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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:47:35 PM |
well the fur trade is what made canada a country, and is a lot of people in nothren parts of our country that live on welfare now because of do gooders that ended the fur trade with out concideration for the cost on human beings
And the slave trade helped make America, I don't see America partaking in trading slaves nowadays. Some things just belong in the past | |
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KCNewf
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Joined: 3/3/2006
Msg: 102 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:47:52 PM | | Have you heard of the foreign fishery and the debate about the 20 vs the 200 mile limit? Look it up. The Europeans have played the major role in over fishing off the east coast. The bottom line is the seal hunt will remain, so get over it. If you don't like our country then get out. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 8:01:07 PM | | I don't have to get over anything. I vote, i pay taxes, I have a right to question the government and others. But what I wont do is pass the buck onto animals. Foreign fisheries played a hand in overfishing, Canadians are not innocent, they had their hand in the cookie jar as well. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 8:06:29 PM | "Its the cruelty factor here.
....exactly."
Are you saying the same thing about cattle slaughter houses? Are you picketting hog slaughter houses? I mean, I know that these animals aren't as cute as seals, and they're domestic, so they don't damage other industries, but their slaughter is just as cruel isn't it? | |
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KCNewf
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Joined: 3/3/2006
Msg: 105 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 8:43:51 PM | | All that other slaughter is done behind closed doors, shhhh! Face it, we don't want to know how Miss Piggie or Lamb Chop is being killed, we can hide that. But farming seals? How ludicrous is that? They have the best life in their own habitat, and sealers do risk their own lives going out there hunting them. I have eaten seal meat of which my brother in law brought home from the hunt. He shoots them with rifles. I stepped on a spider once for no reason at all....oopsie. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 8:58:52 PM |
All that other slaughter is done behind closed doors, shhhh!
For those who care to find out what really happens behind those doors, like myself, it aint pretty. You are too quick to judge and say that people who are against the seal hunt are just against it coz of what we see, or don't see as anyone who wants to go to the so called hunt and witness it are not allowed within a certain distance.
Face it, we don't want to know how Miss Piggie or Lamb Chop is being killed, we can hide that
Some people don't want to know, some people can't handle it, I've seen enough to last a lifetime, bottom line is theres always a cheaper way to do things and business will always take the cheapest. Hunters are reluctant to take a second shot at seals because too many bullet holes equals less money for that pelt so these pups end up drowning when they head for the water after being hit with a non lethal shot.
But farming seals? How ludicrous is that?
About the same as saying seals are responsible for declining cod stocks when its been proven otherwise.
They have the best life in their own habitat, and sealers do risk their own lives going out there hunting them
The thing is, these seals that you proclaim to have the best life in their own habitat don't get a chance to have a life at all. A couple of weeks is hardly a life. I wouldn't shed a tear if some hunter drowned or got shot. No one forced you to be there
I have eaten seal meat of which my brother in law brought home from the hunt
Funny thing is, there isn't a demand for seal meat. Hence the reason the government tries to sell the health benefits in seal oil but there aren't any.Can't sell the meat so lets find other ways to make money and scam the public. Seal meat isn't very edible to most people | |
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KCNewf
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Joined: 3/3/2006
Msg: 107 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 9:41:17 PM | | Seal meat is an aquired taste, not like kentucky fried chicken or filet mignon. Its all how you cook it. How big a demand is there for moose meat? Does anyone hear of moose burger or chow down on moose and fries? We have made the demand for chicken and beef because they are cheaper to "farm" than seals. Chicken is dirt cheap and you can pop up millions in no time. You should try seal flipper, nutritous stuff, better than soy, tofu crap. How anyone can be a vegan is beyond me. Here is an area where I am not educated. All you vegans, tell me how you get nutrition, please. Do you get sick a lot? | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 9:42:33 PM | | My mom was telling me about this just this morning. Events like this just make me feel so helpless, I don't feel there will be anything I can do that will make a difference. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 9:46:41 PM |
Seal meat is an aquired taste, not like kentucky fried chicken or filet mignon. Its all how you cook it. How big a demand is there for moose meat? Does anyone hear of moose burger or chow down on moose and fries? We have made the demand for chicken and beef because they are cheaper to "farm" than seals. Chicken is dirt cheap and you can pop up millions in no time. You should try seal flipper, nutritous stuff, better than soy, tofu crap. How anyone can be a vegan is beyond me. Here is an area where I am not educated. All you vegans, tell me how you get nutrition, please. Do you get sick a lot? Idiocy at it's finest I see.
