| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/15/2005 6:09:50 PM |  The ability to see is not based upon how long you can hide out in a university...
 When beig shot at the college kid will stand there and try to figure out where they are shooting from,as the grunt hit's the deck...
Which are you the live grunt,or the dead college kid???
 I may be The CEO, but I will always be the grunt... | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/19/2005 11:21:47 PM | These sources can be traced back to originals if you care to look.
1. http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/bush.htm - If you don't believe the memo, then request via the library of congress the actual document.
2. LOOK IT UP in the Congressional Record If you don't believe this is accurate. (http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm) | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/19/2005 11:41:20 PM | acu,
How do you prove anything? Are you needing redundency to prove a truth? Does it has to be said over and over again before you can accept it? DO you need social acceptance before you can learn something new? What does you measure of belief demand?
I live by truth, even if it takes me to places that can be ugly. To live any other way is to be incongruent with ones self, and to exert a measure of denial.
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 2:14:28 AM | "If little Georgie was never president there wouldn't have been a Sept 11 attack"
What a bunch of bull crap, 9/11 was in the making long before bush was even considered for pres, the ones that flew the planes had been living in the states and training there for years. It didn't matter who was in office 9/11 would still have happened.
So far bush has done very little against terrorism and done more to cause people to hate/distrust the usa. His attack against Iraq should be enough to impeach him as it was based on nothing but lies and yes he knew for the most part that they were lies. | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 5:05:59 AM | Main Entry: mur·der·er
Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r-&r
Function: noun
: one who murders; especially : one who commits the crime of murder
Main Entry: 1mur·der
Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r
Function: noun
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
So, Bush was sitting in the Oval Office one day thinking to himself "Gee, I'm bored. I don't like Iraq. I'll just make up some reasons to go in and invade and blow up innocent civilians there because I really hate those darn Iraqi's."
So he calls up some pals. Their response?
Tony Blair: "Gee George, I'm bored too. And ya know something, I also really hate Iraqis. I don't know why. Maybe it's because they have a "Q" in their country's name. I'll jump on the band-wagon. Let's go kill some innocent civilians."
Bush's cabinet: "Gee George, We're soooooo bored. I know that we're some of the brightest politicians in our field who have been educated at some of the most prestigious schools money can buy, but we're bored. We're so glad you came up with this idea to go invade Iraq and blow up innocent children."
C'mon. This entire scene is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that Bush got up one day and decided to finish a vendetta for his father. This is real life, not the movies. If Saddam had agreed with UN inspectors being allowed to do their job, the entire invasion wouldn't have happened. So is it possible that Saddam is also to blame?
If the UN had actually done something about their mandates being ignored, the invasion wouldn't have happened. Is it possible that the UN is partially to blame?
Here's something perposterous for you to ponder. How about the Iraqi people themselves. If they had deposed Saddam, there would've been no invasion. How about blaming them?
So, if Bush is a murderer, is Blair a murderer? How about Saddam, he killed waaaaaaaaaay more people than Bush (possibly even by his own hand), is Saddam a murderer?
Of course Bush is responsible for the deaths of the service members in Iraq. Just as FDR was responsible for the deaths of US troops in WWII. Your point is kind of moot.
It's easy to attatch blame, all you need is a chain of thought. It's easier to make false accusations when you don't know the truth. And honestly, noone knows the truth except the people who made the decisions here. The rest is supposition | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 6:14:49 AM | shadow
Going into Iran would not be a good idea. If GW does this he will have one heluvashaitstorm to contend with. Unlike Iraq under Saddam who was all talk and no play or Afghanistan where everybody was beating on everybody else and they all hated the Taliban and Bin Laden, Iran has it's act together. They have a seasoned military, a large pool of fanatics, reserves and are capable of waging a prolonged hit and run war.
