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Ooli
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Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 77 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 2:59:37 PM | Pablo: Killing the white coats...or baby seals...has been outlawed since the 80's. It is my understanding, according to reputable Canadian news reports that I've seen, that the inflammatory footage the McCartney's used is old footage. They are deliberately misleading people.
A government sanctioned hunt for adult and juvenile seals does take place every year. This is done to prevent starvation in the seal populations and to stop the spread of disease. This hunt takes place, whether there is a market for the meat and pelts or not.
EDIT: Haven't heard of the Beluga Act...but perhaps it is worth a read. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 3:16:48 PM | thanks devoe.
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Sorry, it was called the "Beluga Protection Regulations". 1962. But I haven't been able to find the actual document itself.
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 4:58:13 PM | Mother nature will take care of the seals if they become over populated. I like how people try and come across like the government is doing these seals a favour. At least in the wild, these seals are have a chance at life, whether they will make it or not shouldn't be up to man. I realize that if it were stopped people would be out of work. So? People lose their jobs all the time, the government doesn;t care about Joe blow workin at the car factory,or the steel mill, but a few thousand fishermen, yeah lets protect them. I am ashamed to be Canadian, thats right, ashamed. Maybe they wouldn't be out of work had they not overfished? Hmmm, you can't expect to rob the earth and then blame it on another marin creature.
People tend to get stupid and say no one would care if they looked like rats, perhaps some people wouldn't care, but the people that do care tend to care about other animal rights as well, raccoons, mink, zoo animals, whatever. I dunno, I just find it absurd seeing grown men and women going after these seals who by no means are afraid, they go right up to them and then they get smashed. It makes me wonder what type of human could do that. And please, stop thinking that people who care abut animl rights are hippy's, if im not mistaken, weren't hippy's all for free love and peace, I am not sure they were active in animal rights. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 5:25:06 PM | Mother nature will take care of the seals if they become over populated. I like how people try and come across like the government is doing these seals a favour. At least in the wild, these seals are have a chance at life, whether they will make it or not shouldn't be up to man.
Yes, Mother Nature would inflict Starvation & Disease upon them to curb its Population.
Whether that is any better or worse than Man trimming the populous is debatable, but would definitely be more 'Humane' in that there would be far less suffering, the living ones leading better lives, as disease is absent, food in Okie-doke supply.
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 5:35:22 PM |
Yes, Mother Nature would inflict Starvation & Disease upon them to curb its Population.
Whether that is any better or worse than Man trimming the populous is debatable, but would definitely be more 'Humane' in that there would be far less suffering, the living ones leading better lives, as disease is absent, food is Okie-doke supply.
But the point is, the earth takes care of things her way, no need for man to intervene. I dunno how its more humane, these seals are young, survival of the fittest, the young ones that make it are fit to survive and the ones that don't make it weren't meant to, just as the old ones and the sick ones die off, it produces a stronger population. The ones that die end up in the food chain, feeding the predators and the scavengers and the cycle of life continues. I don't see people killing the starving people of the world to do them a favour and end their misery. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 5:38:48 PM | I'm against it. Killing an animal just for it's pelt is morally wrong in my books.
My li'l sis from the Netherlands sent me this fantastic Dutch ad against the hunt last year.
It was a picture of snow, with a maple leaf formed with blood and flesh upon it.
I sent a copy to the PM's office, and asked " Is this really how you want to have the world see us ? "
Did it change anything ?
Absolutely not. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 5:39:46 PM | Anyone ever see a woman wear a diamond but refuese to wear a fur? The media doesn't always give an accurate portrayal of suffereing now does it?
"Mother Nature" owes what good health she has in this day and age to the practices of logical game management more than anything else. It always amazes me how "environmentalists" lash out across the board at hunters (however offensive their methods) when hunters have protected far more habitat than "environmentalists" ever will. If you folks want to pay for more humane ways of adressing this problem that mother nature in fact can't deal with please put them forth.
