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The reason they dont want credit card tips (in my opinion) is because the establisment pays a percentage fee to the Credit card proccessor.
I have to wonder if banks do the same thing with their debit machines in businesses. I do the majority of my business by debit, so if it ever comes where I see a sign in my salon or a restaurant that states they prefer tips to be paid in cash, that is where the server WILL lose out, because when I tip, it is through the debit machine.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 6:27:03 PM |
Has anyone ever heard of REQUIRED tipping?
I've been to a variety of hotels through business trips and had similar, unexpected "self-tipping " moments.
I ordered dinner to my room but was told that they dont deliver to the room. I was to pick it up in the restaurant and eat there or take it back to my room. No problem thats fine.. 20 minutes later theres a knock at my door and the waiter is there. He said it was slow downstairs so he brought it up for me. How kind of him. I gave him a $20 for the meal and planned to give a tip from the change when I noticed that he kept back some change already. I didnt say anything about it, but I thought that was very inconsiderate to assume he can keep back some of it. In fact, I could foresee a person viewing that as, not taking an assumed tip, but an attempt to rip-off or short change a customer fraudulently.
Another hotel I was at, adds 15% gratuitary to your bill when you check-out. They just add it to the total whether you plan to tip or not.
The bill is covered by the company I work for, so it wasn't my place to say anything.. however if I was to be the one paying for it, I would politely tell them to take it the hell off the bill and I will give gratuitary where I see fit. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 8:27:38 PM | | In Calgary, there is a Vietnamese restaurant who charges a 15% tip on you bill. They have a sign to remind their customers for that charge. I guess if they don't like it they can leave for another restaurant. But since people already walked in there, they usually stayed, but to return again, I don't know. It is not the tipping itself but it is when the amount of tipping because mandatory it is rude. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 10:21:35 PM | ^^^I would be one to simply walk out of the restaurant, AFTER informing the manager why I was doing so. I do tip in restaurants, however it is my choice if I do and what amount. Generally if the food and service are lousy and I know I wont be going back, I tip nothing. If the service and food is mediocre, I tip 10%, normal food and service gets 15% and extraordinary food and service gets 20%.
I would just like to see employers pay their staff a decent wage and do away with the expectation of tipping. My friend lives in Australia and for the most part tipping is not expected or done widely over there. Her daughter was a waitress there and made a starting wage of $9. It's a whole different mindset over in Australia and I have to say, one I admire.
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JJBoy
| | Joined: 10/29/2005
Msg: 30 | |
| Required Tipping???
Posted: 2/27/2006 6:34:53 AM | | you shouldnt have to tip for a manicure, a meal maybe then its 10%, but not a manicure, damn your already payin $85 bucks to get your nails polished, I say look at it this way the materials they use would only cost them a few dollars, so say minus $15 your left with $70, and now it takes say 1/2hr to an hour to get your nails done, so your paying them $140 per hour if your manicure only took 1/2hr, so next time you get confronted for a tip, ask them what bonus you get thrown in with your over-priced shitty job they done on your nails. or just ask them if they would like you to leave a pint of blood at door when you leave. | |
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JJBoy
| | Joined: 10/29/2005
Msg: 31 | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 6:39:16 AM | | Heres a tip next time your in a place where it is supposably required to tip, when you go to leave and they ask or are expecting a tip, just say this to them...I have a tip for you!!!! Go home and call your mother and tell her you love her!!!!! then walk off.... | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 7:24:14 AM |
damn your already payin $85 bucks to get your nails polished,
 Not sure where you get your nails done... but the day I pay $85 to get my manicure is the day I make an appt. with a psychiatrist. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 8:42:27 AM | JJBoy: this Mom thanks you!! In reponse to "I've got a tip for you"... We used to say, "wear your rubbers in the rain", but that has a whole new connotation now doesn't it...
Once, a hundred or so years ago I went out with co-workers for drinks.
I paid my tab, tipped, then we all decided to have one more drink.
Almost didn't, 'cause I had just a little cash left.
So, I ordered one more. The bartendress got huffy because I didn't have much of a tip.
I appologized. She called her manager!! They were rude to me and yet, I'd already tipped her nicely on the first tab. HUHH?
As for nails, thou, I might leave scratch marks on her door frame. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 9:14:48 AM |
I have to wonder if banks do the same thing with their debit machines in businesses. I do the majority of my business by debit, so if it ever comes where I see a sign in my salon or a restaurant that states they prefer tips to be paid in cash, that is where the server WILL lose out, because when I tip, it is through the debit machine.
debit machine also do cost a business per transaction, not a percentage of the swipe. The cost for that can be 8-50 cents per swipe, depending on the deal the business has with their processor. It should not matter if you tip on debit machines because whether you tip or not, the transaction fee doesn't change. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 11:47:13 AM | i only tip if the deserve it.
This is why I loved austrailia so much.. Tipping is not expected at all | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 3:33:36 PM | $85 may seem like alot, but I got a manicure and a spa pedicure, which is more then the regular. Also, keep in mind that I live right outside of NYC, so EVERYTHING seems more expensive...However, I still spent $85 in that place! I could have spent nothing.
