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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 10/8/2006 8:35:02 PM | Being as how my husband died from lung cancer, I cannot get involved with another person who is slowly killing themselves one cigarette at a time. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and it wasn't much fun.
Besides, it stinks, looks stupid, and puts a thin film of yellow filth on everything, including one's lungs.
Yep, it's a deal breaker for me. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 10/9/2006 2:16:15 AM | I quit smoking recently, but I still can't help but to crack up when other non-smokers FREAK OUT and leave the club or other public place because they see someone light up a cig. I can't help but to laugh at how much they bawl about it.
Example: Just a few nights ago, I went to a club with a dancer pal of mine. While he's embarassing people on the dance floor who try to "serve" him, I'm people watching. I see a gorgeous woman at the bar. Another guy nearby does too. He comes up to me and points her out, saying, "She is so damn hot. I'm gonna get her." Then she pulls out a smoke. He looks at her in awe, literally stomps his feet and pushes people angrily out of his way to leave the club. I had to sit down because I was laughing so hard. Cut a rug about it, dude, geez.
Point is, if they smoke, then so be it. That doesn't make them second class citizens who don't have equal rights. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 10/9/2006 7:04:36 AM | JimJaminDayton said:
"She is so damn hot. I'm gonna get her." Then she pulls out a smoke. He looks at her in awe, literally stomps his feet and pushes people angrily out of his way to leave the club. I had to sit down because I was laughing so hard. Cut a rug about it, dude, geez.
Have to agree, that was pretty juvenile behaviour. That could never happen to me, because I simply would never be in a club, or any public place where smoking is allowed. Not that the woman in question couldn't turn out to be a smoker - but it's a dealbreaker for me....I don't care how freakin' gorgeous she is.
Point is, if they smoke, then so be it. That doesn't make them second class citizens who don't have equal rights.
As I said in a previous post in this thread, the smoker's right to smoke ends where the non-smoker's right to breathe clean air begins. And yes, I've heard ALL the "air pollution arguments" already. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 10/9/2006 7:19:26 AM | | I personally don't wanna date someone who smokes cause I care about my lungs. I do go to tha bar occationally, so I can't get away from it...It's always gonna be there wherever you go....Is it a turn off for me ? I'd say no.....but it scares me what kinda death they will encounter | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 10/9/2006 8:48:05 AM | Smoking is an assumed risk. When a person has smoked for years, even if they give it up, they have increased risk - decades later - of developing lung cancer. Many do. That's a fact.
When you go looking for what me hope is a permanent partner, you tote that risk along with you. Ditto with risks associated with obesity - sorry, its really no different.
End of life is going to be an expensive proposition for your potential mates.
You take a look at the health care system. You do not have to be a math whiz to understand the demographics of who is costing this country one hell of an economic burden.
Those who do not take personal responsibility for their health are costing us dearly. Its foisted onto the backs of the insurers and government - and hence the public through taxes and insurance premiums - to pay for treatment - chronic treatment - that slowly assumes mammoth proportions as the aggregate smokers and ex-smokers, the sedendary, chronically overweight and obese enter their mature adult years (> 50). These are the people with degenerative arthritis and joint disease, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, cardiovascular and liver disorders, gastrointestinal and lung disease - and depression.
This isn't a rant about the rights of smokers or nonsmokers. Its a statement of fact:
We are a society saddled with massive personal and public debt. We have a shrinking workforce. We have vastly inflated housing prices, rising cost of energy and goods, creeping health insurance and health care costs, overburdened public retirement system (with insufficient personal funds for retirement for much of the elderly and those about to retire), we face a one way street of increasingly scarce raw materials, our changling climate is also has significant costs in natural disaster cleanup. Is an era of record trade deficit (thats before the Chinese yen is re-evaluated - what consumer goods cost rise once that occurs!). And we have assumed the staggering cost of war ad infinitum.
All of these all add up to the "deal breaker" of a towering wall of public debt.
Health care costs / care of the elderly ==> one cost that can be, and must be managed as all risk is managed. The health care industry MUST begin to reward those who manage their personal health risks responsibily. The public itself must take on liability for its lifestyle choices.
This last item may be the real deal breaker, the straw that strains the back of the economy in the very near future.
