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You know relationships have the shelf life of gnats, maybe it's time we try to bring less kids into that mix and I am sorry but women have a lot more power to make that happen than men. You have the no means no thing going for you and like i said before plan b and then the get out of jail card - abrtion/adoption.
And you have the nerve to just keep blaming men?
As I've stated before, I learned a long time ago that apparently I'm the only one contraceptives work for.
I also find it fascinating that all those who say birth control didn't work for them all of a sudden have no problem staying un-pregnant after having a kid or two.
By the way, kids, this thread is pretty tongue-in-cheek. The idea that birth control fails OFTEN is a common sentiment in the Single Parents forum.
And this is from a poster I miss from the pond.^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually I said in an earlier post that I think taking your child off life support (scraping it out of your womb) is murder. I have a child because of my belief. I have no regrets.
So if it wasn't for the finances you don't really need a man then , you just wanted the secret ingredient to get what you probably wanted anyway a child.
forumologist , you need to stop watching anti - abortion propaganda films on youtube. The scraping and suction procedure is only used when a woman has waited too long before deciding to get an abortion. The woman is usually not awake for it either so I wonder what it is she is remebering?
A pill or chemical induced procedure is most common. Funny if you didn'y know better I can't see how a pap smear could any less revolting. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 8:51:03 AM |
... words are your friends....
Indeed they are.
And when your friends tell you who they are...
Men don't NEED women, we NEED a hole and one will serve many.
...you believe them.
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By the way, I've changed my stance...I now fully support those men who wish to walk away from their children to do so en masse ( they already do so I don't see how it's going to make much of a difference anyway)...the only difference I see is that some women won't have to lie and come up with a thousand and one excuses when the kids start asking why their father can't phone/show up/visit/be involved/support them, etc.
It makes a woman's job much easier to just be able to say, child, your father, a man I married and with whom I planned, desired, conceived and birthed children with within a freely joined legal institution called marriage changed his mind and felt that you were impeding on his rights and freedom (AND wallet). Never forget the WALLET part.
What's that? Half your friend's fathers feel the same way? Well now...try not to let that influence how you view "fathers" lest you want to be called damaged, bitter, angry, sexist, entitled, spoiled and have your mother ACCUSED of parent alienation okay kid??
Now go play and forget about it...it's no big deal anyway, a father is just half a kid's DNA and besides to him you were never more than a mass of tissue and cells that some woman "made" to entrap him and his wallet anyway.
Now go play and don't talk to me about love, feelings or anything stupid like that and it better not be tears I see at the corner of your eyes you little mangina. What's a mangina? Why that's what real men call puzzy whipped pansy boys (and men) who are not real men like them!
So you better smarten up and learn to become a real man and a real man fights for his rights and principles, not some DNA cells that some woman milked from him during a no intent recreational round of mindless sex.
Now cheer up and quit your snivelling and start acting like a real man and console yourself with the fact that at least you're not just a HOLE like your little sister.....now go play will ya?
Anyway, you can count me in for fathers being disposable, dispensable and easily forgettable - it's what you want, it's what you have shown yourselves to be, then it's only fair and right that it's what you get.
You win.
"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
~Friedrich Nietzsche~
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Posted: 11/21/2009 8:52:19 AM | you need to stop watching anti - abortion propaganda films on youtube
Scraping, sucking, chemically inducing. What difference does it make. It's still removing the child from your life support. You are quibbling.
I am not anti abortion. I have accompanied someone to have an abortion. It was a terrible choice she had to make and I hope she did the right thing but it wasn't my choice. Each circumstance is different but the actual act is the same no matter what the method. It's death for the child.
I have always been undecided about other peoples RIGHT to abortion but never undecided about the impact of it on the child. That would be extreme denial and I;m not into that.
I don't need anti abortionists to tell me anything..
I know when a life ends. I'm not lying to myself.
what's right for the child when that wouldn't even be an issue (no child) if women were more responsible for their bodies in the first place
That's nice but this thread is about MEN not wanting to be responsible. That's the premise. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 8:59:17 AM |
...Of course the consequences [of pregnancy] are greater to mothers than fathers
I will contest this common assertion of the Maternal Mystique.
