| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/7/2006 12:33:20 PM | With regard to my posts privatenites, they are not angry. I dispute that astrology is NOT a science. It's a philosophy, similar to scientology. People are free to choose to believe in whatever. If you want to worship a head of lettuce, more power to you. Lettuce head worship is a philosophy. I believe in the philosophy of karma, you might say it's BS to espouse the belief of "what comes around, goes around". I'm assuming that if you paid someone to do an astrological reading, it's much like tarot cards, the person doing the reading is going to go through their spiel, all the time observing their client, they probably have asked a few important questions to judge their client, they are perceptive people, and then they suggest a few things that are based on common sense. Common sense is a belief which I put a bunch of faith in, personally.
So if you put your faith in astrological readings to guide your life and your love life, that's fine. If you cannot date a Sagittarius with their moon rising in Jupiter, your really just limiting yourself to romantic opportunities. Just use your head and your heart with romantic decisions, and I'm sure that an astrological believer will have a very fulfilling romantic life. There's no anger conveyed in this message. Peace to astrologers!  | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/7/2006 1:07:48 PM | Ditto to what Bike man said.
My only point is that it is not science.
If it works for you, if it gives you comfort, if it gives you a method for making sense of the world and it harms no one, fine. But it is a philosophy/belief system - not science. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 1:30:20 PM | Privatenites
I hope you do not think I was making a pun at you when I made the comment that I dabbled with astrology or about a friend and a very good friend making the comment about Scorpio men being lovers.
I truly believe that astrology is a science because my mom at 93 years old has quite often mentioned how her parents planted their vegetable gardens by the moon and my grandfather that was a fisherman quite often studied the moon.
Indians I have been told also lived by the moon and the stars.
I will agree it is a wonderful science and my only backup here is that when I look around all I can say is I know that I know.
It is a very informative thread and thanks for the knowledge you have shared. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 1:39:32 PM | Anecdotal tales do not make it a science. Science must be provable using a rational test and removing personal bias. There are things people believe in that science can neither prove nor disprove. They aren't science just because lots of people believe in them. Lots of people believe in god. That doesn't make the belief science. Neither can science disprove god. Such a thing is outside of science.
Indians used the moons to count time and the stars to navigate. That isn't astrology.
Planting by the moon also isn't astrology.
Believe in it if you like, just quit calling it science. And if you do believe in it, know enough about it to know what it is and isn't! | |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 2:15:52 PM | Well, on the lighter side of things...I'm just a rookie with this whole astrology stuff. I read SOME of the original post until I saw how many houses there were. Hahaha...this is my 3rd house. I know where the moon is...thats the shiny thing up in the sky and you can see it mostly at night. As far as I know, everyone can see it. What it means to each person...yikes, that seems a little deep.
This is a pretty deep thread actually. You guys must be fishing for the BIG one...way down deep.
Sooo, on the advice of a certain someone who posted in this thread, I searched for 'astrological compatibility' and guess what ? There's allegedly only three signs that work for me and only one is considered a 'match-made-in-heaven'. That sign is Aquarius. The other two signs were Gemini and Aries.
I mainly posted here just to find this thread again easily. I promise to read it all at some point. The gist of it that I got...No, its not a science in the traditional meaning of the word but it does seem to hold some kind of merit but maybe its just coincidencidental in the long run....newspaper horoscopes are just filler material. But its fun to read.
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Posted: 3/7/2006 2:30:16 PM | I have this book called SignMates... for those of you who don't afree with horoscopes, I suggest you read it. It might open your mind a little bit. In the book you can read about the personalities each sign has..... and you can also combine your and your partners sign. Just a thought... but you might see what she means And yes!!! scorpio men are great lovers!! hehe
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Posted: 3/7/2006 3:13:31 PM | | Gary I'm a Gemini my man is an Aries. We get along wonderfully, think a lot alike, yet where we think differently we mesh or complement each other. It's a terrific match. Also get along well with libras, have many libra friends, and aquarius. There really IS something to it, we fit the personality traits of our signs almost to a T. We've also done the Jung test which has the four types, I'm an ENFJ. There's a very interesting thread about that and also people who don't give it much credence either. The Jung personality types are based on the Myers-Briggs test and is used widely by many in the psychology/psychiatry field. All of this is valuable to those who are interested in finding out more about themselves, or learning about how they're likely to fit in with another person. I ALSO do the astro compatibility tests when I first start seeing someone, just to get a feel for it. I usually go back later, after a period of time and bingo it's always right. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 4:05:59 PM | Recently, an astrology group has been repeating on the Internet an old canard about Albert Einstein, who they claim wrote:
Astrology is a science in itself and contains an illuminating body of knowledge, etc.
This is a good example of astrologers quoting each other, but with nobody ever checking. In His biographies contain nothing to suggest that Einstein had any interest in astrology. Furthermore, Einstein was a devout Jew and detested anything that has to do with divination.
