'm a post menopausal childless female so I probably shouldn't GIVE a rat's ass about women who could get knocked up, but I do.
Look, I agree with you and everyone else here, that it's a damn shame when a woman uses an "accidentally on purpose" pregnancy to fulfill an agenda. But I don't see any legal, equitable and ethical way to differentiate between those and genuine "oops" accdents that cause people.
I would be greatly saddened to be a member of a society that forced women to choose abortion, adopting out a child of her body, sharply restricted women's access to sexual enjoyment, or allowed children to starve because they were born to a single mother with insufficient income.
If we ALL took responsibility for ALL our actions, we wouldn't NEED prisons, law enforcement, and courts. Do you see THAT happening anytime soon?
People screw up sometimes( pardon the pun) and sometimes people take advantage of systems in place as a safety net for GENUINE screwups. It can't be helped.
If a woman chooses NOT to have an abortion, well - it's her body, not yours.
Yes, and I do not think that there is much chance of any legislation being passed if it forces women to get abortions or surrender their babies for adoption. If it ever is, I can just about promise single men that about the only way they're gonna get laid is if they turn into floorcovering.
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:36:54 PM | You can straight out tell me that a woman doesn't know when she is going to be fertile?
A woman does not know when she is going to be fertile. I can tell you that. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:46:47 PM | Yeah chameleon.
How dare you hold women to a standard. They are tricked into pregnancy, they couldn't have avoided sex, aborted, adopted or any other of the options available to them because men prevented them.
Plenty of sympathy from belle lass, just make sure you have a vagina. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:46:54 PM | What Verity is doing is bating most of you into continuing this ridiculous dialog.
Fraught with semantics and childish retorts, this thread has become laughable.
Quite simply it boils down to 2 people copulating and ultimately having to accept any bi-product of this union.
He said - she said BS abounds.
Grow up. You have sex, you know what can happen and you act like an adult.
Oh, you are absolutely correct...but it's sorta like seeing a trainwreck fixing to happen, you don't WANT to look, but you can't NOT.
I happen to think, given the frequent occurrence of words and phrases such as "power', "(or "powerless'),"subjugation", "loss of rights/choice", etc, that
there is a much deeper unspoken issue driving certain male posters.
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They are tricked into pregnancy, they couldn't have avoided sex,
Might I remind you that the main point of this thread is, or was, women who deliberately use sex and pregnancy to snare a man, or get out of working for a living,men who feel they are TRICKED INTO FATHERHOOD and the financial ramifications thereof. Why couldn't THEY avoid sex? Why can't they go get a vasectomy? Why is on the WOMAN to have make heartwrenching decisions? Is possession of a womb instead of a penis, make her feelings and emotions of lesser value than her male sex partners' ?
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Posted: 11/19/2009 1:55:06 PM | | I have all kinds of empathy for all kinds of people, including men. Just because I am a woman who doesn't follow the "woman camp" who in one breath attempt to cry from the highest mountain how strong they are and are so capable of making life altering decisions and in the next breath so weak that they fall for a man's lines, positive or negative, it has nothing to do with denegrading women. Be strong and capable or be weak and insecure. Be one or the other, don't be either when it's convenient in order to sway an argument in your favour in a debate. In most cases, I'd say put up or shut up when it happens. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:01:38 PM | Cindy you are a riot, you can't even take things out of context correctly. You left the comma from the rest of the list in there.
Might I remind you that the main point of this thread is, or was, women who deliberately use sex and pregnancy to snare a man, or get out of working for a living,men who feel they are TRICKED INTO FATHERHOOD and the financial ramifications thereof.
No it's not, it's that if women have a way out of taking care of an unwanted child, a man should have the same ability
Why couldn't THEY avoid sex? Why can't they go get a vasectomy? Why is on the WOMAN to have make heartwrenching decisions? Is possession of a womb instead of a penis, make her feelings and emotions of lesser value than her male sex partners' ?
Not at all, i do find belle lass chastizing a woman for not having empathy hilarious considering she only has sympathy for her own gender and tells others to "deal".
Women deal with the vast majority of the issues, but we can't change biology. While you deal with most of the difficult decisions you still HAVE decisions. We won't force you to give a kid up for adoption, or abort, or make you carry our child.
But if YOU can decide not to be a mother after you get pregnant, WE should be able to decide not to be a father after you get pregnant, financially or otherwise. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:19:38 PM | MEN, with or without money, power, stature, name, entitlement..whatever it's called...
have played GOD for a very long time, over women..
So, now that women have rights over their own bodies now ..BC, voting, education, pay, and yes, court ordered support..
NOW there's a question of "are WOMEN playing GOD " Why?
Because some women choose to not have an abortion? that seem to be the general angst in this thread..that men shouldn't have to pay if the women doesn't want to abort, right??
