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Posted: 5/20/2005 10:49:38 AM |
Japan is feeling pressured by the US at a time when China is becoming bellicose, if Koizumi can't turn to the US he may decide to follow Ishihara's advice and increase Japanese military strength-remember Japan possesses equal to or better technology than the US. We just have less of it here but that can change radically within a year.
First let me say, thank you for your educated and well thought out response. You do seem to have a sharp understanding of past and current events.
The quote above brings out the subject of war toys. Equal to or better, that would be a tough call. We are talking about war toys only correct? My little brother is in the airforce at a lab I can't say, on profects he cannot and does not tell even to family, I can say he works on projects for our computer technology (war toys). I have faith in our Airforce because of the quality they choose in my brother. Straight A's since kindergarten, he had a four year degree from a college I won't mention "before" he joined the airforce. He's a nerd and creative. So "if" the other people working with him or half as talented as he is, I'm going to go out on a limb and say we might just have better. But, I wouldn't wan to underestimate the enemy should Japan become one again. It is said we were ever at war with them in the first place. JMO
But, where your education system falls short is when it comes to handling elementary, junior high and high school students.
True. Americans have been begging for a President to handle these problems. It's frustrating and I can see it as a deal breaker in the next election.
Thank you for the information.
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Posted: 5/20/2005 11:11:18 AM | Hi Joe,
Geese I need to start checking for typos before I send a post.
Before this post, you gave two links, the first link is from a Conspiracy Theory page. Conspiracy theories are not facts, and it's okay to enjoy them, but you need to understand they are theories and not presented as facts. You presented it as a fact, and now in this post you have this to say about it...
As for the George HW Bush document that I posted a link to, I simply can't make you research it for yourself, and therefore, no one can prove it to you if you don't want it proven. It demands too much credibility from you.
In the end it is left up to opinion, that makes it a theory.
Like I said, I luvs a good theory. Toss them out there. The only problem I have is the concern that you may be taking them as facts and things can get muddled doing that. Enjoy it, but take it for what it is. I was a big fan of the Conspiracy Theory on Clinton by the way. That one was great~
And don't worry, I'm not attacking or flaming you. I don't do that.
I'm off to check out the 911 "Theories".
I read a fiction book you would just love. Read it about 5 months ago or so. It's by a #1 New York Times Best Selling Author, Nelson DeMille. The name of the book is Night Fall. A good read! The fictional stories is based on a Conspiracy theory concerning 911. I'm guessing I'm going to find this theory on one of the links you posted. The book is GREAT~ The hard cover has 416 pages so it's not too big of book, shouldn't take too long to read. For those picky about the size of their fiction. hehe
Great chatting with you, and please don't take any of what I said the wrong way :)
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Posted: 5/20/2005 11:14:26 AM | Yes Saddam did play games with the un, but in the final months he did co-operate, it was Hans blitx that asked the us to hold off any attack as his team was almost done thier investigation.
And who is the usa to say and decide what the un does? The usa cannot claim anything to do with the UN as it went against it. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2005 11:27:17 AM | windover
Wartoys are just that until proven otherwise....
I know that when it comes to technology the Japanese and the Taiwanese are ahead in many things. The US's advantage is in their proven capabilities and their ability to wage a war by remote control. I would hate to pit them against a committed foe like the Chinese who have technical capability and an advantage with manpower. I think it would quickly come down to either large scale nukes or tactical nukes if both of these countries went head to head. And with the Chinese and their deep-seated ethnocentric view of those races who are non Han (just look at how they treat American Born Chinese as less than human) I believe there will be a conflict. Predictions are that the PRC will force the issue sometime after 2010 with a showdown over Taiwan.
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Posted: 5/20/2005 11:40:28 AM |
Yes bush is a murderer, he had no good intentions for attacking Iraq only his own blood lust and lust for all things oil.
IF you truly believe a statement like that, then there is nothing that I nor anyone can say that will change your mind. I personally find it outrageous to think that a president (any president to include democrat or republican) would invade a country just because he was bloodthirsty. If this was the case, I guess we all just need to wait till Bush invades Somalia for revenge.
Also Saddam in the end was co-operating with the un, the inspectors where there and asked for a few more weeks to finish up. Bush didn;t allow them to finish thier job. Know why? Cause bush knew they would find nothing.