Tipping isn't a custom in Europe either. Americans tip in Europe, because they tip here. But Europeans aren't tippers. It seems to be just over here, America/Canada.
I tip accordingly. I have worked in MANY fields where you are earning tips or commission. The better job you do, the more money you make. The worse you do, the less you make. If you can't make a tips/commission job work out, then GET A NEW JOB! | |
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Garf
| | Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 37 | |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 3:37:00 PM |
In Calgary, there is a Vietnamese restaurant who charges a 15% tip on you bill. They have a sign to remind their customers for that charge.
Considering it's considered an insult in Viet Nam to tip...that's pretty ignorant. I'd point it out to the owner and leave without tipping.
It's called a gratuity for a reason.
Gotta admit though, Pho is pretty f*cking good shit. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2006 3:17:04 PM | | I was in the hair business for a long time and I've got to say that is just a bunch of horse shit. I'd be looking for another shop if I were you. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2006 8:15:14 PM | In school, we were told, if you expect a tip, you aren't charging enough. When I get my hair done or get a massage, I look at the situation. Are they in business for themselves, or are they an employee? If they are an employee, some, if not much of their fee goes to the business and I am more than happy to give them a tip. If they are in business for themselves, they should be charging what they feel they deserve and I usually won't leave a tip.
But required tipping??? Its a gratuity, something that out of the goodness of someones heart, they are giving you, it should never be expected. (As a waitress though, its hard to have busted your butt for someone and not be left anything.) | |
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Posted: 9/11/2006 9:19:04 PM | I dont have my nails done but I did at one time...
far as I know... nail salons are much like hair salons and yes... tipping is
required unless the owner is doing the work.
15% is customary... ( minimum) far as I know. 20% if you ask for a certain person
to do the nails or hair.
required tipping... in other words, the people doing the nails are not being paid minimum wage
and tips are supposed to make up the rest.
would be a suc azz job if you ask me. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2006 10:13:37 PM | | errrr that boils my bloody, i tip when the service is good, tipping is like a way to ensure good service. If the service is poor my waitress barber etc knows by the crappy tip they recieve. Anywhere that is pompous enough to demand tips before giving a service, well i just woudlnt take my business there. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2006 6:00:00 AM | OP, seems like the service was bad enough, but for the manager to follow you out and tell you that you didn't tip enough? THAT is beyond acceptable behavior ~ that alone would have convinced me not to go back.
My tipping philosophy is simple. When the person, be it waiter/ess, cab driver ~ whoever ~ either fulfills the duties of their job in an efficient and genuinely pleasant manner, or if they go above and beyond their job, I'll tip. Having been in a job once where I got tips, I tend to overtip. I also don't punish the waitress for something that's not her fault, like bad food, slow to be served food etc. But if the food is excellent and the service sucked? No tip for you. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2006 7:02:22 AM | Tipping and gratuities are NEVER required. That's what the price is. Even in restaurants that add a service charge to the bill, that is voluntary even though they make it sound like you have to pay.
It's a sad thing in this culture where what used to be a thankyou gift is now expected. Especially if the service was mediocre or poor. Also sad that wages are intentionally kept low by the employers who expect the customer to pick up the slack.
In Singapore (and other Asian countries as well) tipping is an officially discouraged practice and illegal in any government facility (like the airport) And despite that, the quality of service there is far superior to North America. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2006 8:55:46 AM | If the manager makes a habit of running after people asking for tip money like that, I wonder how they stay in business
I'm lucky, the girl I go to is closeby, I always walk in, never have to wait and she does a nice job
I went yesterday and I love my pink toenails :) | |
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Posted: 9/12/2006 2:00:19 PM | I feel you should only tip someone, because you want to. Tipping is an extra in
my book. To me, it is saying a thank you, and saying you liked the service.
I have also seen some signs posted in restanrants, saying you are required to
pay a gratuity.
Does anyone here know if this is against the law in the US? | |
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:42:49 PM | I can see this is an old thread, but I have to make my contribution. I've spent some time in Japan, and it's totally a non-tipping culture. Like, they will look at you funny when you try to tip them and adamantly refuse anything extra you try to offer. It's just not done.
You might think without tips, there's no incentive for anyone to provide good service, but ANY service you'll receive in Japan is amazing. Gas stations, for example, are pretty much all full service, and they do EVERYTHING. Fill the gas, wash the windows and lights (all of them), wipe down the outside of the car (by hand), check and fill your tires, oil, and god-knows-what other fluids under the hood. They'll take your payment right from your car AND bring back exact change, then on your way out, the gas jockey will watch for oncoming traffic and wave you off when it's safe to drive away.
Because there's NO tips, everyone receives the same level of service, regardless of being rich or poor. The rich douche bags are deprived of the opportunity to flaunt their wealth, and the less-well-off don't have to deal with the shame of not having enough money to afford a decent tip.