I'm amazed at the antics of some..have we not all seen women around us struggle with the pittance of court ordered support..I've yet to see ANY women gain financial security in life thru said support..it's a joke to live on..so what is the gain again? oh yeah, to play GOD and trap men.. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:34:24 PM | We won't force you to give a kid up for adoption, or abort, or make you carry our child.
YOU mightn't, but there are plenty of men who have forced women into having abortions, giving up children for adoption or carrying them to full-term.
I'm amazed at the antics of some..have we not all seen women around us struggle with the pittance of court ordered support..I've yet to see ANY women gain financial security in life thru said support..it's a joke to live on..so what is the gain again? oh yeah, to play GOD and trap men
And to give some of them another "reason" to hate us. God has nothing to do with procreation. As it has been pointed out by both sides in this debate - it takes two people to make a baby. Don't want children, men? Then take control your fertility. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:53:09 PM |
There are men who simply hate paying child support because they think it will go to the B*itch.
Why do they hate it so much??
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SLEEPING/HAVING SEX WITH HER ANYMORE.
BINGO ... and sadly for some (not all and not even most) men the love they had or could have had with the child was attached to the woman and not to their child. See it every day, men meet a new woman and voila, that child has become a forgotten.
We are not talking about just unborn, or young children here either. I have seen so many men even turn from their older children to hide their new life, to avoid paying support in order to get that boat, car, house or what ever he and the new little woman wants .... till she is knocked up. Oh my gawdddddd just look at how many old men on here have young kids. Second, third marriages .... more kids ..... hahahahaha. You men should learn what we women have learned long ago .... GET FIXED !!!!! hahahaha such a joke.
Here is the best joke the old cootes who want to boiink those YOUNG still FERTILE women when they are pushing the 50 plus mark !!!! Good luck with that. Oppsie daisy a father again .... Sheesh when will the men learn.
Take charge of your own life. What a bunch of wossies .... how long are you men going to be whipped by that sweet cream ???
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:54:49 PM |
Might I remind you that the main point of this thread is, or was, women who deliberately use sex and pregnancy to snare a man, or get out of working for a living,men who feel they are TRICKED INTO FATHERHOOD and the financial ramifications thereof.
I just need to make a correction to this statement that women get pregnant so they can get out of working for a living.
Most stay-at-home mothers work very hard and their hours of work are not limited to the usual 8 hours that most people in the paid workforce enjoy. When my friend who is a stay-at-home mother tells me what one of her average days consist of.........it causes my head to spin and I am thankful that I am not married or have children.
Because her hourly labor rate is zero dollars, most people don't want to acknowledge that it has any value(dollar value), especially husbands/fathers. Here in Alberta, Canada a foster parent is paid $1500.00 per month to raise someone else's child. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:55:27 PM | But if YOU can decide not to be a mother after you get pregnant, WE should be able to decide not to be a father after you get pregnant, financially or otherwise
Which would be fine, except the alternatives have been found unacceptable,
1. taxpayer money, which could certainlybe just as well spent ELSEWHERE, being diverted to help support a child that didn't get on the planet by immaculate conception.
2. Just because a woman CAN afford to support a child unaided, why should she not request some financial support to give the kid an even better quality of life, from the person who fertilized the egg.
3. Allowing men to refuse to pay child support, could be seen as FORCING abortion or adoption on a woman,both of which are very very serious decisions for a woman to make. As it has been pointed bout before...if men think abortion or giving up a baby for adoption( and if you are NOT a WASP who gives birth to a healthy, normal baby, adoption is NOT a sure thing. Your child may wind up as a ward of the court for YEARS!) is so freakin' EASY...then what seems to be the holdup with men going and getting sterilized? Granted, it may NOT be reversible, but it sounds to me like these men who are so afraid of the perceived subjugation/loss of power&control fatherhood would cause, wouldn't want kids anyway.
We won't force you to give a kid up for adoption, or abort Well, that's certainly BIG of you. I hope that gesture doesn't cause you undue strain.
If you are able to refuse to pay child support, in many circumstances, you ARE to all intents and purposes, forcing her to choose abortion, adoption or going to a social service agency and being looked down on as a brainless slut if she can't or won't name the father( so the COURT can go after him for support).
It's another unfortunate fact of biology, that the only ways a man can decide absolutely not to be a father, is either sterilization or abstinence from sexual intercourse with women of childbearing age. You DO have that decision making window of opportunity. Pre-intercourse. Yes, the woman does have a second window of opportunity that doesn't exist for the male. Would you feel better if that 2nd window were taken away from her? You already said "you" wouldn't force a decision on her. Well, what if it was a matter of legislation? The right to abortion is NOT a cast-in-stone-forever guarantee. If Roe vs.Wade gets overturned, and a bunch of unwanted babies start getting dumped on the foster care/adoption system, don't you think the state won't take steps to get money from SOMEBODY to help defray the cost. And if they demand that BOTH parents contribute, that would be fine with me. Certainly THINKING people will adjust their sexual behavior if abortion again becomes illegal, but it is certainly not going to be an unbreachable barrier to the birth of babies to single mothers.
