ousu
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Joined: 6/2/2005
Msg: 76 | |
| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/19/2006 3:50:46 PM | Widow, need to go to sleep now, will reply better tomorrow but the others might "shoot you" for this:
Everything is so surgical that a building can be destroyed and for the most part the next door neighbor is relatively unscathed. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/19/2006 7:26:57 PM | | Alas dear Ousu, thou hast a keenly learned mind! However, I didn't say everything was perfect by any calculation! In war people die, sadly non-combatants die. I'm simply making an historical comparison. But if it were not for Radical Islam, we would not be there at all. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/19/2006 7:36:19 PM |
But if it were not for Radical Islam, we would not be there at all.
Oh? Then what are we doing in more than 100 other nations then?
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/19/2006 7:45:46 PM | Ah, for the good ole days of isolationism before WWII.
What are we doing in more than 100 other nations?... maybe those people are Mormons, Scientogists and Jehovah's Witnesses on missions... Now THOSE guys are on a religious Jihad to convert EVERYONE.
(hmm, come to think of it, that would be a great cover for CIA operatives.)
Negative perceptions, yeah, I have them.
This religion cut the balls off of Cat Stevens and turned him from singing about a "Moonshadow"....to a Mullah Shadow.
Grrrrrrr.
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/19/2006 9:33:14 PM |
Oh? Then what are we doing in more than 100 other nations then?
Upholdingf our end of various allaicnes, fighting terrorism, fighting drugs, peace keeping, disaster releif, trianing we have a lot of wood in the fire world wide. By=ut Ya I'm sure everywhere we go it's for Bush's evil plan to become king of the world.
You know WolrdCitizen/Anticon as hte days go by you get even mor eand more out there. You might wanna consider touching base with relaity. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/19/2006 10:01:22 PM | | Well, AntIcon, everyone is everywhere. Or is it that you just hate Americans and think we should stay within the borders of our own country? I hope you have a better discussion point besides this finite yacking about what we are doing in more than 100 nations...... This is just boringly dumb. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/13/2006 1:34:53 PM | Negative perceptions of Islam increasing wonder why? It's kinda fortunate actually. As I have said before, with their prophets, Muhammed, sleeping with a virgin 9 years old girl( don't tell me that fool was not sick in the head), beheading thousands of innocents, and having had more than 23 wives, I don't expect more than this from "religion of peace"'s followers either. so why is the negative perception of islam icreasing? because people are getting more and more enlightened everyday. If "muhammed" was alive in N.A now, the only place he would possibly be was in "PRISON". | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/13/2006 2:29:34 PM | It really is sad, not only how Islam is being associated with terrorism, but especially that the government has choosen to promote the lie.
The basis of any terrorist agenda is political not religious. The failure recognize this truth has presented a number of problem in the so-called war on terror; namely that defining the enemy and the goals of the war.
Extremists elements within various political struggles can never be elminated, only isolated by addressing the real and precieved problems and injustices.
Personally I think Palistine would be a great place to start. | |
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ousu
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Joined: 6/2/2005
Msg: 84 | |
| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/13/2006 3:39:36 PM |
This expansion was doubtless in response to Mohammed's words of aggression in the Quran.
The Crusades were surely a response to this aggression.
In fact the Christians in the area of Constantinople had better position than non-Christians. The crusades were started using gossips that Christians were mistreated. The crusades were started purely for political and economical reasons by Roman Catholic church. | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
Msg: 85 | |
| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/13/2006 3:41:48 PM |
It really is sad, not only how Islam is being associated with terrorism, but especially that the government has choosen to promote the lie.
Funny how it looks exactly the same on both sides, the USA, which is more of a theocracy than anything is attempting to export so called democracy with bombs under the thinly veiled lie of fighting terrorism, being mostly an enemy they invented for their own purpose.
Out of all the nations in the world, it's easy to see which is the most aggressive, driven by hate and ignorance and is doing the most damage.
And its not the east, by any stretch of the imagination. | |
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bobby7
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Joined: 3/22/2006
Msg: 86 | |
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bobby7
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Joined: 3/22/2006
Msg: 87 | |
| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/13/2006 7:39:39 PM | OK, Enough of this sniping, PBH.. It is small on my part..
