| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:10:20 PM | | I've never met a productive pothead...but I know productive cokeheads...legalize cocaine first. legalizing pot is like legalizing skateboarding at malls. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 27 | |
| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:10:46 PM | | As soon as they find a way to tell if the person is under the influence, such as a breathalyzer for booze, they will legalize it...the $$$ to be mnade for the gov't is WAY too much to NOT do it... | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 29 | |
| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:54:44 PM | | Think "Meow Mix" jingle....and say "Tax, tax, tax, tax....tax,tax,tax,tax..."...it all comes together.... | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/22/2005 2:00:24 PM |
I pay taxes why shouldn't pot growers/dealers?
We'd get the tax money PLUS free up the use of untold man hours per year from law enforcement....they can use these man hours to pursue worse offenses.
You’d get far more money in taxes if illegal aliens paid taxes than if illegal drug dealers paid taxes. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/22/2005 2:06:33 PM | | I don't necessarily agree; drug dealers would be in a MUCH higher income bracket, while many aliens would unfortunately be receiving gov't assistance. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/22/2005 3:47:49 PM | | I think the U.S. is still far to 'puritan' in its thinking and will never move to decriminalize never mind legalize.Canada however is much more liberal or forward thinking and are'nt necessarily stuck in the 50's mentality that the states are so I could see it happening here.The government has already made steps towards the eventual decriminalization and it is only a matter of time.Hell,other than my parents I really don't know anyone that is'nt a smoker at least on a casual basis.It's really no different than booze up here and far less destructive.Don't necessarily believe what the U.S. drug enforcement agency tells you.They have a vested interest on how the debate turns out and are far from unbiased in their opinions.Propaganga really helps no one when it is largely based on falsehoods.Luckily as informed adults most of us are able to see through this.Afterall pharmacists are the biggest drug pushers and much if not most of what they peddle to the masses with the governments blessing if not full participation is much more harmful.Give the people the right to choose. | |
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banquo
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Joined: 7/11/2005
Msg: 33 | |
| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/23/2005 1:23:03 AM | As someone who has first hand experience dealing with the terrors of living in the same house as a raging alcoholic, it has baffled me for a long time why there is no "legal" alternative to alcohol. I know, I know, there technically is, sobriety, LOL!! :D
~banquo~ | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/23/2005 5:21:58 AM | Just FYI, there is a relatively new type of drug test which uses saliva and can tell if one is high at that time, and not just positive from smoking a joint (or whatever) on Friday night. The problem is that it is substantially more expensive than current testing methods, so most organizations don't want to pay for it. It's easier to just treat employees like criminals.
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/23/2005 6:22:12 AM |
You’d get far more money in taxes if illegal aliens paid taxes than if illegal drug dealers paid taxes.
maybe...but my opinion on taxing illegal aliens wasn't requested....and they sound like pretty seperate things to me...unless by some leap of imagination one of the illegal aliens WAS one of the drug dealers ;) | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/23/2005 8:19:08 AM | For the people that believe that there are no productive "pot heads". That is so far not true. You've met tons, you just never knew they smoked pot. I myself don't partake, but pot use cuts through all classes in society. Lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers, construction workers, burger flippers, politicians, etc etc. One of the biggest group of "professionals" that I have met that party are teachers. One big reason, they don't have to take the wiz quiz. The amount of teachers I have met that use pot and every other drug under the sun is friggin staggering.
I say legalize drugs and prostitution. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/23/2005 8:20:03 AM | nittanylion
What I meant was that it is easier both politically and economically to use standard drug testing procedures, and to apply them like a blanket to all employees, regardless of their position and the impact of such behavior on that job.
I have no problem for drug testing appropriate occupations, like truck drivers, the military, medics, and others whose impairment might be dangerous to others. But I believe that for those not in that group and to whom a Friday night joint is a relaxer employers should be required to use the saliva test, as they do have the right to not have folks high at work.