So yeah, this much I'll give you. Women, under the current laws, do have a second "after the fact"opportunity to make parenhood decisions. But there just is not a good way to provide that same opportunity to men, without creating an argument that abortion or adoption are being coerced.
Might I remind you that the main point of this thread is, or was, women who deliberately use sex and pregnancy to snare a man, or get out of working for a living,men who feel they are TRICKED INTO FATHERHOOD and the financial ramifications thereof.
I just need to make a correction to this statement that women get pregnant so they can get out of working for a living.
Most stay-at-home mothers work very hard and their hours of work are not limited to the usual 8 hours that most people in the paid workforce enjoy.
I should have clarified that I was speaking of a common male perception that motherhood is chosen as a way of preventing having to enter the WORKFORCE. Even with child support, most women do have to also work outside the home IF they want a decent quality of life for their child(ren) and themselves. Many social service programs will require a woman to seek employment once her child(ren) are in school.
Many also now are capping the amount of aid that can be paid out, to prevent babies being used as cash cows.
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:58:45 PM | Oh, you would prefer that a woman can't have sex unless she is financially capable, and has a job that won't be impacted by the ramifications of pregnancy,delivery and child care should pregnancy occur, OR be willing to submit to a medical procedure that some belief systems regard as tantamount to murder?
Sure why not some women like playing god and there is a whole thread about how mant women claim to be independant.
In other words, sex becomes an elitist privilege for women who can afford it and/or have the proper beliefs(or lack of them, depending on viewpoint) to countenance the destruction of a life.
Please tell me how THIS is just? You've just said that sex is now a privilege only for women with high incomes and/or low conscience. Or a willingness to undergo sterilization.
Yes as civilized as we would like to be, our current economy can't afford any more unwanted kids. The industry that has been created is comparable to the private prison boom. The states are loving all the federal dollars being generated because of the rise in single parenthood. Obama seems to to be the only sane one here who doesn't see a major problem with abortion and is a strong advocate for feminism and believes that a woman should have a choice BUT he also feels that the cost to society would be greatly reduced through prevention and not a bandaid approach of daycare funding, subsidized foodstamps and programs aimed at educating women after they have children.
Of course, if we consider that sex will have become a PRIVILEGE of well to do women who have a completely clinical purview of a human fetus, to all intents and purposes, the free f*ckfest anticipated by d*ckcentric men may NOT be happening. Intelligent, forwardthinking,educated, financially selfsufficient women will probably be QUITE selective as to her sexual partners, and all these losers wandering down the street with their d*cks in their hands, thinking they're headed for a consequence-free boinkfest , may find themselves sh*t outta luck.
And you somehow think rich goodlooking babes just aren't that picky now? I think you must be ignoring those average chick with low self esteem problems that don't insist on a condom everytime in fear that they will lose a boyfriend.
But I don't think that we can depend on "to all intents and purposes" to be an adequate substitute for legality. To make sexual intercourse unavailable to women unless they are of a certain income level, and/or a willingness to abort a fetus or undergo sterilization, or medically infertile, is THAT just?
And remember, I'm a post menopausal childless female so I probably shouldn't GIVE a rat's ass about women who could get knocked up, but I do.
No you don't, you care about them as much as you do the children that will be born unwanted. If you did give a crap about them you would be insisting they actually take the same time and effort that you and your lover did and NOT GET PREGNANT or are you the only woman that is capable of this magical feat?
I would be greatly saddened to be a member of a society that forced women to choose abortion, adopting out a child of her body, sharply restricted women's access to sexual enjoyment, or allowed children to starve because they were born to a single mother with insufficient income.
Did you not read the article I posted, it clearly showed that the amount of women opting out of parenthood has tripled based on economics.
Yes, and I do not think that there is much chance of any legislation being passed if it forces women to get abortions or surrender their babies for adoption. If it ever is, I can just about promise single men that about the only way they're gonna get laid is if they turn into floorcovering.
And this is why you will never understand, NOT ONE MAN here has said she must get an abortion. All we have been asking for is the same priveledge that you keep ignoring is that women can and do abort kids all the time and yet you say nothing of their morals just the men.
I think that you somehow think that most women are that innocent, they're not.
I used to deliver car parts and one delivery was to a highschool in my city.
I was escorted through to the autoshop and passed by these two teens, one boy one girl. From him I heard," no way!" From her I heard, " it's true, you can forget about college and you better get a job if she doesn't give up the kid."
I made my delivery and was on the way out and they were still there. He was still in denial but she had the entire legalese down - knew it inside and out. I imagine it was taught to her from a relative because they don't teach that in school.
