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 NateC
Joined: 4/10/2006
Msg: 176
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So all the growth / investment that exploded around both Wallmart locations after they were built is because of the downtown core?
Are you suggesting the Georgian Mall on Bayfield Street (which is directly across the street from Wallmart) is getting a multi million dollar facelift, (more like a rebuilding), because of the downtown?
All those companies, banks, chains, car dealerships, investors sinking millions right beside both locations have nothing to do with the shopping traffic Wallmart generates........

Umm, yeah.


I work in the Georgian Mall and i can tell you that your argument is actually fallacy. The Georgian Mall is growing because it's trying to pull all the attention from the Park Place development, and if that goes through it will not be able ot compete if it does not. Most of the things that have "expanded" around the wal-marts excluding the Zehrs and Canadian Tire and a few others are actually associated with them (like Montana's and Kelsey's - both owned by Cara - who have some sort of back-end deal with Wal Mart).

There is actually a lot of politics and under-the-table stuff involved. But the growth has more to do with the fact that Barrie is expanding southward and Iniisfil is expanding northward; the growth in the south end was inevitable, Wal Mart or no, so your argument regarding that is actually moot.
 NateC
Joined: 4/10/2006
Msg: 177
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Posted: 4/16/2006 6:59:05 PM
to expand: $9 is equivalent to $7.50/hour in the US, which is above their minimum wage. But, their cost of living is actually higher than ours, both in terms of actual cost of living and even in comparison to exchange rates. And, given current exhange rates, $1 US doesn't buy a whole helluvalot anymore.
 oceanpearl202
Joined: 9/21/2005
Msg: 178
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Posted: 4/16/2006 9:59:27 PM
Walmart only exists because of small communities.. that's where they began, they just kept expanding until they got to the larger centers. They are the c o c k roaches of the retail world.. awful!

OP
 tonym144
Joined: 1/17/2006
Msg: 179
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Posted: 4/17/2006 7:39:30 AM

First of all, they treat their people like krap...


Hello, did you read what I posted? They are the FIRST job that has treated me with respect! They don't treat you like "krap"...if you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk.


pay them minimum wage


They pay over minimum wage to start, and give you raises after you have been there awhile. Again, if you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk.


I would never shop at wal-mart


If you don't shop there, then why are you complaining? It's not affecting you personally, so mind your own business. Duh!
 oceanpearl202
Joined: 9/21/2005
Msg: 180
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Posted: 4/17/2006 9:00:13 AM

First of all, they treat their people like krap...


Walmart tries to act like they are so good for the community...

BUT a relative of mine (who was getting close to retirement) was district manager and they axed him and 3 other people in his department who were also getting ready to retire so that they wouldn't have to pay them pensions. It's awful. All these people worked for Walmart most of their lives (although my relative started at Woolco when he was in his teens and when Walmart bought them out they hired him in the same position). He was making really good money also (believe it or not) and he ended up with nothing all of a sudden. There was no warning, he just went to work and the next day. .chop, chop, chop.. everybody 50+ in the store was out the door.

They had to sue the company to get their pensions back. How could anybody do that to people when they are so close to retirement? He was awarded a pretty big settlement for damages and on top of that got his full pension and retirement savings back, but how dispicable for Walmart!

This is why I hate Walmart. They are NOT there for the community and the stuff that they are peddling is crap anyway. How many of you have bought things from there and they fell apart in a week? Spending money there is aiding to the suffication of the smaller businesses who will help your community far more than Walmart will. Who cares if you save $2.50 there, it's a scam.. they are EVIL!!!!
 Re-AnimatingKain888
Joined: 2/21/2006
Msg: 181
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Posted: 4/17/2006 2:34:10 PM
Walmart = Rupublucanism taken past the boundries functionalism.
 Always Smiling35
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 182
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Posted: 4/17/2006 3:31:56 PM
I work in the Georgian Mall and i can tell you that your argument is actually fallacy.


Yeah because investors who throw around millions always make sure the retail workers in the malls get the memos and are kept informed on exactly what is happening with their buisness plans and why they chose to invest in one particular area and not another.


But the growth has more to do with the fact that Barrie is expanding southward and Iniisfil is expanding northward; the growth in the south end was inevitable, Wal Mart or no, so your argument regarding that is actually moot.