Why are you so hung up on eating ****ing meat???
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KCNewf
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Joined: 3/3/2006
Msg: 110 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 9:48:48 PM | | How about helping out in the prevention of the manatee from becoming extinct, that is in your backyard. Frankly, the killings of the manatee by boat motors is more brutal than hunting animals for a purpose. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 10:23:53 PM | Any chance that you'd have a website? I need a new coat! ROFL!!!!
LOOK, we didn't get to the top of the food chain for our frailty. the same premise that the seal is an "innocent" animal that is being massacared, would you apply that same hypothosis to a mosquito, that is simply attempting to Survive, off a DROP of your blood? nope. I squash the lil bugger. maybe the METHOD that they use is "inhumane", I don't disagree. so what? are you a baby seal? if it affects your life so much, why not organize a Hunt the "Baby Seal Hunters Hunt"?
But you wouldn't. AND that is where we are failing as a Race, as Human beings. We are constantly BOTHERED by our situational circumstances, yet unwilling to affect change. Most would rather sit at their computer, whining and ****ing to others, than actually leave the comforts of the "Cave" ( Plato, Myth of the Cave). most people would rather not think of what can be done to influence a positive change through action, they'd rather vocalize it.
IF I'm wrong, PLEASE tell me what you have PUT INTO ACTION to stop this? Quit acting like a Hippie, and do something Proactive.... Lemme Know when you get approval for the "Hunt for Baby seal Hunters Hunt"... I'll join ya... I would start it, but I don't care... I'd join just for the chance to hunt humans legally....
My theory is simple. we are hunters, meat eaters. IF "God" didn't want us to eat animals, why'd "He" make them out of meat? and Why'd "He" make em so Tasty?
applying this to the current situaton, IF "God" didn't want em to get clubbed, he'd of given em better defenses...maybe like being able to SWIM at birth. and while we're at it, WHere are the baby seal's parents? Talk about inhumane, they've prolly seen this happen before, and just let their OWN child wander out into this? That's like letting a newborn cross a Highway at rush hour. MY real question is if they are doing this for the pelts, why aren't they eating the meat? It'd have to be pretty tasty.... like veal.... mmmm.... tortured baby cow.... dammit now I'm getting hungry! I'm gonna go, I've got some Lamb chops in the Fridge callin to me now...
Either do something or get over it! I'm not trying to be a DlCk, but I'm doing my part, to convience you that IF THIS means something to you, than do something about it, OR QUIT whining...
P.S. to the BS trying to relate this to Iraq. WHY IN THE WORLD DOES EVERYTHING RELATE TO IRAQ????? Ever been to Iraq? then SHUT UP. I for one, and SICK AND TIRED of people regurgitating the evening News as if its their own opinion, and as if everything they see or read is Fact. unless you are or were there, you wouldn't know. I am going there, becuase I BELIEVE what I say... I am going to attempt to make a difference. I'm joining the Marine Corps, before you say something stupid. I'm going to fight. I believe in a Cause, and am willing to get involved... thats more than I can say for the origination of this post... THAT is where I can say either GET INVOLVED, or SHUT UP
K, I'm done, and so are my Lamb Chops...  | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 10:28:59 PM | seriously, know where I could get a web address?? I'd like a seal skin blanket. my coat is great... its LEATHER.... the skin of a slaughtered cow.... OOOOOOO! poor stupid cows....  | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 10:36:55 PM | Why is that when people feel the need to ridicule something they don't understand , all the oxygen supply to their brain seems to have ceased ?  | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 10:53:31 PM | OK, well I admit to not being informed about the current status of Canadian law on seal-pup hunts. But I would like to comment on the following comments that were made on the subject:
The key word is "balance", and in actual "fact", the seals are overpopulated, which in turn is helping to deplete the cod stocks (because seals eat cod). So to balance the population, we need to keep the seal population from getting out of hand.