Although it is more expensive, it is more accurate for the purpose, and gives these folks a degree of privacy to which (imo) they are entitled. Their 'fun' on Friday or Saturday should not preclude them from decent employment, as long as they do a good job and stay sober during the week.
Let us use the right tools for the job, and try to respect peoples privacy as much as we can.
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/23/2005 8:23:09 AM | | I think all politicians should be tested. They make the laws why not test them. We make truck drivers submit to a list of tests but we don't make teachers who see your kids more than the average parent take a drug test. Kinda strange isn't it? | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/24/2005 10:11:14 PM | Maj Mike,
Perhaps it's less expensive, but it's not easier... at least not in Canada. The courts here have consistently ruled that unless there's a bona fide safety reason for testing for drugs (ie, pilots, long distance truck drivers), employers CANNOT ask employees to take drug tests.
The drug test you mentioned earlier sounds like one that is being tried by some police forces in Canada: the mouth saliva test. The test is of extremely limited feduciary value, and I doubt it will actually be used in court. It can detect if marijuana has been smoked... within the last 24 hours. It cannot tell how much or how recently. It won't detect marijuana that's been eaten. It won't detect serum blood levels of THC, or the level of THC in the brain. These last two points are particularly important because there is no scientific research that demonstrates a direct connection between blood levels and brain levels of THC (unlike alcohol). Also, with alcohol, there are reams of scientific research documenting its effects on reaction time, judgement, coordination, etc, including studies the clearly demonstrate how blood alcohol levels impact driving performance. This evidence does not yet exist for marijuana, and prosecutors are being very wary about bringing this issue to court.
In Ontario there is a lawyer and marijuana activist who smokes for his MS, but also to get high. He's been trying to get arrested for it for four years. He's even lit up in front of cops who have pulled him over. He's itching to get before a judge and bring these issues up, and the legal system is not prepared for the arguments yet. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/25/2005 1:31:08 AM | OOOOOHHHHHHHH don't tease me with this silly question........WHY BUSH...WWWHHHHHHHY NOT. well when they do i'm going to look like the girls in the plentyoffish ad on the top of the screen. except i'm a dude. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/25/2005 2:10:39 AM | | great point BuzWeaver - i hate to think of how much i'd have to pay for some crappy government grown weed...... | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/25/2005 2:13:07 AM | | lassiter, i've never known of anyone to die or waste away from smoking pot - but heard of some that died from cocaine or simply lost their life/livelihood | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/25/2005 4:29:35 AM |
I think all politicians should be tested. They make the laws why not test them. We make truck drivers submit to a list of tests but we don't make teachers who see your kids more than the average parent take a drug test. Kinda strange isn't it? It's really more about the companies that choose to do it and the fact that it's constitutional... | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/25/2005 8:33:31 AM | The only reason a company chooses to test employees is because the insurance companies force them to.
I think the one big reason people don't want it to be made legal is that you can't tell if someone is "high" or not. It's true that some people are different when high, but any seasoned pot smoker can do it anytime, anywhere, and you couldn't tell.
The worst drug on the market is alcohol. There has never been a drug that has caused more deaths, more family proplems, more divorces, child abuse, fights, general erratic behavior, etc. than alcohol. But yet not only is it legal but available anywhere. Then there are even states like VA that have completely monopolized the sales and profits of it.
I say legalize it. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/25/2005 8:43:40 AM | | LOL. No I just think that the legalization of pot is pretty much the least of our worries as compared to whats already legal. | |
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| Should marijuana be legalized....
Posted: 7/25/2005 8:48:06 AM | | I understand your point, and i think it would apply more if pot were already legal and there was a move to make it illegal. The wall you run up against now is that since it's the least of our worries, it's very unlikely that the effort will be taken to legalize it. If the law is currently even less than the least of our worries, it will likely not be changed. Garbled, but know what I mean? (<--last sentence is my weak attempt to excuse not going back to proofread! lol) | |
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