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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/2/2005 6:38:29 AM | Sadly no, they can't help with narcotics, pain killers, sleep aides etc etc. I have tried, every option available at this time, even the drug companies, either I made too much or not enough for one program or another. I am too young to get on ssi or medicaid, I am not going to take it away from someone who needs it worse. Which is the worst crime tokin to ease pain, or taking something from someone who needs it much more than I? | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/2/2005 8:31:56 AM | For all intents and purposes it is legal in Canada. The cops aren't going to arrest anyone for small amounts and the parole board is granting an automatic pardon to anyone who asks. In fact with the taxes put on cigarettes, it's accually cheaper to smoke pot.
All natural, and untaxed.........what's not to like ? | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/2/2005 8:53:37 AM |
well...inhaling a known carcinogen...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
well...it can be cooked and consumed, reducing the harmful effects dramatically... | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 9:02:26 AM | Having a medical reason for using is much different to me than claiming a religious history to marijuana. If you are disabled due to an accident, I would find an attorney that specializes in social security benefits. It sounds like you qualify. Most of them willl give you an initial consultation for free and most of them charge no fee to you if they pursue the case. It is not age dependent. If you need help, I would find the help. 
Meanwhile i wouldn't inhale the carcinogen. It sounds like you family has suffered enough from these. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:13:39 PM | Come On R Dub
ive seen your stuff and you are much better than this
hemp has been used as a medicine in the orient for eons
whats the big deal with
tokin anyway ?
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:45:57 PM | Oh - you want you thought this was the capitulation room? Did I sound as if I were acquiescing? You were hoping for an argument? Must be a Monty Python fan.
Orientals have also used decapitation to solve minor discrepancies involving anger or disrespect. Should be take the best of the orient or the worst? Do you get your acupuncture or your aspirin for headaches?
No big deal with minor use or recreational use to me personally. Nothing wrong with medical care of any kind as far as I'm concerned. My major problem with legality lies in the ability for people to be self regulating. Too many of those with whom I deal are not good at it. Give them a gun and they will shoot themselves with it. Give them marijauana and nothing with happen. They already have too much of nothing happening now.
No job, No ambition, no need to get out of bed, no need to move out of mom's house. better apetite,less ambition for excercise. It's all a recipe for nothing to happen to someone. I have heard too many times, " nothing ever happened to me!" as if that were a good thing.
Ever notice that time has passed and that you have accomplished what? Years later, still in the same place. Fatter and still have the munchies. Man boobs, supressed hormone levels etc. shrunken balls. But - oh wow man - no one cares! eh? "I like my poetry when I'm high" or "I play better when I'm high". Woman look better when you're drunk in a bar too. Marijuana can make nothing happen to you too!  | |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:27:10 PM | Marijuana can make nothing happen to you too!
not on yer nelly it can!
check out "set and setting' ANDREW WEIL 1972
oops damned cap key
this is how it shakes down , for you for me and whom ever else
ya bring about what ya think about
it is NOT the substance that created the problem it is how it is used
to only take into account the experience you have, and i cannot deny you have it, and use that as a yard stick for ALL experience is limited to say the least
annd as unfortunate as it is there will always be dunder heads with the desire to self destruct
the wise amounst us realise there is consequenses to our actions and behave accordingly the rest run for office or escape they think, with drug use
or rage use or sex use or booze use
or food use and even , gasp intellectula and moral use
Let it grow!
(by eric clapton)
I’m standin’ at the crossroads
Tryin’ to read the signs
To tell me which way I should
Go to find the answer
And all the time I know
Let your love and let it grow.
Let it grow, let it grow,
Let it blossom, let it flow.
In the sun and in the snow
Love is lovely, let it grow.
Lookin’ for a reason
To check out on my mind.
It’s so hard to find a
Friend that I can count on.
There’s nothin’ left to show,
Plant your love and let it grow.
Let it grow...
Time is gettin’ shorter
And there’s much for you to do,
Only ask’n you will get what you are needin’,
The rest is up to you.
Plant your love and let it grow.
Let it grow...
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/2/2005 9:52:52 PM | well, I am finished here, someone listened to me, even If I drove him into thought for a moment. That was my intent. I enjoy making people think. If I am wrong or right doesn't matter, but, if I can make you stand up for what you believe in I am doing something right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw....3 lawers later, I was still screwed to put it bluntly I am open to other options if I haven't tried them.
Being an easy target was my intent, I wanted to show how diffrently people think. Whether they have an iq of 72(Forrest Gump) or an iq like Bobby Fisher(I only wish I compared ) Everyone has a diffrent opinion, and on many levels can judge one another, Bibacly, financially, American Morally,(is that a word lol) and on a pure human level. An unknown care one has for their "brother", not trying to judge them rather protect them.Goodnight. I hope my thoughts made a diffrence for someone. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 7:56:57 AM | Banned? I dont believe it should be banned, just taxed into oblivion. (It already has been so that is sort of an inverted victory in a quasi-Libertarian way).