One of mankind's strongest historical parallels. In the Garden of Eden, it was Eve who had the rapport with the Serpent. The witch at Endor was a woman. Ancient literature, like Homer expresses the supernatural learnings of females. Nothing has changed. For example, a modern female has the uncanny ability to track you, in person or by phone, to the remotest parts of the earth. Some females will blatantly tell you she is a witch or psychic. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 5:48:11 PM | Wow – it’s been a long day – I was almost afraid to check in on POF for fear of the “astrology” post,
What hideous turn in the road did it take while I was out earning a living?
None – whew – thanks to all of you for turning down the heat a few notches – one of the things I enjoy is people with differing viewpoints that can express them in an intelligent way.
Astrology - science or not science – is that the big question?
Did I use an inappropriate word?
Four pages later…hmm…
Possibly another thread?
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Posted: 3/7/2006 5:52:10 PM | Whether or not its a science is definitely not why I was reponding. I'm just trying to learn a lil bit about it. I have a few more things to say here. Next time.
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/8/2006 12:20:58 PM | well, im going to have to agree that astrology is a very interesting thing. i find it very fascinating and its not all just general. maybe your daily horoscopes, but i constantly can identify people by how they act to their sign. did you know that certain signs even have defining physical attributes? i once spotted a friend of mine in class as an aries just because of his nose and when i asked if he was and he confirmed, we were both surprised. its very interesting. and signs even have their sexual habits. i have a few books that go into specific detail on sexual astrology and just the signs in general. its really very interesting. and if youre being so close minded, i wouldnt put it past you to be an aquarius or virgo.....
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 4/12/2006 11:33:36 AM | Astrology is a science and also in agreement with the words of the bible. Stars, by their location and strength can tell a many thing. A far cry from "witches and psychics". Why do men insist on blaming women for all the problems and being evil? Was it not a man's rib we were made? Woman ate the apple and swallowed it, the man must have choked, seeing that he is the one with the "adam's apple".
In the words of the bible; Luke 21:25
"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 4/12/2006 1:28:02 PM | | and you wonder why the american education system is failing (see above poster).. Again, Astrology is NOT a science. Its a faith system, like scientology. | |
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| Astrology? obviously for the enlightened
Posted: 4/12/2006 4:07:20 PM | "the FACT is, the poster claims that Astrology is a SCIENCE when its NOT.. I have no proble m with it being a FAITH.. NOT A SCIENCE" ~ Regnis
Might you see it as a science, kind sir, if the subject-object understanding of its relationship is purported as a mirror image, and consideration given to science as a definition from a linguistics perspective? | |
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| Astrology, Science and the distinct possibility that we may not know it all
Posted: 4/13/2006 4:53:30 AM | I would not consider my self a subscriber of astrology, metaphysics, paraphcycology and the like. I take a bit of a fence sitting "show me" type of approach to these matters.
Blindly following anything is not a wise coarse. There will always be charlitans no matter what the subject. Western science is ripe with lies and convenient conclusions. The agenda of the day, it would seem, dictates the flow of information and the context it is presented in. It is very possible that amazing discoveries have been suppressed or altered in order to maintain the status quo or to serve those in power. We by no means live in an egalitarian society. A logical, imperical mind should be able to digest these notions. This alone should provide gaps and fisures in our concrete conceptions of what we know we know.
Humanity is in a constant state of evolution. Agreed? We are not at some pinnical state. Modern science is in an astounding state of exponential growth. Is it not possible that concepts and beliefs held in suspicion today may become part of the diatribe tomorrow? Was fire not once magic? Was the world at one time not flat?
Astrology is quite an ancient practise. When a system persists for such a very long time, there is likely a reason. Agreed? Some would say because it does indeed produce results. Not unlike herbalism, acupressure & acupuncture, vedic medicine. All of which produce sound, imperical results, yet are not recoginized by western science. They endure for good reason. It does not seem logical that such a complex system as astrology would persist so long for merely reasons of escapism and entertainment. Others may say...
Its like what Marx said about religion.. it keeps the masses idiotic and happy... less people rioting and protesting..
I am not shure Regnis's paraphrasing of Marx's commentary on religion is entirely accurate. I would venture to say that Marx was likely more concerned with ORGANISED Religion's capacity to pacify and control a populace with its suppossed divine hierachy and FEAR based belif system. This dosen't apply at all to astrology which seems to permote personal growth and serves to empower the individual.
As long as I'm quoting our resident nay say'er I can't let this one slide.
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quote]Its a faith system, like scientology.
First off, Scientology was created some fifty years ago by a very crappy Sci-fi writer named Elrond Hubberd, aleggedly on a dare by his peers. It is pyramid scheme with levels of power which benifit monitarily from each rung below it. It prays on rich people for a reason. They are prone to flattery and they got cake. Understand this Regnis, reasearch it, so you can comment accuratley. This is a cult.