If "consequences" can be reliably measured by monetary costs, I can get a surrogate mother and an invitro fertilized egg for ~$40K.
Eighteen years of child support at $500/month totals up to $108K.
So it's arguable that the consequences of a pregnancy are appreciably greater for fathers than for mothers.
Which is why the involuntary nature of fatherhood that we're discussing is such a big deal for some (for those who don't quite get it yet), just as women would have a big deal about involuntary motherhood if it existed.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:00:54 AM |
Yes there are failures, but they aren't as common as some have been led to believe.
True, and they are most often due to human failure - whether the man or the woman. I argue from the point of view that a pregnancy resulted from bc failure by either of two well-intentioned people, neither of whom wanted a child.
Or how about blaming antibiotics? Ummm, they tell you about this 1) at the initial appointment and 2) it's in every single pack info sheet. Give me a break!
I know women who've gotten pregnant while on the bc pill; they weren't told by either the doctor or the pharmacist that antibiotics would reduce the effectiveness of the pills. I've never seen "antibiotics may reduce the effectiveness of the pill" on any inserts. Not saying it isn't there there, though; I haven't looked at the inserts for bc pills for a few years.
but I know enough women that have had them and they are not walking around like zombies all depressed by making a tough decision. They all have kids now and sure they may think about it once in awhile but come on
True; I know women who've had abortions as well and who aren't walking around like zombies and they have other kids. But they think about the baby they didn't have more often than "once in a while"; they think about it surprisingly often. For many women, abortion is certainly a viable option. But for the women who believe its murder, that their soul will burn in hell forever if they have an abortion - the fact that other women feel differently doesn't make her feelings invalid.
My personal opinion is that abortion is a woman's way of avoiding responsibility for her actions (except in rare cases, such as rape/incest) - that it's too easily obtained and (for some) lightly taken. My belief is that if I became become unintentionally pregnant then I am ethically obligated to bear that child and either raise it or adopt it out. I also believe I would be ethically obligated to inform the father of the pregnancy and consider his thoughts and feelings about it.
I am not particularly religious, btw, and I don't think a zygot or a collection of cells signals "life" in any meaningful sense. For me, I think it is the 'potential' for life that is important. For me, there is something about being adult enough to have sex means being adult enough to accept responsibility of sex, which can be pregnancy - desired or not. If you don't want to be pregnant, take precautions. If you become pregnant, take responsibility for that, too. Abortion, in my view, is essentially a way for women (and men) to avoid responsibility for their actions. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:03:47 AM | | Ha! I hear exactly what you are saying. Back in high school, my best friend, thought that she could do this with her boyfriend and so stopped taking her pill. Guess what? She raised the child on her own. Sure he supported the child financially, but that was it. Actually he resented her for many years after, not to mention as soon as he heard she was pregnant he broke it off. It really is wrong of a pereson to think they can control another person in any way shape or form. When you try to control someone they resist-read the literature. You know-you can google anything you want information on. My advice to others is this; "before you try to control someone else, be sure you're in self-control-duhh. Willingness is the hearts desire. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:06:38 AM |
maybe it's time we try to bring less kids into that mix and I am sorry but women have a lot more power to make that happen than men.
Actually, a vasectomy is far safer than the pill biologically, quicker, more reliable in preventing pregnancy. It's the best and least invasive option for everyone, mother, father and child.
It's done in minutes and that's the end of it.
It's reversible.
It does not require daily ingestion of chemical such as the pill - which is dangerous. Those are synthetic hormones.
Once completed and tested it is ABSOLUTELY reliable.
If men are so emphatically against supporting accidental pregnancies - line up for a vasectomy. What's your problem. Don't you want CONTROL over your reprodictive RIGHTS.
I honestly think a lot of men don't care at all about their reproductive rights. They have the right to a vasectomy but don't EXERCISE that right even though it's almost zero risk and completely reliable. They care about not having RESPONSIBILITY. That's why they are not doing it en mass. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:09:17 AM | | The ONLY time a man and a woman are on an equal playing field is when both have been sterilized............then and only then do they have "EQUAL REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS." | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:10:08 AM |
It's reversible.