Tobacco is a really good lesson for people in many ways. In canada, we keep going through a cycle, the government ups the taxes a bit at a time on tobacco, it gets to the point where the price is just too high for people to pay so the blackmarket steps in and starts selling cigarettes. The sale of legal highly taxed cigarettes plemmet, the tobacco black market booms. Then the government drops taxes on the cigarettes by a lot. Retail sales pick back up, tax revenues increase. Then they start the whole cycle over again.
Laws, taxes, regualtions, these things dont stop people from making their own choices (good or bad) they only change how people go about it.
Marijuanas popularity (and known effects) is very short chronologically. It is generally considered "safe" to assume that a product such as wine or beer which has been around for thousands of years has had demonstrated long and short term effects. When marijuana came on the scene, most in this country had no knowledge.
While I wont argue points from the bible, which btw, I agree are not very good arguments. Of course even if they were great arguments I still wouldnt consider that a great support for weed, after all fiction is fiction no matter what it says.
But, I will definately argue that their is nothing new or untried about weed. It has been around for a very very long time and used for various purposes. And as for when "it came on the scene, most in this (your) country had no knowledge", its been around and being utilized since before the founding of america. If you wish I will go hunt down references for these statements.
well...inhaling a known carcinogen...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Have you ever read the side effects of most medication you get prescribed? Most have carcinogenic compounds in them, amongst other harmful attributes. I'm not arguing and saying that it is healthy for a person to smoke weed, it isn't, thats a fact. But to argue that a person should take one carcinogen to avoid taking another one is a little too insane even for me.
There is not much chance anyone is going to post a side effect (real not imagined for terror campaigns) that most pot smokers are aware of and have decided that the benefits (whatever they may be to them) outweigh the negatives. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 8:05:22 AM |
Meanwhile i wouldn't inhale the carcinogen. It sounds like you family has suffered enough from these.
I seriously doubt that MaryJane tea has any carcingenic properties. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/3/2005 8:07:15 AM | All one needs to do is read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" By Jack Herer. He has a standing offer of a substantial reward if anyone can disprove what he writes in this marvelous book. I encourage any non-bud-smokers to take Mr. Herer's Challenge. Bet you don't get the reward!!
Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong!
And we hereby extend our $100,000 challenge to prove us wrong!
If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before . . . CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA!
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the only known plant that can be grown from the Equator to the Arctic Circle and to the Antarctic Circle; from the mountains to the valleys, from the oceans to the plains, including arid lands and everywhere in between. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the healthiest plant for the ground out of the 300,000 known species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, because it has a root system that grows 10 to 12 inches in 30 days compared to one inch for rye, barley grass, etc. The roots penetrate up to 6 feet deep, pulverizing the soil and making it arable. After harvest it leaves a root system that is mulched into the ground, revitalizing the land and making it live once again. It is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plant life.
All of my information about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA has been taken from Federal and State Department of Agriculture reports, articles from Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Pulp & Paper Magazine, Scientific American, entries from encyclopedias and pharmacopoeias, and studies from all over the world during the last 200 years. This is all public information. The United States government is hiding the fact that 125 years ago, and even as far back as 4000 BC, 80 percent of our economy was based on the use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for paper, fiber and fuel. Ten to 20 percent of our drug economy was based on CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA medicines, 125 years ago.
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was part of our everyday life. Virtually every farm and every plot of land in the cities and towns across the United States and the world, from 100-125 years ago and before, had a CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA patch growing. The U.S. government's cover-up of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA outrages me and it should outrage you, too. I have been studying CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for over 30 years, and I can't believe how the U.S. government, in 90 seconds in Congress, could outlaw "MARIJUANA" in 1937, without the people realizing they were outlawing CANNABIS/HEMP, the most perfect plant for the planet! They even got other countries to outlaw it, too, after the Second World War and beyond. From 1740 to 1940, 80 percent of all the world's CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was grown (mostly by Cossacks, who were indentured servants), and then imported from, Russia.
I will again reiterate a few of the facts about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, which you already know from reading my book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes."
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was the NUMBER ONE annually renewable natural resource for 80 percent of all paper, fiber, textiles and fuel, from 6,000 years ago until about 125 years ago. Furthermore, it was used for 5 to 50 percent of the food, light, land and soil reclamation, and even 20 percent or more of all medicine. Everyone, from the educated to the uneducated, the farmer to the townsperson, the doctors and the scientists used CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA products and depended on them.75 to 90 percent of all paper used from at least 100 AD to 1883 was made of CANNABIS/HEMP. Books, (including Bibles), money and newspapers all over the world have been mainly printed on CANNABIS/HEMP for as long as these things have existed in human history.
