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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 4/18/2006 7:37:44 PM | | I believe the 3 wise men were astrologers LOL. There are many aspect in peoples charts that can help to make a loving relationship just as there are real deal breakers.My last girlfriend we both had mars exactly opposite each others suns. the sex was great but her temper was out of control. The thing about it though is you know it is there and you understand why this happening but there is really nothing you can do to change it. I try to screen my contacts as best I can with what little info I have to go from the start. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2006 8:34:18 PM | I'm skeptical but not closed minded. There's a lot to consider. Look at all that's been discovered, proven, invented....since we humans could think.... even with all the doomsayers, disbelievers, self-rightous zealouts, dictators, censors, religious fanatics.... that stood in the way of what has become.....
This fantastic device called a computer hooked up to the internet..using cable..satellite...radio waves..that . of what has become . At one point wasn't the earth flat and at the center of the universe? I try to be wary of the charlatans (mostly relatives) who'll con you out of your life savings. On the other hand I try to be open minded.
I think it was Einstein that said "Imagination is more important than knowledge".
Anyway my point is I believe there's some validity to astrology but it's not YET considered a science. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2006 2:08:00 AM | It seems that there are many who do not acknowledge anything that they cannot see, touch or use. If that were the case then how in the heck can 3 diferent psychics predict the same thing thru diferent mediums???
I had thought that perhaps I had said something that would lead into a reading but when I listened back to the tapes there was nothing that I had said. One psychic was so right on and very specific. And yes, what I was told was happening and has happened since and no I don't carry it in the forefront of my mind.
Further, in many cultures, psychics(shamans,witch doctors, etc) are valued. Sure there are fakes and there are those who are so closed that even the best psychics couldn't get a reading.
As for astrology specifically, I have dated two men(not at the same time) who were born the same day one year apart and in the same geographical area. Their personalities were very much the same.Generally speaking, people born under a particular sign have similar specific personality traits to those born under the same sign.
And for the ninnies that need to have scientific proof before believing anything I pose you this - it has been proven that the human brain uses electrical impulses for thought processes, where does this electrical energy go when people die?
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Posted: 4/25/2006 2:35:04 AM | THe electrical energy dissipates, just like when you stick your finger into a socket... The electricity goes through you, and then dissipates... When you die, the body stops producing the electrical impulses and anything left dissipates... And until anything else is proven, well, why live your life as if you'll get another chance when there's no evidence?
As for astrology, I can find similarites between people who have similar birthdates, but I can also find similarities between people with dissimilar birthdates. We're all similar in some ways, dissimilar in others. For example, I have three good friends, all girls, all Scorpios. Two were born one year, the other was born a year after them. There are similarities between all three. There's also similarities peculiar to only two of them. But I could also compare them to my sister, who's born on the 23rd of July and still find a remarkable number of similarities.
I'm not saying there's nothing to it, there probably is, but it's like gravity. Sure we all know gravity exists, but are you going to think thatit's caused by little fairies, or by something a bit more realistic? AStrology's probably like that. We humans are born on something of a cycle that helps keep a nice even balance to our species, but constellations causing that... well it's hard to imagine as these stars are billions of miles away from each other at any time. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2006 2:57:32 AM | Trying to convince someone of the concept of astrology is similar to trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig! The replies posted here reek of fear. The nay-sayers tend to write EXTENDED pieces which makes one wonder if they're scared it might be true. And the ones who DARE show any courage in their belief seem fearful that astrology just might NOT be true!
The world is not black and white, folks! I have always been incredibly entertained with astrology! It came out of a fascination with astronomy. Imagine that. Get a grip, folks! Enjoy what you like! You owe not one person here an explanation for your tastes.
Intellectuals can be SOOOOOOOO......academic! | |
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Posted: 4/27/2006 9:19:59 AM | There is nothing written in the stars!
Astrology fails scientific mega test
A detailed scientific long-term study by researchers in Britain proves the central principle of astrology invalid and baseless. It puts an end to the fantastic old claim that the constellation of stars and planets at the time of birth could influence or even determine the development of an individual's character and course of life.
The "Time Twin Study" was started in London in 1958 as a medical research project. Registering more than 2,000 babies, born within minutes of each other on a day in early March, it had the objective to compare the time twins' health development. The field of investigation was soon extended. The research team monitored the test persons over several decades, recording observations about more than 100 parameters in connection with health, occupation, marital situation, anxiety level, aggressiveness, sociability, IQ levels, abilities in music, art, sport, mathematics, language etc. They tried to collect evidences for similarities between the time twins. However, no similarities could be identified.
