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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 4/29/2011 1:54:58 AM | Olddd thread, lol
as a caseworker at a social service center , i would see a lot of women (all ages, colors) trying to get child support, social security (rsdi=survivor's benefits)
Survivors benefits are for spouses and children of a deceased wage-earner and provider who was living in the home with the spouse and children at the time of death, and contributing to family expenses prior to death to replace lost income from that persons death. It is not something you can just "go get".
Wouldnt a social worker know that?! | |
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Posted: 4/29/2011 4:23:13 AM | I just clicked on a page and started reading. I'm pretty sure I posted in this thread a few times, but I really have no desire to hunt for old posts.
If you read page 36 (posts 876-900) you get a pretty good idea of the the ad infinitum circular debate.
Moreover, the theme has long been derailed from the original post. Because it had more to do with than just women having 100% choice of whether or not the fetus is born.
- Why can a mother "kidnap" the child? There -are- good fathers out there that actually -want- involvement with the children they helped to conceive.
-Why does the father not have say if he wants the kid and she just wants to adopt it out?
- Why would a judge give custody to the parent that is less financially capable of raising the child?
- Why is there no punishment for mothers who default on the court ordered visitation schedules?
"The best interests of the child" seems to translate into "mother knows best."
BTW, I kinda miss verityone's near-exhausting posts as well as BigDaddyJinx's brazen attitude.  | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 4/29/2011 8:14:28 AM | Puget Deb syndrome, it has been public since 'Officer and a Gentleman'
It has been happening at least since Vietnam.
Get your shiat snipped, cut, and fixed. It is the only way to guarantee that rug rodent aint yours.
'But I'm pregnant!' Well, that means you have been out f*cking around because it aint mine'
(and get your count tested every year just to make sure)
want women out of the 'power' seat, then take means into your own hands.... or you can continue to play their game, in which case, you are playing it, so quit your snivelling. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 4/29/2011 1:41:46 PM |
Why would a man not want to take care of his kid.
Maybe because he didn't want the kid in the first place?
why do women have kids with losers they know won't want to take care of their kid????
Because they think they can raise the kid alone, and it isn't necessary to have a father in the child's life. Also, they know the state will FORCE the father to contribute to the child's support, whether he wants to or not. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 8:09:36 AM | Actually you are wrong on the first trimester it is not considered a human. If the woman carrying the child was on the way to a clinic to abort and you hit her from behind in your car you can (and many have) been charged with murder if the fetus dies. While I agree how can you call it a life on one issue but not on another it comes down to the intent.
Intent? So if someone accidentally hits a woman with her car and causes her to miscarriage and lose her non-human, he should be charged with manslaughter? But if the woman's intent is terminating her non-human because it's too much of a burden to have a kid, it should be legal? Makes perfect sense.
Based on your writing you would give all the power back to the man. If for some reason he doesn't want to be responsible after the deed is done to support the child he gets to walk away because he said so in the begininng. If he had such strong feelings he should wear a condom or better yet make it where he cannot have children.
All the power? Who said anything about "all the power". The only power the man wants is not to be forced into supporting a child that the mother insisted on bringing into this world against his wishes.
What every answer on this topic fails to point out is that the mother will be the one taking care of this child 24/7 for 18+ years. The father pays child support and may or may not be active in the life of the baby he created. He gets to move on and up. Yet we condemn the woman?
There are good and bad aspects of raising a child. But if the father has no custody of the kid and is only financially supporting a child he never sees, he is only experiencing the bad aspect.
To casually discuss abortion as a term of contraception is not only stupid but speaks volumes to the character of the person saying it. I suggest that you make an appointment on Monday to make sure that you cannot bring children into this world. Then your scenerios wouldn't apply to you. But hey that would be the responsible thing to do.
What about women who have casually used abortion as a means of contraception? What does it say about their character? | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 7/4/2011 8:37:02 AM | Tigerwoods0924
I know this seems to go against reality but child support is NOT for the mother. Child support is for The Child. It is intended for the upbringing and maintanence of the CHILD.
If you are over the age of 12 and have had access to even BASIC sex ed you know that the primary BIOLOGICAL function of sexual activity is PROCREATION. Every instance of vaginal sex could potentially result in a pregnancy. Those are Nature's Rules not ours.
If you do not want to find yourself (not YOU specifically but the more encompassing you of a gender for instance) in the position of having a baby with someone you do not want to share parenting with, either remain celibate or have this conversation PRIOR to bumping uglies. There are many MANY women who absolutely do not believe in abortion. There are many women who have no compunction about using her fertility to create a mess in YOUR life. It's your responsibility to know WHO you are doing the deed with BEFORE you get a nasty surprise.
DNA doesn't give a Rats A** about your INTENTIONS. If you aren't in a serious enough relationship to deal with the consequences of basic biology then don't do anything that puts you in that situation. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 8:58:15 AM | Every instance of vaginal sex could potentially result in a pregnancy. Those are Nature's Rules not ours.
