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Posted: 5/31/2006 11:52:21 PM | Let me ask my son-in-law who is african american and german who was raised by his german grandparents what he thinks about Archie Bunker and All in the Family being viewed again. I am all for political correctness. My mom and dad were also racists when I was a small child. Not now, they both accept all people from different races and countries. We all need to be de-programed to stop hating other folks who look and act and live their lives in different ways from ourselves. As long as its not in a criminal anti-social atmosphere. Like Rodney King said "Can't we all get along"? | |
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Posted: 6/1/2006 2:55:51 AM | | dahliakitten, dont make people out to be racist if they dont agree with politicly corectness | |
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Posted: 6/1/2006 5:04:55 AM | | Actually Dahliakitten, All in the Family was targeting racists and the problems they cause. If you recall, whenever good ol' bigoted Archie practiced one of those "isms" , the show would focus on his being proven wrong and finding the error of his ways. Of course, it couldn't last from episode to episode because that's not very entertaining but the reason the show isn't remembered for promoting some "ism" is because the net effect was just the opposite. The idea was to give lessons in tolerance while making people laugh. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2006 7:40:00 AM | EXACTLY. Archie was a racist, but the show was not. Of course there were a lot of those who were so eager to over react about anything they could find, they were too stupid to pay attention long enough to "get" that. Just went from a simple remark, blew it out of proportion, and started ranting, instead of listening. Seems the most level headed "normal" person on the show was Louise Jefferson, the black neighbor.
" We all need to be de-programed to stop hating other folks who look and act and live their lives in different ways from ourselves."
Tell that to those who want all the "white" people to do ALL the changing. Seems they are the only ones who get accused of being racists, while the mexicans can shred the national anthem and Jessie Jackson can even still find a soapbox to spout from. Let a white person tear up the mexican anthem, or say about the same as Jackson does, but about black people, and watch them be accused of a hate crime. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2006 8:23:31 AM |
Actually Dahliakitten, All in the Family was targeting racists and the problems they cause. If you recall, whenever good ol' bigoted Archie practiced one of those "isms" , the show would focus on his being proven wrong and finding the error of his ways. Of course, it couldn't last from episode to episode because that's not very entertaining but the reason the show isn't remembered for promoting some "ism" is because the net effect was just the opposite. The idea was to give lessons in tolerance while making people laugh.
The above is very true. The show was great for that. It's good to get things out in the open so they can be discussed.
All comedy is about some form of failure. In Arch's character, his failure was flawed judgement caused by his own bigotry. The doer was always more of an issue with him than what they did. The "right" person could come along and rob him blind, but he'd find fault with minorities for just normal behavior.
Comedy is our most effective form of social commentary. Lenny Bruce had a good point. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2006 8:12:19 PM | Tell that to those who want all the "white" people to do ALL the changing.
White MALES.
I laugh at the concept of the "Lilith Fair", knowing full well the reaction I would get when I announced "The All White Boys Rock'n'Roll Show".
The fact that I am a caucasian male does not make me a racist. No ethnic background or sex makes one entitled to special rights.
As for Archie Bunker, he had the problem of airplane hijackings solved. He said "You pass out the pistols when everyone boards the plane, and collect them when everyone is getting off the plane". Well?... | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:09:32 AM | | It is so bad that I can not be myself on here. It is really sad . If you go slightly left or right of vanilla you are doomed. I hope I did not offend the flavor vanilla ????? | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 8:24:59 AM | Now the edgiest thing we have on TV is a Crime Scene Investigator who spends half the show ripping off his sunglasses and giving us the Zoolander 'LeTigre', 'Blue Steel', or 'Magnum' look and the other half of the show pulling his gun more times in an hour than Jules and Vincent did in a full two hours on 'Pulp Fiction'.
PC destroys the ability to laugh at ourselves and makes us all even more sensitive than otherwise. I love to see a black comedian making jokes about Caucasians. When they joke of the way we dance, the way we talk, or of our attitudes we can see that and laugh because it's us and it's funny. We get to view ourselves the way others see us... I think that's a benefit rather than a detriment. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 8:55:42 AM | | I think one of the biggest problems is that people can't tell the difference between a racial statement and a racist statement. people are too quick to put labels on people. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 9:09:35 AM | | I guess I benefit from having incredibly thick skin and not getting offended by anything. liberals tend to get offended by everything and call anyone who doesn't think exactly like them things like a racist or a bigot. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 9:12:00 AM | | I wish I can say that I've never been offended but it's rare and in most cases I realize the times I have been offended were more my own issues than the person making the statement. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 9:24:49 AM | | I actually like making fun of the stereotypes of my ancestors. it's fun. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 10:26:12 AM | | I am french and sicilian. I am a frog that bleeds spaghetti sauce. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 12:40:34 PM |
I am french and sicilian.
That explains a lot! 
