vivid
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Msg: 251 | |
| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 7:42:19 AM | See, what's worse....becoming obese because you stopped smoking or dying quickly from
lung cancer. Diseases relating to obesity or just plain being fat is a long and miserable
death that include amputations, blindness, high blood preasure, heart disease and CANCER. It's a long and miserable death. Me, I'd prefer to go quick.  | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 7:47:02 AM | | Quick death with smoking? What are you talking about? Cancer, Emphsyma, heart diease and other cardio-pulmonary diseases are are NOT quick deaths. Get your facts straight. And there is no way you can justify smoking. So why bother? | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 8:08:32 AM | | MSG 7: To many non-smokers this is a discusting habit that can be a real deal breaker. Most smokers I have come across feel it's their right to smoke and they are not willing to quit for anybody/any reason and that is their choice. We are not saying smokers are bad people, we just cannot tolerate the habit. I have tried dating smokers in the past, and while most were considerate and tried not to smoke around me, I could still smell it on them and taste it when we kissed, even if they had not had one for hours and loaded up on mints--very very unpleasant. Their homes and cars would also smell like ash trays. It would literally make my stomach turn. As much as I may like someone who smokes, I cannot date them for this reason. YUCK!!! | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 12:35:54 PM | msg 36-----------sorry but i find it hard to believe you put a towel on your hair and shower after each cigarette you smoke.
newandreadyforu while vivids post WAS kinda absurd, you seem to think smokers need to justify smoking---------news flash-------they dont, its their choice, just as its yours not to be around smokers. | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 255 | |
| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 12:44:07 PM |
heart diease and other cardio-pulmonary diseases are are NOT quick deaths
It's realtively quick.....having amputations one limb at a time then living the last
leg (no pun intended) of your life blind does not seem like the attractive option. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 2:51:55 PM | | There is no way to justify smoking. Its just a bad choice all around. It is selfish and slow suicide. I understand the addictiveness of smoking and how difficult it is to stop once you start. But the choice to start is a bad choice. The evidence is clear, if you smoke it will have bad effects on your health as well as the others you subject to your second hand smoke. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 3:21:29 PM | newandreadyforu do you have any vices?
Do you drink?
Drive over the speed limit?
Do you exercise?
Keep in shape?
Eat right?
We all do something that can shorten our life span that we have control over
and smoking is simply one of many...
Lets not toss stones and try to get along...
Sure would make this world a better place for each and every one of us 
Have a nice day and 4TH  | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 3:25:55 PM | My dad was diagnosed with lung cancer in 2004 and passed away almost a year later. He hadn't smoked in almost 20 years. He started smoking right after high school when he joined the Navy, and continued to smoke while he was aboard a ship and exposed to chemicals, jet fuel and asbestos. He was in his 40's when he finally threw a way the packs and went cold turkey.
A few days ago, my dad's younger brother was diagnosed with throat cancer. He was a heavy drinker in his youth and still continues to smoke. The doctors give him between 2 and 24 months left to live, depending on how well he handles radical radiation, intensive chemotherapy, surgery and potentially a feeding tube.
I was asked today, how I felt about the issue of smoking. As it pertains to my father, I'm so very glad that he quit smoking and had 20 wonderful healthy years. I'm also very thankful that my father was at least considerate enough not to expose me second-hand smoke while he did smoke.
After seeing my dad suffer and die and seeing the toll that smoking has taken and will continue to take on my uncle's life, do I have strong opinions on smoking?? Yes!!!!!!
Smoking is a selfish habit. It's a selfish habit like over-eating, alcoholism, gambling and drug abuse. It gets a grip on you, it alters your thinking and challenges your willpower and leaves you scrambling for excuses why a person is incapable of overcoming it. The ripple-effect of smoking is long term and reaches far into the future. You don't know what sequence of events is going to be the catalyist that causes diseases like cancer, COPD, etc. to take hold. You can't predict which smoke, first-hand or second-hand, is going to be the one that shortens your life and takes you away from your loved ones or makes your exit from the world slow and painful.