"The test conditions could hardly have been more conducive to success but the results are uniformly negative", stated Dr. Geoffrey Dean, astrologer turned scientist from Perth, Australia, in a report about the study, published in the current issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies. Carrying out an analysis of the study, Dr. Dean and his collegue Prof. Ivan Kelley, Psychologist at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada, found that there was no special trait or tendency shared by the time twins. They were just as different as people born on any other day under any other planetary constellation.
The claim that stars and planets could influence character and life of human beings has long been dismissed by rationalists and scientists as there is according to all known scientific principles no kind of mechanism imaginable by way of which this influence could possibly work. Here is empirical proof that it does not work at all. The study shows clearly that astrological predictions based on the coordinates of birth do not correspond with reality. They are nothing but exercises in deception.
This should be the end of one of the oldest superstitions. But it is not hard to predict that the show will still go on. There are obviously too many people, who like to be deceived and too many, who make enormous money by deceiving them.. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2006 7:34:27 AM | | Look, not everything can be measured using the "yardstick of science". Empirical data doesn't exist for many things. It's called "having fun"! As I stated earlier, my fascination with astrology was born out of a fascination with astronomy. Both entertain. Both enlighten. Both bring playfulness to our sense-based world. Honestly, I don't know anyone who lives and breathes it to the exclusion of their will. If you dug a little deeper you'd find out that astrology never has, or will claim to "predict" the future. That's very dangerous! Astrology is about "timing", and the cyclical nature of existance. It's just fun! That's all! That's why they print "Sun Sign Astrology" in the entertainment section of newspapers. No one here is trying to "convert" you. Try being a bit more tolerant of others. An amazing thing happens. They become more tolerant of you! I don't need a five million dollar hard-copy study done to prove this "phenomenon"! | |
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Posted: 5/4/2006 9:41:26 AM | [ Look, not everything can be measured using the "yardstick of science". Empirical data doesn't exist for many things. It's called "having fun"! As I stated earlier, my fascination with astrology was born out of a fascination with astronomy. Both entertain. Both enlighten. Both bring playfulness to our sense-based world.]
Having fun, eh? Why dont you explain to the hundreds possibly thousands of people who invest their life savings based on astrological predictions, or career choices people make again based on astrological predictions, or even more palpably real, like here on this site, people get rejected left, right and center because of their sign. Are we having fun yet?
[ Honestly, I don't know anyone who lives and breathes it to the exclusion of their will.]
Your kidding, right? Astrology is a billion dollar industry, like all systems of faith there is a continuum of belief. You have your extreme believers on the one end, the other end your naysayers like me. In between you have various degrees of belief. I dont think its inprobable that there are millions of people who are totally devout to some form of astrology.
[That's why they print "Sun Sign Astrology" in the entertainment section of newspapers. No one here is trying to "convert" you.]
Did you actually read all the posts in this thread, even the OP said there is no credence in the newspaper based astrology. Besides, they dont ask for money!
[As I stated earlier, my fascination with astrology was born out of a fascination with astronomy.]
Scientific truth is too beautiful to be sacrificed for the sake of light entertainment or money. Astrology is an aesthetic affront. It cheapens astronomy, like using Beethoven for commercial jingles.
On a moonless night when the only clouds to be seen are the Magellanic Clouds of the Milky Way, go out to a place far from street light pollution, lie on the grass and gaze out at the stars. What are you seeing? Superficially you notice constellations, but a constellation is of no more significance than a patch of curiously shaped damp on the bathroom ceiling. Note, accordingly, how little it means to say something like "Uranus moves into Aquarius". Aquarius is a miscellaneous set of stars all at different distances from us, which have no connection with each other except that they constitute a (meaningless) pattern when seen from a certain (not particularly special) place in the galaxy (here). A constellation is not an entity at all, not the kind of thing that Uranus, or anything else, can sensibly be said to "move into". When you look at the great galaxy in Andromeda you are seeing it as it was 2.3 million years ago and Australopithecus stalked the African savannah. You are looking back in time. Shift your gaze a few degrees to the nearest bright star in the constellation of Andromeda and you are seeing Mirach, but much more recently, as it was when Wall Street crashed. The sun, when you see it, is only eight minutes ago. But look through a large telescope at the sombrero Galaxy and you are seeing a trillion suns as they were when your tailed ancestors peered shyly through the canopy and India collided with Asia to raise the Himalayas. A collision on a larger scale, between two galaxies in Stephan's Quintet, is shown to us at a time when on Earth dinosaurs were dawning and the trilobites fresh dead.
