| Tony Blair's Legacy
Posted: 2/24/2006 5:15:22 AM | Tony Blair's Legacy
1: 1997.. Ousts the Tories
2: 2001.. Keeps the Tories out
3: 2005.. Keeps the Tories out again
Simply the best PM we have had in Modern times.
Nom
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:21:52 AM | A couple of things have come to mind regarding Bacchus' earlier post.
Firstly, as regards the union laws brought in by Maggie, have any of the more contentious of those been repealled? I also remember a big fuss about Clause 4 being removed. As I understand it, part of that had a union slant. Any help?
Secondly, as far as the steel industry, I recall the Mittal affair, in which Tony personally signed a letter of recommendation on behalf of a Labour party donor which was designed to persuade the Romanian PM that Mittal was a decent enough chap to acquire steel mills in that country. Tony's view was no doubt influenced by the fact Mittal had an office here which employed a handful of staff - the donation had nothing to do with it. The resulting acquisition helped Mittal with his business, so much so that he is in direct competition with our own steel industry.
I get your point about NVQ's which seem to me to be a slap in the face to those with proper qualifivations, such as yourself. Tony's idea? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:24:45 AM | So, Nom, three negatives. I agree, he's been our best PM since 1997.
Any chance of three positives which have directly benefitted you that Tony did? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:25:04 AM | One of these days I'm gonna buy Nom a beer or two...good man  | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:36:09 AM | mwnci....
Mud slinging between political parties is sadly indicative of the adversarial format our political structure takes, until a more conciliatory approach is adapted it will continue.
However, my main point, (I apologise this is going to sound patronising.... actually bollox, I do not care if it does) ...according to your profile, you are 21, at most you will have voted once just possibly twice in a general election, and consequently, despite your positive comments about Thatcher, I doubt you will remember anything about the walking/talking disaster with a handbag. She, from my perspective, did nothing positive at all…nothing…unless you were particularly well heeled.
She actually managed to sell to the public, assets they already owned! IE:Utility and Telecommunications companies etc. I believe that to be an outrage, The Thatcher Government effectively said “we will take your assets and sell them to someone else or maybe even back to you and then we will pocket the money”…
Hmmm nice..
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:50:00 AM | if it wasnt for blair
i would have been hunted down and shot | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 7:53:55 AM | " I can voice the opinion others have given me"
It must be nice to voice some elses opinion.... or are you saying ...you are voicing an opinion on the hearsay other rather than personal experience?
Quite a safe platform to shout from either way...
Nom
Opinionated I may be, but it's from derived from personal experience | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 8:08:20 AM | Er..HELLO.... please read the thread more carefully....
1: Where do I state no one supported Thatcher???
2: I am very clear that it is my opinion not the UK's
Please be more accurate...... I am sure that will come with age and experience..
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Posted: 2/24/2006 8:22:56 AM | mwnci...
For once you are right, I do agree with you... age is no indicator of wisdom...
But hey, when you have finished your homework and mom lets you out to play..
maybe you could skip along to the debating club and raise the matter.
Nom
(I actually think you are quite bright...but its fun teasing) | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 11:10:56 AM | 1.right to buy for council owned houses thus giving people a bit of pride in their environment 2: put taxes up to bring interest rates down that was a good thing i was paying £600,£700,then £750 monthly payments when the consevatives were in power,after re mortgaging my home my payment are still half of those figures 3;local labour council started spending money on the less affluent areas around where i live,instead of where all the footballers live in south manchester....now that conservatives are back in, guess what!!!??? they are all corrupt the whole lot of them,so i am not overly impressed....by the way it was John Major that started the peace proccess in Northern Ireland ,fair play to him... Clinton jumped on the band waggon on his way out of office... | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 11:33:51 AM | | ^^^there is a party/festival to be held when that thatcher dies i for one will be there to raise a glass what she did to the working classes in this country was near treason.this is when the Great got took out of great britain and sold to thehighest bidder or one of her cronies....when the miner strikes were on you could not even get to work (if you lived or worked near a colliery )as the police set up road blocks to stop suspected protesters from getting to a picket line...hmmm...freedom of speech...we have never known it...i have heard so many similar tales of lads travelling from manchester to yorkshire to be stopped at the time and sent back where they come from or got a kicking or arrested.pppfft stick in my throat "freedom of speech""equality" didnt no the meaning of those words in the 80,s...the said same twat who took a very hard line in N.I. especially when her best friend airee neave was assassinated,it became impossible to live there for just about everyone...not long now who wants to raise a toast? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 12:30:26 PM | Thanks for your post, Tricky, just need to correct a couple of things. The PM responsible for the right to buy council houses was Maggie, sorry, but thanks for pointing one of her benefits to you. Putting up taxes doesn't necessarily lead to lower interest rates,and, don't forget, Tony was only in control of interest rates for less than 24 hours. He gave it over to the central bank. Thirdly, your local council is nothing to do with Tony.
Whilst I have no problem with you chaps telling us all how much you hate Maggie and the Tories, those views should be on another thread called "Thatcher - Tw*t or What?" This one is an invitation to tell me what Tony's achievements are. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:39:23 PM | | my mistake about the right to buy,i stand corrected .cheers gary....what did tony do for me,hhhmmm...i think we will have to wait till his book tour with clinton before we realise.....everything falls under the labour banner,better to ask what NEW labour did for us?its hard to point to one singular thing he did,as it all comes down to a party vote.tryed to get the rule brittania thing going same time as all that Brit pop polarvor(spelling,*shrugs*)remember the union flags being raised..try doing it now!...ooo ooo got one now i like his music so dont jump all over me,but he made that k-nob Phil Collins leave the country,he is one of the most arrogant-poe-faced twats to bang on a set of drums "why should i pay more tax than anyone else" was his comment...switzerland you are most welcome... | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 3:14:54 PM | | Fair comment, Tricky, but don't forget, we now earn nothing from Phil's extensive earnings, just because his tax bill was too high. I'm no fan of his music, but it never interfered with my life. However, if you lived next door to him, and his music was ruining your life, then surely you can thank Tony for improving that aspect of your life? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 3:25:57 PM | I had a good long think on this question and I came up with only one answer:
He hasn't blown the country up yet.
