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 certified male

Joined: 12/2/2004
Msg: 26
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 9:46:28 AM
Do you wear leather shoes or do you try to keep synthetic?"

I wear leather shoes and I have a sheepskin coat.....sheep are slaughtered for food and the skin is used for clothing...the leather used to make my shoes is probably cowhide so that animal is used for food as well...I am not against the killing of animals if they are used to benefit us with as little waste as possible but the pups are only harvested for their skin...
 grog27

Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 27
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 10:06:17 AM
".meanwhile, over in Iraq, the killing goes on.
Just a touch of hypocrisy here.


not all all...I don't support the terrorist/insurgent's killing of civilians ......

and if you don't have a comment relating to the thread why do you even bother.."


It's completely relevant to the thread. Just pointing out the inconsistency of so many people whining about the seal hunt (which 99.9 percent of people don't know anything about, as far as procedures, etc.) when, at the same time, they're probably chowing down on chicken and beef which was raised and slaughtered in less-than-humane conditions.


"I wear leather shoes and I have a sheepskin coat.....sheep are slaughtered for food and the skin is used for clothing...the leather used to make my shoes is probably cowhide so that animal is used for food as well...I am not against the killing of animals if they are used to benefit us with as little waste as possible but the pups are only harvested for their skin..."

This is TOO rich! Talk about using semantics and hair-splitting to justify one's argument!!!
Unless someone is a strict vegetarian or, preferably, vegan, then they have no business protesting the seal hunt. Even then, it's highly dubious. Unless you've walked in those people's shoes....
 The Anti-Date

Joined: 8/29/2005
Msg: 28
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 10:07:50 AM
Oh for goodness sake, people have making a living from the seal hunt for a very long time, the seals aren't near extinction and there is a market for the pelts. Our country has a lot to be grateful for from the trappers and hunters of the time when Canada was being settled.

This is an emotional issue because someone was bright enough to capture the seal hunt on film, sparking outrage that animals that look like they should be cuddled up to were being bonked on the head for their fur.

What would the anti-seal hunt protesters propose to do for those families that wouldn't have an income if the hunt was banned? There is no real harm being done. The seals are killed for a resource (whether we eat it or not, what's the difference?) and they are not tortured. A hunter is the least likely to be torturing animals - it's their income! Putting themselves in the position of being arrested for going about their business is not a wise decision.

I don't condone torturing animals and think it is the sign of a very sick person however the seal hunt isn't torture. How much outrage would there be if we were to witness what happens in a slaughterhouse? We have to eat right? No one is condeming farmers for raising cattle just to be killed.

Personally it isn't how I would want to make a living but I certainly wouldn't stand in the way of those who do. Perhaps all of the celebrities, Mr McCartney included, could start a charity to support those families that would have no income without the seal hunt.
 The Anti-Date

Joined: 8/29/2005
Msg: 29
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 10:20:01 AM

Logic....?


Why risk losing your way of making a living? It's illegal.

I'd like to know where you get your stats, because I've make a point of researching the subject before I made up my mind about it. Bludgeoned or shot, if the animal dies instantly what is the difference? And skinned alive??? Where did you find that??

Have never heard of HSUS, can you expand on that for us unenlightened?

It's seal pups or people making a living - since when have animals become more important than people???
 Jelica

Joined: 7/4/2005
Msg: 30
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 10:21:29 AM
I totally agree, Canada's Seal Hunt is their business and no so call celebrity can come here and tell us WHAT TO DO!!!!!!!!!! We kill cattle every day, for meat and shoes etc. even the cute little calves for meat. This is Newfoundlands heritage, and one up for them, Stay away so called celebrities that want more publicity for what ever. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
 Destryridesagain

Joined: 1/8/2006
Msg: 31
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 11:03:35 AM
I do think it's a shame,but,if it's banned,then it becomes a black market attraction,and then the only ones doing it will be the criminals that could really care less about the suffering of the animals...
I'm not saying that there aren't people like that already,but i'm sure it would be much worse if it were made illigal, then there would be people killing people in order too do it....I think...

Anyway,i dont think it will be,cause theres too much money to be made from it,and thats a sad fact of life.....
 brah

Joined: 12/23/2005
Msg: 32
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 11:06:59 AM
The hunt is brutal and there is no justified reason to have these hunts go on.

Those who would Hijack this thread to attack the War in Iraq or bash Bush, well just ignore them as they show their ignorance by not being able to stay on topic.
 Babylonia

Joined: 1/27/2005
Msg: 33
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 11:10:43 AM

I do think it's a shame,but,if it's banned,then it becomes a black market attraction,and then the only ones doing it will be the criminals that could really care less about the suffering of the animals...
I'm not saying that there aren't people like that already,but i'm sure it would be much worse if it were made illigal, then there would be people killing people in order too do it....I think...