Soooo, I doubt very much that he would be that stoopid unless the Saudis offer to pick up the tab like they did in Iraq. | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 6:29:23 AM | Bin Laden has been shown as a methodical and meticulous planner. He has charisma and never does anything by chance. He placed people in a position to benefit his plans as much as 10 yrs in advance. The 911 attacks were not spur of the moment things. He knew of the buildings' weaknesses, the holes in airport security and planned accordingly.
GW didn't! He got lucky going after the Talban as the Arab world had no respect or love for that regime. The Arabs had little love for Saddam but going in there caused the surrounding countries to sit up, take notice and wonder "Am I Next!" Right now I wouldn't doubt that the Syrians, the Saudis, maybe even the Iranians are secretly funnelling supplies and money to the resistance groups. Their logic-keep the US bogged down fighting a guerrilla war like in Viet Nam and they will soon give up.
BTW wasn't Cheny and Rumsfeld in on the planning and miss-execution of Viet Nam? | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 7:02:37 AM | I guess I'm a curious soul. Your in Canada and you support Bush. I support my President, btw, right or wrong he is my President, and he was wrong for the majority I'm sure Americans would find a way to impeach him. Opinions are not fact, just opinions, so no Americans need to get touchy about that. *g
But anyway, I'm curious as to other countries following our politics. Do you think other countries like our current president more then the U.S. does? Not sure what his rating is in the polls at the moment. It changes.
About being a superpower, I don't think we ever asked for that, it just happened. And most Americans I guess, I know I feel we do have a choice as to whether or how much we help out. We are still a young country and we have issues and money to spend at home. I'm not sure most Americans feel that being elected to "save the world" should be put on their shoulders without a choice. That may be what you are running into in this thread.
It's great that other countries want to send their children to school here, we also would like to be able to send our kids to school here. There is a middle class and a "poor America". We have poor and people in need right in our country, and for us that should be taken as our first priority. Sorry if that sounds mean, but it's realistic not idealist.
How nice for other countries to elect us to give money and help for the entire world. Our middle class and poor feel the brunt of it on their shoulders.
It may be the human thing for other countries to help and save the world too. Ya know...
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 8:41:12 AM | windover
But anyway, I'm curious as to other countries following our politics. Do you think other countries like our current president more then the U.S. does? Not sure what his rating is in the polls at the moment. It changes.
I think you will find he is not popular in SE Asia, China, Japan or S Korea- let's forget N Korea for the time being. GW's rhetoric is not making him friends, his waffling on a number of issues vis a vis taiwan is putting them into a bind. The Taiwanese have long depended upon the US for support and thier military depends upon getting US military hardware to keep ahead of the PRC. Japan is feeling pressured by the US at a time when China is becoming bellicose, if Koizumi can't turn to the US he may decide to follow Ishihara's advice and increase Japanese military strength-remember Japan possesses equal to or better technology than the US. We just have less of it here but that can change radically within a year.
About being a superpower, I don't think we ever asked for that, it just happened.
After WW2 the United States was possibly the only country not touched directly by the war, infrastructure and other capabilities were intact and you had a president that wanted to take advantage of that. By the time Ike came on the scene the US was a Superpower and on its way to becoming one of 2 superpowers-remember the other guys?? Your citizens didn't ask for it but your businessmen did, your military did and so did your politicians. 3 out of 4....
I'm not sure most Americans feel that being elected to "save the world" should be put on their shoulders without a choice.
I believe a few presidents would have loved ton step down from this position. This was part of what brought about the Great Depression-isolation and the closing of trade breeds poverty. Poor education breeds poverty. Only choice you have which is no choice is to become the leader, the superpower-unless you want to see the benevolant People's Republic of China step into that role.
It's great that other countries want to send their children to school here, we also would like to be able to send our kids to school here. There is a middle class and a "poor America". We have poor and people in need right in our country, and for us that should be taken as our first priority. Sorry if that sounds mean, but it's realistic not idealist.