As someone who claims to study astronomy, you should know better. | |
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| Astrology? obviously not for everyone!!
Posted: 5/5/2006 3:54:30 AM | I'm returning to this thread since I started it to say once again
astrology is not for everyone! - Period
I used the word 'science' which sparked off 5 pages of non-believers and skeptics stating what lunacy they thought this post to be over the word science, totally missing the point of the thread.
I'll ask once again - why? - why are you here sharing your overly negative opinion of astrology and the people that have beliefs you don't happen to share? Seems mighty strange that some spend their time, energy and seemingly infinite wisdom scrounging around looking for people to argue with...
The thread was started (quite innocently I might add) for some people that expressed an "interest" in learning more about the subject in a couple of other threads - not to take anyone’s money, convert the world or argue whether the word science was used appropriately. Natal charts can be obtained for free if you find the right place. A natal chart is a guide and a potential learning tool if someone (an interested someone) so chooses to use it that way!
If you don't believe in it - step away from the cage, you're welcome to start your own threads about your beliefs or the lack thereof. Experience the fine art of stating and then moving away from where your adamant negative opinion has been noted.
Hmmm...A natal chart may be in order to recognize the tendency to be so overtly annoying! | |
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Posted: 5/5/2006 6:27:12 AM | Excuse me privatenites but you invited us naysayers in your original post , in fact, the very first paragraph. Allow me to refresh your memory...
I hate to make a long post, but would like to try to offer some insight to the people that shrug off astrology as a joke or don't know that much about it – it’s a very interesting science if you choose to explore it in depth and that’s not meaning the newspapers lil daily blurb.
Remember that statement!!
Sounds to me like your post was indeed direct to us so what did you expect? We naysayers are supposively closed minded. Actually we are open minded but with a critical eye. We're not so open minded that our brains fall out! Science is about truths and the methodologies to seek out those truths. Astrology is in fact the anithesis of truth and therefore of science and there is nothing "fun" or "innocent" about these people bilking the less intelligent, more vulnerable brethren of their hard earned money. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2006 9:40:15 AM | Web - I stand corrected on the first point - thank you for refreshing my memory and pointing that out.
the money point? - let me reiterate
"Natal charts can be obtained for free"
I was not suggesting readers sell the farm to get a natal chart prepared...
This is America, home of the rich and greedy - sadly people are making millions of dollars on alot of things -other than astrology-
You may wanna get busy telling the masses about all the ways you perceive they are being bilked, that could virtually be a lifetime undertaking for you...
In your spare time (if any) - happy fishing  | |
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Posted: 5/5/2006 8:12:40 PM | | The act of "being bilked by astrologers " is very pronounced in your posts. Me thinks thou doest protest too much. By any chance has an astrologer bilked a close friend or relative? Once again, I've never paid for such a service. Or have known anyone who has. Science is a religeon itself. Don't get so caught up in it that it produces zealotry. That sort of thing can easily lead to large airliners being flown into buildings. There's perfect order in the universe. Just because something's not tested and verified by science, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And remember, the act of "observing" always alters the results. We won't even discuss quantum mechanics! Enjoy your life, dude! And quit putting "Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1980) Extended Version" in the VCR on your first dates! Unless of course you want her to leave early! Geeez...... | |
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Posted: 5/6/2006 5:01:42 PM | Thanks barefootng
Ahhhhh.... an intelligent man with a larger view of the world other than thru a kaleidoscope - how refreshing!!  | |
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Posted: 5/6/2006 9:07:42 PM | Pardon me, I'm still trying to get the hang of this Forum stuff. In my previous post I was responding to the post by "webhead".
Webdude, you're obviously an intelligent guy and I suspect playing the Devils advocate.
I say so because I really doubt you rely only on purported conclusions from studies funded by who the He** knows. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2006 1:15:45 AM | To the PO, I still as of yet havent got a individual natal chart done yet.I will also have to read up on the Science of this as mentioned .I did something over the net years ago with a old flame and my own birthdates,time of birth, and city of both our births.It was very interesting and it also went through the twelve houses.However (we) I still neaver was fully able to interurpert it though. About others comments on psycis's etc... [I had a palm reading done when I was about maybe age 14 or so.Let me tell you after that I went to my one parent.And asked a personal question and they had it right on the money].I am not saying that I believe in all psyics not by far.There are plenty of fakes in every field.