One hundred and 25 years ago, 70 to 90 percent of all rope, twine, cordage, ship sails, canvas, fiber, cloth, etc., was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP fiber! It was replaced by DuPont's newly discovered petrochemical fiber (nylon) beginning in 1937. By comparison, CANNABIS/HEMP is 4 times softer than cotton, 4 times warmer, 4 times more water absorbent, has 3 times the strength of cotton, is many times more durable, is flame retardant, and doesn't use pesticides. Fifty percent of all pesticides are used on cotton, yet cotton uses only 1 percent of the farmland in the U.S! CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the most health giving plant on Earth and it doesn't require pesticides or herbicides! It is the healthiest plant for human consumption, and for the Earth itself.
Eighty percent of our economy depended on CANNABIS/HEMP for paper, fiber and fuel, 125 years ago. At that time, it took 300 man-hours to harvest an acre of CANNABIS/HEMP, but with the invention of the brand new HEMP decorticator in the 1930s, it only took 1-1/2 to 2 hours. This is equivalent to reducing the labor burden from $6,000 down to $40 per acre, in today's money. Keep in mind that the cotton gin, in 1793, reduced the man-hours from 300 hours down to 2 hours to harvest and clean an acre of cotton. CANNABIS/HEMP would have taken over the cotton market, as it is far superior to cotton, and pesticide free. The role of CANNABIS/HEMP should be determined by market supply and demand and not by undue influence of prohibition laws, federal subsidies and huge tariffs that keep the natural from replacing the synthetic. I repeat, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plants!
Of all the 300,000 species of plants on Earth, no other plant source can compare with the nutritional value of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA seeds. It is the only plant on Earth that provides us with the NUMBER ONE source, and the perfect balance of essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, globulin edestin protein, and essential oils all combined in one plant, and in a form which is most naturally digestible to our bodies.
Prior to the 1800s, CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil was the NUMBER ONE source for lighting oil throughout the world. Until 1937-38, even paints and varnishes were 80 percent CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is non-toxic and has been used to make high-grade diesel fuel, oil, aircraft and precision oil and even the NUMBER ONE vegetable oil. The U.S. Army/Navy standards purchasing specifications list HEMP OIL as the NUMBER ONE preferred lubricant for their machinery. CANNABIS/HEMP is the best sustainable source of plant pulp for biomass fuel to make charcoal, gas, methanol, gasoline and electricity in a natural way.
In 1850, 80 percent of all paper, fiber, fuel, and oil was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP in America and the rest of the world. This was before the discovery of coal and petroleum for energy in the late 1850s...before the start of the worst permanent pollution ever experienced on Earth... fossil fuel pollution (coal and petroleum)!!
As a medicine, the worldwide use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA goes back at least 6,000 years. Remember, 10 to 20 percent of our medicines used to be CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA based medicines. It has been found to be healthy and effective in the treatment of chronic pain, cancer, strokes, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, sickle cell anemia, AIDS wasting and many other illnesses, including simple nausea, appetite stimulant, anxiety and muscle pains, etc.
On September 6, 1988, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Chief Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, ruled: "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man," and asked the Drug Enforcement Administration to reschedule it. The DEA refused, keeping it as a Schedule I drug, which they say "has no known medical use"! Thousands of studies have been done all over the world, documenting the medical use of MARIJUANA (England, Spain, Hungary, Holland, and the U.S., just to name a few). No one has ever died from MARIJUANA in over 6,000 years of recorded history... unless they were shot by a COP!
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was also used for land reclamation until 1915. CANNABIS/HEMP was planted or left to grow feral as ground cover and on riverbanks, and not intended for harvest. It is the NUMBER ONE plant in history used to prevent mudslides and loss of watershed, and river and soil erosion on Earth. It has been illegal to grow this NUMBER ONE plant in the United States since 1937.What disgusts me the most is how the U.S. government, as well as the people, knew about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and praised its value and then look what happened! In literally 90 seconds, the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 passed in Congress. By using the unknown name "MARIJUANA" instead of the familiar name "CANNABIS HEMP", Congress was able to accomplish this because no one knew what plant they were talking about. CANNABIS/HEMP became illegal and was replaced by petrochemical products, coal and natural gas. They made it such a banned and forbidden plant that the words "HEMP" and "CANNABIS/HEMP" were not even taught in schools from the 1940s, 50s and thereafter.
The role of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was erased from America's history (as well as most of the rest of the world's) after 1945. To prove it, think... what did you learn about CANNABIS/HEMP in grade school? High school? College? From your parents and grandparents? Nothing! (Unless it was from the underground press within the last 15 to 20 years.) The continuing suppression of this information by the U.S. government places us all in mortal jeopardy. I believe that, in order to save our planet, we must use non-fossil fuel energy. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, in conjunction with wind, solar, tidal and hydroelectric power, could save the planet by providing all of our energy, fuel, paper, fiber, and 10 to 20 percent of our medical needs, naturally. It would also reduce acid rain and chemical pollution, rebuild the soil, and reverse the greenhouse effect (no other plant can do this!). CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was used to make over 25,000 products before it was outlawed in 1937.