Bottom line: those who are overweight, sedentary, smoke, abuse alcohol or other recreational drugs, have poor diet and improper sleep habits --> YOU are asking your potential mates to assume a portion of that costs of avoidable risk. Those costs WILL include: signigicant financial outlay for hospital / health care and significant emotional burden and costs to personal health for potential mates. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 10/9/2006 8:49:19 AM | Smoking is an assumed risk. When a person has smoked for years, even if they give it up, they have increased risk - decades later - of developing lung cancer. Many do. That's a fact.
When you go looking for what we hope is a permanent partner, you tote that risk along with you. Ditto with risks associated with obesity - sorry, its really no different.
End of life is going to be an expensive proposition for your potential mates.
You take a look at the health care system. You do not have to be a math whiz to understand the demographics of who is costing this country one hell of an economic burden.
Those who do not take personal responsibility for their health are costing us dearly. Its foisted onto the backs of the insurers and government - and hence the public through taxes and insurance premiums - to pay for treatment - chronic treatment - that slowly assumes mammoth proportions as the aggregate smokers and ex-smokers, the sedendary, chronically overweight and obese enter their mature adult years (> 50). These are the people with degenerative arthritis and joint disease, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, cardiovascular and liver disorders, gastrointestinal and lung disease - and depression.
This isn't a rant about the rights of smokers or nonsmokers. Its a statement of fact:
We are a society saddled with massive personal and public debt. We have a shrinking workforce. We have vastly inflated housing prices, rising cost of energy and goods, creeping health insurance and health care costs, overburdened public retirement system (with insufficient personal funds for retirement for much of the elderly and those about to retire), we face a one way street of increasingly scarce raw materials, our changling climate is also has significant costs in natural disaster cleanup. Is an era of record trade deficit (thats before the Chinese yen is re-evaluated - what consumer goods cost rise once that occurs!). And we have assumed the staggering cost of war ad infinitum.
All of these all add up to the "deal breaker" of a towering wall of public debt.
Health care costs / care of the elderly ==> one cost that can be, and must be managed as all risk is managed. The health care industry MUST begin to reward those who manage their personal health risks responsibily. The public itself must take on liability for its lifestyle choices.
This last item may be the real deal breaker, the straw that strains the back of the economy in the very near future.
Bottom line: those who are overweight, sedentary, smoke, abuse alcohol or other recreational drugs, have poor diet and improper sleep habits --> YOU are asking your potential mates to assume a portion of that costs of avoidable risk. Those costs WILL include: signigicant financial outlay for hospital / health care and significant emotional burden and costs to personal health for potential mates. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 10/9/2006 10:25:20 AM | Hi, well, thanks for writing, I dont like IM much either, at least not as a habit, but now and then.
Well, you have some very interesting points. I work in public health in Massachusetts. I took on managing a program that contracts with 30 health centers across the state and then redesigned the program, so what I did is limit it to chronic conditions and the scope of services to include only self-care activities ....support and services, etc.
Now I am traveling the state negotiating contracts and help building programs, but so far:
1 some find the idea of a health center offering self-care supports to be almost incomprehensible.
2. some find it to be terribly "icky" stuff ....
3. programs like this are few and far between but the ones that do it well get incredible results.
4. nearly ALL insurance is just indemnity, insuring from financial loss, not a planful thing so all the low tech, labor intensive, human interventions are poorly covered .....so diabetes education is a big struggle but need a leg amputated? come on in!
5. this pandemic of obesity and juvenile diabetes cases is going to cause a tsunami wave of medical costs in the next 10-15 years and there is NO leadership at the federal level, very scattered at the state level
6. as u know, medical practices are docs in the box, geared to episodic care, the help with lifestyle issues which is critical for chronic care and prevention is last and least because of the financial disincentives
anyway, so what did you teach?
my email is sb02151@yahoo.com if u want to write there.
what do you do now?