As and individual, it is up to me to protect myself and secure my own health and well-being. If that means being absolute on a smoking ban in my home, in the establishments I frequent, and as a factor in selecting whom I choose to date.....so be it. Based on my own personal perspective, I can handle the fallout. | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 259 | |
| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 3:29:21 PM | I concur. I mean SOME people can get turned off by the slightest percieved
'issues' ....you could be divorced with children but perhaps they'll pass
up on what really matters and it's the person and not the habit. Ever consider
that you are yourself losing out???
I smoke....so what? My gf doesn't but we ALWAYS have a blast. And I brush
my teeth, I run 3 miles a day, I lift weights, I have awesome abs....a 6 pack. But
sure I want to quit smoking but it's hard. And when I eventually do, then
that's just another plus on my side. Right now if I kiss my gf in bed, I brush
my teeth and use mouth wash blah blah blah....during the day when we're
out and about in town I don't have a desire to stick my tongue down
her throught so she can taste the nicotine. But she's not sentive enough
to it to END THE RELATIONSHIP.
I look at my body and look at yours....no disrespect, whether I smoke or
not, I'm more attractive than you.
PS: WE ARE ALL TERMINALLY ILL........YOU AIN'T GETTING OUT OF THIS WORLD ALIVE.
So drink your filtered water, cut the fat, don't smoke......but YOU ARE GONNA DIE. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 3:38:19 PM | | chain smoking is bad for us no doubt about it so I'm not going to argue about health issues involved with it. but I will say the second hand smoke issue is blown way out of proportion folks, stick with the fact that you may not like the smell because that is really the only leg you have to stand on on this issue. the second hand smoke debate is a worthless debate based on "junk" science and not hard facts so don't bother boring us with it. it is not a reality based argument, it's largely propaganda turned in by "scientists" and drs who work for corporate sue happy lawyers...stick to- you don't like the smell- at least that has merit. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 3:46:27 PM | Did you read the new Surgeon Generals report that came out last week? Verifiable scientific data verifying the dangers of even minimal exposure to second hand smoke. Hard facts, verified with scientific evidence is not junk science. The junk science that is out there is from the tobacco companies that still insist that tobacco is not harmful to your health. The same people that have claimed not to have manipulated nicotene levels in cigarettes to make them more addictive. While I generally do not trust the honesty of our government, I do in this case. You might want to read this report, or a summary thereof, before you continue your misguided assertions.
The question is why is smoking even legal in the United States. If a product is found to kill or harm even a few people the Government is quick to come in and yank it from the shelves. Smoking is a proven killer and yet it remains on the shelves. Heaven forebid a medication that has at least some benefit be found to have a side effect that kills one person. That product is gone. Or a ladder with a safety defect that causes it to collapse, say goood bye to that product. But the tobacco industry and their lobbyists and the tax revenue garnered from smokers speaks so much louder than the concern for the health of the citizens of tis country.
Money talks very loudly, doesn't? | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 262 | |
| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 3:54:04 PM | Wow, smoking is bad for you? How many times are we gonna hammer that same
point home. We smokers aren't under any illusion - it's bad. You apparently are. Living in the
city where we are covered in smog, acid rain and pollution. It's odd that when I'm standing
inside an underground parkade in a mall having a butt, somebody complains about
my smoking....uhhhh, listen moron, you are inside a tube that is filled with
exhaust emmisions that emit odourless poisons. Just because you smell my
toxic smoke doesn't mean the more posionous of gases aren't entering
your lungs. So quit your carping on me and run as fast as you can inside the mall.
Cancer is increasing expenentually even though smoking in Canada has
decreased to 20%. Cancer is increasing because of the perfumes, hair sprays,
additives in our foods, the insecticides we gulp down from our vegetables. wtf?
Agents identified in all I've mentioned are now suspect causes of cancer....sooooo....
bonne apetite, and shut the F up.