Yes growth was inevitable. But not at the pace it is at, and has been at for a few years.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that all the traffic jams on MPD are due to all the other buisness in the area?
Are you trying to tell me that all the investment in the once stagnant north has nothing to do with Wallmart?

Its the downtown core right?



Your response has a bunch of cloak and dagger stuff, politics, and no real logic in it.
That suggests to me that you simply do not like Wallmart and will ignore the reality.

For any-one to suggest that Wallmart has not improved the local economy, and it is the dowtown core that is responsible for our economic boom is simply incorrect.

Is Wallmart totally responsible? Of course not. But they are a huge factor.
 thawootah
Joined: 10/12/2005
Msg: 183
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Posted: 4/17/2006 4:24:46 PM
HAHA oh man you guys obviously don't really know much about Wal mart and how they help the community and people around it. You spin machines you.. Good thing I did my research and don't look like a complete idiot.

First off there rebuilding part of New Orleans
http://walmartstores.com/GlobalWMStoresWeb/navigate.do?catg=592


As part of its ongoing commitment to southeast Louisiana, Wal-Mart opened its first Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market in the greater New Orleans area on Wednesday, April 12


OOOHHH i like this part the best it's perfect for putting a stop to them looters......


A new section, called the "Grab-It-And-Go" bar, will be located just inside the front doors of the new store, where customers can grab a doughnut, pastry, coffee or fountain drink and drop their money in an "honor-system" box. "Our 'Grab-It-And-Go' bar will offer residents another convenience to this quick, easy shopping experience which we want to be reminiscent of a small, neighborhood store," said Nitz.


You have the jobs all wrong too.

Like take Maria for instance
http://walmartstores.com/GlobalWMStoresWeb/navigate.do?catg=236

Maria gets a kick out of the fact that Wal-Mart opened for the first time on the day she was born: July 2, 1962. Her career here was predestined, she says.


Or Gloria

"I didn't know anything about the deli, but I said okay and tried it. I ended up being the team lead. It became my deli."

"I am truly blessed," she says. "I was hired here, I have worked here, I was promoted here. It's like my second home. This really is my Wal-Mart."


See your whole argument on how Wal mart is an evil empire just doesn't hold up.
 Intercooler
Joined: 2/18/2006
Msg: 184
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Posted: 4/17/2006 5:09:40 PM
^^^^ The above post is the most specious argumentation I have seen in a long while.

Seriously, even a retard could find some happy employees in ANY company that employs millions of people nationwide. We are talking about "t h e b i g p i c t u r e" here.

Trying to isolate small, individual examples that "prove" Wal-Mart is all gum drops and hopscotch does nothing to offset the ruthless way they conduct their business. One only has to look at the list of DOZENS of class-action lawsuits, and DOZENS of violations and fines levied by the Dept of Labor against them, in addition to their predatory practices of pricing items below cost for the sole purpose of ruining local businesses who sell the same product.

We're not talking about donuts and coffee here, guy.
 toonsmith
Joined: 1/19/2005
Msg: 185
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Posted: 4/17/2006 5:44:40 PM
"Grab It And Go" section on the honor system? That aint gonna happen in my walmart anytime soon.

They already have a "Grab it and Go". Trouble is, it's not authorized!

If we had a "grab it and go" section with coffee, pastries, sodas and such...wouldn't last ten minutes. Someone would grab ALL of it and go.

Not to sound TOO prejudice, but there is a small element of walmart shoppers that even Jerry Springer would refuse to have on his show.

Talk to any security employee at Target, Walmart, or any other major store. There are strange stories every day about what wierd things people do in the stores. (Someone should write a book!)

People eating food off the shelf while they shop.

People shoplifting muliple socks and underwear in the dressing room, that they look like the staypuff marshmellow man coming out of the dressing room?

Returning items without reciepts and bought from other stores...breaking toys....opening things they aren't supposed to....many many things.

(Grab it and go.....didn't I see that in the phone book as an ad for an escort service?)

True, Walmart are a bunch of corporate crooks....but crooks also need to shop.


Toon
 Always Smiling35
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 186
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Posted: 4/17/2006 6:07:51 PM
Seriously, even a retard could find some happy employees in ANY company that employs millions of people nationwide. We are talking about "t h e b i g p i c t u r e" here.