Nature!? Ha! Nature didn't intend for women to abort their fetuses just because it's inconvenient for them to have kids. The history of human beings has been the history of overcoming nature and natural instincts. Don't talk to us about nature. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 6:49:48 PM | Have a look at the history of abortion and birth control. It's been happening pretty much since recorded history...and obviously prior. I do not condone abortion. I am a huge advocate for birth control and more sexual responsibility. I responded to a man who believes that abortion is a very viable option. Also believes that if a child is inconvenient for HIM he should have no obligation to follow through on the consequences of his actions like a grown person. Nature does what it can to weed out the viable from the non viable. I am not sure where your little mini rant came from but I don't remember indicating that abortion was a feasible answer to the question at hand. "
All the power? Who said anything about "all the power". The only power the man wants is not to be forced into supporting a child that the mother insisted on bringing into this world against his wishes.
Seems like you ARE advocating abortion. There are only 2 ways that I know of to prevent a child from coming into the world against his wishes. Abortion and Birth Control. If she used birth control it would be a non-issue. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 7:10:30 PM | Men wear condom. Even the sexual clinics keep saying this over and over and OVER! This thread is old and it needs to die again. Don't want to pay child support wear a condom that's a no brainer.
http://positivelite.com/content/images/stories/devan/November_2010/condoms.jpg | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 7/4/2011 8:09:23 PM | | Battle Warrior... You are spot on. If each of us took care of our own business then this would be a non-issue. Used condoms and turkey basters?? Please. Flush it when you are done with it. Always carry your own. Always use it. Then your chances of being "trapped tricked or taken advantage of" drop to almost zero. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 8:33:21 PM |
are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Nah, if they had THAT kind of power they'd make themselves rich and turn themselves into men.
Very funny! But what we'd really do is make ourselves rich and make you GUYS have the babies and be responsible for all the birth control!
Oh wait ...
Never mind.
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Posted: 7/5/2011 3:47:21 AM | Seems to me, that men have the power to NOT bed down a woman. Given that men know that women can and do get pregnant, they can choose to be active participants in prevention. The blame game door here, swings both ways.
Like I taught my son- When you play adult games, you can win adult prizes. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2011 5:29:11 AM | "Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children."
Sorry, had to throw a movie quote out there... LOL
Anyway, it just goes to show that there are alot of people out there, men AND women, who are simply too selfish to be parents. Having a child is such an incredible blessing and it's sad when people use a child as leverage or a means of getting revenge. It's sick and twisted to use an innocent child like that. No woman should use pregnancy to manipulate a relationship. No man should abandon a woman when she becomes pregnant with his child. The list goes on and one for both sexes when it comes to horrible behavior during a time that SHOULD be an incredible time in their lives. | |
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cinsav
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Msg: 1320 | |
| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 7/7/2011 10:30:10 PM |
Oh god, its a mans world out there and you are all still complaining
this subject makes my blood boil
its the women's choice. its her body. end of story
Ahh no it's not. But at 29 I am sure you have all the answers to life and everything else... as do most 20 somethings.
The fact is, it is BOTH our child. Just because you gave birth doesn't give you more of a choice. Despite what you see on TV most men actually do care about THEIR child as much as you do. And, let's keep in mind that you being "horny" contributed to the conception of that child every bit as much as he did. It's BOTH your responsibility and BOTH your choice. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 7/8/2011 12:30:03 AM | "Put on a condom"
I hear that a lot. Though I also hear "the condom failed" quite often. If you ask me, condoms are more for STD prevention than they are for birth control. They have the highest failure rate of all the forms of birth control out there, and yet they are the only form of birth control that men have access to (at least for now).
"Keep it in your pants"
Unless you feel like participating in a movement to reverse Roe v Wade, you really need to stop using that argument. It's the exact same argument that was used in the original case and in the appeal. You're not going to stop people from having sex. And from what I have been reading on these forums, and some other avenues, a lot of people really DON'T know the risks.
"Get a vasectomy"
So a man should make himself sterile just because he doesn't want kids RIGHT NOW or he doesn't want kids WITH HER? What kind of fvcked up thinking processes are going through some of your heads? And on the note of getting a vasectomy, the younger you are, the harder it is to get one. Doctors want to ensure that you aren't making a bad decision when you're young that you will be lamenting over when you're older. Being a 20-something with no kids is almost a default "no" when trying to have that procedure done.
"My Body My Choice"
If it's that simple for you, then it should -also- be your problem. You had just as much choice to lay down with the guy as he did with you, but post conception, you have complete veto as to the outcome of the pregnancy. The one with the lion's share of the power, should also hold the lion's share of the responsibility. You don't go after the janitor that's working at a company, when the CEO is the one that's calling all the shots. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2011 6:38:14 AM | "Put on a condom"
Is absolutely good advice. They do have a relatively high rate of failure when used alone. Spermicidal jellies and foams bring that failure rate almost in line with the The Pill. Abstinence is 100% effective. I am not interested in "keeping people from having sex". I am interested in keeping myself from getting pregnant.