And to those that want to drive their polluting vehicles 100 kms to an
anti-smoking ralley - well, you need a brain. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2006 4:47:47 PM | what science are you quoting? as I didn't see any particular study mentioned, you my man are what's known as the brainwashed possible juror [sorry] but that's what you are, bought for free by corporate lawyers who have waylaid their junk scientific studies for well meaning folks such as yourself to help propagate their own selfish gains, tsk tsk. shame on you! do more research, and a final note.. govt. officials ie: the surgeon general etc. never lie according to what you believe...
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/ | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 264 | |
| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 4:55:58 PM | ^^^lung cancer is increasing even though smoking has been at it's historical
low's and continues to drop. I guess when I'm the last smoker on earth,
the millions of people who will continue to contract lung cancer will come
forth to blame me | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 5:10:25 PM | | Smokers are the biggest turn off for me. I would never date one.I hate the smell and don't like an idea of my mate killing himself, I want him to be around for the rest of my life. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2006 5:19:59 PM | soulmate4u,
as you know not smoking guarantees you nothing, you may live longer than your guy or not, I can live with your arguement that it is a turnoff for you [but you should leave it at that] now on the other hand your on here looking for a guy who is unmarried but according to your profile YOU are still married, OH! wait! that's another topic. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2006 5:41:17 PM | msg 257, very good point, vivid your funny dude, love your posts, and james dean very observant, ok i DO understand that non smokers are turned off by smokers, thats a given, but i just cant deal with ppl who are constantly bashing smokers, i smoke-- you dont, ok, there are men who wear too much cologne and totally screws with my sinuses, but i just get away from them,i really dont believe that second hand smoke is deadly, if it were my kids would be very sick by now, my dad smoked all his life, he died from cancer-----not lung cancer, and ya know we are all dying as another poster said, cars crash, planes crash, its just one thing or another.i am polite enough not to smoke around ppl who are offended by it.
you know breast enlargments are dangerous too, but i bet not many bash those! | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/2/2006 6:01:49 PM | | Maybe I am weird, but a man that smokes is very attractive to me. I don't know what it is. Not all men that smoke smell or have bad breath. I like to watch a man's hand as he lights up, I like to watch the way his mouth moves when he smokes and exhales. As long as the person does not smell and does not blow the smoke in my face, it's all good. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2006 7:45:37 PM | | Jamesdean55 has answered a question I've had for many years about the secondhand smoke issue. It has been reiterated for years (and also in this thread) that secondhand smoke is more harmful than firsthand smoke. But if I am breathing my own secondhand smoke as well as my own firsthand smoke, all else being equal, how can the person who breathes only my secondhand smoke be affected more adversely than myself? I'm not defending smokers or smoking...just abhor propaganda, no matter what the subject. | |
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Shaps
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Joined: 4/23/2005
Msg: 270 | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/3/2006 10:07:03 AM | jamesdean55, first of all, cigarettes kill. I am taking care of my health in every possible way and
will never be with somebody who destroys his body with poison. Second, married means living with your husband as a couple. My husband moved away months ago, separated is not married
unless all you care about is a piece of paper. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2006 1:59:25 PM | NASTY
NASTY
NASTY
...but kinda sexy! (see Scarlett Johansson in Mactch Point)
I would never date or marry a chick who smoked just because it is so unhealthy, but then again so it all the fun stuff.   I have never smoked but almost all my friends do so it is not socialy repulsive to me! | |
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Posted: 7/3/2006 9:59:39 PM | soulmate4u
yep cigs do kill, second hand smoke? well no scientific proof that it does. and married is married is married, divorced is divorced, and seperated is still married last I checked | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 274 | |
| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 7/3/2006 10:01:21 PM | Hey, guess what? Everything kills you! Avoid smoking a cig and maybe
a container truck hauling the crates of them will run your ass over.
Smoking kills.......what am I doing here talking to vampires!?!? You're not imortal! | |
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