Why does the U.S. government want to eradicate this seed, out of all the seeds on Earth? They want to kill the most perfect plant on the planet. We must stop this insanity and demand that the laws against CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA be one hundred percent repealed!!
Federal Attorney General John Ashcroft, Drug Enforcement Administration head, Asa Hutchison, and White House Drug Czar, John Walters, have been given all of these proven facts and yet are still set against the legalization of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and recognition of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIUANA knowledge. For whatever personal reasons, they refuse to believe the facts and are willing to sacrifice the future of our planet and the health of our people by keeping it illegal.
The ban of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is so extreme and its intention is to hide the truth. The truth is that out of the 300,000 species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the NUMBER ONE plant for our survival and quality of life here on Earth. Since September 11, 2001, the U.S. government and Attorney General John Ashcroft have been calling MARIJUANA users "terrorists" and yet the government of the United States has been "terrorizing" MARIJUANA users for the last 65 years! There have been over 14 million arrests for CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA in the last 65 years, in the U.S. alone! 13 million were within the last 30 years!
No one has taken the $100,000 challenge to prove me wrong. Why? Because I am right. The U.S. government has been lying to us since the early 1900s. Do economic interests and the police have more to say than the people about the future of our planet? How angry are you for being lied to by the U.S. government about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA? Are you willing to make a stand right now? No one can dispute this information and knowledge. YOU have to join me in this fight. Either you are on the U.S. government's side or you are on my side.
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/3/2005 8:25:07 AM | Well...inhaling a known carcinogen...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Last I heard pot does'nt need to be inhaled to get the pain killing effects nor the appetite inducing effects in order to work.There are many recipes for brownies or cake or cookies that are fantastic and it is much more of a body stone when ingested anyways which is probably what someone in pain would require.I certainly enjoyed it that way when I tried it.Smoking is only one way to enjoy the effects of the drug. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 8:33:23 AM | As I stated earlier, Hemp is amoug the first plants culitivated by human beings. It is older then known history.
Indeed remains of hemp fibers have been found in the earliest archaeological sites in the cradles of Asiatic civilization: evidence of fiber in China dating from 4000 B.C. and hemp rope and thread from Turkestan from 3000 B.C.
For over 6000 years Hemp was in everyday use in every human center on the globe. It is not a recent thing that we knew nothing about. If you wonder about the long term effects on the human race, just look in the mirror. Six Thousand Years and no complaints, only praise. Then in the 1930's it suddenly becomes "evil", Why? Simple $$$$$$$$$! They don't care about our health. Other wise Health Care would have been the major issue in the last U.S. election, as all the polls showed it as being at the top of "The Peoples" concerns.
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/3/2005 9:28:14 AM | Trewq
"Then in the 1930's it suddenly becomes "evil", Why? Simple $$$$$$$$$!"
BINGO!!
and exactly why my questuining the question | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/3/2005 9:47:54 AM | "Meanwhile i wouldn't inhale the carcinogen"
Hold the phone Newt!
If carcinogens are your argument, may I suggest a self contained breathing Apparatus?
R-Dub, R-Dub, R-Dub!
have you learned nothing here ?
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/3/2005 10:02:55 AM | This might dispel some of the myths surrounding MAryJanes unjustifiable notoriety;
www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_culture11.shtml
The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).
DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew MEllon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.
The reasoning behind DuPont, Anslinger, and Hearst was not for any moral or health related issues. They fought to prevent the growth of this new industry so they wouldn't go bankrupt. In fact, the American Medical Association tried to argue for the medical benefits of hemp. Marijuana is actually less dangerous than alcohol, cigarettes, and even most over-the-counter medicines or prescriptions. According to Francis J. Young, the DEA's administrative judge, "nearly all medicines have toxicm, potentially letal affects, but marijuana is not such a substance...Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care" (DEA Docket No. 86-22, 57). It is illogical then, for marijuana to be illegal in the United States when "alcohol poisoning is a significant cause of death in this country" and "approximately 400,000 premature deaths are attributed to cigarettes annually." Dr. Roger Pertwee, SEcretary of the International Cannabis Research Society states that as a recreational drug, "Marijuana compares favourably to nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine." Under extreme amounts of alcohol a person will experience an "inability to stand or walk without help, stupor and near unconsciousness, lack of comprehension of what is seen or heard, shock, and breathing and heartbeat may stop." Even though these effects occur only under insane amounts of alcohol consumption, (.2-.5 BAL) the fact is smoking extreme amounts of marijuana will do nothing more than put you to sleep, whereas drinking excessive amounts of alcohol will kill you.
"Leeeeeegaliiiize the MarrrreeeeHhhhuaaaanaaaa!!!" Bob Marley...Give it away give it away give it away now....