Does that count? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 3:31:30 PM | | No, cos it's a negative, plus you forgot the other two.Or are you finding it as difficult as I did? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 3:42:01 PM | The 2nd gulf war. If it were not for Tony siding with George Dubya I would not have the job I have now, so in that respect improvement.
But as for any others I am hard pressed to find them. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 3:45:46 PM | | I thought it was a positive, otherwise where would I live if the country had been blown up? It may be a **** pile this country, but it's my **** pile. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 3:50:02 PM | | Yeeees, I get your point, and of course we're all grateful to Tony for not killing us all. However, I want to know three things he HAS done to improve your life directly. Take your time, it seems to be foxing a lot of people, including me. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:30:10 PM | | Gary....i didn`t miss your point...and sorry about only posting now...it`s friday, and i been on the piss...and once i got writing well...i kinda got carried away | |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 2:37:40 AM | Bacchus, no problem on either your main post or the delay in further responses. There's no rush, unless fish imposes time limits. I enjoyed reading your post, and, don't forget, I did specifically ask for your opinions on another thread.
As for this thread, you may appreciate that people are having problems with providing the requested answers. One guy even resorted to telling us how Maggie had improved his life, although I think it was unintentional!
In five hundred years time, I have a fair idea what people will think of Tony's premiership and how it affected the world. The whole point of this excercise is for you to tell me how he improved the lives of his citizens, those who entrusted him with overseeing their well-being and prosperity. My first post may have been jocular, but I really can't think of anything he has done which directly benefitted me. I can, however, think of lots of things he has done to my detriment, but this is not the place to air those.
Looking forward to a full weekend of sport with perhaps a couple of beers along the way. Cheers! | |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 5:49:50 AM | | ^^hiya gary,suppose the brit pop thing was to hand onto the likes of oasis blur ect,s tax returns,when labour first got in there was a freshness i had never felt previously,labour got in locally stopped all the nepotism that had blighted the area for years...imposing the three strikes and your out put a halt to burglaries round our way.Suddenly these scrotes were finding jobs.there was a lot of enterprise for hard working people,tax came down by 1% suddenly i had more money in my pocket and i wanted to spend it in this country,instead of talking about re-education i now could afford to go college as i now earned enough to make the time,(not having to do as much overtime).i no you dont like nvq,s but thats all there is available to me,i,m old school and would love to of done the old c&guilds,all my study was city and guilds information.they dont suddenly reprint new books,plus the fact rather than choosing to do the minimum part 1,and either part 2 or 3 ,i just did the lot to show competence to the city and guilds assesor.Your right that nvq,s are a joke you dont learn half enough....health and safety has improved dramatically over the past 8 or9 years (used to work in the construction industry for14yrs) proper facilities i.e. washing,toilets electricity!!!proper break times,cleaner,security,drying rooms,p.p.e.,and other safety equipment,method statement,and other protocol....accidents and injuries have dropped ,training has improved-CITB(CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY TRAINING BOARD;CORGI;WRASW;ACS;ect...)...up until six years ago you could not do anything on a site without a certificate of competence so that is one plus ....now i am clutching at straws a bit to find anything decent to say about Tony you,ve truly got me in a pickle,at the end of the day he is a politician,and they can all be kept in contempt,so much spin these days..... | |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 4:57:13 AM | I get your point about what NVQ 's mean to you , Tricky, and how that it all that was available to you. If people make an effort to get on in life, no matter where they start from or end up, that is a huge plus both to them and society in general. As for one-site safety, any improvements have to be a plus. Has crime reduced in your area? Obviously I am pleased for you and your neighbours, cos we all want zero crime statistics, but I don't consider early release and tagging schemes to have much effect. The last figures showed a reoffence rate of over 90%.
Although the basic rate fell after 1997, our tax has risen in so many other ways (stealth taxes). You may recall the rise in NI contributions which Gordy said was only a 1% rise from 10% to 11%, but of course it was really a 10% rise. Naughty of him to lie to us! Look at rises in the taxes on your beer, fags, petrol, TV licence, all of which reduce your spending power. We now give nearly half our income to the Government, which is a disgrace.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, and post more if you come up with anything else. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 5:02:19 PM | 3 things I've benefitted from during the current Prime Ministers term
1) Improved school gradings for schools, easier access to information pertaining to the schools and their performance.
2) Making it easier to find childminders, and supplements to help pay for said childminders upon return to work.
3) And the minimum wage - came while I was working as a waitress for around £2.50 ph. For whatever alterior motives or reasons, it was welcome at the time.
Do these qualify Garyzac?
Bacchus, I agree totally in regard to wages within the catering trade, while I was working as a waitress I landed a job earning 16K a year (unfortunately this was because they took the tips) whereas my boyfriend at the time was a chef and had his 706/3 was earning 12K... It is a trade sorely unappreciated as the general public do not realise the preperation time spent in the kitchen, and only think of the time the establishment is open to them. | |
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