Consider.. Bush said.. "WMDs?... Yep!.. Iraq's Got 'EM"... NOT TRUE
Bush said.."AL Queada?..."Yep! Iraq's Got ''Em" ............ NOT TRUE
Bush said.."Imminent danger?... Yep! Iraq is"..................NOT TRUE
Cheney said..."Yellow Cake"..Yep! Iraq's buying it"...........NOT TRUE
They both said.."UN, Who Needs 'em? (That's why allies are not 'stepping up to the plate')
Allies said...Good bye"...
GET IT??? | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/14/2006 8:30:51 AM | | Considering that Bush is a Christian, it is safe to say that Christianity is breeding as much violence as Islam is around the world. Although we are the ones controlling people's oil and resources overseas. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2006 9:07:22 AM | so the U.S is a theocracy now? just more anti bush drivel.
as far as muslims being looked at in negative terms. forget about the muslims being encouraged to strap on bombs and blow up civilianin isreal. forget about muslims using planes as missles to kill thousands of civilians in the air and the ground. forget about the muslims who kill other muslims because they're not as devout as they should be. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/14/2006 9:20:18 AM | ohmygoowoodness!!!
I'd have to say negative perceptions of Christianity have increased since the US gave Saddam WMDs, created phony sattelite photos as an excuse to start the gulf war and lied as an excuse to invade Iraq, let alone supported the Khmer Rouge while they murdered over a million Cambodians and killed 2 or 3 million southeast asians in "collateral damages" while bombing the hell out of the land over there to kill 1 million soldiers.
lot of negative perceptions these days, huh?
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Posted: 7/14/2006 9:46:58 AM | The major difference is the teaching that no one is assured they will get to heaven from the Quran teachings..........unless you die (blow yourself up) for your cause.....then you are assured. I don't think their commitment was taken into consderation when the US decided to take them on in battle. .
twobits45:
Please provide the reference from the Qur'an
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To all of you whom claim to know that the Qur'an is just a book full of hate, advocates murder of innocents, degradation of women, etc, etc....please post where the Qur'an says this in no uncertain terms....
Go ahead....I dare you....
You can't....
To quote Mr. Burns, of The Simpson's....
"Nothing but a bunch of slack-jawed lackys" | |
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Posted: 7/14/2006 11:19:31 AM | I would like to off my support for Dartguys fine observations.
As to Backworduck....(is it duck...or uck?) Like most liberals.... you are all over the place! And nowhere, at the same time.
Look.... Quit with all the nonsensical attempts at analogies with serial killers and guns and the personal attacks on dartguy for not "personally" protesting all the wrongs in the world!!! Its ridiculous and you know it.
None of us are expecting to see every damn Muslim in the world Personally jumping around and protesting the atrocious acts of violence and terrorism being carried out in the name of Islam...(although that would be nice, wouldn't it)... but we Do expect the leaders of that faith to be doing so!! Consistently and very visibly!!! If any of you are seeing that...Please let me know what planet that is on!! It certainly isn't on this one!
You know.... before the escalating terrorist activities of the 90s...culminating in the big one...9-11, I had a favorable concept of Islam. I saw it as perhaps even favorable to christianity, cause I Knew what kind of history that religion has allready. At any rate, I saw it as just another of the worlds great faiths with nothing to fear or abhore. But I sure don't see it that way anymore! Now you can say its because i'm a narrow minded biggot...or a hate monger... or a propogandist...or whatever else the looney left likes to come up with...all you want. But, I know it is Only because of what the Islamic world has consistently shown themselves to be thru their "behaviors'! And I include the blatent Silence in the Islamic world about all this behavior as part of it!!! Duh! Wake up! Smell the roses! Or is it, the gun powder? | |
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Posted: 7/14/2006 11:41:42 AM | Considering that Bush is a Christian, it is safe to say that Christianity is breeding as much violence as Islam is around the world. Although we are the ones controlling people's oil and resources overseas. Listen muslim buddy! It kinda fascinates me how you defend islam in every thread and you say "Other Religion" in your profile. most muslims are now afraid to say they are muslims and they try to defend it at the very same time.anyways, It was not bush who initiated this ridiculous war by crashing those planes to the twin towers and killing thousands of innocents by the name of "JEHAD", and yes I do know exactly that's what jehad is, so don't tell me no. that's what muhammed initiated in his presence is medina and mekka( where he couldn't stay for a long time).