In other words, you are saying that because humans (Canadians) want to harvest the codfish, that the competition -i.e., seals- should be taken out? Are you saying that the native population of seals should be adjusted to the perceived need for codfish by humans? Why don't we substitute the word "oil" for "codfish" and replace the word "seal" with "islamist". You would therefore become the first Canadian who I know is an employee of the CIA under the current US administration.
This is a logical way of doing it, as the seals are also used in medicinal purposes, and the list goes on. In Newfoundland...
My friends from Newfoundland have told me what happened to the natives that previously were indiginous to Newfoundland. They also described how they go "fishing" for seagulls. I am not impressed with your attempt at trivializing the situation.
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 11:35:31 PM | message no 107 you nearly had it in the first few lines
plastic
if people knew what the pollution was doing from plastic and acted on it we would be taking a step in the right direction.
anyone know the percentages of people for seal hunts and against as to their demographics,where they were raised etc
id bet a penny to a pound that those in favour were born,raised or live away from major population centres,and vice versa.............
im not a townie....... | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 11:42:07 PM | Lot of made up statistics being used here. I watch McCartney and the Premier of Newfieland on Larry King Last night. I'm not for the seal hunt as I dont see the point in hunting anything. However These made up statistics to make it appear as even worse than it is isnt helpful. Killing animals is never pretty. But seals a re cute and so famous people like to get their face into it. You sure as hell arent going to find them in a slaughterhouse next to the happy cows. Seals arent endangered and if their numbers arent culled then there is a surplus which ends up dying due to starvation. There are 12 times as many seals in Canadian waters than there were 20 years ago. The nice clip I liked was when the cute baby seal barked and tried to bite Mrs McCartney on the hand and then chased her away. I am fine with banning it. But as someone pointed out a few times. People should be more concerned with the Americans creating a climate for death, civil war and growing terrorism in the mid east and not worry about what and why things happen to cute seals. Then again america has long tired of their war mongering president and his lies and it gives them something to divert their ADD minds. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 11:46:17 PM | What most fail to realize is that the clubbing of seal pups was publisized by Green Peace.. who in turn stated that the film which was shown was of hunters clubing seal pups when in reality it was members of green peace clubing the pups because they could not find hunters who were killing seal pups in such a manner.
The hole killing of seals have been exagerated because of the media and celebreties.. if such matters of any type of hunting ( not including hunting of endangered animals) were looked at in a logical manner it would be seen as a necessary evil.. because populations are allowed to run unchecked (because of lack of natural predators) an ecological event will occure and cause the dealth of many animals becuase of lack of food and the spread of disease. Because of the world we live in today hunting is nessassary granted it may be cruel but nessassary non the less.. the whole view must be examined and not just the fact that these animals are being killed but why and to what purpose. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 11:51:48 PM | Seal hunting license.... 30 dollars
Eastwing 30 oz framing hammer.... 70 dollars
Boat ride to ice flow...... 100 dollars
smacking a cute little seal in the forehead..... priceless.
Sorry folks that was sick yes I admit it, Kitsguy makes some good points and so does YellowEyes Wolf.
Then again it's late and I have insomnia hence the sick humoured post.
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/4/2006 11:57:37 PM | numbers are too easy to crunch also
if i were greenpeace id follow the most useless hunter and quote his stats | |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 12:12:44 AM | We all know Paul Macartney knows all about seals, Why don't he just let it be.
Loretta swit, pam anderson have all fished most of there lives. I detest famous people using thier celebrity to try to influence the masses. Most of these people make thier living pretending to be somone else, not something i hold in high reguard.
The cute white faces of the seals appeal to our primitive instinct to protect. Its already
been said but true that if these seals were WART HOGS dirty with sores all over nobody would bat an eye. It come down to the most basic prejudice.... we seek beauty and repel uglyness.
Even further to this these celebs will travel to other countries to spred there vast knowledge
which boils down to "don't kill these there are too cute"..... Well thanks for the input.
Some people cant go through life without a cause, This is there cause. Too bad it is playing
with someones ability to make a living. Why doesn't Macartney pay the sealers to sit home.
Ever had seal flipper pie, Its a fav. in Newfoundland. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 12:33:56 AM | That's it ! I've had it with all this talk about clubbing baby seals to death !