I had to interrupt and told the boy that she is exactly right and he better hope her parents step in and convice her to give it up otherwise you are on the hook for up to 23 years. His jaw dropped.
It is this that I find this thread so repulsive that in that you would think that you would like us to believe that you don't know going in that the worst case scenario is you end up with another human being that will love you like no man can - forever and without compromise and best case scenario is that he pays through the nose right up until the little one graduates from coollege. He'll be on the hook for that too.
And it gets better if the mother thing just isn't fitting into your plans for this summer you can just have someone just suck it out for you, no weight gain and I'm back in the game in a month. And some of you have company benefits that pay for it too!!!!!!!
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/19/2009 3:21:54 PM | | wonderingsole - YOU are the crock. You say that not one man has said she must get an abortion, all you want is the same right a woman has...which is to back out of parenthood after the fact of a pregnancy occuring . The ONLY ways to do that are to either force her to have an abortion-so neither of you becomes a parent, and neither of you is legally responsible for a child which does not exist-or allow her to have the baby if she chooses, but absolve ONLY YOU from any legal /financial responsibility for the child which is part yours genetically. BOTH of those options would be 'unfair'...and yet you whine about wanting fairness. It doesn't get any crockier than that boy-o. You are also as dishonest as your pal verity. The fact is that-contrary to your cliam-they DO teach legalese in school. I have taken courses in it. If you don't want to be on the hook for child care, don't get a woman pregnant. Why should a woman have to undergo sterilization in order to save you from the bothers of: getting snipped, using a condom, finding an already sterile partner, practicing abstainance, or choking your own chicken? It is easy enough to see to it that there is no kid to give up, or support, or abort. Why shouldn't you take steps to prevent pregnancy in the first place? Just refuse to trust those conniving dames who want to blackmail you with your seedspawn, and don't let them have your jism in the first place. Do you really think you can get laws passed which require a woman to suck you off when you don't want to make a baby? Good luck with that fantasy. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/19/2009 3:34:24 PM |
I didn't read 40 pages of this topic.
But do you know how you can stop women from playing God?
Keep a condom on!!!
Problem solved!
We're long past that. Contraception fails, and you'll be hard pressed to keep people from having recreational sex. The general consensus among women is that it's the man's fault for having sex with his partner that she is the victim despite having all the cards if she gets pregnant.
He took precautions, those precautions failed, his choices aren't taken into account.
The Status Quo has seriously tainted how men approach relationships. I hope women are happy. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 11/19/2009 3:49:14 PM | Being that the majority of responders in the forum were born in either the late 60's or later, I find it interesting that arguments are being used like "now that we have rights over our own bodies and BC, voting, education, pay and court ordered support, how does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?" We are largely talking about birth control as though it has suddenly become available. It's been available since the majority of people here were either toddlers themselves or before they were born and certainly has been available since they themselves have been old enough to partake in sexual activities. Not only is there two forms of "physical" birth control since the 60's, there are now a myriad of them and it increases yearly. Yet, it's being used as a defence for "now the shoe's on the other foot and you don't like it" sort of attitude. None of these men have ever been able to lord it over women when it comes to birth control unless you were born in the late 40's or earlier. Neither did women suddenly become able to vote yesterday, and education has been available for women for a great deal of time. The only difference that I see in recent years is the court ordered child support, which is a by-product and a hang-over from an era where women were uneducated/under educated, financially dependent on parents or a spouse, etc.
For those who say that the legislation is a good as it gets, you're wrong. Just recently there was debate in Alberta over whether or not to have mandatory equal custody by each parent in order to force "both" parents to be responsible for their offspring and thereby forcing each parent to raise a child under their own steam when the child is in their care, custody and control and lessening the burden of either parent, be it financial or daily care. One of the issues, however, is that why would you force joint custody on a parent who is a crack addicted woman or an alcoholic man...so back to the drawing board. This, however, is legislation designed for splits in existing relationships where children pre-exist a split, not where recreational sex produces a pregnancy. If there is change afoot in the custody disparity with respect to existing relationships that split, you can rest assured that there will be changes afoot with respect to support being provided for women who choose to demand payment from men who did not plan to become fathers but were forced into it by women choosing to raise a child from a purely short lived sexual union. So women, do start taking more control over your body, being that you keep maintaining it's your body and your right to do whatever you choose with it - take the pill, use the female condom and make him wear one of his own or any variation of whatever's available for your own set of circumstances - or refuse to have sex until those precautions are in place. Men, insist on the same thing or face being subjected to the whim of a woman. For women, it won't be as simple for you or your daughters to be as lax about your methods of birth control as it is now because the assistance you anticipate (which even now doesn't necessarily come to you) will likely be even less in the not too distant future. We aren't stuck in a time warp as many of you like to think. | |
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