Please quit irresponsibly and inaccurately repeating this.
Vasectomies should NOT be viewed as being reversible, but as permanent.
It is both difficult and expensive to try and reverse one, and even with all the wonders of modern medicine they turn out to be reversible only 50% of the time.
That's why they are not doing it en mass.
Again, you need to get your facts straight. Approximately half a million vasectomies are performed in the United States each year, and have been going back at least about twenty years. By comparison, there have been about two million boys born each year for the last several decades, so this is about a quarter of the male population getting vasectomies.
Half a million per year works out to one every fifteen seconds during the working day, which is a pretty steady stream.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:20:54 AM | are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Are men playing the DEVIL when they abandon their children or pressure women into abortion.
Just had to throw that in for laughs lol.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:25:28 AM |
Before the operation, men must make arrangements to have some of their sperm frozen and safely stored in a lab. He has the vasectomy and is forever in charge of his reproductive rights.
Not sure if it's possible, but could women do the same thing? Then, it could become mandatory that when puberty came along, both men and women could have their potential children safely put aside and both be sterilized till they were ready/willing/able to have kids. Agreements as to support signed etc. Would solve a lot of problems. Or, if the science won't work for women, just make it mandatory that the man have his sperm saved and he be sterilized at puberty. Eliminates unwanted pregnancies entirely, no exceptions.
Seems like SUCH a good idea, to me! :) | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:32:06 AM | Please quit irresponsibly and inaccurately repeating this.
Vasectomies should NOT be viewed as being reversible, but as permanent.
It is both difficult and expensive to try and reverse one, and even with all the wonders of modern medicine they turn out to be reversible only 50% of the time.
Bullshit fallacy.
Some of the best success rates reported in the literature for vasovasotomy are a patency rate of 99% .......... This means that in the hands of the surgeon who quoted these rates, he was able to restore sperm flow in the vas tube 99% of the time,
http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal-success-rates.html
On another topic - the following post is one of the most moving ones I've ever read and if it doesn't strike a cord you are dead inside. Here's an excerpt...
Now cheer up and quit your snivelling and start acting like a real man and console yourself with the fact that at least you're not just a HOLE like your little sister.....now go play will ya?
That about sums up the attitide of a HELL of a lot of men on here and they are not in the least bit ashamed of it. This is what kids see men doing every day and you wonder why society is less and less than impressed by men these days.
It's a pimps and ho's society. Who made it that way. Who wanted it that way.
Sport fucking. You can watch it on TV. Now press that remote. You invented everything didn't ya so you should be allowed to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES.
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhatever.
Again, you need to get your facts straight. Approximately half a million vasectomies are performed in the United States each year, and have been going back at least about twenty years
It's very telling that this has only been happening for about as long as CS has been in effect considering any farm boy knows how to snip those tubes with his pocket knife. Why were'nt they ELECTING to have vasectomies BEFORE.
For that matter WHY DOESN"T EVERY GUY WHO ALREADY HAS A COUPLE OF KIDS GET ONE.
Because...........drum roll...........he'd rather let the woman take all the risk lol.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:35:42 AM | | MOST mothers do what they believe (at that time) is in the best interest of their child.....and that is the priveldge they have because they bear the children. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:36:08 AM | As others have suggested: she doesn't want the child, but he does. She carries it to full-term and the father takes full responsibility for rearing the child.
Not the best option, but an option that in no way currently exists, for men. And it never should - it's not a womb for rent option. You can't force another human being to use their body as an incubator against their wishes. She has to be willing to carry the fetus to term - you cannot compel someone else to carry a baby they don't want.
It makes a lot more sense to take responsibility before conception. I don't understand the fervor from many men in this thread about the unfairness of it all. It's just the way we're built and the circumstances afterwards are normally determined by the courts if the parents cannot come to an agreement on the custody and support arrangements. These are standards that have been evolving and if you don't like those standards it would make a hell of a lot more sense to talk to your elected representatives that have direct influence over legislation than to complain about how unfair life is here.