  
Bob Marley poet and a prophet
Bob Marley taught me how to off it
Bob Marley walkin' like he talk it
Goodness me can't you see I'm gonna cough it
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/3/2005 10:07:34 AM | As a long term resident of British Columbia (a big growing province) I am not sure that Marijuana has been "decriminalized" for years, it has been getting more and more acceptace in the last few years and in some places it is flaunted in front of the cops while in others users are penalized, to the full extent. I think it will become decriminalized in all of Canada sooner or later but the pressure from USA is a big issue. If you were ever charged with a marijuana offence you will not be permitted access to the USA. I did meet a man once who claimed refugee status in Canada because of a marijuana charge in the States. I don't know how successful he was in his claim , he seemed a little flakey to me.
A funny song has this to say about Marijuana:
Smoking Marijuana is more fun than drinking beer
But a friend of ours was busted and they gave him thirty years.
Maybe we should raise our voices ask somebody why
But demonstrations are a drag
Besides we're much to high
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest
Anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends.
My opinion? Decriminalize. Tax it like cigaretts. It would wreak havok for a lot of people, but it causes less death than cigaretts or alcohol, and most users are really not doing any harm except to their own motovation. If you are not hurting anyone but yourself, why should you be charged with a criminal offence? | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 8/3/2005 10:20:02 AM | [If the government took control of the distribution of pot and taxed it it would essentially take it out of the hands of these 'bad' guys much like stopping the prohibition of booze took the criminal element out of that situation] (sorry, haven't figured out the quote thing yet)
In Canada the medical use issue was finally settled, you could use it, but you still couldn't buy it. So the government set up a lab and grew some pot. They harvested it and ground it up and sold it as perscriptions to folks who had a letter from their Doctor. It was crap. It was dry and powderey and had no more buzz to it than Oregano. If they legalize it, they have to let the proffessionals grow it. And I don't think that it would get rid of the 'bad' guys, 'bad' guys are out to make money. If they can't make it on marijuana, they will make it on something else, probably something far more dangerous. But it might help keep good people out of jail. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:55:18 AM | Hemp and Cancer? More lies!
Where are the missing dead pot heads? Why aren't the newspapers filled with anecdotal stories about pot heads renouncing the herb as they are carted off for lung cancer treatment?
This researcher says he can't find any association between pot and lung cancer, not even for pot heads who also smoke tobacco:
Johns Hopkins researcher says marijuana is unlikely to cause head, neck or lung cancer.
See http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1728.57309.
One necessary event in the lung cancer process is for the carcinogen to be metabolized by an enzyme -- called the carcinogen-metabolizing enzyme -- so that it can get into the cell nucleus and interrupt the reproduction of the cell and make it malignant. This enzyme attaches to carcinogens to help them cause cancer.
The THC in the marijuana tar appears to produce more of this enzyme, but at the same time the THC blocks the activity of this enzyme so that it cannot attach to the carcinogens. The more THC in the pot, the more the THC blocks this enzyme from being able to work.
So THC interrupts the process by which the carcinogens in the smoke cause the cancer. THC blocks the carcinogen-metabolizing enzyme. And that could solve the mystery of the missing dead pot heads, the ones they couldn't find in the Johns Hopkins study.
Dr. Tashkin and his research team found that THC also inhibits the activity of the carcinogen-metabolizing enzyme when it is added to tobacco tar. That could explain why tobacco smokers who also smoked pot aren't turning up dead or dying in the statistics either.
http://www.mpp.org/NC/news_2021.html
Cigarettes contain added chemicals not in organic tobacco or cannabis. Yet it is still compared by cannabis prohibitionist, and still not mentioned or disclosed by tobacco prohibitionist or producers. Rising prices only hurt the poor who are forced into the black market or into buying generic brands with even more added chemicals. Even if cannabis was compared fairly to tobacco, the fact of its expectorant properties or lung cleaning abilities are seldom mentioned. It is safer to smoke tobacco while using cannabis. It was marketed as a cough elixer and those properties haven't changed. I have found it useful in helping seniors cough up phlegm and clear breathing passages and can't help to think how many kids die in ER's of full blown asthma attacks because of stupid drug policies concerned more with profits and maintaining ignorance over the health and safety of the citizens. Now NAFTA/GATT frees the corporate chemical cigarettes onto the world producing the diseases and illness never known when they used organic tobacco. No rocket surgery here, if you add chemicals to flavor or preserve and ignite them they may cause damage to the body. And if these chemicals aren't added to cannabis then they can't hurt you. Just wondering...
Peace, Love and Liberty vs D.E.A.th Worship
Cannabis in Costa Rica: A Study of Chronic Marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues.
"Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke"
Tobacco has 649+ man made chemicals added to it that Congress or the Surgeon Generals never mention. Preservatives, colorings, fire retardants, flavorings etc. No one has ever died from cannabis. So your comparison is way off. All smoke isn't the same. Breathing poly fibers will kill. Excessive smoking usually means poor quality cannabis. Legalization is the only way to remove the graft and corruption, the threat of laced hemp and the white powder killers. It would also prevent the bronchitis caused from smoking schwag. The abuse caused from using cannabis is an acceptable risk for adults. Caging someone for this is plain irresponsible. Fact is smoking is the least costly method of ingestuion and if legalized and grown free most would prefer eating.
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:42:57 AM | listening, Have I learned anything? yes I have learned that if you write a book full of stuff that people want to believe it will be assumed true and passed off as fact regardless of the truth. You simply want to these items to be true. It is as false as the $100,000 guarantee.
In that spirit, I offer my own $100,00 guarantee. Prove me wrong. I didn't say complain me wrong. I didn't say vote me wrong. I said prove. Let's go over some of the claims:
But, I will definately (sic) argue that their (sic) is nothing new or untried about weed
There was nothing new or untried about the atom after the greeks invented the concept. Then there was Dalton's work, Milliken's work, Hiesenberg's work, Schrodinger's work, Einstein's work. Quarks, mesons leptons, string theorists. and on and on and on.
How many times have we said, " there's nothing left to discover about ..." Only to be proven wrong repeatedly.
Have you ever read the side effects of most medication you get prescribed? Most have carcinogenic compounds in them, amongst other harmful attributes.
yes I have read the side effects. To which medications are you referring? There are many side effects. Of the thousands of medications I aware, I know of precious few that can actually produce cancerous tissue and I don't think you know them. Prove me wrong! I'm not talking about clinical trials here so don't tell me about transposons. I want to know which pharaceuticals which are given to patients will produce carcinomas.
80 percent of our economy was based on the use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for paper, fiber and fuel
Do you really expect us to believe that 80% of the economy is based on this weed? Do you know anything about agriculture? Was this fed to cattle or lambs or horses so sedate them so they could produce milk, carry a pack or be slaughtered? Did people sit around harvesting the seeds for the nutritional value or did they plant corn and kill buffalo? Am I supposed to think that cloths were made from this stuff rather that from cotton harvested and cleaned primarily by slaves? Percentage wise this is just an embarassment to print such a thing. It was as big a part of the economy as dog food is today.
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was the NUMBER ONE annually renewable natural resource for 80 percent of all paper, fiber, textiles and fuel, from 6,000 years ago until about 125 years ago
Maybe this is where you got the 80 % figure and then extrapolated exponentially. It was number one? 6000 years ago the mycennean and minoan civilizations were busy constucting statues of fat female fertility goddesses because they worshipped woman. They did so because woman were able to reproduce themselves. Men didn't understand because of the time lag, that they had anything to do with it. There are lots of artifacts from this era and all the way up till today. Please point me to one artifact that shows that marijuana was a large part of any economy. To suggest you understand this well from 6000 years ago is ignorant. Most of these artifacts are sketchy in their meaning at best. We have cave drawings in the Neader Valley in Germany 25,000 years BC which depict smoking. Are you assuming this is your brand?
It is the healthiest plant for human consumption
Very funny. How could you even write such a thing? What makes it "healthy"? It has fiber. many you'd like to make a nice breakfast cereal out of it for that. Better get your "STONIES"- the high fiber low cholesterol breakfast cereal! Endorsed by top (video game) athletes everywhere! It has what in it again? Are you going to claim that this has vitamins, minerals, proteins? Are you going to claim that humans can digest cellulose? It does not have the protien of wheat , rice or corn. It does have THC! Is that what you mean by healthy. maybe when they modify the food pyramid next, they will add dope to the base of the pyramid! 10 to 20 percent of our medical needs, naturally
no other plant source can compare with the nutritional value of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA seeds.
Obviously you do not work in nutrition. Do you have any background in medicine?, chemistry?, biochemistry? pharmacology? organic compounds? Any background whatsoever? Well I guess marijuana can help you do nothing too! What, if any nutritional value do you find in these seeds? I know there's fiber. I know you can't digest it unless you are a cow. What nutritional value are you hinting at? And Where my $100 large?
It would also reduce acid rain and chemical pollution, rebuild the soil, and reverse the greenhouse effect (no other plant can do this!)
Acid rain is caused by hydration of nonmetallic oxides produced primarily by burning fossil fuels. Marijuana will not change that except to contribute to it by burning. Which chemical pollutants are you claiming this crap will reduce? I don't see any savings at all unless you were to say that stoned people use less electricity or drive less. Rebuilding the soil? Are you claiming that this plant is nitrogen fixating? Well George Washington Carver would probably disagree, but he's been dead for a while. Why not befowl his accomplishments by claiming dope can do the same thing.