Trying to isolate small, individual examples that "prove" Wal-Mart is all gum drops and hopscotch does nothing to offset the ruthless way they conduct their business. One only has to look at the list of DOZENS of class-action lawsuits, and DOZENS of violations and fines levied by the Dept of Labor against them, in addition to their predatory practices of pricing items below cost for the sole purpose of ruining local businesses who sell the same product.

We're not talking about donuts and coffee here, guy.


Well that same retard could argue that "dozens" of class action lawsuits / fines are nothing when you are talking about a chain this large, with this many locations, employing millions nationwide.

Did you ever consider they want lower prices because they know thats why they exist?
I highly doubt they go into a town or city with the thought of "We are going to purposely do this to destroy the local merchants".

Sorry, but thats just union proaganda.
 rainpanda
Joined: 10/2/2005
Msg: 187
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Posted: 4/17/2006 7:54:17 PM
HAHA oh man you guys obviously don't really know much about Wal mart and how they help the community and people around it. You spin machines you.. Good thing I did my research and don't look like a complete idiot.


thawootah: But you do look a little like one of the individuals that Wal-Mart recruited to post on blogs countering anti-Wal-Mart comments.


First off there [sic] rebuilding part of New Orleans


I'll go you one step further than that. When FEMA was failing miserably in distributing crucial supplies to the Gulf area for victims of Katrina, Wal-Mart stepped forward and offered up its unique, high-tech merchandising methodology, its distribution centers and some of its own supplies to provide the help. Millions and millions of Americans (and non-Americans) also stepped forward to help victims of Katrina because, simply, it was necessary and it was the only right thing to do. I applaud Wal-Mart for its contributions to the relief effort. But even Bush contributes to charities...that doesn't offset all the horrible effects he's had on our country and most of its people.

As to establishing a new store there, it will help the local economy somewhat (moreso if they hire locals for construction instead of contracting to out-of-state firms), but it represents a profit-making venture for Wal-Mart more than an effort to support rebuilding of the area, in my view. Unless they change their business model/labor & benefits practices, it could end up hurting the state of Louisiana more than can be offset by existing in New Orleans. The Wal-Mart business model requires that it locate the majority of its stores near poor populations in order to get local labor and local customers. But Louisiana will end up paying millions and millions in Medicaid and other welfare programs for the survival of the poorly-paid Wal-Mart employees who will qualify for them by virtue of being working poor (below the poverty line) and not being able to afford the health insurance coverage offered by Wal-Mart. And Wal-Mart, unless it's changed its policies in the past few months, will not cover any new employees who CAN pay for health insurance through their group coverage, until they've worked there for over six months, which is three months longer than most employers make employees wait.


See your whole argument on how Wal mart is an evil empire just doesn't hold up.


I don't think so.

Wal-Mart would rather pay PR firms and lobbyists millions of dollars to fight lawmakers' efforts to force them to provide benefits affordable healthcare comparable with other big-box retailers and fast food restaurants, than to use that money to provide affordable premium copays, visit copays, prescription copays and deductibles for their employees.

“The lowest price is great,” said Alderman Joe Moore, a leading council opponent of Wal-Mart. “But you need standards in place that benefit everyone.” Rather than simply oppose the new stores, the labor-community coalition demanded that Wal-Mart sign a “community benefits agreement” promising good corporate behavior, including local hiring, living wages, comprehensive health benefits, neutrality toward union organizing, nondiscrimination in employment and avoidance of predatory pricing. But everyone knew Wal-Mart would never agree...
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/the_wal_mart_effect/

It should matter to all US citizens (including those of us who DON'T shop there) that Wal-Mart employees cost the states' taxpayers more per employee than ANY other large employers, in welfare and Medicaid coverage provided to Wal-Mart's below-poverty-level employees who either are not eligible for Wal-Mart-provided group health insurance coverage, or cannot afford it.

