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Posted: 7/31/2005 1:45:32 PM | to whom is this addressed?
You're a bright guy; you know what he means, for god's sake!
I do not know what he mean if you are addressing me
otherwise I would not6 seek clarification | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 5:08:42 PM | rwhprism... I'm saying the canadian government should be enforcing canadian laws in canada, just like the american government should enforce american laws in america. I didnt think it was that complicated... even nitty gets that point...
 okay, I apologize to nitty for that one, it was a cheap shot... lol | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 5:55:51 PM | You're fun! nittanylion
let's do this again some time Giddy-up!
okay, I apologize to nitty for that one, it was a cheap shot... lol Thank you chronic. Last one?
I'm saying the canadian government should be enforcing canadian laws in canada, just like the american government should enforce american laws in america. I didnt think it was that complicated... even nitty gets that point... How about this. Before the next "cheap shot," go begin to understand the laws that apply here. If you're going to take issue with something, you should understand it first, instead of just nagging at those who do. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 6:15:07 PM | | How about stating what laws you think you're refering to? I certainly hope your not refering to the anti-drug treaty that america has been spreading since anslinger. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 6:34:47 PM | | Chronic, it is clear that you've not been reading my posts. Take a moment to realize that you and I have different bases of knowledge; I asked you about something I thought you'd know more about; it's odd for you to be cheeky about what I "think" I'm referring to. (not to mention the fact that I and several others have already answered that. Repeatedly.) If you want to choose to live in blissful ignorance, be my guest. Doesn't make for a very good or substantive conversation, though. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 6:43:40 PM | Maybe he did read them and just forgot. It has that effect. (that's my cheap shot) Sorry to drop out for a while. I had a deliverable tomorrow. Now then Mr. chronic will you please answer my questions concerning limits on acceptable contraband? I don't want to write them all out again. I addressed this issue to you initially. (You may have forgotten)
Listening was doing a good job of offering counterpoints while avoiding the limits issue. He is a worthy adversary. I'm sure you are as well but let's find out. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 6:44:27 PM | you see, once again, instead of just simply saying what you were refering to, you just go off into your own little world again. You've metnioned money laundering and laws regarding the web, both of which dont change the basic statemnt I made at the begining, he is a canadian, and he has operated his business on canadian soil. If he was laundering money than he is guilty of it in canada, not the states. The same laws that apply to the states regarding the web apply here (basically speaking), if he violated those laws, he did so in canada. If he is found guilty of selling products that are prohibited in canada he is guilty od those charges in canada. If he is guilty of selling products that are prohibited in the states to americans by means of the web or any other method (outside of him traveling to the states), then he is guilty of breaking canadian laws.
My point was never that he wasnt breaking any laws, it was that any laws in the states he breaks is irrelevant unless he is in the states while he does it. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 6:50:43 PM | careful there ct, nitty do have a tend-something or other to read his own meaning into stuff
(Tendency, that was / is/ am the word. My word programme just rebooted)
according to memory, and yesterdays *news* account the u.s. has
Muscled other governments to comply in matters of Yankee *national security issues*. I see Spain and Australia cited as sovereignties (snicker, snicker) also knuckling under to the worlds self anointed policemen.
Of course there then is the Noriega fiasco where hundreds if not thousands were slaughtered while Bush senior’s Panamanian dictator was arrested for coca importation, likely in conjunction with the Cocaine Importing Agency.
America! So complex, yet so simple. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 6:57:16 PM | careful there ct, nitty do have a tend-something or other to read his own meaning into stuff
(Tendency, that was / is/ am the word. My word programme just rebooted)
according to memory, and yesterdays *news* account the u.s. has
Muscled other governments to comply in matters of Yankee *national security issues*. I see Spain and Australia cited as sovereignties (snicker, snicker) also knuckling under to the worlds self anointed policemen.
Of course there then is the Noriega fiasco where hundreds if not thousands were slaughtered while Bush senior’s Panamanian dictator was arrested for coca importation, likely in conjunction with the Cocaine Importing Agency.
America! So complex, yet so simple.
DOUBLE DAMN Having puter probs pleas baer with me thank you
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Posted: 7/31/2005 7:05:53 PM |
The same laws that apply to the states regarding the web apply here (basically speaking), if he violated those laws, he did so in canada. Chronic, you are misinformed about such laws. Where he was (physically) when he violated those laws is not the be-all-end-all to the question. Instead of insulting me, perhaps you could humble yourself to go find out exactly how those laws work (if you'd like to invest the time to be informed on what you take issue with... and it will take some time.) I would share my knowledge of the situation, except that it appears you have zero respect for anything that I say, and the information would fall on deaf ears. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 7:11:18 PM | | Hey Nittany, imagine if Iran caught some Iranians using grey market satellite dishes who were watching "The L Word," and "Boy Meets Boy." They decided they wanted to prosecute the producers and actors of these shows for offences against Islam. Should the US hand them over? Extraterratorial enforcement of your laws is a HUGE part of this issue. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 7:23:38 PM | careful there ct, nitty do have a tend-something or other to read his own meaning into stuff
(Tendency, that was / is/ am the word. My word programme just rebooted)
according to memory, and yesterdays *news* account the u.s. has
Muscled other governments to comply in matters of Yankee *national security issues*. I see Spain and Australia cited as sovereignties (snicker, snicker) also knuckling under to the worlds self anointed policemen.