There seem to be a lot of immature, women hating men in this thread. Grow up and realize that the women you are sleeping with may not always be trustworthy or perhaps they're scatter brained; whatever the circumstances one of the hazards of two fertile people having sex is that a pregnancy may occur. If that worries, scares or annoys you then wear a condom every time or only sleep with women you wouldn't mind having children with. Otherwise realize that if she does fall pregnant and you aren't close enough to her to influence her decision you are at the whim of her decision and may be taken to court to pay child support.
Ha! I hear exactly what you are saying. Back in high school, my best friend, thought that she could do this with her boyfriend and so stopped taking her pill. Guess what? She raised the child on her own. Sure he supported the child financially, but that was it. Actually he resented her for many years after, not to mention as soon as he heard she was pregnant he broke it off. This is a perfect illustration of what I was saying - if this young man's parents had taught him to always use a condom no matter what because he didn't want to be a father while he was too young the problem most likely would have been averted. No baby used as a tool for manipulation, no young woman erroneously thinking she could 'trap' a husband and no resentment. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:40:36 AM | Wow forumologist you should be buying lottery tickets. At 97% effectiveness the stars would have to line up for an accident to occur.
Had a vascectomy, I am in control ans was told by the doc forget a reversal - just a myth. Freeze some now just in case.
Funny you should say that about vascectomies, it is something a fellow poster mentioned way back. I am getting my son one when he turns eighteen and having some of the boys frozen. And trust me, based on how you women are it's the best thing I could ever do for my son. There are many men who are thinking this way for their sons too!
And you think(?) too much. We are just not willing to hand over our lives on the whim of any woman.
And pro filer those quotes you took from my post are made by other women.
And the consensus i read from this thread is they are thinking that all those women who had accidental pregnancies are either stupid or lying.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts10765030.aspx
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Posted: 11/21/2009 9:49:21 AM | That's nice but this thread is about MEN not wanting to be responsible. That's the premise. aka deflecting
Actually, it's much more than that.
The thread has been completely derailed by women, with their strawmen antics, into "men wanting to force abortion on women" and "men only thinking about how to avoid giving us money". "Men don't have a conscience".
Classic. Simply classic.
I can count on one hand, and still have a few fingers left over, how many women in this thread are capable of staying on the actual topic, and not derailing it into their agenda.
The OP was right. Too many women think the world revolves around them. That society, and men owes them special treatment.
Well, they do get special treatment. Man has invented ways to spare them from an unwanted pregnancy, and men have laws to protect her rights to do so, and to legally abandon a child.
Changed the laws so they have equal rights.
And that's still not enough.
But don't forget, the consequence is always the greatest to the child when adults are most interested in themselves.
And women who make the decision to abort are most interested in whom?....
What about the men who keep assuming that because abortion exists, it's somehow a viable option for ALL women
Changing the topic again.
It NEVER had to get to that stage.
Or are you completely overlooking that fact, just so you can have something to b1tch about?
All the men who can abandon their children with NO GUILTY CONSCIENCE raise your hands.
Why aren't you asking women to raise their hands as well?
Oh and that would explain the millions of men who walk away from kids they fathered in a committed relationship.
Off topic. Women do that as well. So your point is moot.
Do you want to b1tch about men leaving their socks on the floor and not caring enought to throw them in the hamper, too?
Are men playing the DEVIL when they abandon their children or pressure women into abortion.
Just had to throw that in for laughs lol.
The laugh is on you, as women are playing both.
Women can giveth, and taketh life away.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:00:15 AM | Scared of you and women like you, you bet.
And haven't you been advocating through this entire thread we should have control- OVER OURSELVES. Trust me when the time comes he will be reading all these pages. It's the beauty of modern tech and the interweb -it will never go away.
I think some of these threads should be required reading for highschool kids, it would probably scare them enough and maybe look at their moms in a whole different light.
You are so right. It is only a PRIVILEDGE to have a child.
Abuse that PRIVILEDGE in any shape or form because the mother/father believes it's her/his right to her/his child to do so is going have severe consequences.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:06:01 AM | But don't forget, the consequence is always the greatest to the child when adults are most interested in themselves.
And women who make the decision to abort are most interested in whom?....
I said ADULTS - that means men and women. Don't twist my words.