Many local communities wish to preserve the small-business flavor of their commerce, and fight the incursion of new Wal-Mart stores in their areas because they know the small mom-and-pop businesses will be killed off. More and more of these communities are successful in grassroots legal actions to prevent the establishment of a Wal-Mart in their neighborhoods. And more and more courts are upholding those decisions. :up:

...Cities can outlaw big-box superstores in order to prevent the collapse of local businesses and resulting urban blight, a state appeals court ruled Wednesday in a case that sets a statewide precedent for ordinances aimed at retail giant Wal-Mart...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/06/BUG1NI41OG1.DTL

All I can say is thank God that Wal-Mart has apparently given up on its intended plan to enter into the banking business at their supercenters (after encountering much opposition). I'd hate to see how they would manage that type of business. *Shiver*

tonym144: One does not need to shop at Wal-Mart to be deleteriously affected by their business practices. (See above)

~ Panda
 NateC
Joined: 4/10/2006
Msg: 188
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Posted: 4/17/2006 8:36:06 PM

Is Wallmart totally responsible? Of course not. But they are a huge factor.


No they aren't. They exist here and that's about it. You're giving them far, far too much credit.

I'm also not suggesting the downtown core is what has led to Barrie's economic boom. Barrie's expansion both north and south has. Barrie's been expanding in both directions a lot longer than Wal Mart has been here at either end, regardless of the speed that you claim to attribute to their existence.

Also, I would say most of the traffic jams in the south end have more to do with Costco than Wal Mart.

I worked with the person that blew the lid off the Wal Mart scandal in the north end. They fired her for doing so, she sued, they settled, now she's set for life. That's one of the reasons why I boycott Wal-mart, and if you challenge my ethics for that, then you my friend need to question yourself; you're in the wrong questioning a person's principles or personal choice, especially after they've given you the answer why.

And whether or not it is politics, it's a fair enough reason to boycott a company; why should I invest money into a company that tries to cover up the actions of a diddler?

And no, I'm not TRYING to tell you that the investment in the "once stagnant north" - which actually hasn't been stagnant for as long as I can remember; I was born here, and the north end has always been busy because of the 400 and other factors as well, which have been here long before Wal Mart was glint in Sam Walton's eye - I AM telling you that the growth in the north end has nothing to do with Wal Mart.

The whole north end is paranoid of the Park Place development in the south, that's why we're seeing the current growth.
 jjjames
Joined: 2/26/2006
Msg: 189
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Posted: 4/18/2006 3:40:56 PM
walmart sucks a$$.
put on your sterop pants, we're loadin' up the truck and heading to walmart.
 Always Smiling35
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 190
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Posted: 4/18/2006 4:45:23 PM
Barrie's been expanding in both directions a lot longer than Wal Mart has been here at either end, regardless of the speed that you claim to attribute to their existence.


Umm, no it hasn't. Wallmart first bought an old beat up mess in the north end, tore it down, and rebuilt it. The area was losing buisness to the south rapdily. After this happened the area literally changed in the span of about four years. It turned into a very busy and economically strong spot, including the massive investment where you work. Do you honestly think investors would be sinking millions into that mall to rebuild it without the traffic Wallmart generates? No way. There simply was not enough people in the area to justify an investment of that size.
All kinds of new buissness were built after Wallmart.
Wallmart literally jump started it.


Georgian Pontiac moved to the south end because they got the heads up that Wallmart and Costco were coming there. Are you even old enough to remember when it was just just Georgian Pontiac at MPD & the 400?

Big buisness was taking an interest in Barrie and after those two major chains dropped their stores in place the south end literally exploded, and is still growing to this day.

I was born and raised here and I have been watching it happen for a long time, before you were even in Kindergarten.


I worked with the person that blew the lid off the Wal Mart scandal in the north end. They fired her for doing so, she sued, they settled, now she's set for life. That's one of the reasons why I boycott Wal-mart, and if you challenge my ethics for that, then you my friend need to question yourself; you're in the wrong questioning a person's principles or personal choice, especially after they've given you the answer why.


Please show me where I have told you to shop at Wallmart. Bluntly, I couldn't care less what you boycott or do not Boycott, or why.

I am simply setting the record straight and showing that you are allowing a personal bias with the company cloud your judgement on the question of the financial impact Wallmart has in our city. Any-one who is involved in buisness in this city and knows what makes it tick under-stands the positive financial impact they have here.

You refuted what I said in one of my original posts, even at one point suggesting I was lieing about the money invested in the mall you work at. Like I have a motive or care to lie about some-thing as asanine as this subject.
I am responding, nothing more, or less.