Astrology can be free if you want to invest the time. There is no divine leader or heirarchy. It does not garantee anyone a place in heaven. It is entirely unfair and inaccurate to compare Organised religion to Astrology.
It is a natural human tendancy to pervert and use any and all things for selfish purposes. Astrology is not immune to this. A critical, yet open minded approach to concepts is indispenseable.
One thing I find amusing is how the rigid minds always accuse the open ones of being weak and escaping in flights of fancy. It would seem to me that the "rigids" are the ones hiding from vast and scary possibilites that we have a firm grasp of, and know only a sliver of the vast infintiy that surrounds and permeates us. If I didn't follow logical thinking I too would hide in a little box and close my eyes and ears to anything that interfeerd with my "that is that and this is this". If you look around you'll notice that those on the bleeding edge of science are becoming more and more spritiual(not to be confused with religious). Quantom phyicists are tripping right the **** out. Stephen Hawking is conviced that there is definatly some kind of undeniable divine order.
"The game of science is, in principal, without end.
He who decides one day that scientific statements
do not call for further test,
and that they can be regarded as finally verified,
retires from the game."
-- Karl Popper
Rupert Sheldrake wrote a book called simply "The Sence Of Being Stared At". It details his Labratory controlled experiments that empirically, to the highest clinical standards proves that there is such a thing as a sixth sence. Bergudgingly western minds have been raising eye brows. The data is indisputeable yet resistance is strong. A pure example of illogical resistance to concepts that breach the box.
Getting back to the heart of the matter, I stumbled upon a facinating book wich relates directly to the debate that has emerged on this thread. It was writen by a scientist who set out to once and for all scientifically disprove astrology. He became a believer.
The book is simply called "The Scientific Basis of Astrology" by Dr. Percy Seymour (1997) Astronomer/Astrophysicist Plymouth University, UK. It is a book of pure science and scientific theory.
This is his approach...
"I am a scientist. As such I cannot propose or understand a model of reality which does not take account of scientific data. I am not an astrologer - in fact this theory developed out of an examination of the arguments that astrology cannot work! As a theoretical astrophysicist, with an interest in the relationship between fundamental physics and the large-scale structure of the universe, I am searching, as are many others, for a model to explain the current anomalies and paradoxes in these areas that are beyond the domain of astrophysics (ie: biology, chemistry, and to my amazement, astrology.)"
Here is a brief over veiw of his theory...
"There is evidence, largely ignored, that positions and movements of planets as seen from the sun, play a major role in the solar cycle. Furthermore, there is some evidence - highly controversial but difficult to dismiss - that some positions of the planets as seen from Earth at time of birth and linked to personality characteristics of individuals. [Gauquelin]
This evidence exists. What my theory does is to prepare an interpretation, based on this evidence, which can be scientifically tested. Very briefly the steps are:
(1) Planets effect the solar cycle in specific ways. (2) The solar cycle effects the geomagnetic field. (3) The geomagnetic field affects life on Earth in certain observed ways. (4) Specifically, many species, including man, can be influenced by particular states of the geomagnetic field. (5) The particular influences appear to correlate with the planetary positions. (6) I propose that the behavior of the fetus at the time of birth is linked to the cycles within the geomagnetic field, which in turn are influenced by the solar cycle and positions of the planets. Resonance is the phenomenon by which the fetus is phase locked to specific cycles"
I hope I didn't drone on to long. I'll admit it was a bit of a rant. I'm just a thinker who's decided to set aside his human arrogance and follow true logic. Please feel free to hack my up ideas. I 'd rather evolve than revolve.
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| Astrology, Science and the distinct possibility that we may not know it all
Posted: 4/13/2006 12:49:33 PM | You ever get the feeling that the person you were trying to communicate with was simply waiting for there turn to talk?
astrology, ESP, Sasquatch, UFOs, all bunk
bunk bunk bunk bunk..........bunk bunk...infiinite repeats
You would think a 46 year old Engineering Technologist would have a more intelligent debunking argument. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 4/14/2006 11:49:46 AM | "Hey Drac...you want intelligent conversation? Then bring up an intelligent subject."
After reading four pages of argument, and not what I would call intelligent arguments against metaphysics, astrology, etc.... I would have thought there would be a better answer than that one Webhead..... at what point does intelligence intervene and tell the OP that they are just banging their head against the wall......I commend him on keeping his cool... as for an intelligent argument.... I would recommend you read some Deepak Chopra, Ken Wilber, Gregg Braden, or even a classic like "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene.... and even maybe a few deeper books on quantum physics..... there is a science behind it.... but far, far too much to put into writing here... it is something you need to find for yourself. You never know, once you have read a few of those, maybe you could actually have an intelligent AND informed discussion, as opposed to picking a senseless argument...... just my 2¢.... ~R | |
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