Anyway,i dont think it will be,cause theres too much money to be made from it,and thats a sad fact of life.....


Very true. :(

There IS something we can do about it. There obviously is a market for it - so affect that market. And/or we can do the next best thing - farm seals and find a more humane way to kill them.
 brah

Joined: 12/23/2005
Msg: 34
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 11:13:33 AM
If people stopped the desire demand for Fur it would be a huge step to stopping the need for these seal hunts. Of course it will be years and surely not in my lifetime before it would even be possible.
 The Anti-Date

Joined: 8/29/2005
Msg: 35
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 11:20:27 AM
The cruelties of the hunt
In 2001, an international team of independent veterinarians observed the Canadian Seal Hunt. In their report, the team concluded that:

42% of seals were skinned alive
79% of the sealers failed to check whether the animals were dead before they began to skin them
40% of the seals had to be clubbed twice or were shot because they were still conscious after the first blow or the first shot.


Actually there was a 'probability' that they were alive. Those were examined post mortem and while a lot of information can be gained from that it is not 100% accurate.

I have visited the websites you have mentioned; there are a lot of half truths and opinions masquerading as facts.


- A Humane Hunt

* Numerous organizations have studied the hunting methods used in the Canadian seal hunt and they have found them to be humane.
* The hunting methods presently used were studied by the Royal Commission on Seals and Sealing in Canada and they found that the clubbing of seals, when properly performed is at least as humane as, and often more humane than, the killing methods used in commercial slaughterhouses, which are accepted by the majority of the public.
* Methods used to kill seals in Canada were found to be generally more humane than the shooting of animals for sport. The Commission also found that no methods of killing which have come to their notice, other than clubbing or shooting, achieve acceptable standards of humaneness.


http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/misc/seal_briefing_e.htm

It's not like the hunt hasn't been studied, not like it isn't regulated, not like there aren't controls in place to protect the seals. You have yet to convince me that there are large quantities of seals being tortured to death. Your research is selective and biased.
 Hezron

Joined: 12/15/2005
Msg: 36
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 11:26:10 AM
The original question as to how can you be so upset over the seal when you condone the slaughtering of human beings is completely on topic. The questions boils down to you protest the action on the basis that it is cruel...a person on this side then has a right to question your definition of cruel etc as it apllies to anything...so if you argue can't you seehow cruel and inhuman this is...well the people you are throwing stones are are obviously going to be confused when they know your government is involved in the direct slaughterof human beings to collect a resource......
 Babylonia

Joined: 1/27/2005
Msg: 37
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 11:45:18 AM

The original question as to how can you be so upset over the seal when you condone the slaughtering of human beings is completely on topic. The questions boils down to you protest the action on the basis that it is cruel...a person on this side then has a right to question your definition of cruel etc as it apllies to anything...so if you argue can't you seehow cruel and inhuman this is...well the people you are throwing stones are are obviously going to be confused when they know your government is involved in the direct slaughterof human beings to collect a resource......


That was not the original question and we cannot be turning every thread in here into an another abortion thread.

We have two - and that is already being generous. Any more abortion-related threads, or any threadjacking of other topics, will be deleted on the spot.
 canadianbakeun

Joined: 1/9/2006
Msg: 38
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:00:17 PM
i just don't understand why they can't shoot them....why do they have to beat the snot out of 'em?...is it personal?....and why in the hell don't the little fellers...haul a*s when they see a big 'ol canuck coming at 'em with a club....they know was up....as soon as i see a big mfer coming at me with a club i paint f*ck y*u on the back of my shoes and giddy up....
 certified male

Joined: 12/2/2004
Msg: 39
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:00:37 PM
This is TOO rich! Talk about using semantics and hair-splitting to justify one's argument!"

it is nothing of the sort grog.....each of us draw a line to what we choose to be acceptable.....
 Hezron

Joined: 12/15/2005
Msg: 40
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:02:15 PM
and who was talking about abortion?
 Babylonia

Joined: 1/27/2005
Msg: 41
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:11:42 PM
The original question as to how can you be so upset over the seal when you condone the slaughtering of human beings is completely on topic.


This is standard (quite classic) rhetoric and wording for two of the major topics beng discussed alongside this thread right now - namely, abortion.