Our modern world is rarely in balance. I thank the people that work to achieve balance with reason and science, not deluded emotion. Thanks to all the competent game managers we owe much of our enjoyment of the wild too. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 5:47:38 PM |
Our modern world is rarely in balance
Wonder why that is? I think I know why, because man encroaches and takes and takes and takes, if we left things alone im guessing balance would return. Hunting for food is one thing and if thas what people are into then fine, by all means. But this goes beyond what most people hunt for, its greed and thats it. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 5:59:25 PM | | ^^^ thats right doublecabin! Mother nature will take care of all! But it is generally a slow and chaotic process. Be thankfull for that as mother-nature has us in mind too! Keeping a program to alleviate the stress' of natural selection amonst wild populations will also ensure that the strong individuals survive. But in the severe winter storms, you will only find hunters out in the wilds feeding the deer bales of hay,... not the bleeding heart enviromentalists. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 6:09:48 PM | | But this whole program continues under false pretenses. Overfishng depleted the fish stocks, not an overpopulaton of seals. Natural selecetion is just that, natural, not man made. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 6:22:19 PM | | maybe a genetic program to increase the number of killer whales would help mother nature in keeping a balance with the seals.... they are after all one of the main favorite meals of killer whales. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 6:22:48 PM | | the ice flows are seriosuly reduced this year and so many of the seals being hunted may end up being killed on land by those who don't even have permits. It could be a really bad PR nightmare for the government and Canada and I hope it is, the world will be watcing you Canada | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 6:44:34 PM | This is definitely a topic where people need to do their research and educate themselves on what actually takes place on the seal hunt, then come back and make judgements based on actual facts. There are too many misunderstood people out there, and the greenpeace and all those stars who are wasting their time on something that should continue for the livelihood of the people who partake in it, need to take their heads out of the clouds. The seal hunt is good compensation for the fishermen (seasonal workers), who have hardly any income during the off season. This hunt helps them pay off many expenses needed for the fishery, such as boats, etc, and also is that added boost during that dry spell. Should they be feeding off the gov't by getting UI or going out to work and earning a living? I think hunting, fishing, living off the land is more admirable than singing dumb songs to idiot fans who worship everyone off the bandwagon. And Mr. McCartney didnt even know where he was in the interview, he thought he was in Nfld but our intelligent, educated premier explained to him that he was in Prince Edward Island. If you don't know your geography, or anything beyond "Hey Jude" then it is not noteworthy to even partake in causes that are clearly unknown.
So I strongly support the seal hunt, and I love chicken, pork, lamb, tuna, eggs, turkey...... | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 6:56:17 PM | | DragoN, care to back up your statement (note I didn't say fact?) about the declining seal population numbers? And don't say some greenpeace outfit or other tree hugging types. | |
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grog27
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Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 91 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:02:38 PM | "This is definitely a topic where people need to do their research and educate themselves on what actually takes place on the seal hunt, then come back and make judgements based on actual facts."
That's for sure. There are far too many people making self-righteous statements about something they know very little about.
Plus, you have all the related injuries; knees being damaged due to excessive jerking; ankles broken by jumping on and off the bandwagon; noses broken when people walk into the walls of their glass houses; the list goes on... | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:15:17 PM | | An added note...seal hunters use rifles, and to those who have no historical background, these weapons had to be "invented", thus before the invention of rifles there was the piece of stick, namely the club. We have evolved believe it or not, so this invention is now used. We claim to wear "plastic, rubber, nylon, cotton", whatever...how many people can say they recycle? You have to eventually throw out the plastic or rubber shoes, which ends up being burned at the dump or left to pile, but either way it is polluting our environment, thus slowly killing our ecosystems, thus slowly destroying the earth. The key word is "balance", and in actual "fact", the seals are overpopulated, which in turn is helping to deplete the cod stocks (because seals eat cod). So to balance the population, we need to keep the seal population from getting out of hand. This is a logical way of doing it, as the seals are also used in medicinal purposes, and the list goes on. In Newfoundland (the most easterly island in north america for those who do not know), we also have the moose hunt every fall. The moose are shot with rifles, but we don't see all the blood on the snow, it blends in with the ground, so I guess that must be more ethical. Reading some of these posts is mind boggling, because I cannot believe that Canadians will not stick together, let alone educate themselves before passing negative judgement about their fellow patrons. One thing that is wrong with this country. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:17:02 PM |
There are too many misunderstood people out there, and the greenpeace and all those stars who are wasting their time on something that should continue for the livelihood of the people who partake in it, need to take their heads out of the clouds
These people are fishermen during the rest of the year, they lost out because their government helped them overfish and now the same government is giving them the opportunity to obtain more work during the off times? Real fair. I'm sure that seasonal workers in the rest of Canada are wondering when the government is going to provide them work during off time. No instead people must go on EI and look for other work, but not out East, heres a rifle, heres a hakapik, go make your money. I see people lose their jobs in my city, specificly in the automotive sector, government don't care about them. Why should the governemt continue to help out these folks out east, guilty conscience for friggin up the industry in the first place?
I think hunting, fishing, living off the land is more admirable than singing dumb songs to idiot fans
And i think its more admirable to sing songs and bring joy and happiness to people's lives then to go out and kill things.