What about the men who keep assuming that because abortion exists, it's somehow a viable option for ALL women
Changing the topic again.
That's exactly what this is about. It couldn't be more on topic.
It NEVER had to get to that stage.
Correct.Not if you wore a condom or had a vasectomy or abstained. That is your REPORDUCTIVE RIGHT TO CONTROL.
All the men who can abandon their children with NO GUILTY CONSCIENCE raise your hands.
Why aren't you asking women to raise their hands as well?
Becuase a woman did not start this thread demanding that she can walk away. A MAN DID duh.
Oh and that would explain the millions of men who walk away from kids they fathered in a committed relationship.
Off topic. Women do that as well. So your point is moot.
That's exactly what this is about. Men not wanting to take responsibility. It's not moot otherwise we would have not thread to start with.
Are men playing the DEVIL when they abandon their children or pressure women into abortion.
Just had to throw that in for laughs lol.
The laugh is on you, as women are playing both.
You're obviously one of those people who thinks two wrongs make a right.
Women can giveth, and taketh life away.
Oh and it was an immaculate conception. Men had nothing to do with it. lol.
The laugh isn't on me. I have not had an abortion. I raised my unplanned child into a beautiful adult and paid every penny for her. Now her father desperately wants forgiveness and her compay and she just can't be bothered with him. Serves him right but it's still sad. She has no feeling for him whatsoever whereas she would risk her life for me.
Men want abortions. When you aid and abet someone to commit murder you are just as guilty. Men also perform many if not most abortions.
Everyone is responsible. This thread was started because a MAN said he didn't want to be responsible. It's not about if women have abortions or about women's rights to walk away. You are being a hypocrite saying I am creating a strawman.
It is you that creates the strawmen here all too often. Let me remind you what it means. "ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented blah blah" That's you. Always avoid answering the question and turn it back on the originator. That's all I ever see you do. Argue. You rarely actually make a well thought out point at all. You just counter attack rather than sticking to the point.
That's the point, in fact. That's why I said men are playing the DEVIL was for LAUGHS. It's no way to debate.
Like I said.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:06:47 AM |
But don't forget, the consequence is always the greatest to the child when adults are most interested in themselves.
And women who make the decision to abort are most interested in whom?....
I said ADULTS - that means men and women. Don't twist my words.
What about the men who keep assuming that because abortion exists, it's somehow a viable option for ALL women
Changing the topic again.
That's exactly what this is about. It couldn't be more on topic.
It NEVER had to get to that stage.
Correct.Not if you wore a condom or had a vasectomy or abstained. That is your REPORDUCTIVE RIGHT TO CONTROL.
All the men who can abandon their children with NO GUILTY CONSCIENCE raise your hands.
Why aren't you asking women to raise their hands as well?
Becuase a woman did not start this thread demanding that she can walk away. A MAN DID duh.
Oh and that would explain the millions of men who walk away from kids they fathered in a committed relationship.
Off topic. Women do that as well. So your point is moot.
That's exactly what this is about. Men not wanting to take responsibility. It's not moot otherwise we would have not thread to start with.
Are men playing the DEVIL when they abandon their children or pressure women into abortion.
Just had to throw that in for laughs lol.
The laugh is on you, as women are playing both.
You're obviously one of those people who thinks two wrongs make a right.
Women can giveth, and taketh life away.
The laugh isn't on me. I have not had an abortion. I raised my unplanned child into a beautiful adult and paid every penny for her. Now her father desperately wants forgiveness and her compay and she just can't be bothered with him. Serves him right but it's still sad. She has no feeling for him whatsoever whereas she would risk her life for me.
Men want abortions. When you aid and abet someone to commit murder you are just as guilty. Men also perform many if not most abortions.
Everyone is responsible. This thread was started because a MAN said he didn't want to be responsible. It's not about if women have abortions or about women's rights to walk away. You are being a hypocrite saying I am creating a strawman.
It is you that creates the strawmen here all too often. Let me remind you what it means. "ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented blah blah" That's you. Always avoid answering the question and turn it back on the originator. That's all I ever see you do. Argue. You rarely actually make a well thought out point at all. You just counter attack rather than sticking to the point.