Great logic, "I know the UN inspectors won't find anything, so I'll invade on the premise of looking for WMD knowing I won't find any"
Another note, Saddam "co-operated" many times with UN mandates, interestingly enough, he never co-operated for very long.
Bush has killed more people then Saddam, easily. And he is responsible for the deaths of us service members cause he ordered them to attack in his illegal war.
A totally false statement. Go find the reports on the number of Kurds slain by Saddam, and the number of dead in the Iranian-Iraqi war, and the number of dead as a result of the invasion of Kuwait. Total that number, and I have no doubt in my mind that the number will be vastly greater than the number of dead as a result of the US invasion of Iraq.
Here is a fact for ya, Bush had no valid or just reason to attack Iraq. Not one. Iraq was not a threat and had no WMD's.
Actually, what you have just stated is opinion, not fact. Validity is often relative, and is a conclusion based on what one believes.
Actually Saddam was a threat, and he did possess WMD. He did in fact use biological weapons not only on the Iranians, but also on the Kurds. The fact the had used them in the past, had threatened to use them during Desert Storm, and the amount of money he pumped into his military are certainly indicative of the possession of WMD. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2005 11:45:41 AM | "Bush has killed more people then Saddam, easily. And he is responsible for the deaths of us service members cause he ordered them to attack in his illegal war.
A totally false statement. Go find the reports on the number of Kurds slain by Saddam, and the number of dead in the Iranian-Iraqi war, and the number of dead as a result of the invasion of Kuwait. Total that number, and I have no doubt in my mind that the number will be vastly greater than the number of dead as a result of the US invasion of Iraq."
I couldn't agree with Mild more. It is estimated that this current war has created around 100,000 casualties. The first Gulf War had 250,000+ in half the time. It is estimated that MILLIONS of people have died under Saddam's loving rule, and 300,000+ in mass graves. Please, learn to cite stats that you can somewhat backup, don't just manufacture evidence, like you claim Bush does. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2005 1:27:07 PM |
I believe there will be a conflict. Predictions are that the PRC will force the issue sometime after 2010 with a showdown over Taiwan.
How will the US react then?
Another great question and post from you. I'm so glad you are bringing these topics up. I was in my teens during the "cold war". And lived with the threat of a nuke attack at any moment. Kids now-a-days have no idea what that is like. America has been under the threat of nuclear war before, and has now enjoyed the luxury of thinking we will always have this sort of peace.
I don't think our media is doing a decent job covering North Korea at the moment. I regard them as a serious nuclear threat in the future. Sooner or later they are going to have a civil war, and when they do, we're going to get pulled into it. So will China for that matter. I can tell you are astute enough to know the history of that country so I don't need to educate you on it. (Or anything for that matter, you're like a history encyclopedia). *g
2010 seems to be a bit far off, I think it may be sooner. Then this generation of youngsters are going to grow up quickly, because we are headed down a road for hard times as a nation. We need diplomacy and we need it now.
Let's not discount "other factors". Natural ones and possibly other large factors yet unseen that could be an element for the advancment of an attack. The reason why I bring this up is due to an element essential for war called "timing". This element is an ancient one. The War Equation: something unseen or planned weakens your opponent, and the time to strike is presented.
For natural equations, we have Mt. Ranier that some think may blow. (Very hard to predict volcanoes). It could blow before 2010. Then you're looking at a disaster that would be devestating and make us prone for the right moment of an attack. (This wouldn't be like Mt. St. Helens, it would be far worse). Rainer would take out all of Tacoma, parts of Seattle too at least. One side of Tacoma has a special soil that would basically slide out of Tacoma, and Tacoma is built on previous eruptions that have done just this. And the Mt. St. Helens prediction was lucky. And also, lets not forget Yellowstone is due, and that one is a super volcano. You can only get the experts to admit they won't admit it won't, and no expert will go out on a limb in that field. Like I said, too hard to predict and no one wants to look like the fool. That volcano would be insane. The earth has not had one like it for 650,000 years or so, pretty sure about that number. Anyone feel free to correct me. There are just too many unforseen events that could weaken us and make us vunerable.
w/o
I don't want to make it sound like we need to live in fear. I'm just thowing some possible what if's on the table.