Steven  | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 6/16/2007 6:10:05 AM | | I agree very much with you.If some folks think a smoker is the worst person to go out with try the beautiful girl or guy that has a problem with their mind .If they would start seeing the good in a person and blame the government putting extra nicotine in the cigs. and get people hooked like a drug instead of finding a cure.The smokers pay for almost all the new x-ray machines and mri's and then they are on the bottom of the list to use them thanks alot. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 6/16/2007 6:32:52 AM | I hate cigarette smoke...it gets in your hair , your clothes, the curtains in the house. My mother is a chain smoker and she used to make me so sick in the car when we would go some place together. ewwwwww....... | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 6/16/2007 11:36:19 AM | bottom line: you like it? fine. you don't like it? fine.
Only thing I have an aversion to is incessant preaching and personally make a conscious choice to avoid it. I admire people that take responsibility for their actions and accept the consequences. I am not better or worse than anyone and I really really appreciate all the non-smokers who choose to stay away from me. It's best that way.
Of all my friends who don't smoke (yes, I still have people in my life who don't smoke and who put up with me ...) I find the ones who've never touched it easier on the ears.
I was once attacked (one time too many) on the street for smoking. I was in a corner ... no kids around ... minding my own business. A stranger accosted me. I live in CANADA. Tomorrow you will be attacked for choosing to drive an SUV or idling at a drive-thru. Think before you preach. I'm not defending smoking, I'm defending what is still considered legal and the right to partake in it without being attacked. It may be applied to anything legal, not just smoking.
It will be a happy day when I quit simply because it'll not only be better for me, but I will have made one less individual, who should be minding their own business, from feeling over important. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 8/9/2007 8:28:04 PM | | Well I posted up a thread here about 2 months ago. I gave it a shot to quit smoking. I quit for over a month and a half. Yes I started feeling better. Food tasted better and I had alot more energy. But I will say this, it made me very ****y at first. Yes this was my first attempt at trying to quit. Well they say the first time is always the hardest. I have had some big changes in my life and the stress of it all, made me start back up. But I will say this. I am not smoking as much as I was before I quit. I will give this a shot again soon. But I think we are judging people way too much here. I will give it a shot again soon, But I am not worried about when I quit. It is when I get bronchitis is when I will quit. I will not quit for nobody. The only person I can quit for is myself. Just like alchohol and drugs. They are just as bad and will kill you too. And so will fumes from a car. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 8/9/2007 8:30:12 PM | I hate the f ucking smell of cigs, and what I hate more is those disrespectful smokers, who light up anywhere they please, and puff away. then they have the nerve to throw tose stinking little butts everywhere, that is nasty litter!
Makes me gag! | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 8/9/2007 9:03:37 PM | | Smokers, well.... we support the economy, we create jobs, and we give you whinny non smokers something else to **** about... If you dont like smokers, dont date em. Its real simple. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 8/9/2007 9:14:19 PM | If I am interested in someone and see them light up, it's a deal breaker.
When a smoker asks me out, I say "thanks, I am flattered, but you smoke and I don't date smokers". One guy actually actually responded back and said to me that he would never smoke in bed with me. As charming and eloquent as it sounds...........I turned him down. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 8/10/2007 12:15:57 AM | | I admit, it's a nasty and socially unacceptable habit. However, my grandmother said she would never marry Navy Brass and my mother once told me that she would never marry a fighter pilot. Lemme finish smoking this cigarette while I think of similar ways to put good forum white space to waste...LOL. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 8/10/2007 5:45:36 AM | | I'm allergic to smoke, so that's an automatic dealbreaker. I've ended dating contacts because shortly into it I found out he was a smoker. I can be friends with a smoker, sure, but because of my health and my son's health, I cannot be WITH a smoker. | |
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| does anyone get as turned off with a smoker as i do?
Posted: 8/10/2007 9:19:57 AM |
I hate cigarette smoke...it gets in your hair , your clothes, the curtains in the house. My mother is a chain smoker and she used to make me so sick in the car when we would go some place together. ewwwwww.......
Every time I quit (and I'm about to again -- day six Chantix) within hours, my sense of smell begins to return, and I'm struck, once again, by how bad the human race smells. . . . Lack of baths, bad wiping, old sweat in clothes, neglect of teeth. Not to mention that a certain percent just come with an "off" odor that can't be bathed away, nor how many perfumes smell like chemical analogs of goat piss. . . .
It would sure help us smokers quit if all you non smokers would bathe daily, change yer underpants, and spray down with dilute hydrogen peroxide a couple of times a day. Deal?
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