This was uhmn, scary yet interesting sure gave me a different perspective after that!And the person also knew about a big secret of mine. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2006 1:58:23 AM | I am a Gemini. I find I get along with Gemini's who are more closer to the beginning of the month. I don't know why. Also, I get along with Capricorn men. My mom is a Capricorn and so is my dad. Both of my kids were born on even dates, so was I and my husband too, he was a Capricorn. He died in 4/96. And yes, I also am a christian. I have a scientific type of mind and understand many laws play into our environment. And into our universe.  | |
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Posted: 5/7/2006 3:17:14 AM | Was it Descartes who said "I think therefore I am" ? - this says it all for me as, not knowing the forms of intelligence created on other planets, I can only assume that the pull and push of the universe has brought us to consider these and other such weighty questions at this point in time.
Mankind and our intelligence are in their infancy - in my opinion. Curiously though, in this age of space exploration, it seems we are preparing ourselves for who knows what - how would 'you' greet an alien? Assuming of course that they would want to visit a planet which cant even get over its own xenophobia.
Where religion has held control for millennia with the corrupt use of power, astrology refreshingly gives us choice - choice to explore personality. Yes Marx did refer to religion as being the 'opium of the people' but I wholeheartedly dispute astrology as being such a method of control. It actually encourages people to look for themselves, to look at archetypes and individuality.
Regarding the study done in Bath, England - I contend that the original hypothesis was flawed from the outset and may better have served its purpose to have looked at all the children born over an extended period of say five years
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Posted: 5/8/2006 10:31:18 AM | | Ahhhh privatenites, I see now, if we agree with you we will be "intelligent" is that how it works. You wouldnt be an astrologer by any chance as I notice your profession field is not filled out. Hmmmm, kinda makes you wonder. Maybe you can explain to me barefootng's response and what it has anything to do with anything. Science is a religion! Zealotry! Oooo something about quantum mechanics and how the simple fact of observing can change the outcome of some "experiment". Now, how this relates to our discussion is beyond me. But hey! It sounds intelligent..that must mean barefootng is intelligent! A natural collorary wouldnt we all agree. I love that " science is a religion"! Hell, I'm gonna right that down, maybe get it tattooed on my ass! Right on the crack! | |
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Posted: 5/8/2006 2:54:22 PM | You know what's REALLY scary? We could ALL be wrong! What comes to mind is the final scene from the movie "Inherit The Wind". The defense attorney portrayed by Spencer Tracy remains in the courtroom alone following the Scopes Monkey Trial. He picks up The Origin Of The Species with one hand, and the Bible in the other. He looks at them induvidually, then gently lays one upon the other. Brilliant!
I enjoyed the exchange here immensely. When everyone thinks alike, no thinking get's done! To webhead1, your conviction is admirable. London, huh? I spent a week there a few years ago. Their fish 'n chips is a VERY wonderful memory. The real thing!
I hope everyone here finds what they're looking for. So close your eyes and click your heels together three times. And say, "Hey, baby! What's your sign?"  ...sorry, I couldn't resist! | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:05:07 AM | Web – NO I am not an astrologer- if you read previous to this you would see I said I had a natal chart prepared “years ago” (by an astrologer) and it made a lot of sense, was an accurate description of my strengths and weaknesses and basically I used it as an informative tool. A tool I used to curb my negative tendencies and enhance my positive qualities.
I don’t think someone is intelligent because they agree with me, matter of fact I love a good debate occasionally and welcome interesting people into my life that have a differing point of view and can bring new ideas to the table in my mind!
To me, it’s usually how a person presents himself or herself, as to how I receive and perceive them. You ‘may’ be a very informative, educated man – but from my vantage point, you come across in a very negative and annoying manner, especially your extremely intelligent prior posts of BUNK BUNK BUNK BUNK…
I hope you understand it’s virtually impossible for me to get past that to see any intelligence you portray, sorry, that’s just my perception of you. I avoid negative people in daily life because I tend to absorb negative energy, so naturally I don’t gravitate towards them or much they have to say on the net either.
REPEAT:
Astrology is NOT for everyone – this thread was started as a simple suggestion to those that were INTERESTED – how to obtain an astrological tool called a natal chart.
Those that are NOT interested still insist on hanging around
I can only assume at this point that means hanging around to possibly learn something more about astrology?
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:16:15 AM | Does that mean you wont meet me for coffee? | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 12:00:41 PM | Coffee?
BUNK BUNK BUNK BUNK
I'm glad at least you'll let your sense of humor shine | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:50:59 PM | Enough said!
...Now, anybody fancy a good discussion on palm reading. Let me start by saying... | |
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