How is Marijuana going to reverse the greenhouse effect? Other than to use CO2 to make cellulose like every plant does, it has no more effect that any tree or shrub. this is a silly suggestion. $100,000 please
10 to 20 percent of our medical needs, naturally
I don't know if anyone is actually paying attention to this but this is another Ludicrous suggestion. The uses for marijuana medically are primarily in the area of short term, acute pain analgesics, glaucoma, and apetite stimulation. And you are claiming this 10 % of the medical market? Some one hasn't been doing their homework here. Unless you claim this is some kind of miracle cure for everything , which it is not, you can not make the claim.
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Posted: 8/3/2005 12:25:16 PM | It is Mr. Herer's challenge sir and I suggest you contact him to offer up your "proof" and collect. You may contact him at http://www.jackherer.com
Congratulations on your newly acquired wealth.
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:04:47 PM | rwhprism you are a prime example of the ignorance surrounding Hemp.
They made it such a banned and forbidden plant that the words "HEMP" and "CANNABIS/HEMP" were not even taught in schools from the 1940s, 50s and thereafter......The role of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was erased from America's history (as well as most of the rest of the world's) after 1945. To prove it, think... what did you learn about CANNABIS/HEMP in grade school? High school? College? From your parents and grandparents? Nothing!
Acid rain is caused by hydration of nonmetallic oxides produced primarily by burning fossil fuels............(Hemp) has no more effect that any tree or shrub
Fossil Fuels, Exactly. But they can be replaced with Alcohol, which can be made from most any Bio Mass. But, Hemp, as the fastest growing plant on the planet, would allow us to produce all the alcohol we would need. Hemp will grow where a lot of other plants will not and in most parts of North America you can get TWO corps per season.
As to nutrition. The nutritional value is in the SEEDS not the leaves. Although Soya produces more seeds per acre then Hemp, the protein hemp is metabolized by our bodies more effectively then Soya. As hemp has been in use for over 6000 years, our bodies have learned to use it fully.
And there is no THC in the seeds.
The animals do not get "stoned" when fed Hemp, because their Brains do not have a receptor for the THC. Ours Do! Now why would our brains develop a receptor for something unless we have been exposed to it for Thousands of years?
Do you really expect us to believe that 80% of the economy is based on this weed?
It had been a major player in the worlds economy:
1812: United States gets into the War of 1812 against the British after they block the Russian sea ports and we can no longer get our supply of inexpensive hemp.
The Spaniards took it to Mexico and Peru, the French to Canada, the English to North America. It had been introduced into northern Europe in Viking times. It was probably the Scythians who took it first to China.........
The Indian Vedas sang of Cannabis .........
palynological evidence indicates that Hemp cultivation had a tremendous increment in England from the early Anglo-Saxon period to late Saxon and Norman times -- from 400 to 1100................
Henry VIII fostered the cultivation of Hemp in England. The maritime supremacy of England during Elizabethan times greatly increased the demand.
Hemp cultivation began in the British colonies in the New World: first in Canada in 1606, then in Virginia in 1611; the Pilgrims took the crop to New England in 1632.
In pre-Revolutionary North America, Hemp was employed even for making work clothes. Hemp was introduced quite independently into Spanish colonies in America: Chile, 1545; Peru, 1554....
Hemp was so well known that Marco Polo described its consumption in the secret order of Hashishins....
The plant was a major crop in Kentucky, Virginia, Wisconsin and Indiana, and was one of the more important southern agricultural products......
Before the ban in the 30's you could pay your taxes with Hemp seed. Ben Franklin risked his life to get Top Quality Hemp Seeds out of China.
Durning WWII you could be exempted from the draft if you grew Hemp.
All Paper Money is printed on HEMP.
On paper and fiber, Well first cotton is not an option till 1793, when Eli Whitney patented the cotton gin.