Of course there then is the Noriega fiasco where hundreds if not thousands were slaughtered while Bush senior’s Panamanian dictator was arrested for coca importation, likely in conjunction with the Cocaine Importing Agency.
America! So complex, yet so simple.
Maybe he did read them and just forgot. It has that effect. (that's my cheap shot) Sorry to drop out for a while. I had a deliverable tomorrow. Now then Mr. chronic will you please answer my questions concerning limits on acceptable contraband? I don't want to write them all out again. I addressed this issue to you initially. (You may have forgotten)
Thank you ! RDub.
“Listening was doing a good job of offering counterpoints while avoiding the limits issue. He is a worthy adversary. I'm sure you are as well but let's find out.”
The phrase “limits on acceptable contraband” was addressed. Perhaps not to your satisfaction (a common enough occurrence here I have observed)
I believe *contraband* is dealt with by several of your government agencies is it not?
There is customs and excise, the postal service, DEA and a host of alphabet soup group boys, all sanctioned to operate within your boarders.
So back on track here, I hope.
There have been cases here in Canada where the defendant, in defence of bad law in my opinion, has successfully used the Christian bible as a means of arguing and winning by pleading his side of the case.
I shant go into the actual pleadings (interesting word don’t you think? is *pleadings*?)
It is my contention the law prohibiting marijuana was enacted by the use of subterfuge and hoodwinkery. There are legal decisions so written under British Common Law, law that is the basis, foundation, of American jurisprudence also.
Marijuana laws need to be stricken for the law books based on the above.
It is not required to have the plant *made legal* | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 8:02:46 PM |
Hey Nittany, imagine if Iran caught some Iranians using grey market satellite dishes who were watching "The L Word," and "Boy Meets Boy." They decided they wanted to prosecute the producers and actors of these shows for offences against Islam. Should the US hand them over? Extraterratorial enforcement of your laws is a HUGE part of this issue. It's a little different, I believe, because of the use of the web and selling an illegal product in the US. It will certainly be interesting to see what happens; internet and related international law is constantly evolving, and the jurisdictional issues are complicated.
To be perfectly honest, I don't care about the guy who was arrested; I'm interested in the legal issues and in learning more about what is happening, and about what will happen, what position each gov't is taking, etc. Some people seem to take offense at this, seemingly because I'm not wrapping myself in hemp and smoking myself silly. Baffling, really. What the heck is wrong with acknowledging that the issue is more complex then the "the us is forcing its laws on us" syndrome? | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 8:15:07 PM | Well Chronic Tom I'll reiterate my question in a different way:
If someone was selling heroin, coke or kiddie porn in Canada via a website set up in Amsterdam or Madagascar- would you still be in favor of allowing them to operate on the grounds that it is not illegal in those countries?
You're saying you should leave them alone - is that correct? The Canadian government should not step in - except to arrest in their own country - no matter how henious.
Maybe he did read them and just forgot. It has that effect. (that's my cheap shot) Sorry to drop out for a while. I had a deliverable tomorrow. Now then Mr. chronic will you please answer my questions concerning limits on acceptable contraband? I don't want to write them all out again. I addressed this issue to you initially. (You may have forgotten)
Listening was doing a good job of offering counterpoints while avoiding the limits issue. He is a worthy adversary. I'm sure you are as well but let's find out.
I quoted them so I could answer directly from them. And no I wasnt ignoring you. lol and no I didnt forget, in fact I had thought I already replied to that, so I searched for my answer.
which was in msg #153...
rwhprism... I'm saying the canadian government should be enforcing canadian laws in canada, just like the american government should enforce american laws in america. I didnt think it was that complicated... even nitty gets that point...
okay, I apologize to nitty for that one, it was a cheap shot... lol
Unless of course yout talking about the question you addressed specifically to listening..
My challenge is to find a limit to these types of sales. If these are truely ok, what else is ok. How offensive does the sale have to be? I stretch it to narcotics and henious porn to emphasize that there are places where they are not illegal.
If that is the one you meant, and if it had been specifcally addressed to me I would have said...
There is no limit to the types of things that this is applicable to. If it happens in another country, then it is the jurisdiction of that country. No other country has the right to demand that they change it. The might have the strength of arms or other clout that allows them to, but it is never right. If it ever does become 'right' I would hope that issues like murder, rapes, molestations, abductions, torture, slavery and genocide were among the more impotant ones that would be addressed.