McCartney didnt even know where he was in the interview, he thought he was in Nfld but our intelligent, educated premier explained to him that he was in Prince Edward Island
I'd hardly chastize someone who was not born in this country for making a mistake in saying where they were at the time. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:27:47 PM | I think alot of people are missing the point on why this is disturbing. Its the cruelty factor here. I have no issue with hunting (if its done honorably) or eating meat (as long as its not tortured and is allowed to live a fairly decent life before the slaughter) but please explain why the CLUBBING is necassary? On some level I guess I can understand the killing, if you want
to use the excuse these people are incapable of doing anything else, but why do it so cruelly? It takes a very specific kind of person to be able to do something like that, and they are not the kind of person i'd want to meet in a dark alley by myself. Jeffrey Dahmer was described as a pretty nice guy. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:34:29 PM | | well the fur trade is what made canada a country, and is a lot of people in nothren parts of our country that live on welfare now because of do gooders that ended the fur trade with out concideration for the cost on human beings , we are care takers of the earth and with out animals man would have never advanced as far as we have, i think is a balance that has be found between harvesting natures gifts to man and respecting wild lives any life man or animal should not be taken with out deep concideration and balance | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:34:55 PM | | Well why don't you find out how pigs are killed? That would shock you for sure. Find out how chickens are nailed to the ground to grow in 6 weeks instead of months...what about beef? You have to keep in mind that seals are in their own element, where they are supposed to live, before they die. Pigs, cattle, chickens are forced grown, with heck knows what kind of food and hormones being deposited into their bodies, which eventually goes into our bodies. Thats where the mad cow disease came from. Cows were eating the remnants of each other, thus making them contaminated. Seal and moose meat are foods that i definitely trust to eat more than animals that have to live in artificial environments, in their own dung. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:39:27 PM |
The key word is "balance", and in actual "fact", the seals are overpopulated, which in turn is helping to deplete the cod stocks (because seals eat cod)
What a load of BS, overfishing depleted the fish stocks, the myth that it was seals has been discounted, has it not?
So to balance the population, we need to keep the seal population from getting out of hand.
Myth, and it almost sounds as if people are saying that seals are the only creatures that eat cod. Heres a clue, man overfished the cod that they so love. Perhaps if the cod weren't overfished, the seal population wouldn't even matter,but in reality the stocks fell because man is greedy. Its much easier to blame an animal then it is to blame mankind isn't it? Pass the buck to the seals, what are they going to do about it, nothing.
n Newfoundland (the most easterly island in north america for those who do not know), we also have the moose hunt every fall. The moose are shot with rifles, but we don't see all the blood on the snow, it blends in with the ground, so I guess that must be more ethical
The moose are shot with rifles, are they baby's, 3 weeks old? The government doesn't classify newly shed whitecoats as baby's anymore, eventhough they really are not adults. Blood in the snow or not, its disturbing.My uncle hunts, hes hunted moose, hes hunted ducks. He hunted to eat them. He didn't hunt them under false pretenses in believeing that the moose were responsible for farmers losing crops, the way people want to believe seals eat all the cod.
Reading some of these posts is mind boggling, because I cannot believe that Canadians will not stick together, let alone educate themselves before passing negative judgement about their fellow patrons
I will never stand up for someone who partakes in this crap,nor will i ever endorse a political figure who believes in it.
One thing that is wrong with this country.
One thing wrong with this country is that we have people standing by faithfuly to believe every word the government spews out. People, government is responsible for you haing to resort to this in the first place, they messed up the cod industry, why else did they put limits on the number of other species of fish that could be caught? Coz they don't want this happening again. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:41:03 PM |
A new study, to be published in the peer-reviewed academic journal, Conservation Biology, indicates that Canada’s management plan for the Northwest Atlantic harp seal hunt is failing. Landed catches and estimated total deaths caused by human activities both exceed estimates of what the seal population can sustain. ...
The Northwest Atlantic harp seal population migrates annually between Greenland and Canada. It is hunted during the summer months in Greenland and, in the spring, along Canada’s East coast. In setting its Total Allowable Catch or TAC (275,000 in 1997,1998, and 1999), the Canadian government has not completely accounted for the number of animals landed in the increasing and unregulated Greenland summer hunt, which now takes upwards of 80,000 harp seals per year. Furthermore, the Canadian approach does not account for animals that are killed but not landed in both Greenland and Canada, nor animals that are incidentally killed in commercial fishing operations.
23 November, 1999
Peter Meisenheimer
Senior Research Ecologist
International Marine Mammal Association
Rather backward approach of the government has destroyed one industry already....
It's 2006...not 1999...and I'll agree about DFO, after all, they too can make the stats look favourable, just like the tree-huggers. | |
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