 Sete
Joined: 4/20/2006
Msg: 191
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Posted: 4/20/2006 9:10:46 PM
Wal-Mart is a corporation, and corporations do what is in their own interest. If they can pay workers a low wage then that’s what they do. Many of the mom and pop places do the same thing. It’s up to congress to raise the minimum wage, and so far they have failed to do so. $5.25 has been the minimum wage now for as long as I can remember, and in most places it’s not possible to live on that. Wal-Mart is just one of many retailers and most retailers pay about the same, so it’s up to congress to solve this problem.

I think it should be mentioned that Wal-Mart helps to control inflation. If you’re not unfortunate enough to be stuck working in the retail world, then places like Wal-Mart serve a purpose.
 Always Smiling35
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 192
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Posted: 4/21/2006 2:57:28 PM
^^good post sete.

This anti Wallmart is just union propaganda. They are pissed because they cannot get in and make money off them.

If Wallmart ever went union all this "Wallmart is evil" BS would fade out quickly.
 shore66
Joined: 5/23/2004
Msg: 193
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Posted: 4/21/2006 9:44:37 PM
This anti Wallmart is just union propaganda




Actually, there are a lot of businesses which have a pretty negative view of Wal-Mart. I read an interesting article at FastCompany.com, "The Wal Mart You Don't Know."

...the real story of Wal-Mart, the story that never gets told, is the story of the pressure the biggest retailer relentlessly applies to its suppliers in the name of bringing us "every day low prices." It's the story of what that pressure does to the companies Wal-Mart does business with, to U.S. manufacturing, and to the economy as a whole...

Wal-Mart has also lulled shoppers into ignoring the difference between the price of something and the cost. Its unending focus on price underscores something that Americans are only starting to realize about globalization: Ever-cheaper prices have consequences...

Steve Dobbins has been bearing the brunt of that switch. He's president and CEO of Carolina Mills, a 75-year-old North Carolina company that supplies thread, yarn, and textile finishing to apparel makers--half of which supply Wal-Mart. Carolina Mills grew steadily until 2000. But in the past three years, as its customers have gone either overseas or out of business, it has shrunk from 17 factories to 7, and from 2,600 employees to 1,200. Dobbins's customers have begun to face imported clothing sold so cheaply to Wal-Mart that they could not compete even if they paid their workers nothing. (emphasis added)

"People ask, 'How can it be bad for things to come into the U.S. cheaply? How can it be bad to have a bargain at Wal-Mart?' Sure, it's held inflation down, and it's great to have bargains," says Dobbins. "But you can't buy anything if you're not employed. We are shopping ourselves out of jobs."

 Intercooler
Joined: 2/18/2006
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Posted: 4/21/2006 9:53:17 PM
^^^^^^ Nice ad hominem argument. I'm not part of any union of any kind. And I'd bet a week's pay no one else on this thread has anything to do with any union looking to organize in a Wal-Mart. So, I guess that blows your unintelligent statement out of the water.


Well that same retard could argue that "dozens" of class action lawsuits / fines are nothing when you are talking about a chain this large, with this many locations, employing millions nationwide.


Dude, do you even have any idea what a "class action" lawsuit is? Apparently not, as it only takes ONE class action lawsuit to potentially represent every single present and past employee of a company, depending on the specific case. The fact that there have been and are dozens of them is PRECISELY what makes it so incredible.
 Sete
Joined: 4/20/2006
Msg: 195
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Posted: 4/22/2006 12:37:06 AM
Shore, I realize that outsourcing has reduced the number of jobs and has had some detrimental effects on the manufacturing industry, but is the problem with Wal-Mart or with the laws that allow it to happen? There are so many companies that outsource nowadays that Wal-Mart would be negligent if it didn’t. America’s free trade agreement with China would be a good place to point the finger. Wal-Mart would not be outsourcing if it wasn’t legal and even encouraged by our current laws. The solution to this problem lies with convincing the law makers that outsourcing is bad for America. Telling a company not to be competitive is not likely to work.
 Always Smiling35
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 196
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Posted: 4/22/2006 5:30:18 AM
^^America is also getting its but kicked by Canada with free trade. Although I suspect once there is parity between our dollars that might end.


Actually, there are a lot of businesses which have a pretty negative view of Wal-Mart.


I bet. Getting smoked by your competitor would suck.
But, thats the way the system works.


And I'd bet a week's pay no one else on this thread has anything to do with any union looking to organize in a Wal-Mart. So, I guess that blows your unintelligent statement out of the water.