I personally think it would be better to have a unified government and law across the globe, unfortunately the way humans are this will be a long time coming. But as long as we are maintaining the illusion of sovereignty amonst nations, then no other nation should be invading its borders, wether this is physical, political, or criminal. The government is supposed to be a representation of the people. Well the people in the states and the people in canada are two very distinct people, we are similar in a lot of ways, but not the same. This is reflected in our political and legal systems. For Canadian Police forces to be acting upon the behalf of American forces to arrest a Canadian for things he has done only on Canadian soil is allowing the principals and values of american citizens dictate canadian lives. This is not to say that he shouldn't be charged and tried, just by canadians for breaking the laws of Canada, not by americans. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 9:01:38 PM | Some of us in Canada are reeling at the Mac Emery Raid as there are issues of sovereignty at stake
The issue is being addressed on http://www.vivelecanada.ca/
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I'm rather surprised that with all these comments, nobody has yet raised the issue of the right of Canadians to their privacy. All the information seized from Marc Emery's business contains confidential information about Canadians who had business dealings (whether as a customer, supplier, employee, or even an employment application) with Marc's company. Most of these records have nothing to do with any criminal prosecution and the people in question are therefore covered under the privacy legislation of Canada and of BC. If those records are transferred to the US (in the event of an extradition, but that's another story) they will become subject to analysis by ANY concerned government agency under the Patriot Act. If Canada hands over those records, our PM is breaking the laws of our nation and should be arrested and charged for it (preferably here in Canada). UNQUOTE
Of course none of this could happen with out the sell out judiciary | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 9:29:23 PM | All drugs should be legalized, however marijuana should be the only drug sold at shops.
The war on drugs is useless. Anyone who wants any drug can get it and will always be able to do so. People do not obstain from doing illegal drugs simply because they are illegal, if anything it attracks some who would otherwise not do that drug but do it to rebel. Not to mention that drug dealers don't ask for i.d.
So it's better to spend the money on other things, such as rehab clinics, education or other unrelated things such as health care.
I should also mention the fact that a lot more harm each year is done by legal drugs then by the illegal ones. As far as legalizing marjiuana, its a non issue to me. I'll just mention that no one has ever died from marijuana. Many have died from alcohol, tobacco, and a lot the "legal" drugs-we live in a hypocracy, it's all about the money.
The government made marijuana illegal because it cares for your health. That's why it cares so much about what we eat, about the "legal" drugs we take, about our health care system, and especially about our environment.
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Posted: 7/31/2005 9:41:22 PM | I agree completely keyserSoze... There would be a huge econimic boom in the country if they would. All the controls are already in place with alchohol. They should be treated the saem way, subject to all the same regulations.
First, there would be the revenue from taxes on them.
Then there would be the savings from the law enforcement, although instead of saving money they would be better off converting the staff and resources over to the unsolved murders and abductions and missing kids. There would also be a lot of new positions opening up in the customs area, specifically beefing up border security to ensure that the states were happy that people werent bringing drugs into their country (well happier than they are now anyway).
There would be revenue from a whole new income stream.
New economic growth would result from a new set of legal industries opening up.
There would be new jobs literally created, instead of just being shifted from one industry to another.
Farmers would have a whole new set of crops to cultivate, less competition for wheat farmers and such crops would increase their profits, while we know the farmers converting over to growing resources for the newly legalized drugs.
New areas of research and development would open up.
A portion of the new revenue could be put into increased education and health services.
And likely one of the biggest factors that would make this a good thing would be the increased tourism from around the world, most specifically the states... Cross border trips to spend the day getting legally fried would just translate into billions US dollars flowing into Canada.
Any negative effects outside of the american reaction itself are already happening now, just with the benefits going solely to criminals and the politicians that they pay off, oh yeah and to the lawyers and their crowd. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 10:00:03 PM | ^
Unfortunately american reaction is a big part of it. The US war on drugs has crossed over to the Canadian boarder and our government is allowing the deterioration of Canadian sovereignty.
Last friday the US (DEA probably) got the Canadian police to rade a marijuana seeds store in Vancouver and are trying to extradite our biggest pot activist Marc Emery as well as his gang.
Just to make it clear, the marijuana store among others sells seeds over the counter with no objection by the Vancouver police. There are also marijuana coffeshops near by where you can smoke (but not buy, you can buy outside from dealers who do not get arrested).
What I don't understand is if marijuana is tolerated in Vancouver, then why doesn't the US pull this sort of shit in Holland where marijuana is also illegal but tolerated?
Our Canadian government officals are either puppets or have no balls.
Also, I bet the reason why medical marijuana is not legal in the US-which is simply a violation of human rights since everyone has a right not to suffer needlessly-is because the "legal" drug companies are lobbing against it. After all, if medical marijuana is legal then patients can grow it themselves and the drug companies won't make any money. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 10:18:12 PM | Annual Causes of Death in the United States (sorry, could not find a Canadian version)
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0
Source: Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298.) | |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 11:43:40 PM | | KeyserSoze in this thread, Msg: 112 is a link to another thread about Mark Emery of Emery seeds getting arrested and his store being raided. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 12:15:22 AM | Why don't you check some medical facts about this drug?
If you want the brain of a monkey and severe mental illness, go ahead and smoke it. Smoking..is a really dumb thing to do, in any form. | |
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