Those people should pay! 2,3 or more tuition rates have been created by all the major universities in your country. One rate for US citizens, another for foreign students from rich countries, another for students from 3rd word countries and another for gifted foreign students. And then there are the Federal, State and Private scholarships, funds, bursaries and loans handed out to those students who are gifted US citizens. In theory the slate is stacked in favour of the maderately to extremely talented US citizen who wishes to go to a place of higher education.
But, where your education system falls short is when it comes to handling elementary, junior high and high school students. You aren't doing a good job there and it's being reflected in your country's poor leadership, inability to compete in business and industry and inability to create a new vision.
By all means be realistic. Make your politicians get realistic. If you have to vote someone who is an ex Hell's Angel into the presidency, then do so! But, make sure he has a solid grasp on the things that need to be done, the will to do them and won't let issues about religion, ego and other bullshit get in his way. | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 8:49:06 AM | | Dapi I totally agree with your education stance. I feel for the amount of spending going to education we aren't getting a very good deal. We need someone to step up and make the education system accountable, as parents we also need to know that the road to a good education starts at home. Interacting with your child instead of letting them pass out in front of a T.V. is a good start | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 9:02:21 AM | Windover and others,
Let me just start by saying that what I wrote is a fact. PERIOD. Given the seriousness of these allegations you would think a logical, moral person would want to check out these facts first hand rather than kill the messenger. But unfortunately, that's what is happening today in the media and socially in the US. Killing the messenger.
Take the time to watch this vid OK?
http://premedtutor.com/videos/martial_law_p03_bb.wmv
Somewhere in the middle of it, it goes into the Prescott Bush/Nazi stuff. It is well documented in the video. Is that too much to ask?
As for the George HW Bush document that I posted a link to, I simply can't make you research it for yourself, and therefore, no one can prove it to you if you don't want it proven. It demands too much credibility from you.
Now for you other guys who attacked me based on 9/11.
I NEVER EVEN MENTIONED 9/11. But since you did, riddle me this? Why was building 7 purposely blown from the inside the morning of September 11th, according to Silverstein the owner of the building. Why were all ATF and Cia agrents absent the morning of 9/11? Why were so many key figures warned before-hand not to fly on September 11th? What is with all the put options profiteering on 9/11? Why weren't the trades that were made and profitted from publicized and brought out in the open? Why did they already know why did it (9/11) the next morning without investigation (Bin Laden)? Why are there so many family connection with Bush and the Bin Ladens? here's the big one: HOW IN THE HELL DID NORAD STAND DOWN ON 9/11? NORAD never stands down. I used to be in the aviation field and I will tell you that NORAD never stands down. Rediculous.
Well I'm done. It isn't my job to force you guys to think. Here are a few links if you want to see what's going on, if not, then enjoy the New World Order with the rest of us.
http://www.supportthetruth.com/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
http://www.nogw.com/movies.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://watch.pair.com/reich.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/grove.asp
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing."
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 9:03:40 AM | There are a lot of hard decisions to make. More people like Burt Rutan are needed and the people intelligent enough to back these people and get your country back on its feet.
As far as kids go, I have 2 grown daughters. The eldest joined the Japanese Self Defense Force and will graduate as a psychologist from their military program. She's far smarter than I am and should do well in life. You have to do right by your kids and too many politicians fail to see this. GW just happens to be #1 on this list. | |
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| Now let me get this Straight,Bush is a Great guy and He is Going to Save Us All...*J*
Posted: 5/20/2005 10:30:24 AM | Yes bush is a murderer, he had no good intentions for attacking Iraq only his own blood lust and lust for all things oil.
Also Saddam in the end was co-operating with the un, the inspectors where there and asked for a few more weeks to finish up. Bush didn;t allow them to finish thier job. Know why? Cause bush knew they would find nothing.
Bush has killed more people then Saddam, easily. And he is responsible for the deaths of us service members cause he ordered them to attack in his illegal war.
Here is a fact for ya, Bush had no valid or just reason to attack Iraq. Not one. Iraq was not a threat and had no WMD's. | |
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