Ok, we can add in buisness owners who lose money to them to.

So buisness owners who are getting blown away + unions starting the propaganda machine = threads of this nature.

They are not doing any-thing illegal, they are just very good at what they do.
Figure out a way to compete with them, or keep crying.

Who cares.
 shore66
Joined: 5/23/2004
Msg: 197
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Posted: 4/22/2006 6:00:39 AM
My point was that for once businesses and labor unions are on the same side of an issue, not that Wal-Mart is doing anything illegal. But I think it is telling that objections to Wal-Mart are based on a variety of reasons - poor treatment of their workers, forcing suppliers out of business (with subsquent job losses), and taxpayer subsidy of their worker's health care.

As to "how the system works," getting people to understand what their patronage of Wal-Mart means to them and their country, long-term, is perfectly valid, whether you choose to call it "propaganda" or not. The unions, being large and visible, are natural source of this information, and the one most likely to be heard by Wal-Mart's customers.

Personally, I choose not to shop there, because I understand saving a few dollars now is not in my own best interest, and that it will cost me more in the end.
 Always Smiling35
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 198
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Posted: 4/22/2006 6:08:28 AM
Personally, I choose not to shop there, because I understand saving a few dollars now is not in my own best interest, and that it will cost me more in the end.


Every-one has a right to boycott or not boycott as they see fit.

Keep in mind I am a Canadian, and Wallmart does not cost us any-more in healthcare then any other company in this country.
Having said that, the arguement that the tax payers flip the bill for their workers here is irrelevent. Every-one here gets free health care regardless of your employer, or economic status.

If I lived in the USA, that would be an issue for me.

Its like the state is subsidizing their people so they can make huge profits.
That is wrong if that is what is happening.

Down there they should be made to provide health care or at least a portion of it.
Taxpayers in the USA should not have to flip the bill so any company can make huge dollars, weather it is Wallmart, McDonalds, etc.
If I was American I would be all over my local representative about it.
 LunaLover
Joined: 2/24/2006
Msg: 199
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Posted: 4/23/2006 4:38:22 AM
Look at it this way. How are you going to go somewhere else and be able to afford to buy anything. They do keep their prices down in the area I live in. Something that is $2.00 somewhere else is .69 cents there! It's a catch 22!
Luna
 rainpanda
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Posted: 4/23/2006 5:51:48 AM
I just saw Jack Welch, former CEO of GE (who, depending upon who you believe, either made GE great, or made it greater after it was already great when he ascended to the top spot), on Business Week Weekend, a Sunday morning TV show. He and his wife Suzy (sp?) were saying Wal-Mart is 100% very good for America. I wonder if he is doing paid promotional rounds on the business shows, is a stockholder, is a board member, or if he actually believes Wal-Mart is 100% good. (In and of itself, it's almost impossible to even THINK that any corporation would be 100% good OR 100% bad! As with most things in life, there are shades of gray.)

I am not an overwhelmingly or predictably union supporter (was only in one union for 4 years long ago, in my 40-year work history) and my opinion of union representation would have to be based upon the facts surrounding a particular union and their particular contract(s) with a particular company. I'm not a supplier who is being crunched by Wal-Mart. I'm not a competitor. So I wanted to establish right up front that I have no personal axe to grind. You seem to have no concept of why people would be concerned with companies that have unfair labor practices if they have no personal dealings with Wal-Mart. It's based on having a social conscience.

And with the issue of the entry level worker not getting a fair living wage at Wal-Mart, it also becomes a public issue (in the US) when Wal-Mart's working poor require taxpayer subsidy with Medicaid healthcare coverage at twice the rate of any similar-sized large employers with employees entering their job force at minimum wage.

Said by Always:
They are not doing any-thing illegal.


With your above statement, however, I do have to take issue. They have been the defendant in more lawsuits that I could list on a full display page on this message forum, a lot of which they have lost thus far, at billions in cost. They have fended off hundreds if not thousands of lawsuits with large settlements, which is like saying, we know we're going to lose, so let's just cut our losses and go on. The lawsuits are not only labor practice lawsuits, though most of them are (many class action, including not allowing and/or paying for lunch breaks, not paying women the same as men in comparable jobs, not promoting equitably, etc.).

So that means, simply, in those cases that they outright lose and have to pay damages, they ARE doing things that are illegal. Pretty simple concept.

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