That's the point, in fact. That's why I said men are playing the DEVIL was for LAUGHS. It's no way to debate.
Like I said.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:12:17 AM | How about we give a thread started by a woman?
After just reading through a handful of the forums, I've figured it out. I'll probably get a lot of hate messages for this so I'll start out by saying that not ALL single moms are like this. I'd like to think I'm not...
Most single women complain a heck of a lot. About their past life, current life, how hard it is to be a single mom, how horrible their ex is, how men aren't understanding enough, blah, blah... Seriously girls, just stop. You aren't going to get sympathy. Guys don't want a girl who complains a lot or who has a bunch of baggage. It's true everyone has a past, but you have to learn to deal with yours or you'll never be in a meaningful relationship.
This is, of course, just my opinion... but maybe if you all want more of a response from this site you should present yourself as more of a mature person.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:20:10 AM | Now her father desperately wants forgiveness and her compay and she just can't be bothered with him. Serves him right but it's still sad. She has no feeling for him whatsoever whereas she would risk her life for me.
Well, there ya go. You got your vindication (vindictiveness, vendetta, pick a word) and you didn't even have to accept a red penny to get it! | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:28:31 AM |
Please quit irresponsibly and inaccurately repeating this.
Vasectomies should NOT be viewed as being reversible, but as permanent.
It is both difficult and expensive to try and reverse one, and even with all the wonders of modern medicine they turn out to be reversible only 50% of the time. Bullshit fallacy. ...http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal-success-rates.html
Right, you're into believing some promo website trying to hype and sell vasectomies and reversals?
My sources are impartial, namely the U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services, the U.S. Public Health Service, the Nat'l Institutes of Health, the Mayo Clinic, etc.
In fact I'm pretty much quoting what they say. I.e.:
The chief advantage of vasectomy -- its permanence -- is also its chief disadvantage. The procedure itself is simple, but reversing it is difficult, expensive, and often unsuccessful. Researchers are studying new methods of blocking the vas that may produce less tissue damage and scarring and might thus permit more successful reversal. But these methods are all experimental, and their effectiveness has not yet been confirmed. It is possible to store semen in a sperm bank to preserve the possibility of producing a pregnancy at some future date. However, doing this is costly, and the sperm in stored semen do not always remain viable (able to cause pregnancy). For all of these reasons, doctors advise that vasectomy be undertaken only by men who are prepared to accept the fact that they will no longer be able to father a child. The decision should be considered along with other contraceptive options and discussed with a professional counselor.
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:28:41 AM | Now her father desperately wants forgiveness and her compay and she just can't be bothered with him. Serves him right but it's still sad. She has no feeling for him whatsoever whereas she would risk her life for me.
Well, there ya go. You got your vindication and you didn't even have to accept a red penny to get it!
He never offered a red penny. He spent it all on drugs and party women.
I was never looking for vindication. I was looking for her to be healed.
I've offered to fly her out there. I've offered to fly him out here. She want's no part of either option. She has moved on so she says. She has a man in her life who loves her now and she doesn't need a daddy any more. It's too late and I respect her viewpoint but it still saddens me.
Actually it was me who called England five years ago and found her father and tried desperately to have her take him up on his very strong desire to have a relationship (now that's he's recovered from his drugs and womanizing addictions.)
He and I are friends now. I've known him since my teens. People do stupid shit. His father also abandoned him - ironically. He knows the pain. I have forgiven him. I wish she could too but that day has not come yet because she SUFFERED more than either of us combined. She survived the hurt of being abandoned by deadening her feelings. Now she can't bring them back to life. I hope one day she does. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2009 10:30:50 AM |
Serves him right
These words would indicate otherwise.
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...A man who can abandon his child FOR ANY REASON is subhuman. Sorry, but when you say this sort of thing, as well as the above quote and many other statements you have made, it doesn't come across that you have forgiven as much as you'd like to think you have. We soften over time, which you "appear" to have but to call a man subhuman in one breath and a friend in another just doesn't come across as an entirely heartfelt sentiment when you say there is no feelings of vindication by your daughter not wanting anything to do with her father. | |
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