Qur’an 8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
that's just one of million examples I can provide from this "holy book". | |
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rks58
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Joined: 1/28/2006
Msg: 97 | |
| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/14/2006 12:00:47 PM |
but we Do expect the leaders of that faith to be doing so!! Consistently and very visibly!!! If any of you are seeing that...Please let me know what planet that is on!! It certainly isn't on this one!
Well, that certainly is the case around this part of the world. Reaction of the Muslim community and its' leaders is consistently and visibly anti-terrorist.
I imagine you will find the same reaction from the vast majority of Muslim communities and leaders in the US if you would open your eyes and look.
If you actually took the time to look you would find that the number of Muslim leaders preaching jihad world-wide is a very miniscule minority, kind of on par with hateful Christian community leaders.
None of us are expecting to see every damn Muslim in the world Personally jumping around and protesting the atrocious acts of violence and terrorism being carried out in the name of Islam...(although that would be nice, wouldn't it)
Try this one on for size
'Devout Muslim' informer aided in Toronto conspiracy arrests
Last Updated Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23.56.25 EDT
CBC News
A paid police informant who calls himself "an observant Muslim" infiltrated a group of men and youths arrested last month and charged with plotting to carry out bomb attacks and kidnappings around southern Ontario, CBC News has learned.
Mubin Shaikh spoke exclusively to Linden McIntyre of CBC's The Fifth Estate. (CBC) Mubin Shaikh spoke exclusively to Linden McIntyre of CBC's The Fifth Estate. (CBC)
The informant, who spoke to Linden McIntyre of CBC's The Fifth Estate, is 29-year-old Mubin Shaikh, a prominent member of Toronto's Indo-Canadian Muslim community. He was born in Canada to immigrant parents.
Press reports say Shaikh will testify at the trials of the 12 men and five youths who have been charged in the case. They were arrested in early June.
Bail hearings for the accused have been taking place in a court in Brampton, Ont., just west of Toronto. Police say members of the group bought large quantities of fertilizer to make explosives and planned a series of attacks in Ontario because they were angry about the plight of Muslims in other countries.
Shaikh told CBC News that he had worked undercover for the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service and the police for more than two years, much of that time with the suspects in the alleged bomb plots.
Shaikh, a former army cadet and Canadian Armed Forces reservist, describes the suspects as "fruitcakes...with the capacity to do some real damage."
He said what he heard about the plans by the group was similar to what police and prosecutors have alleged, that there were plans to kidnap prominent Canadians and bomb such targets as the Toronto Stock Exchange and the CBC building in Toronto.
He said he was moved to become an informer by concerns about the impact of the plot on all Canadians and particularly on the country's Muslim community.
"My interests were about Islam and Muslims, even and above Canada," he said.
Shaikh said he consulted the Qur'an and senior Muslim religious leaders before going undercover and becoming an informer.
"God says in the Qur'an that we must value one life," he said, "I was guided, I had my licence."
Shaikh has declined formal protection as a court witness after consulting a lawyer, saying he was working for the safety of Canadians and Muslims, not for the police.
Defence lawyers for the 17 accused say the government's case has many flaws and questions are already being raised about the role of informers.
"It's going to depend on the disclosure and what role the operative played," defence lawyer and legal activist Paul Copeland told the Toronto Star.
All in the name of Allah and the words of the Prophet (PBOH)
I think you will find this is not unusual, if you would open your eyes and look. | |
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lira
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Joined: 6/8/2006
Msg: 98 | |
| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/14/2006 2:07:13 PM | | I dont think muslims are bad people. I think maybe there is a group of people who use the Quran as an excuse to do evil.I am sure if I look in the Bible, I could find an excuse to do harm. I have met a few muslims and I have not seen them acting or speaking hostile, or displaying any kind of "hate" towards anyone. Another thing A muslum told me is "Allah" is the islamic word for "God", saying muslims and christians have the same God. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 7/14/2006 4:09:29 PM | Bobby, so if the allies are angry about bush attacking iraq because of WMD(which you say bush lied about), why didn't the allies get mad at Clinton for attacking iraq in 1998 due to WMD? I guess Clinton was lying about WMD being there too? Maybe they got mad because most of the allies were led by liberal governments, and when the U.S. has a liberal president, they love us, even when we launch attacks on other nations because of a lie(Clinton attacking iraq in 1998 because he said Saddam had WMD). When we have a conservative president, the liberal allies don't like it and look for an excuse to back away until we get a liberal back in office.  | |
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