It's just too much...I've polished my club and heading straight to Baffin Island to get me one of them there baby seal pelts for myself. Not to worry though, I plan on keepin' the fixins inside for vittles. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:35:38 AM | so it comes back to your ideals and if you were famous and knowledge of the activity i guess
we have a lady named pam clarke she is a legend anti battery hen and she slowly changed things as we now have free range eggs as well as barn laid eggs for a slight fee of course | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:47:42 AM | I am entering this discussion late, and admit to not reading most of the pages as it's just too time consuming. I'm sure it's basically a 3 sided debate. Side one has the people who see nothing wrong with the seal hunt, defend it and spout off how it's needed for peoples livelihoods, to protect the cod stocks etc. Side two has the people who are disgusted by the hunt, and want it stopped. Then there is side three, these people are the most pathetic in my opinion. They flutter their eyelashes, gasp at the horror of the seal hunt, cover their eyes and ears when faced with the truth, yet do nothing. First of all, lets cut the bull and call it for what it is.....a massacre. It's not a hunt, it's a senseless butcher of an innocent mammal.
I could get into listing the facts about the seal massacre, and be called a 'tree hugger', (like that is a bad thing.. ), but I'm sure there have been plenty of facts and links already provided. People that support the seal massacre always snidely refer to animal protection groups as distorting the facts. Ummmmmmmmm excuse me, but video, pictures and eye witness testimony do not lie. Someone who feels that their livelihood is threatened is much more likely to fabricate and distort the truth.
There really is only one way the yearly Canadian seal massacre will end, and that is by hitting the sealers where it hurts the most.....their pocketbooks. I am a proud Canadian and this bit of Canadian history and current events sickens me and makes me ashamed. The rest of the world needs to step up and tell Canada, we wont buy your seal pelts and products. There is only one way to stop anything that is undesirable, and that is to make it socially unacceptable and loathsome. Italy and Mexico are doing just that, and I applaud them!
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=160956
Italy stands up against cruel seal hunt
February 13, 2006
IFAW delighted by growing momentum to shut down European markets for seal skin products
(Rome/Brussels - 13 February 2006) – Italy has temporarily suspended the import of seal skins and seal derived products. The Italian Vice-Minister for Trade and Industrial Affairs, Adolfo d’Urso, - together with the leading Italian animal welfare NGO LAV1 - confirmed today at a press conference in Rome that no import licences would be granted in the coming months. At the same time, the MP Saia announced a legislative proposal (supported by the government coalition) to prohibit the commerce in seal skins and seal derived products. The proposal is designed to complement the existing import ban on cats and dogs fur.
• January 2006:
o Mexico bans the import and export of all marine mammals (i.e. including seals) and their derived products (similar to the US Marine Mammal Protection Act from 1972).
o Greenland instructs its public state company not to trade in seal pelts originating from the Canadian seal hunt.
~D aka, animal protector, tree hugger and proud of it.
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/5/2006 1:23:20 AM | so you are sure that if you really hate some activity which is on the world stage you wouldnt twist the story a little to suit your perspective?
im sure every government would .which leaves us with the conundrum?
where on earth can we find some independent qualified umpire?
i sure as hell dont trust all animal conservationists are telling it as it is,as the hunters or a majority of them are much the same.although yhe majority of them practice good skills and compassion there is and always be a minority of idiots.
how and why do the italians know what is happening or are they merely worried about the damage it may do to their fashion industry.peta were throwing paint on furs at one stage i believe?
fashion and misinformation are big dollars.
its not another oil conspiracy is it as plastic and vinyls are derived from oil i think?
whoever posts next try and be objective,think it out | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/5/2006 1:31:23 AM | Whatever, right or wrong, in the next 3 weeks we are all gonna be pretty
damn embarrassed. During the last hunt, my Mexican GF called me to
let me know she was shocked that we would do something so cruel.
Today, I didn't have it in me to tell her to prepare for those images once again.
Although I have misgivings over this entire spectacle, I think that the
benefits (if there are any) are not worth our image and the money
lost from boycotts. Our Seafood industry is gonna suffer from the
boycotts at Red Lobster Restaurants etc. BTW; 70% of our seafood
are imported to the US and so it's not too difficult for the protester's
to mobilize across that nation.
2006 is going to be a year that'll shame us like not other. As we approach that day, we
better ask ourselves if it's worth the humiliation and loss to our economy
for the sake of a few fishermen. | |
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