(I really did mean that in a good way!) | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 1:38:55 PM | | Every generation has it's meatheads and Archies, and the sad thing is they don't realize it when it is happening. It takes the next generation to condemn it. The same hateful spirit is always there, only the demographic group dujour changes. Each generation will always find a way to justify it. Right now it's the Christians, their beliefs, and their God. Notice how often their religion is insulted by names and titles and spinoff nicknames of their God being taken in vain. Notice how many of their words of sacred meaning are used as curse words or by words. Just look around a little in here at all the hateful anti Christian speak. Now transpose it to any other demographic group and see how it floats. Oh bigotry, thou art alive and well and thriving. Only the demographic group to hate has changed for this antichrist generation. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 2:45:56 PM | One good modern example of an "All In The Family" type show is CBC's "Little Mosque On The Prairie" . 
Amaar struggles to hip-ify Muslim youth day by re-branding it "Islamapalooza."
What's great about this show is that it's exactly what's needed in today's world. It's written by a Muslim woman, and she can see the humor on both sides of the issue. Like Archie Bunker, you have people on both sides that have some rather special views of the other side. 
The Muslim inhabitants of small town Mercy, Saskatchewan have been without a Mosque until the Pastor leases the Anglican parish hall out to 'Yasir's Construction Co'. Yasir has not told the Reverend that the parish will be used as a makeshift Mosque and the Muslim followers have not been told that it is a secret Mosque.
Yasir feels he must keep the Mosque a secret as no one in the small town has been willing to rent out space for Islamic worship.
Meanwhile, a young, handsome Torontonian lawyer, Amaar Rashid, has answered his calling - and a newspaper ad - to become an Imam (leader of a Muslim congregation). At the airport, he is deep in cell phone conversation defending his decision to give up being a lawyer and move to Saskatchewan when a woman in line overhears what she believes to be terrorist exclamations:
"I've been planning this for months. It's not like I dropped a bomb on him. If dad thinks it's suicide, so be it. This is Allah's plan for me."
At this point, the woman flees.
"I'm not throwing my life away! I'm moving to the Prairies."
Amaar seems to think this nutty small town isn't for him and attempts to book a flight home over the phone answering "Amaar Rashid" when asked for his name. He is then put on hold.
He mutters, "Can't a Muslim book a one way ticket without someone having to call their supervisor?"
Some other quotes from the premiere include:
The old Imam (an eccentric older man with some unique views on life and Islam) said,
"American Idol? Canadian Idol? I say, all idols must be smashed!"
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"Desperate housewives? Why should they be desperate when they are only performing their natural womanly duties?"
An Anglo-Canadian man to Fatima, "Would it kill you Muslim girls to show a little cleavage?"
Fatima replies, "Would it kill you if I hit you with a cleaver?"
Anglo-Canadian mayor of Mercy is miffed after radio show mentions her PR assistant as being a Muslim convert and possibly influencing the city office. She tells her PR assistant, Sarah, "You're supposed to spin the news, not be the news"
Sarah tells the mayor that she will get to the truth of the matter.
Mayor replies, "I can work with the truth...but only as a last resort."
http://www.hotreport.net/little-mosque-on-the-prairie-series-premiere-review/
At the same time, it also allows people a look inside the Islamic community, and we can learn from that in a good way.
Baber: The crescent of the new moon must be observed with the eye just as the prophet did.
Rayyan: Well, I don't think the prophet had a telescope from Costco
Like any good satire, it can allow us to step back and laugh at the stupidity of it all. What's good about it is that you can find some "Archie Bunker" types on both sides of the fence, while most people are simply rather normal, everyday characters who have to deal with them - on both sides.
Just look at what Dave Chappelle has done, or what people like Richard Pryor were able to do. The works of both men can make audiences of whites AND blacks cry with laughter. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 2:57:07 PM | Oh! Oh! Oh!
Dave Chappelle with the blind, black, white-supremacist? Was that not freakin' hilarious?!?!? | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:09:58 PM | | but white comedians have a harder time poking fun at stereotypes without being called names. it's freaking sad. as long as you don't use any racial slurs, who cares? | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:32:01 PM |
but white comedians have a harder time poking fun at stereotypes without being called names.
It depends on how it's done.
It never seemed to stop Don Rickles. It was always interesting to me how so many people "got" Rickles, even people of color. If you "hate" everyone, and start spewing all sorts of idiotic racial remarks (done again properly) - people start to see the satire in it.
The types of things Rickles says are heard every day, and seeing them exposed like that in a comedic routine is good therapy for everyone.
"Curb Your Enthusiasm" has done some good work too, as have people like Kevin Smith in his movies.
One of the reasons it's a lot rarer, and more difficult to do, is that it's sometimes much easier to see the stupidity on the other side, or even on your own. Chappelle and Chris Rock take just as many shots against blacks , as they do whites.
I think it would be almost impossible for a white man to equal someone like Richard Pryor, simply because so much of that dark humor (I think) comes from life's pains.
Just look at the biographies of comedians, and where they came from. There are some pretty messed up people in comedy, and they've used humor to deal with that pain. Having someone that grew up 'normally" ,as a top comedian, is actually rather rare. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:37:49 PM | | I have a joke about barack obama I want to tell but I am afraid that if I post it in this forum I would get banned. and it isn't racist at all. people are too sensitive. p.s. montreal guy, you have a beautiful city. only been there twice and I love it there. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:45:30 PM | I think that's right MG. Carlos Mencia comes to mind as well. They play no favorites and never singled anyone out.
Game... Blouses. | |
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