Please explain who, and how so, are people condoning the slaughter of 'innocent' people, and how that relates to harp seal culling? Where, how, and to whom are you referring?
 Hezron

Joined: 12/15/2005
Msg: 42
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:17:59 PM
My apologies...I was not refering to abortion at all. My topic point was simply this. Imagine a Canadian Seal hunter being reprimanded for cruelty in the way he collects his resource from somebody who is pro killing people to collect another resource...that being oil. My slaughter was in reference to Iraq. And if you think that is off topic in the consideration of the morality of killing seals well then you lost me.
 brah

Joined: 12/23/2005
Msg: 43
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:19:22 PM

My apologies...I was not refering to abortion at all. My topic point was simply this. Imagine a Canadian Seal hunter being reprimanded for cruelty in the way he collects his resource from somebody who is pro killing people to collect another resource...that being oil. My slaughter was in reference to Iraq. And if you think that is off topic in the consideration of the morality of killing seals well then you lost me.


This thread has nothing to do with the Iraq War it's on the Seal Pup Hunt. Not everything has to do with the Iraq War, please get real.
 Babylonia

Joined: 1/27/2005
Msg: 44
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:24:02 PM
No problem, Hezron. Trigger words, 'tis all. Was afraid another thread would get swallowed.

I'll reserve judgement on the Iraq comparison. No 'innocents' are being sought out to be killed in Iraq, IMO, and non are killed in the name of fashion.

Bush is doing it for oil.
 Hezron

Joined: 12/15/2005
Msg: 45
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:31:20 PM
The war analogy is quite relevant. The start of this thread said that the Canadian Seal hunt was "Disgusting" and it needed to be stopped. So we have a discourse on the better merits of morals etc...and I not that some of the people slinging the mud are American. It is very on point then to point out a moral hypocracy. To me the Americans putting down the hunt because it is cruel is ridiculous. In grog terms...hit seal with club...bad. Drop bomb on baby...good!!!!!!! That is the only point. And for the record...I never buy fur...I don't think it is needed. But we show the baby seals being killed and of course people get upset...but we are never allowed to first hand witness what our military actions result in...that coverage must be sanitized so people can still sit back and think they are moral. Innocents are always killed in war. We need oil to make money...innocents will be killed...tough break but ok...A guy out in newgfoundland clubs a seal for his economic interest and moral outrage!!!!!!!!!!!! Yikes...Grog back to cave now
 brah

Joined: 12/23/2005
Msg: 46
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:34:04 PM

The war analogy is quite relevant. The start of this thread said that the Canadian Seal hunt was "Disgusting" and it needed to be stopped. So we have a discourse on the better merits of morals etc...and I not that some of the people slinging the mud are American. It is very on point then to point out a moral hypocracy. To me the Americans putting down the hunt because it is cruel is ridiculous. In grog terms...hit seal with club...bad. Drop bomb on baby...good!!!!!!! That is the only point. And for the record...I never buy fur...I don't think it is needed.


The Seal Pup Hunt and the Iraq War are not the same thing lol.
 Hezron

Joined: 12/15/2005
Msg: 47
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 12:41:21 PM
You are right one is morally righteous...one is "Disgusting" Way to go human race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Grog back in cave
 certified male

Joined: 12/2/2004
Msg: 48
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 1:37:50 PM
You are right one is morally righteous...one is "Disgusting"

do the seal pups wear suicide vests or do the rig cars to blow up in civilian areas?
 grog27

Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 49
Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:39:10 PM
"The Seal Pup Hunt and the Iraq War are not the same thing lol."

Well, well, well. Nice to see that you're not COMPLETELY dim!!
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 50
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Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:37:19 PM
Canada allows the cruel killing of seal pups for their pelts

Blah-blah ... Canada also allows the cruel killing of Cattle for meat and leather ...

This Issue has been long and thoroughly studied by the Gov't to the tune of millions, hiring the very best experts in the field.

In short, its previous Federal Protections have caused severe Seal over-population where even they are depleting fish-stocks by over-consumption and will shortly be on the verge of Starvation themselves.

What then? You're gonna run out there and feed them?
Ya ... keyboard philosophers ...

I do not compare Animals with Humans, the former not even cognizant of any codes of conduct unless taught by Man. I have no sympathy for pigs about to be slaughtered, not a shred of remorse for fowl on the chopping block, unless the animals are mistreated or forced to live in wretched conditions.

I feel for the shot Moose, but only if its species are threatened with extinction. I like 'Bambi', but I'll also gladly have another full plate serving of it.

The Bear is hunted for both meat, its fur and body parts. Where a Bear is killed for the fur and body-parts only, I take deep offence to that, as do the Gov'ts regulations.

But I cannot say I feel the same for an extremely over-bred Seal population which is hunted for its fur and that species on the verge of Starvation.
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