USDA announces that one acre of hemp will produce as much pulp for paper as 4.1 acres of trees and use only 1/4 as much polluting sulfur-based acid chemicals to breakdown the lignin that binds the pulp fibers........It is still used to make rope, twine and textiles, while the seed is used as bird food
And as to carcinogenic compounds:
Substances or groups of substances, and medical treatments that are known to be carcinogenic
Aflatoxins
4-Aminobiphenyl
Analygesic mixtures containing phenacetin
Arsenic and certain a***nic compounds
Azathioprine
Benzene
Benzidine
Bis (chloromethyl) ether and technical-grade chloromethyl methyl ether
1,4-Butanediol dimethylsulfonate (myleran)
Chlorambucil
1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1-nitrosourea (MeCCNU)
Chromium and certain chromium compounds
Conjugated estrogens
Cyclophosphamide
Diethylstilbesterol
Erionite
Melphalan
Methoxsalen with ultraviolet A Therapy (PUVA) Mustard Gas
2-Naphthylamine
Thorium dioxide
Vinyl Chloride
Substances or groups of substances, and medical treatments which may reasonably be anticipated to be carcinogens
Acetaldehyde
2-Acetylaminofluorene
Acrylamide
Acrylonitrile
Adriamycin
2-Aminoanthraquinone
0-Aminoazotoluene
1-Amino-2-methylanthraquinone
Amitrole
0-Anisidine hydrochloride
Benzotrichloride
Beryllium and certain beryllium compounds
Bischloroethyl nitrosoure
Bromodichloramethance
1,3-Butadiene
Butylated hydroxyanisole
Cadimum and certain cadmium compounds
Carbon tetrachloride
Chlorendic acid
Chlorinated paraffins (C12, 60% chlorine)
1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-cyclohexyl-1-nitrosourea (CCNU)
Chloroform
3-Chloro-2-methylpropene
4-Chloro-0-phenylenediamine
C.I.Basic Red 9 monohydochloride
Cisplatin
p-Cresidine
Cupferron
Dacarbazine
DDT
2,4-Diaminoanisole sulfate
2,4-Diaminotoluene
1,2-Dibromo-3-chloropropane
1,2-Dibromoethane (EDB)
1,4-Dichlorobenzene
3,3'-Dichlorobenzidine and 3,3'-Dichlorobenzidine dihydrochloride
1,2-Dichloroethane
Dichloromethane (methylene chloride)
1,3-Dichloropropene
Diepoxybutane
Di(2-ethylhexyl) pthalate
Diethyl sulfate
Diglycidyl resorcinol ether
3,3'-Dimethoxybenzidine and 3,3'-Dimethoxybenzidine dihydrochloride
4-Dimethylaminoazobenzene
3,3'-Dimethylbenzidine
Dimethylcarbamoyl chloride
1,1-Dimethylhydrazine
Dimethyl sulfate
Dimethylvinyl chloride
1,4-dioxane
Direct Black 38
Direct Blue 6
Epichlorohydrin
Estrogens (not conjugated)
Estradiol-17
Estrone
Ethinylestradiol
Mestranol
Ethyl acrylate
Ethylene oxide
Ethylene thiourea
Ethyl methanesulfonate
Foraldehyde (gas)
Hexachlorobenzene
Hexamethylphosphoramide
Hydrazine and hydrazine sulfate
Hydrazobenzene
Iron dextran complex
Kepone (chlordecone)
Lead acetate and lead phosphate
Lindane and other hexachlorocyclohexane isomers
2-Methylaziridine (propyleneimine)
4,4'-Methylenebis (2-chloronaline) (MBOCA)
4,4'-Methylenebis (N.N-dimethyl) benzenamine
4,4'-Methylenedianiline and its dihydrochloride
Methyl methanesulfonate
N-Methyl-N'-nitro-N-nitrosoguanidine
Metronidazole
Michler's ketone
Mirex
Nickel and certain nickel compounds
Nitrilotriacetic acid
Nitrofen
Nitrogen mustard hydrochloride
2-Nitropropane
N-Nitrosodi-n-butylamine
N-Nitrosodiethanolamine
N-Nitrosodiethylamine
N-Nitrosodimethylamine
N-Nitrosodi-n-propylamine
N-Nitroso-N-ethylurea
4-(N-Nitroso methylamino)-1-(3-pryidyl)-1-butanone
N-Nitroso-N-methylurea
N-Nitrososomethylvinylamine
N-Nitrosomorpholine
N-Nitrosomorpholine
N-Nitrosonornicotine
N-Nitrosopiperidine
N-Nitrosopyrrolidine
N-Nitrososarcosine
Norethisterone
Ochratoxin A
4,4'-Oxydianiline
Oxymetholone
Phenacetin
Phenazopyridine hydrochloride
Phenytoin
Polybrominated biphenyls
Polychlorinated biphenyls
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, 15 listings
Benz[a]anthracene
Benzofluoranthene
Benzo[j]fluoranthene
Benzo[k]fluoranthene
Benzo[a]pyrene
Dibenz[a,h]acridine
Dibenz[a,j]acridine
Dibenz[a,h]anthracene
7H-Dibenzo[c,g]carbazole
dibenzo[a,e]pyrene
Dibenzo[a,h]pyrene
Dibenzo[a,i]pyrene
Dibenzo[a,l]pyrene
Ideno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene
5-Methylchrysene
Procarbazine hydrochloride
Progesterone
1,3-Propane sultone
B-Propiolactone
Propylthiouracil
Reserpine
Saccharin
Safrole
Selenium sulfide
Silica, crystalline (respirable)
Quartz
Cristobalite
Tridymite
Streptozotocin
Sulfallate
2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD)
Tetrachloroethylene (Perchloroethylene)
Thioacetamide
Thiourea
Toluene Diisocyanate
0-Toluidine and 0-toluidine hydrochloride
Toxaphene
2,4,6-Trichlorophenol
Tris(1-aziridinyl)phosphine sulfide
Tris(2,3-dibromoprophl)phsophate
Urethane
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