I do not understand why this is such a difficult concept. If I absolutely do not want to take ANY risk of becoming pregnant I do not do the things that cause pregnancy.
"It's My Body, My Choice"
We ALREADY take the lion's share of the responsibility. Any way you slice it no woman walks away from pregnancy unscathed.
Abortion causes physical and emotional trauma. There is ALWAYS a risk of permanent loss of fertility when undergoing an abortion. It may be small, but the risk exists.
Women who are single mothers still pay the lion's share of the cost of raising children. A child given up for adoption still means 9 months of her physical and emotional resources being used not to mention the difficulty of the initial decision and the likelihood of that child showing up years later looking for answers and their own history.
Time, Money and Emotional investments ARE the lion's share. You ARE in charge of
your own reproductive choices. What kind of effed up thinking process goes through your head that makes you think that you should be able to gamble but never have to risk losing anything?
Simply stating that you are not interested in raising or paying for a child that YOU helped create and then walking away because you do not wish to have children with THAT specific woman simply should not be a feasible option.
If you do not trust the intentions of your sexual partner...have sex with someone else.
On a side note homosexuality comes free from any possiblity of "entrapment" due to pregnancy. Just a thought.
Until medical science has advanced enough to allow a man to take an already initiated pregnancy into his own body and continue it then he is at the mercy of the woman who owns the uterus that WILL be responsible for that pregnancy. Does that suck? Yes it does, therefore it behooves men who worry about someone abusing their reproductive rights to be that much more careful about who they choose as a recipient of their seed.
We've been hearing "You picked it YOU deal with it" when we find ourselves with children who are unwanted by their fathers. Why shouldn't you? | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 7/8/2011 8:17:10 AM | meh, the 'I am fixed , and I aint ever having kids, will actually lower your instance of getting to sink the pink. You will find out EXACTLY who had the notion of maybe making a 'slip' . You want a 100 % guranatee? get fixed, make sure she is fixed, go celibate, or gay.
Anything else is playing with a loaded chamber waiting to click to a empty and waiting barrel - enjoy. | |
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bcsr61
| | Joined: 5/10/2011
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 7/8/2011 8:38:02 AM | I have 4 children 2 boys and 2 girls. I told my boys to consider very carefully before getting in bed with a girl because after the fun part is over they need to consider this.:
When you both get in the bed that is the last decision you will most likely make together. The girl is the one holding all the cards. If she gets pregnant she is is the one that decides on if she will have it or not, she decides on who will pay for it and who will be in the child's life.. all his choices are now taken away from him.
Now I know that most will not agree with me but it is true.. if she wants to abort the pregnancy it is her choice not his.. What if she wanted to abort the pregnancy and he did not? She will say it is her body and the fact that it is his baby is not considered.
If she came to him and said she wanted to keep the child it is not up to him any longer he will now pay for it for the rest of his life.
I told my girls:
If you get into bed with him you better be prepared to make any tough decisions on your own.
I just don't think it should all be about what she wants. But unfortunately spark it is. | |
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| are women playing GOD when they become pregnant
Posted: 7/8/2011 9:41:48 AM |
Keep it in your pants"
Unless you feel like participating in a movement to reverse Roe v Wade, you really need to stop using that argument. It's the exact same argument that was used in the original case and in the appeal. You're not going to stop people from having sex. And from what I have been reading on these forums, and some other avenues, a lot of people really DON'T know the risks.
And yet in the single parent forums, mrcs, you advocate that women need to "keep their legs closed" so they don't become single moms. It seems you're condemning women for having sex, yet don't hold men to the same standards.
I don't understand why people don't communicate with those they choose to have sex with. I have told EVERY man I've been with, BEFORE we hit the sheets, that although I take precautions, if a pregnancy were to occur, I would keep it. If he still chooses to have sex with me, KNOWING my view on it, then he's choosing to accept the (potential) consequences. I say this because the child I have was conceived while using spermicide and condoms and I'm fully aware of the fact the birth control can, and does, fail. Sure, a woman may change her mind after the fact, but I doubt, if she's opposed to it beforehand, that she'd do a 180 and be all for abortion after she's prego.
Fact is, BOTH partners know the risks before they have sex, both partners should be looking out for the they, as individuals, want, and take precautions against it, then BOTH PARTNERS are equally responsible for the outcome. If you're a man, knowing that ultimately, you have no say in whether she has an abortion or not, then you need to use protection or not have sex with the woman.
So a man should make himself sterile just because he doesn't want kids RIGHT NOW or he doesn't want kids WITH HER? If you want the possibility of having children, but don't want them WITH HER, then maybe you shouldn't be having sex WITH HER! | |
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