Oh by the way EXCELLENT points about the chinese. Luv your posts.
windover
p.s. sorry about my typos in past posts, I type fast and don't look at my hands, just type and think then hit send. I don't have to think about what key to hit and sometimes my posts will show it. I'll start proof reading before I send. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2005 5:47:55 PM | 2010 is a logical year for this as events that are in play point to this timetable. "008 is the Olymoics in Beijing. 2009 will see a major World Exposition in Shenyang and 2010 is the date for Taiwan's referendum on changing the constitution. China fears that the Taiwanese people wish to make their separation a political fact. Both sides have ling held that the 2 countries are in fact 1 and hold reunification talks every year.
Taiwan is a cash cow that the PRC would love to tax, just 1 year's tax revenue would solve their cashflow problems and allow them to do more development of the mainland. If Taiwan goes their own way China will not hesitate to invade and if the invasion is not successful they will use the nuclear option.
I've been around these people long enough to have an idea of what they think. Once fixated on something they will never give up on it. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2005 4:30:09 PM | foxfire,
PA'leez Luise,
Get a brain already.
This is all mental masterbation for me if every fact is not checked, verify for ones self. Explaining things away with weak rhetoric does not a good researcher make. Michaels Rivero and his site, "whatreallyhappened.com" is rated in the top 1000 of the entire internet as far as hits go, so I think if I were you, I would check my own sources. His site is very well respected and he gets hits from media giants like ABC, CNN, and others just to keep up. As for the others, there are great documentaries on them, and I listed them for info only.
It is clear that many documentaries have their own sited research on them and can be checked out at your won discresion.
As far as media is concerned, only a few corporations own the entirety of media in the US. So if you think CNN is a good source for info - think again. It is all fitered.
Media Ownership:
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Posted: 5/21/2005 4:52:53 PM | @ joefixit this is the first website you furnished.
http://www.supportthetruth.com/
This is just some of the things it says
This is a good start in getting rid of the mainstream media in America! Lets ban together and have a "Blackout" of our own, if they can "Blackout" the truth of the war in Iraq, the recount in Ohio and elsewhere...what is stopping us to organize and turn them off for a week or more! The financial damage to them would be worth it. Who knows...maybe they will wake up to what intelligent Americans really want...TRUTH!!!
-Roseanne
The best thing to ever happen to TV is the off button,
we must boycott the media when they boycott the truth!
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See I have a brain that's why I am totally disregarding anymore of your links. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 8:52:43 AM | To Dapi
Sorry about that I was off making graphics ect, after I made that last post.
You know I hope Taiwan doesn't try to pull any larger countries in this mess. You don't think it will turn into a world war do you?
And yes, you do know your stuff :) I still think N. Korea is going to cause some problems for the world. I'll finish reading this thread to see if you say anything on that issue too.
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Posted: 5/24/2005 9:03:45 AM | Hi Joe,
I didn't get a chance to post this before taking a few days to use my computer time to make wallpaper.
This is what I think. The theories and ideas you have are just in the wrong thread. You'd be better making a thread just for that purpose. Because people "do think", and "do have ideas". I would not present all of it as fact though. For example most theories are laced with fact, conjection and perception combined, but yes you'll see a few facts. That doesn't mean the entire theory or perception is fact. Then to slander a persons thought, and say they don't agree with you because they don't think, well that doesn't belong in the topic, as we all will have our own thoughts to add.
In the link about the skull and bones. I LOVE this btw. But "I don't buy all of it". I did find some factual errors, small ones albiet, but anytime I see some errors, it's like seeing one****oach. You know more are there. Also beaware of "salesman" hype when watching Internet Documentaries like that. The guy sounds like he's trying to sell something, when you have ALL facts, you don't have to sell something. Open a thread for it and I'll play :) Oh and btw, I was telling my man that "Arnie" would try to find a way to become President, and this was right after he was elected. I am keeping one eye on him. LOL
windover
P.S. If you start a thread on theories and such, just shoot me an email with the thread title. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 1:09:19 AM | "There are many dangers in unilateralism in regards to revoking another nation's sovereignty, for what ever reason. What is represented by the "downside" amounts to oppression and tyranny."
......the ends and means are inconsequential to this.
No Shit...'Bout time someone made it understandable to the posters we have here...lol | |
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