I'm not saying we should all be like the Japanese and just not tip, tipping has become a part of western culture, and the fact of the matter is you look like a cheap **stard if you don't tip, or don't tip enough, but if you've received crappy service, your tip, or lack of tip is a subtle way to let your server know. Servers guilting customers or withholding services for insufficient tipping is flat out rude - more so than customers not tipping. Tips should be up to the customer, not the server. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2006 3:07:43 AM | For the most part it seems that the posters on this thread are either against the idea of forced tipping, or against the idea of tipping in general. Since I so much enjoy going against the grain, I won't be shy about my views here.
What about a server in a restaurant? Some people say that their wage is plenty, and that tips are meant to be just extra in their pockets. Some people even have the gripe to be jealous/insulting when they find out a server has had a good night and brought home $150.00 or so in tips alone for 8 hours of work. I have been a server in low to higher class restaurants. My wage alone was never enough to justify the hard work that's done in this field. Usually, these people earn minimum wage, whatever that is in your area. That is not nearly enough to validate the difficulty of this line of work, but the good servers just make it look easy to the untrained eye.
What most people don't realize is, many restaurants also force servers to tip their cooks/bartenders out at the end of the shift. So, if a server sells $500 worth of food and $300 worth of alchohol in a shift(which would probably be considered a slow shift), he/she is forced to pay anywhere between $10-$40 between the two 'tipouts'. If no one has tipped that server today, that server is going to have to pay to be at work!
I worked at one restaurant where a forced tipping policy was put in place after I complained about certain things that happen. In fact, I've seen this become a trend in my area and I'm pretty sure that I was the cause of this. That feels kinda cool. Anyway, this forced tip applied to bigger groups only, 8 or more people to be exact, 15% of the entire bill was a forced gratuity. In large groups, one of two possibilities happens. Option A) one person is paying the whole bill. If this happens, that person will tip generously for THEIR meal, but not take into account everyone else's as well. So, they give you a $10 tip, more than enough to justify the service that one person got, but the total bill is, say, $250. So that server is getting about a 4% tip, no good, because now this server is actually going to lose money because of the 'tipouts'. Option B) Everyone gets split bills, and all tip low (around $1.00 for their meal and drinks) because they see everyone else tipping and justify to themselves that this server is going to make way to much money from this table. In other words, each person sees tip change coming out on the table in hoards, and a bunch of quarters and $1.00 bills/coins looks like alot more than, say a single $20 bill at a quick glance, but really it isn't. I've even seen people from tables like this "make change" for themselves using the tip money offered from others, and some will pocket others' tip change after doing so, which in my opinion is theft.
In the end, workers who rely on tips to justify their line of work have no choice but to do so. The establishment they are employed at cannot justify a worthy hourly wage for these workers, so it is left in the hands of the consumer. Without these tips, alot of these types of businesses would have no staff, and that's a great way to ensure less than prompt service the next time you go there, lol. Unfortunately, consumers feel that it is fair for themselves to allocate a percentage for tip, meanwhile the consumer is more ignorant than anyone about what is happening for them and the entire process of their visit - kind of the same way that they cling to the 'the customer is always right' bullcrap ideology. They are usually wrong, and know it, when they try to use this phrase in a debate with staff.
This is why a small tip is an insult, but only an insult if the service was prompt and good. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2006 5:40:53 AM |
So I get up to leave and the manager follows me outside, asking to speak with me. She said, "You didn't satisfy their service today?" I said, "I didn't satisfy THEIR service?" I thought I'd misunderstood her. She said that's correct. She asked if there was something wrong with the job they did. I told her, "Well, since you ask, they put the wrong color on my nails, they've gotten messed up because they weren't allowed to dry long enough, and I got shorted on my massage, (They give a free shoulder massage as you dry your nails) to start, why?" She proceeded to tell me that my tip wasn't enough. That they require a certain percentage and that I didn't meet that. I told her that I just gave her $85 dollars in business plus the tip, and she wants MORE money from me? I asked her if it was a suggested amount or required, and she told me it was required! I asked her how much more money they wanted from me, after what I just spent, and she said the minimum. I said okay, and turned around leaving her standing there looking about as dumb as she sounded.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Go OP! Nice job. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2007 3:26:21 PM | "This is why a small tip is an insult, but only an insult if the service was prompt and good. "
-So let's say the service is only ok, the server only gave a half hearted effort to please you. The food/drinks are mediocre. Should I still be "required" to tip out 15% ???
In that case I would usually tip between 5-10% which is fair enough considering the average service/food. That 5% is enough for the tip outs and a small portion for the server. She is still receiving more than everyone else in the establishment.
In many restaurants the server is forced to tip out 5% of her total sales: 1% to hostess, 2% bartender, 2% kitchen. This leaves them 10% on average. I find it very annoying to hear servers whine about their tips, when 99% of the time they are still making more than all of the other staff who are working just as hard (even harder if they are cooks).
I should not feel inclined to supplement the income of someone who works for another establishment. I've worked in the restauratn industry while going to school, and never did I look at it as a career. If I did, I surely wouldn't expect to be well paid for a job that requires minimal skills and training. For someone to make $100+ a night in tips to bring food to a table seems outrageous. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2007 3:56:32 PM | K, here is the deal with me, if a beer comes to $5+ I always tip @ $10 a hit.
Any restaurant I tip @ 25%+
Hotels, 10% | |
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